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Contents of Vol. 4. 

No. 1. Pa 

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Letter from David W. Patman, 


Thomas Paxion, 


Wm. H. Cook. 


Alfred Ellis, 

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Farewell, by M. Bennett, 

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by Publisher, 

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Letter fr 

om Joshua Lawrence, 


Prospectus, of Primitive Baptist, 



by Joshua Lawrence, 


Letter from Vachal D. Whatley, 


Matthew D. Holsonbake, 


Wm. S. Smith, 


John Herrington, 


Josiah Harris, 


James Alderman, 


Henry Randolph, 


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French Haggard, 


No. 2. 

Letter from A. Kenton, 


Joshua Lawrence, 


S. I. Chandler, 


John Clark, 

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Anthony Holloway, 


William Croom, 


Wm. H. Cook, 


T, J. Bazemore, 


John Yournans, 


Hiram Hundley, 


Jonathan Neel, 


E. McDonald, 


William Trice, 


Henry Barron, 


Josiah Gresham, 


William Howei, 


John Wayne, 



No. 3. 

Letter from Daniel Gafford, 


William D. Taylor, 


Ira E. Douthit, 


Benjamin May, 


Jno. Bonds, 


Joshua Lawrence, 


Jos. Biggs, Senr. 


James Southerland, 


Rudolph Rorer, 


Anthony Holloway, 



VachafD. Whatley, 



James Gray, 



Pleasant A. Witt, 



Prury Leat, 





Letter from Daniel O'Neel 

No. 4 
Letter from VVm. Trice, 
*tfames Hay, 
T. J. Bazemore, 
R. B. Mann, 
Elijah Hansbrough, 
Joshua Lawrence, 
William Howard, 
J. Lamb, 
Michael Branson, 
Joel Ferguson, 
S. W. Harris, 
No. 5. 

Letter from E. 0. Hawthorn, 
P. H. Edwards, 
William Melton, 
Vachal D. Whatley, 
John McQueen, 
Robert Bnrk, 
Rudolph Rorer, 
George W. McNeely, 
Circular Letter to 0. S. Baptists, by 

Joshua Lawrence, 
Letter from John C. Gallaway, 
Wilson Davenport, 
Anthony Holloway, 
Alex. Watson, 
Jonathan Neel, 
No. 6. 
Letter from Vachal D. Whatley, 
Extract from the Minutes of the Towali- 
ga Primitive Baptist Association, Ga. 82 


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Letter from Wm. S. Smith, 

James F. Watson, 
Edmund Dumas, 
Thomas Hill, 
Joshua Lawrence, 
Alfred Ellis, 
Sebastian Cabot Powell, 
Jas. H. Sasser, 
Rudolph Rorer, 
Jas. Burris, Sen'r. 
Henry Barron, 
James P. Ellis, 
William Crutcher, 
Adam McCreary, 
Wm. Huddleston, 
David Callaway, 
Clemmonds Saunders, 
James M. Rockamore, 








Page 95 


Letter from S. J. Sloan, 

No. 7. 
Letter from Daniel GafFord, 
Circular Address, by L. Haynie, 

Letter from Harriet C. Peacock, 100 

French Haggard, 103 
Ittj} Thos. C. Norvell and 

Wm. i\l. Bee, 104 

B. Woodelh 105 

Hardin Nance, ^. ',,. 

Levi Lee, ,, 

Anlhony Holloway, 105 

IVlichael Burkhalter, ,, 

John Wayne, 107 

Benjamin Lloyd, x , 

David W. Patman, 10y 

James Alderman, „ 

Thomas C. Trice, ,, 

Asa Newport, 110 

John Lacy, ,, 

Joel Harvey, „ 

Josiah Gresham, 111 

James D. Williams, „ 

. Daniel 0/ Neel, „ 
No. 8. 

Letter from Thomas Paxton, 113 

Benjamin May, IIS 

Joshua Lawrence, 121 

William Burns, 122 
William S. Shaw,, « 123 

Abednego McGinty, 124 

Jesse Lee, 126 

John W. Turner, 127 

Allen Kniglii, ,, 

Frances Dewitt, ,, 

James Alderman, „ 
No. 9. 

Letter from John B. Moses,' 129 

R. S. Hamrick, 131 

Rudolph Rorer, „ 
Circular Lelter by Crispin Dickinson, 132 

Letter from William Moseley, . 137 

Jonathan H. Parker, 133 

Levi Lee, 140 

James F. Watson, 141 

Wm. S. Smith, N ,, 

David Treadwell, 142 

Wm Bowden, ,, 

Wm. J. Roberts, 143 

Edmund Stewart, ,, 

Evan R. Harris, ,, 
No. 10. 

Letter from A. Keaton, 145 

Edmund Dumas, 148 

Matthew Capps, 150 
M. W. Sellers, 

Israel Ilendon, 151 


Letter from! Wilson Davenport, Page lai 

James Mays, 153 

William Moseley, 153 

Frederic Ross, 1 54 
James F. Watson, - ,, 

Rudolph Rorer, 155 
C. T. Sawyer, . 156- 

John Ln$selter, ■ \ 

James W. Capps, 157 

Ira E. Douthit, 153 
Thomas Amis, 
Benjamin Llovd, 
Circular of the Columbus Association, 

Letter from Rjufus Daniel, 159 

R. S. Hamrick, ,, 
David Treadwell, 
. ... No. 11. 

Letter from Va.-hal D. Whatley, 16.1 

Nathan Morris, ' 168 

Henry Randolph, ] 69 

David Smith, . 170 

Samuel C. Johnson, 171 

Edward Jones, 172 

B, Lawrence, 173 

James Alderman, ,, 

Vyilliam Crulcher, 174 

William I lawthorn, ,, 

G. W. Jeter, „ . 

Daniel O'Neel, 175 

Graddv Herring, „ 
P. M. Calhoun/ 
No. 12., . 
Letter from James P. Ellis, . 177 
Circular Lctlei ofth • Bethel Association 178 . 

Letter from Cynthia Whatley, ISO 

Rudolph Rorer, 1S2 

Demcey Burgess, \s\ 

R. W. Carlisle, „ : 

Isaac Tillery, 1S5 

William Moseley, , y 

James S. Kirkland, 186 
Hiram Hundley, 

William H. Cook, 1S7 

John Thomas, 1S8 

Charles Hodges, ,, 

P. H. Edwards, 190 

John W. Turner,- ,, 

Aaron Tison, ,, 

. Moses- H. Deuman, ,, 

Levi B. Hunt, 191 
No. 13. 

Letter from Henry Harrison, 192 

Vachal D. Whatley, 195 

Samuel Moore, 198 

Rudolph Rorer, „ 
Matthew D. Holsonbake, 199 

David Johnston, 200 

Anthony Holloway, 201' 



Letter from Isaac Tillery, 

'■ ■' David W. Patman, 

Jesse Lee, 


Elliott Thomas, 
■ Josiah Daniel, 

Joel Hi Chambless, 

David Smiih, 

William Hendrickson, 

Jos. H. Eanes, • 

James P. Ellis, 

William W. Walker. 

Isaac Stricklin, 

No. 14. 
Letter froirf.Thpmas Poxton, 
! • Rudolph Rorer,. 

Levi Lee, 


iason Creer, 

A. Kcalon, 
Circular Lctter'of the Pilgrim's R«e4 

Association, ! 
Letter from Ransom Hamilton, 

William MeEIvy, 

Moses H. "Den man, 

William W. Walker, 

Simpson Parks, 

James" P. Ellis 
No. 15. 
Letter from James Hollingsworth, 
A short Narrative, by Benj. Bynum, 
Letter from John W. Turner, 
I Andrew Westmoreland, 

Wilson Davenport, 

James Grumbles, 

Levi Lee, 

Thos. Couch, 

Isaac Tillery, 

Peter Saltzman, 

L. "Morris's, 


E. -Thomas, 

Benj. E. Morris, 

James P. Ellis, 

Samuel F. Owen, 

Allen Rowe, 

S. W. Harris, 

Rowell Reese, 

Win. % Villard, Sen'r. 

Jno McCorquodale, 

George Herndon, 
No. 16. 
Letter from Nathaniel W. Walker, 
I Rudolph Rorer, 

VachaLD. Whailey, 

John M. Pearson, 

William Mostley, 

Page 201 
























Letier from John Hardie, Page 251 

Luke Haynie, 

Charles Hodges, 

Ira E. Douthit, 

Levi Lee, 
No. 17. 
Letter from E. 0. Hawthorn, . 

Simpson Parks, 
Circular Letter of the Primitive Bap 

tist Association, Mississippi, 
Letter from Isaac Tillery, 

John W. Turner, 

Vanhal D. Whatiey, 

W. J. Sorelle, 

Peter Bankston, 

Garrot Mai hews 

E. A. Meaders, 
No. 18. 

Letter from Wm. Moseley, 

Kinchin Strickland, 

Isaac Tillery, 
The Correspondent, 
Letter from Elijah R. Berry, 

Edmund Beemarj, 

William Burns, 

Abednego McGinty, 
Minutes of a Convention held in Hen 

ry county, Ala, 
Letter from Rudolph Rorer, 

Demsey Bennett, 

Joshua S. Vann, 

Samuel Clay, 
Nc. 19. 
Letter from Benjamin Lloyd, 

Vachal D. Whailey, 

Henry Williams, 

Benj. E. Morris, 

Joseph Hughes, 

Jas. H. Sa'sser, 

Daniel O'Neel, 

Jeremiah McKay, 

R. B. Mann, 

William McEIvy, 

F. Pickett, 
Hazael Littlefield, 

No. 20. 
Letter from Thos. C. Trice, 
James F. Watson, 
Edmund Dumas, 
David Smith, 
Churches in Buncombe, 
French Hagg.rd, 
David Johnston, 
James Hollingsworth,, 
E. 0. Hawthorn, 
Demcey Burgess, 
Stephen Casldlow, 











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No. 81. Page. 

Circular Letter of the Kehukee Asso- 
ciation, 321 

Biographical Sketch of Elder Luke 
Ward, ' 323 

Letlerfrom John Lassetter, 324 

Arihur W." Eanes,- 326 

Wm. H. Maynor, 327 

R. B. Mann, 32S 

John W. Pellum, 339 

John Murray, ., 

Smith Hanshrough, 3J0 

L. R. Simmons, ,, 

Chas. Hodges, 331 

Ire E. Douthit, „ 

Willie J. Sorelle, „ 

Joshua S. Vann, 333 

John Gay en, 335 

William Trice, ,, 

No. 22. 

Circular Letter of the Contentnea As- 

Letter from Rudolph Rorer, 
R. Hamilton, 
Prior Lewis, 
Bartlett Estes, 
J. Lankfbrd, 
Jno. Timmons, 
Allen Rovve, 
James S. Morgan, 
Levi B. Hunt, 
Nathaniel Bradford, 






No. 23". Faga 

Letter from Matthew D. Holsonbake, 353 
Elias Daniel, 
John Wayne, 
Josiah Gresham, 
Isaac Tillery, 
Levi Lep, 
Wilinm Thomas,' 
E. 0. Hawthorn, 
Circular Letter of tiie Ocklocknee As- 
Letter from John W. White, 
Henrv Randolph, 






Samuel T. Owen, 
P. M.Calhoun, 
Jno. Bonds, 

E. A. Meaders, 
John Harrell, 
B. P. Rouse, 
A. D. Cooper,- 
Ezra McCrary, 
Marshal McGraw, 

F. Pickett, 

R. S. Hamrick, 
No. 24. 
Lctterfrom A. Keaton, 
Isaac Tillery, 
Kemuel C. Gilbert, 
Edmund Beeman, 
















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monied institutions, and the remedy iney 
think could be ipprjed would be no doubt 
to (Juit opposing their schemes ind plans 
and go with them, even at the expense of 
leaving the plain revealed word of God, to 
the wounding of our own souls and de- 
struction of our peace. Surely this would 
he a remedy that no child of God would 
Othat the Lord would give 

Lexington, Oglethorpe Coimty, Ga. ^ 
October 20///, 1S3S $ 
Dear brother Bennett : 1 ag'iin send j wish to take 
you a few lines, in which 1 design noticing them and all others concerned in the trou- 
some remarks of the Editors of the Chris-ibles of these perilous times this prayer, 
lian Tndex, relative to'a shdM letter of mine' "Lord, is it I?" Have I by turning from 
in -he Primitive, 3rd vol. 7th No. page the simplicity ofthe gospel to some new or 
104: transcribed in die [nd*jc, 6th vol. 22d ' strange course not authorized therein, been 
No. commencing on page 34°. helping to bring so much distress on thy 

In he first place, they speak well of my Zion? and if so, do thou be pleased to ap- 
des :e to write in the spirit of the gospel ply thy powerful grace, which is the only 
6f Christ, and sav they truly wish I and sure remedy and which can make the most 
all concerned in the troubles of these days, idolatrous rebel willing to abide in the 
if were and always would be actuated by simplicity of the Lord's gospel, 
the spirit." This "would be" of theirs tn the next place, thev proceed thus: 
seems to me more like Arminianism than "Paul's prophecy of an evil day is truly to 
Paul's saying, where he said, "For the be d< precated by all good men" — (none 
good that I would I do not, but the evil good but one, that is, God,) — "for in that 
which I would not, that I do." But, dear ; evil day will sound ministers be denounc- 
brether, Arminianism has become very'ed,- merely because they preach the simple 
prevalent with the missionaries of the pres- j truths and requirements of the Bihle; and 
ent ctev I am sure, according to the word-, only such he patronized as please, the fan- 
6f truifc, every true believer in Christ has cies and tickle the ears of their admirers by 
his spirit; but we have reason to believe j their fictions or cunningly devised fa- 
they are not always actuated by it, as might bles." 

have been mv case on that occasion; but,! Now, brother Bennett, if the time has" 
nevertheless, I would pray that I could be. j arrived when these evil days should come, 
In the next place, they observe, (speak- j it certainly is vain to pray deliverance from 
ing of my object in writing to give someithose days; but I think it very important 
of my feelings and views, relative to the to pray deliverance from the evil of turn-- 
causes of the distress now in the churches,) | ing away our ears from the truth, and being 
"that it would be truly a good work to find [turned unto fables or falsehood. And it 
out the causes and apply the remedy" — all | seems from the course the} pursue in wri- 
in our power and at our command, accord- ting, their opinion is that we havedenounc 
ing to their view; witch ijo doubt is their 

feelings on ihe subject, supposiugthe cause; 
to be in us for opposing them and then 

ed souiin ministers for preaching the sim- 
ple truths and requirements of the Bible; 
but it does not apply to the Old School 



Baptists, fori am sure lean confidently [ carrying on sehemes and plans which hi 

sav, they never have denounced or refused 
any preacher for preaching simply Jesus 
Christ and him crucified; but on the con- 
trary, it has been for not prearhing the 
gospel and teaching for doctrine the cbta- 
mandments of men. This is why some 
of the Old Sdhoof Baptists have go-he so 

has given no account of in his blessed 

The gospel then is good news and glad" 
tidings of gieat joy to the dear children of 
God who are saved by free grace oni\ ,;>nd 
its requirements do not consist in sacrifices' 
of money in support of new and unsenp- 

far in a discharge of their duty, as to elose I tural institutions, only tending to increased 
even their doors against certain men that i selfishness and pride in all manner of show 
they knew did not preach the gospel in ittfj among men, &c, bat to den\ sell, take up 
simplicity and purity. 2d epistle of John,' the cross and follow Jesus its author in that 
9th and 10th verses: "Whosoever trans- ' strait and narrow way which the New Tes- 
gresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of] lament authorizes, and is ah". a\ s- contrary to' 
Christ, hath not God; he that abideth in selfishness and pride, and is' well- calculated 
the doctrine of Christ he hath both the : lo mortify and put them down, -with every 

Father and the Son." 

10th. "If there come any unto you and 
bring not this doctrine, receive him not 
into your house, neither bid him God 
speed." So you see we have not closed 
our doors against mm who preach money 
and be^forii to establish institutions which 
the Bible never speaks of, only in opposi- 
tion to them or others like them, without 
authority from his word; but we have done 
in that case ishe has commanded. And as 
to patronizing such as please the fancies 

other high thing- abiding: in the wicked 
hearts ol proud- men. 

In the next place, they confess they have 
not acumen (or quickness of intellect) 
enough to see any likeness in praising men 
for contributions and exhorting others to 
da likewise, from their example and the- 
Apostlcs' predictioivand' endeavor to jus- 
tify themselves in that course from the cir- 
cumstance of I'aul's- having exhorted the' 
church at Corinth to eon tribute liberall) by 
the example of the churches of Macedonia, 

and tickle the ears of men bv fictions or i and also Paul's boasting of their forward 

cunningly devised fables, I verily believe 
it is applicable to them with their new in- 
ventions of theological schools and grand 
conventions, Src. which are not founded on 
scripture but only on money, and are well 
calculated to please and increase the pride 
of their admirers, (the wordly wise,) who 
have ever been the worst opposers of the 
gospel of Christ. Because the gospel is a 
power made manifest in weakness, not by 
might nor power of men, hut of the spirit 
of the Lord through weak and ignorant 
means, seeing he hath chosen the weak 
things of the world to confound the migh- 

And now I would ask the Editors of the 
Index, if they think their missionary ser- 
mons, (as they call them,) in which little 
else is heard but money and complaints 
against the children of God for not paying 
more of it in support of schemes invented 
of men, are the gospel of Christ in its sim- 
plicity? if they are, the gospel is not what 
it used to be But I have thought and yet 
think, it is like its author, that is, it under- 
goes no change but is the same now it ever 
has been, and goes now, like it ever has, 
through persecution, contrary to the expec- 
taiion of men calling themselves wise 
enough to help the Lord, by establishing and 

ness and zeal to them of Macedonia and 
Achaia, as having provoked very many;- 
and i hey conclude, il I meant their prais- 
ing and exhorting men from the example 
of oi tiers were turning to fables, il left 
Paul in the same condemnation. But I 
cannot think so, foi* Paul's' object is one 
thing and theirs another, lor in 2o Cor. 8ih 
chapter and some of the first verses, he is 
exhorting to liberality to the neeessiues of 
the poor saints at Jciusalem, by the exam- 
ple of them of Macedonia. Head th • 25ih, 
26th ami 27th verses of the 15th chapter of 
Paul's letter to the Romans, where he tells 
them he is going to Jerusalem to mistister 
to the necessities of tire p>or sain#, as it 
had pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia 
to make up a certain contribution for tnehi, 
which was tneir duty as they had received 
of them, (meaning them at Jerusalem) — 
spiritual things, to administer to iheir ne- 
cessities of their- carnal things* Now 1 
think the spiritual things Macedonia and 
Achaia had received, was the gospel which 
went from Jerusalem and wus borne of 
such men as God had called and qualified, 
without theological schools or contribu- 
tions of money enhcr to influence them to 
go; but necessity was laid upon them and 
they went through persecutions, and wer-*-. 


glad too they were counted worthy to suffer 
for Christ's sake. 

So you see, brother Bennett, the great- 
est care of Primitive Christians was to- 
wards the poor saints, to administer to 
their necessities; but not so with the mis- 
sionaries of the present day, for they pro- 
fess to he so anxious for the salvation of 
the wot hi, they require contributions from' 
the poorest of saints for the purpose of 
rearing up theological schools to educate 
men to go and preach that the world may 
he saved, as they say. No matter seem- 
ingly what becomes of the church, so they 
get money enough to carry on their fabu- 
lous schemes and plans, and they call all 
their money-begging sermons the gospel in 
its simplicity. It does seem to me they 
surely know better. And if they will notice 
farther, the greatest care of the apostles 
was, the safety and welfare of the churches, 
while the world was with therh a matter of 
minor consideration. 

In the next place, they request me to 
point out to them where contributions were 
thrown in largely, according to the asser- 
tion of my letter, and they ask, if it was in 
the Sarepta Association, (of which 1 was 
once a member, but have with Other breth- 
ren withdrawn from them in consequence 
oC the. majority's compelling us to be in 
part a constituent member of the Baptist 
Convention of Georgia, for which we had 
no fellowship.) In answer to the first 
question, I would refer them to the Min- 
utes of their Convention and Associations, 
&c. which proves that large quantities of 
money have been paid over even to them 
as well as others. And as for the Sarepta, 
she was pestered for a number of years be 
fore we left her with influential conven- 
tionists, (who by good words and fair 
speeches deceive the heads of the simple. 
Romans, 16th chapter and 18th verse,) 
ursine her to become a member of said 
convention, until they accomplished their 
design. But before we left her, she paid 
considerably, remembering it was in sup 
port of things invented of men who were 
disposed to cali large sums (speaking after 
the manner of a poor man,) poor pitiful 
sums; and they never have been known to 
say, there* that is enough; do not give any 
more. No, indeed, they are too much 
like some Isaiah speaks of, 56th chapter 
and 11th verse, saying, "Yea, they are 
greedy dogs which can never have enough, 
and they are shepherds that cannot under- 
stand : they all look to their own way, 

every one for his gain, from his quar- 

In the next place, thev ask in Christian 
charily, they say, by what art of necro- 
mancy I discovered the motives of those 
tiiat threw in largely, so as to see it was for 
self praise or vain glory? To this I would 
answer, it does not take the art of conju- 
ration to tell whether fruit is good or bad, 
after it comes to maturity, "by their fruit 
ye shall know them." I did not know 
the tree, (falsely called benevolence) when 
it first appeared to my view, and I was fa- 
vorable to it; but when the fruit appeared, 
it undoubtedly was praise to men or vain 
glory, which was to be seen in public prints 
and heard from the sacred desk on various 
occasions. And I took the alarm, finding 
it was congenial with my proud and natu- 
ral disposition and knowing from the scrip- 
tures, that the titles great, good, worthy, 
&rc. only belonged to'G'od and not to sinful 
men. But so it is, they are very often 
given to men in this dark and bewildered 
time of distress, and especially to those 
who pay the most money in support of 
their unscriptural institutions. And I was 
more confirmed in the belief, that the new 
plans of the day had a tendency to exalt 
men, when on the very evening we had en- 
tered our protest against the Sarepta Asso- 
ciation, a certain zealous missionary ob- 
served to* me, "well, brother Patman, you" 
have ruined yourself; I am truly sorry for 
you, for you soon would have been a very 
popular preacher; but now you never can 
be." I told him I then felt willing to re- 
nounce popularity for the sake of truth, 
and if I never could be popular without 
patronizing unscriptural institutions, I ex- 
pected to be unpopular all my clays. 

In the next place, they cite me to certain 
passages of scripture, warning us against 
judging one another, requesting me to read 
them; which 1 have done, and I confess it 
excited in me a fear that probably I had 
been too free in expressing my thoughts re- 
lative to the motives of others in giving to* 
the support of said mission cause. But I 
have concluded eventually, that if their mo- 
tives weiegood they certainly have been 
badly deceived in making the application 
in support of institutions which the word' 
of God does in no wise authorise or justify; 
and if that does not authorize them, it cer- 
tainly is sinful to support them, as his word 
is the only correct rule of faith and of prac- 
tice too. And farther, I believe those who 
wish to come to the light, are willing, for 



their motives and their ways too to be tried corruption of (he human heart, no cfepertV 

by the scriptures of truth, and that without [dance to be put in man if permuted lo 

offence; but Friey that love darkness do not | have hbiwayin religious mutters But I vet? 

love to come to the light, lest their deeds 

should be reproved/ add therefore they do 

not like to be judged. They continue to 

say, Christians ought to be guarded against 

their ignorance and pride; to that I say, 

amen. And 1 would to God I could have 

graoe whereby they might be suuhded, for 

1 know they are too powerful ior nie; and 

I would pray never t . be so blinded as to 

believe 'he "Lord ivjll cause ail such of his - 
children a- have gone astray after ,Baal or 
his likeness, to return to him or his word 
and serve him only. 

Again they noiiee this part of mj tetterf 
<*for the Lord will have the glor, ," which 
was assigned by rne as a reason why 'her 
work of division is going on i and I yei be- 
lieve it to be a good one in -this case. ISovv 

conclude I am destitute, of pride, for I do i if their new institutions »ri '-^without aufho- 
believe wherever lhereis a human being f rity in the word of God,, as they are-bound 
there i* pride and ignorance too, and I feel j to confess, ami as I verily belief e tl ey ore, 
a disposition to try to pray nev r to be i then thy, are idolatry and if course disor- 
wise above that, that is wuilien in the scrip- j derly ; and the. command to Christians is, 
tures of truth. . "withdraw thyself from ev-ery bruther'thar 

In the next place, they notice my having wdketh disorderly ;" and if it is obeyed, 
rio doubt but many of the children of God God is glorified; and if not, sin heih at the 
were permitted to lia^ e gone so far in these door. 

Bin scriptural and deceivable ihi> gs, that : But, brother Editor,* n*any in this da-rk 
though they may be convinced of the ef- dav seem disposed to admit any and al- 
ror of their way, yet through fear of re- most every thing thai comes in ihe u'ai \& 
p'roach fromthosv- thatbithertp have-praised of ihe Lord, whether s rip urai or not, jpst 
them for their deeds, that they call char ita- so its objects-are professed to b< charitable. 
ble, would not come out from among ihcm, • The Lord deliver us, 1 pray, from su h a 
This 1 « rote from 'experience, as bad as it course or state of things, and enable us to 
was;for I remember well, when 1 was with abide in the simplicity ol' his all-.-uffi.-ient 
them and their new things, and I confess I j word. 

had loo much confidence in wild the said | In conclusion, they seem to express a 
and was too neglectful in reading m\ Bible, hope, thai notw iths-tandingall my incorrect 
and f com the fondness they manifested 10- statements^ pride of opinion, &c. I may be 
wards me, (especially when the\ had any recovered and brought to-see the error of 
reason to believe 1 would continue with ' my ways." Bui I cannot have the least 
them,) I was sure if I left them I should ; hope of ever turning to follow them, in 
met:t with their frowns; for somehow 1 had preference to the word of God; follow one 
found out that their charily endured only and you leave the other. So I have gladly 
that which was favorable to them, and leit them, and 1 pray ihe good Lord to- 
frowned on every thing tdse, even senptur I teach me by his Holy Spirit iido the mys- 
argumentsof tiie most plain and simplest teries of his word, and enable tm to abide 
kind; yet they would turn from ihcm as if therein; and may he grant unto you, near 
they were determined not to give heed to brother Editor, together with all his chosen 
anv thing that opposed their- new plans, like precious grace, and ever keen us sepa- 
W ell, to meet with' their frowns I could rate lrom those money beggars of the pres- 
riot reconcile to my feelings at first, I tii ent-day , who are in rnyhumbJe conception 
after much trouble and try ing to pray and ; very much like i he heads of Jacob and 
read my Bible, on a certain occasion if I Princes of 'Israel weio, of whom the prophet 
am not deceived, I felt willing to be under i Micah spake, 3(\ chapter and 5th veise 
the frowns of the whole world, rather than I say ing : ?»Thus saith the LokI concerning 
the frowns of a merciful and all-wise God, '' the prophets that make my people err, that 
foi departing from his.v\ord and following hite with t-heir'teelh and oy ' pearrv; and he 
the commandments ui men. Thus remem- i tnat putieth not into their mouth, th»y even 
feering myrf)wn experience and this scrip- I prepare war against him. Again, lith 
ture, (as the face of man answcrcih to call ' verse : "The heads th» reof judge I or re- 
ward, and the | nests thereof teach for hue, 
anu^ll.e prophets thereof divine for money; 
yei will the} lean upon ihe Lord and say-., 
is not the Lord among us, none evil can 

in water, su does the heart of man to man,; 
1 concluded it was very probable that others 
were in the same condition I had been in, 
and all the time thinking something of the 



tome upon »s." The Editors of the Index 
en" give Ihp foregoing > place in their pa- 
per as •-00 u as it app_ >rs in the Primitive, 
ar.d I r- ii-on Ihrj "ill. as the v requested 
tier -in answers from me which are hi rein 

fiven, and which, (though hadh written^') 
:tm perfectly willing and anxious that all 
their readers ma* see. 

1 Brother Bennett, n'eas" give the forego- 
ing a place in yoar valaablr parser, ihe Pri- 
mitive Baptist asquie,K a- p ■ -sibh , (if you 
think ii will po^sddv pas--.) and you will 
•oblige your brother in affliction, 



pine Grove, St Tammany Parish, La. > 
loth Srpt 1838. 5 

Beloved Iparro!;: From seeing my 
letter to you published, jo the hands of an 
■other, for my own \5'h No ha* been mis- 
placed, I am entbohlenetl to contribute my 
mite in some oofnerol your heart cheering 
paper, for the edification of the body of 

I see in one of your numbers the requesi 
of a Brother Cor your views upon ih.> 20t.h 
ye:sc of Remafis^ And whereas there is 
a spirit in ma.-, and the inspiration o ; the 
Almighty giveth them understanding, 
therefore I said, hearken unio me, I will 
ghew mine opinion But if you have anti- 
cipated me in a.ll the points which vou 
mav think important, postpone the publi- 
cif', of this until the iiOil) of some distant 
Ft brim v. 

"For the creature loasmadt sithject to 
vanity, w<t willingly, but by reason 
of him who tuith subjected the same in 


The epistle to the Romans is one of those 
.displays, wherein we discover the divine 
and philosopher, united; or in other word-, 
fan instructed scribe out o[ whose trea- 
sure, both obi and new things are brought'." 
Like a wise and master buihler St. Paul in 
his commencement began at the founda 
tion, and made such an exposure of human 
degradation, that no successor h;is eve.' 
been bold enough to follow him. He re- 
marks, indeed, i hat the Jews had a great 
advantage of the Gentiles. But were those 
better than them? No: in no wise. So 
that the boasting Pharisee is at least in as 
bad a fix as the Harlot, or publican; noi 
will lie enter the kingdom of heaven quite 
as soon. 

The ?post!e in speaking of the gospel; 

adverts to the call of Abraham, and illus- 
trates ihe economy of God's salvation, by 
a minute scrutiny ie'o its process. He 
labors with all the zeal and devotion of a 
faithful minister to prove that this salva- , 
t.ion is bv grace, and without works. By 
his prophet, the Lord had said: l A short 
work will the Lord make " In pursuance 
of this, he had but one Son: this Son died • 
but once, and bv one faith all Abraham's 
children are saved. They are called his 
children, merely hecause they all walk in 
the step- 1 of his one faith This is a short 
work indeed. Hear it concisely spoken: 
("Therefore it is of faith, that it might be 
by grace to the end tn tt the promise might 
be sore to all the seed. " 

But the apostle did not, like manv oth- 
ers, contemn Christian experience; but in 
cur context minutely and fully entered in- 
to his own. So ought all, and so will all 
gospel preachers; and in so doing, he gui- 
ded by their own. Those who condemn 
experience-preaching, may find their anti- 
types in Ezckiel's/J// cattle, (SQih chap.) 
who foul the water; and David's roarers, 
P«alm "74, who break down the carved 
work. The poor children of God have 
many times to walk in darkness, having no 
light. Then they have to do like David, 
119th Psalm, 49th verse: "R member the 
word unto thy T servant upon which thou 
bust c .list -! me to hope; this is my, comfort 
in my afflictioni" Christ has said: "They 
have kept the word, which 1 have given 

Can one easily imagine a more dia- 
bolical act, than to snatch, and remote the 
grasped plank from a drowning child. 
And 5 et these fat cattle and roarers, in the 
midst of God's congregation do this very 
thing, God's eyes are looking on. His 
everlasting arms ate underneath, so that 
neither many waters nor floods can drown 
them. Can this land mark of God's little 
trembling children be removed without 
offewiing? The Son of the eternal God, 
who also is the eternal Son of God, has 
used a figure of the greatest emphasis a- 
gimst such offenders: "It would be belter. 
(says he) that a millstone were banged a- 
bout their neck, and they cast into the 
depths of the sea." 

My God! my dear brethren, let us cease 
to be angry with them. Rather let us pity 
and pra> for them, knowing as we do. that 
they are heaping up wrath against a day, 
wherein "there is a sufficiency of wrath al- 
ready. For it has always abode upon 


those, who hath not received the truth 

1 perceive that 1 am a little digressive, 
but 1 am not certain if such are not the best 
pari of any of our productions. I shall not 
stop to give my reason for the last idea, 
but rerur to St. Paul's experience, which 
I look upon to he essentially connected 
with the subject before us. But before 1 
advert to it, \ would finish a sentence that 
I began a few lines back. I said that a 
child of God could not be drowned, for his 
everlasting arms are underneath; I now 
further add, that he '■-is a wall of fire round 
about them." So that tbev cannot be got- 
ten downwaads, nor at tangents; but must 
go upwards, up, up, up, "springing up in- 
to eternal iife. " 

And never did bro. Lawrence's wolf 
tug harder for the sheepskin, than the lit- 
tle child of God for its little experience. 
Let us hear Paul upon his. "I was alive 
without the law once, but when the com- 
mandment came, sin revived and I died." 
Whit was the consequence of this death? 
Answer, that he could pot do as he want- 
ed. Why so? Because he saw another 
law in his members warring against the 
law of his mind. Now take notice thai 
this mind, he calls himself. And the 
word himself, cannot be used in our lan- 
guage without an emphasis. The law 
which he found in his members, was not 
a law given by God, nor yet by man. 
The apostle, as a philosopher, called it so 
from its unceasing propensity to evil. 
Take notice also, that thjs law, did not 
lead him into bondage as a servant, but as 
a captive. I observe a great difference 
between these two characters. My eter- 
nal hopes are builded upon this difi'erence. 
For a servant is at home upon his own side 
of the warfare; not so, a captive; this wails 
an opportunity of deli \ erunce. 

And shall not a captive soldier of the 
Son of God, (who hath more power, and is 
stronger than our enemy,) be delivered? 
Heir him, by the mouth of his evangelical 
prophet Isaiah, 49th and 24th, &c. "Shall 
the prey be taken from the mighty, or the 
lawful captive delivered \ BUT," THUS 
SAITH THE LOPvl), even the captives 
of the mighty shall be taken away, and 
the prey shall be delivered, &.c 

The apostle, in this epi-lle says: "I thank 
God, lhai ye were (he servants of sin, but 
ye have obeyed from the heart, that form 
of doctrine which was delivered unto you. 
See chap. 6, verse 17. JNloses, as quick 

as he had crossed the lied Sea, told Israel 
that the enemies that they had seen the 
day before they should see no more forev- 
er. To be sure there were enemies a- 
head, but not of the same description. 
The first were their wasters, (by God's ap- 
pointment;) t'pese their captors. 

The aposile, in the close of his experi- 
ence, speaks thus: "0 wretched man that 
I am!" This apostrophe was the effect of 
his discovery, that his identity was compo- 
sed of two and not one man. He calls 
(hem the inward and of course, the out- 
ward man, And in this latter, my en- 
quiring brother may find the "creature" 
in our text, It is called a creature, be- 
cause God made it, and did not beget it. 
Bui the apostle asked this important ques- 
tion: "Who shall deliver me from the body 
of this death?" It will be easily seen, that 
he intended to answer this question him- 
self, for our edification. He does so, by 
an interesting exultation, "1 thank God 
through JESUS CIIKIST, our Lord." 
Next come his concluding words, "So 
then with the mind 1 myselt serve the law 
of God, but with the flesh, the law of sin. 

Now if my bro. will read attentively, the 
doctrine which the* apostle raises upon this 
Christian experience; he will find that it 
will reach to, and embrace, the verse un- 
der consideration. It appears to me quite 
plain, thai his very object was, to make a 
plain discrimination between the soul and, 
body. The first he styles sons of God, (af- 
ter having gone through the process, the, 
manner of which he had just given, ) Take 
notice, that, afier receiving the spirit of 
adoption, they can no more receive the 
spirit of bondage again to fear. That is, 
the same kind of fear, which they had be- 
fore the Red Sea of Christ's blood, applied 
by faith to the cleansing of all their trans- 

Notice the next verse: "Because the 
creature itself also, shall be delivered 
from the bondage of corruption," &c. 
The vanity unto which the creature was 
made subject, certainly was death; with its 
cause and consequence. Its cause is sin; 
its consequence, corruption. Now we arc 
saved from the bondage of this corruption 
by something not seen. A good hope, 
through grace. A short comment upon 
the apostles' doctrine will explain thematr 
Icr more fully. As though he should 
have said, "As I find thai my inward man 
is already safe, by an indissoluble union to 
Christ, by faith; so shall also, this out- 


apjrpQ man (Mi° err a here) he ns safe, thro' 1 1 have visited three Associations Ibis fall, 
£"/>e. The.brother will 'ake notice, thnt the two of which divided. 'Hie unties (as call- 
text does not say, ihat the subjection of the,ed) were in the majority of both of Ihem. 
«reaure, was against his will; the fact is, ■ The one to which I belong was all peace 
he has no will, nor judgment, nor aJTeetion., land harmony. 

and therefore could not be consulted, fur 1 read your paper with a great deal of 
he could have no being before his creation, 'pleasure. I see brethren through the Pri- 
There exists a besmjiful analogy to these : mitive all over the United States situated 
two processes ia man, in the sufferings of just as I am. for whom I can have Chris- 
•€h "is!. 1 allude first, to the suffering of tian love and fellowship. 
hh s uj in the garden; and ger-oridly, to Accept my best wishes for yourself. 

jthe suffering; of his body on the cross. His 
soul was first delivered, and so are ours, 
&c. Theie is a parallel passage in lib. 
2. 14andl5: 'For smuch thin a* the chil- 
dren are partakers of flesh and blood, he 
also himself took likewise pari of the same; 
that through death he might destroy him 



No Carolina, Lenoir county., > 
August I5/h, 1833. 5 
•Brotjieh Bennett: I send you some 

that had the power of death, that is, the mor e of my scribbling. I had thought I 
devii; and deliver tkcr 3 i, who, through fear should plagneyou less, but while things go 
of death, were all their life-time subject to OH as t^ e y do in matters of religion, I do 

bondage." This subjection, were surely 
not 'he children themselves, but the flesh 
and blood which tlw children are the par 

not feel satisfied to be silent 

The other day \ went to the post-office 
and found a couple of printed sheets ad- 

takers of. The soul \\ ii its to be with Je- dressed to me, with no name assigned to 
sus the moment it is delivered, but the bo- j theni, so .that 1 know not the author; but 
dv cares nothing about J> sus, rjor holiness; thinking he is one that sees the Primitive 
either. So. complex man cannot live by Baptist, I wish him to know my mind 
bread alone, but that part which is a bgdy through that paper. The sheets we're head- 

of death, can; and likes nothing but what 
js earthly. Let it therefore, go to kg place, 
until that day, when Christ shall transform 
it into the likeness of his own — ','and when 
death shall be swallowed up jn victory." 
{to be continued.) 
The broken-boned brother, 

Appendix. — I, old Turn the Baptist, in 

ed; A plain and friendly Talk. Now if 
this plain talker had been a plain dealer in 
the truths of the gospel, his sheets would 
have read different. He begins by an in- 
quiry for the ground hope of salvation of 
those that oppose the schemes of the day, 
he putting them in the place of God's ap- 
pointed means of salvation. We answer, 
our hope is founded on the merits of him 

my maturity, shall leap for joy as much as | who was made sin for us who knew no 
young John did, in his mother's womb; if sin, that we might be made the righteous- 
you will insert the phrase "to be eonlinu- ness of Cod in him; and not on such mo- 
ed" — for I have but entered the porch of neyed schemes a« are held forth by this 
my subject. I have been so hard run, that plain talker. For he seems to think that 
I have had to appeal so often to Paul's ex- salvation is in the power of man to bestow, 
perience, by way of comparison, that I sus- and that through the means of money they 
pect many of my brethren need the same j can christianize the whole world. But we 
comfort 1 received from it. 1 hope this is haye not so learned Christ, for we under- 
a labor of love. Now I desire an interest stand that the wisdom of God fosesaw all 
in the prayers of all youi readers, and your- \ the distress that men and women would 
self; that the Lord would pass by once j bring upon themselves by the devices of 
more, and deliver me from this sore capti- 1 satan; therefore he purposed the deli.er- 


Good by. 

T. P. 


Pickens county, Alabama, J» 
AW 27, 183S. ^ 

ance of his people from this evil into which 
they would fall. And in order to accom- 
plish this his purpose, he entered into a 
covenant with his Son: "I have made a 
covenant with my chosen." He (God) be- 
ing infinite and possessing all power, spake 

Deab brother Bennett: 1 write to j of things that had not yet taken place as 
let you know our affairs and how we do. j though they had been transacted; there* 



fore he promised his Son a portion of thl- 
pcnplo, an! (.hat he would prepare him a 
body of flesh if) which he might assume the 
likeness, sin excepted. If he (the Son) 
would in that body come down into this 
world, and live a life of obedience to the 
requirements of his law, which they his 
people would violate, 1)iathe (God) would 
in consequence of that obedience be satisfi- 
ed with them for the injury that his justice 
wo id receive from them. For your sake, 
an in consequence of the same, I will give 
then, to you: "I will give thee the heathen 
for an inheritance, and the uttermost parts 
of the earth for a possession." Now the 
Son agreed to these proposals, (love and 
not money being Jhe cause.) 

Then how absurd for a man to profess to 
be a follower of the Lamb of God, who was 
meek and lowly in spirit and had not where 
to lay his head, and went about doing good, 
and had a special regard for the poor when 
he himself must he clad in superfluous ap- 
parel and have a stipulated salary for hi.-: 
labors, having the great ones of the world 
in esteem, while the poor are unnoti- 
ced How plain it is that the perishable 
things of this world nre his object; \ ei they 
say their object; is to inculcate the doctrine 
ot the Bible, when.their whole course is 
conirary to the Bible and its author. 

Now, Mr. Plain Talker, sec your folly 
and repent, of this your evil, an'-! pray to 
God if perhaps he may forgive the same. 
Now God, with whom one day isas a thou- 
sand years, and a thousand years as one 
da- , saw good to give his people a know- 
ledge of this his purpose, through sacrifices 
an . the blood of certain beasts, which was 
often to be observed and practiced; point- 
ing his people to the great sacrifice for sin, 
till his own appointed time fir tin- great 
antitype (to wit':) the Lord Redeemer 
should make his appearance in the world, 
clothed in this body of flesh in which he 
was to atone for the sins of his people, and 
render that obedience to the law of God 
which was required of man, and which in 
consequence ot his fallen nature he could 
hot render. Now the time appointed be- 
ing come, God sent forth his Son, marie of 
a woman, made under the law, to redeem 
them that were under the law. Bui be- 
cause he came of poor parentage according 
to the flesh, he was rejected by the great 
men i>f ihe world, the scribes and phari- 
Bees, &c. to which i think the modern mis- 
sionaries bear a great resemblance. But 
he accomplished the purpose for which he,' 

came, according to the will of his Father; 
nor did he r quir? money, nor beggars of 
money, nor Slate Conventions, noi socie- 
ties, in which the church and work! should 
mingle together to 'help him accomplish 
his work; (for he ' re' the wine press of 
his father's wrath alone, and of all the men 
there was none to help.) Neither tempe- 
rance societies, for hf came eating a ! ul 
drinking and they said, behold a gjuttori- 
ous man and a wine-bibber, (ffiissiohary- 
!ike. ) Do not 'bin'; hard, for I wish to 
talk plain as well as you. 

But we will notice some of his sayings, 
while doing this his work. And first: I 
come not to do mine own will, but the 
will of him that sent me. And again: the 
works that I do, ibey bear witness of 
me. So do the work's of missionaries bear 
witness of them and show by whom they 
are sent. Again: he "aid, my kingdom is 
not of this work!; and t'lerofote the per- 
ishable things of this World were not neces- 
sary to its support. But missionaries.must 
have large sums of money for their sup- 
port, with State conventions and numerous 
societies, with a host of officers unheard of 
| in- scripture and unexampled bv Primitive 
Christians. How unlik^ the apostolic 
mode, for the}' had neither hired beggars 
nor any of the societies and officers, that 
w" so often hear of in this our day, to make 
a traffic of the gospel and to speculate 
thereon. Bui the 1 , had all things common, 
and when they were apprised of the suffer- 
ing stale of the poor saint*, thev sent, again 
and again to their relief; by the hands of 
certain of their own body. And we hear 
nothing of their salaries, or dividing those 
gifts among themselves as \ou missionaries 
do; nor do we hear of their givingto indo- 
lent young men to support them in idle- 
ness, as is the case in t'.c present age. But 
Paul labored with his own hands, to minis- 
ter to his own and the necessities of them 
that were with him; and lie advised, that 
if any would not work neither should he 
eat, &c. 

But the Plain Talker says, whether the 
first Christians formed a missionary society 
for spreading the gospel or not, you will 
find something in the fourth chapter of 
Acts that very much resembles it. 1 think 
his mistake isas plain as his talk; but if he 
will examine Grimshaw's History of 
France, on the 5Slh page*be will find a 
greater likeness of modern missionaries in 
the following language under the :upers<i- 
tion of priestcraft: "Redeem your souls 


irom destruction, says a certain bishop, I the Editors, and each will address himself to alj 
v^'iiisl you have the means in your power; I the rest; and the paper will be viewed principally 
offer presents and tithes to church men, j as a medium of correspondence! 
come more frequently to church, implore j I cannot but feel both sorry and glad as I take 
the patronage of the saints: for if you ob- leave of the thousands of precious brethren, by 
serve these things, von mav come, wi'h whom I have so often been directly addressed, in. 
see-liritv, in the day of th' tribunal >>f 'he terms of fellowship and brotherly love, and re- 
eternal Judge, ad say, gi e US, Lord, fleet that this manner of intercourse is to cease, 
fur ne have giyen unto '.hee!'" i and their kind salutations to become silent, some 

Now, Mr. Plain Talker, here you may j melancholy emotions irresistibly steal upon me. 
sec a plain sample of vour conduct; much B ut w hen 1 remember that since the Primitive 
Biof? so than in the A-:ts of the Apostles, j Baptist has been goirfg, two other Qid School pa- 
to which yoi) refer. j p Prs , the Qhristtan Doctrinal Advocate and Spiritual 

Brother, I close for the present, not hay- j Morktix, and the Old Baptist Barker, have sprung 

ing said as much as I purpos d; subscribing , UJ)) U)e formpr at Lansiftg j, ur& ; Nl Y , the latter 

myself yours in the best of Upncls. ! at Nashyi | ]e> Tenn-i each . sn?por1 i n? the truln , 

ALFilED ELLIS. and worl h y of confidence; afi^ tint the Signs of 

5 — i tne Ljmes continues to wa\agood warlare; and 

THE PRIMITIVE BAPTIST, j th.it the people of God in all quarters are coming 

out of mystical Babylon, and by their faithfulness 

SATURDAY, .JANUARY 12, 1839.' ' and comfort and joy continue to be monuments 

of God's mercy, and that although the Dragon. 

As there are a considerable number of subscri- and Beast of the Sea and Beast of the Earth — 

hers to commence with this volume, and probably MYSTERY BABYLON with all her dangh- 

tliere will be many more, we have concluded to ters — make war with the Lamb, yet he shall 

^nsert the following three articles, which appear- overcome them; that die Old School Baptists who 

ed in the closing number of our last volume, thai are opposed by every other religious power on 

our new subscribers also may know the cause of earth, are still advancing and happy under all op- 
jthe Editorial change, and the present arrangement, [position; and that our Father Almighty is yet in- 

— . I trod upjng them and comforting them together, I 

FARE WELL. i rejoice and am glad. 

It was stated in a former number of the Frimi- j My brethren, suffer now-one word of exhortation.' 
Jtive, Baptist, that it was fourteen miles from the Walk circumspectly. Maintain good works, 
place of my residence to the, office where the pa- Seek not revenge; the Lord has told us that vea- 
per is printedi The time spent in going to and geance is hi-;. Make no complaint about persecu- 
fro, together with the ordinary duties and exp'en- ii'oni Abstain from ridicule and blackguarding; 
ses of an editor, has caused a drain too constant these are the weapons of the New School; be not 
and rapid for my feeble and failing resources, like unto them; guard carefully against this spirit, 
Hence, I was led to publish a notice near the. lor it; savors not of God. It is no help to the 
close of the second volume, that the paper would truth; it serves either to exhibit the corruptions of 
be discontinued at the end &f that volume. But our nature, or to show the badness of one's cause, 
being urged by brethren from different quarters There is also at this time, generally, a strong bias 
to continue, and recollecting that the printer had towards mingling civil and political subjects with 
just purchased, at his own cost, a press and types religious controversy. This is against the scrip- 
jfor printing the Primitive Baptist, I determined to tares. The disciples of Christ are exhorted to 
sutler all the sacrifices one year longer. He- honor the King, obey magistrates, and to be sub- 
sides all this, I was resolved either to give in- ject to the higher powers. Tiie Primitive Baptists 
creased attention to the paper, or else to dissolve submitted in silence to all the laws of their re- 
rny present connection with it. Finding myself spective countries. The Priests and Pharisees 
left without a choice, I now resign my station as uttered their fears that because of Christ the Ro- 
editor. mails might come and take away iheir nation. 

The Publisher, Mr. Howard, as will be seen by The subject of Abolition seems likely to creep into 

reference to his annexed notice, proposes to con- the controversy between New and Old School 

tiune publishing the paper. He is no professor of Baptists. Brethren, for the Lord's sake, do ab- 

rcligion, but I consider him to be a man of feon- stain from it. If the New School be engaged in 

esty and skill, of moral habits, and a gond print- it, let them be; hut let us attend to. subjects pure- 

er. Under this arrangement the correspondents ly religious; and never appeal to the prejudices of 

ci writers will consider themselves collectively as i the civil community any sooner than to the civil 



Yours to serve sincerely, when in my power. 

arm. Remember brotlier A. B. Retd-'s advice in have confidence in your good morals an<l i'nteg- 

a former number. Exclude the subject from your rity, and do humbly hope and pray, that God may 

pulpits and writings. reveal in your heart his Son Jesus Christ the hope 

Amongst yourselves, when you discover what of glory before you die, or else you aro lost, for 

you consider to be error, in doctrine or practice, . ever lost, 
take good time to deliberate; understand distinctly 
and precisely, the views of the author before you 
proceed to final action. 

In my present capacity. I now am about to ta^ke j For the information of subscribers, and as a 

leave of the patrons >f the Print. Iinp. Since guide to correspondents, we copy the Prospec- 

I have beep entrusted will; its editorial depart- tus, and accompanying Address, exhibiting its 

irient. I feel to acknowledge the kiud inj.iulgen.ee original design and objects, which appeared in the 

of y brethren; and as I may have committed er- Specimen copy before commencing the Primitive- 

rors in judgment, and may have failed to give uni- Baptist. It will be seen, that no reference is made 

versal satis, faction, I am under the stronger obli- to a discussion of points of doctrine or practice, on, 

gallons to them. 1 enjoy ihe happiness to reflect, which Old School or Primitive Baptists may 

that hut little complaint has reached me. If I differ; it was, and it is still, deemed advisable to 

have injured any of your feelings or done you leave this with the churches and Assrciations, to 

wrong in any wise, J crave, your forgiveness. On avoid unpleasant and unprofitable collisions — in 

the other hand, I leave you, having nought against such cases, a defence will be admitted into its 

any subscriber or patron of the Primitive Baptisj; columns, but not an attack, 
yon have done me no wrong. 

I cheerfully commend you all juto ike hands of 

Baptist ministers andj laity, the subscri 
determined to continue publishing the Primitive 
Baptist, on the same plan and on the same terms 
as heretofore. The paper will be hereafter "Edited • 
by Primitive (or Old School) Baptist ministers 
and laity," — and correspondents will address 
Jheir communications to "Editors Primitive Bap- j 
list." The subscriber will continue to have the ■ 


This publication is principally intended 
graying that we all may be as blest as we I tQ ^^ ^ Qu{ ^^ ^.^ g 

bear. The grace of our Lord be , with , you all. I f|0m ^ ^^ a?per8i ; ms cast upon thcin 

MA RK £L.\i\Ell, j tjy deluded persons professing their own 

/-' , „ , „,,,-,, , faith, because they cannot conscientiously 
At the susrgeslions of several of the Old School • .1 • 1 - 

engage in the various money-making 

»or has no -i 1 - " 

1 schemes of the clay, ostensibly intended to 
promote Chi istianity, but evidently tending 
to destroy the great and fundamental princi- 
ples upon which it is based, by making a 
gain of godliness. We wish to have it dis- 
tinctly understood, that we are not inimical 
to iNiasonry, Temperance, the distribution 

i of the Bible, or the spread of the Gospel — 
!( . > >- fn-.-m.-ml .„ .-.-u -> but we do condemn the m i ngling of ptofes- 



sorsand nqtoprQfessor.s of religion in socie- 
ties, and the making a "craft"' of religious 
matters by professors, in every shape and 

Tq the Publisher of the Primitive B.tptisr. 
Dear Sir: I am gratified to hear that you! are ] form whatsoever, 
willing to continue publishing the Primitive Bap- ! Believing that Theological Schools, Bible, 
list. You have longknown the old North C.aro- | Missionary, Tract, and Sunday School U- 
lina Whig; to you I am indebted for the publica- j n j n Societies, are the same in principle — 
tion of most of my writings, and I humbly unscriptural — savor more of -'lucre" than 
hope they will not be a losing business to you; but of ' 'good-wiil towards men," we arc oppo- 

amply reward you for your labor, as all men 
should live by their labor, as God has given us 
all hands for the support of ourselves and fami- 

sed to them. 

Some of the children of God, surrounded 
with, and intersperse.! amongst, the advo- 

lies. Go forward, for my writings will speak to [ cites of . \Iissionarv and other societies are 
the church of God through you when I am dead, I denied the happiness of conversing with 
and iny conscience testifies to me that I have told those of the same judgment. Others, 
the truth all the way, so far as the nature of such while grieved with beholding corruptions 
a bad case as that of the schemes of the day would of the doctrine and practice of the gospel, 
admit. And all the reproaches of the society men are not able to speak for themselves. This 
and letotalists do not move mc n peg from the is designed, under God, for their relief. 
Book, for they are liars and the Book will tell j We shall aim not so much to please the fan? 
them so if they would admit its plain truths. I j cy, as to inform the judgment— rinorc to af ; 


fjord matter for solid anil lasting comfort, papers: for they oficn receive from their 

than to give a momentary glow to the feel- correspondents absolute falsehoods and pub- 

ings. We consider that the cause of trulh lish ihem for facts, r.ot knowing whether 

and of Christian solace, is our cause. Deep- the thing he true or false — this is wrong, 

ly impreffiedwirh the belief that the blessing Dousjustice by the Bible and our character, 

even of truth itself js of the Head of the and this is all we ask even at the hands of 

Church, we cast ourselves upon Him, and an enemy. And we still further are sorry 

send our little paper abroad, praying the to say, that such has been the pushing, and 

Lord to carry with it some joy to those who driving, and calumniating of Missionary 

are in tribulation and a little rest to those Biptists against all the Baptists of tho old 

who arc troubled. stamp, in all the States, to make money 

— for their ministers, that they have procured 

To the old fashioned United Baptists in a schism in the Baptist church that never 

the United States. will be healed in time; and they are the 

The United Baptists of the old stamp, cause, as we abide on the same old ground 

/composing the Kehukee, Contentnea, Little on which the Philadelphia, Kehukcc, and 

River, Abbott's Creek Union, JVlayho, and Charleston Associations were first founded 

Country Line Associations, with others, in the United States. Then we charge 

have long borne the calumnies and reproa- the Missionary Baptists with all the dis- 

chefTof the Missionary Baptists and all cord, disunion, division and weakness that 

those Baptists who advocate the new results tq the Baptist cause, for the) are 

schemes "W" the day — who traffic and sell the guilty in this matter; they have left us 

religious services, Balaam-like, for reward, and not we them, and gone astray after 

and run from place to place fer money — other gods and schemes to make money, 

and are, Balaam-like, a curse to our Israel, not known nor practised by our fathers nor 

And we have borne their sneers and ca- provable by the New Testament. Neyer- 
lumuialing publications, and defamation of jheless, we were fully content that they, 

some of our worthy ministers and mem- should preach and pray, and go to heaven 

hers, until we consider forbearance no Ion- j in their own way — and- if they missed, all 

ger a virtue. We, therefore, take this must own they alone must bear the blame, 

method to defend ourselves and all the Jf they would have let us alone, and not 

Baptists of the old stamp in the United condemned us by wholesale for not seeing 

States,' from the unjust aspersions against cut of their eyes, and running with them 

our doctrine, ordinances, or practices, ac- greedil}', like Balaam, to make money, we 

cording with the New Testament. For should not have set up this defender of our- 

we do believe that the Missionary Baptists selves. 

have deviated from the good old way in Thus yon can see 'hat opposition presses 
vvhich the apostles and our old Baptist fa- are fair proofs that there is a division 
thers trod, when compared with the New j among the Baptists, and n e say the Mis- 
Testament, both "in doctrine and ministeri- sionarics are the cause of this breach and 
al practice; making money the mainspring curse to our Zion, and that money-making 
of ministerial motion, instead of love to has been the ground work of the whole.' 
Christ and souls — which we consider a And as we understand there are seven As- 
great corruption. For God has founded socialions in Georgia of the old stamp, 
his religion on love, but the devil has foup- that have been equally calumniated by the 
ded his upon money; as the whole tenor of Missionary Baptists, we invite their co-op? 
the Bible shows in the character of his men oration with us in self defence, and all others 
that preach for hire, from Sechem who of the old stamp throughout the Stales and 
would be circumcised for .lacob's cattle, to territories, lo maintain the old truth in 
Judas who sold his master for thirty pieces doctrine, ordinance and discipline. And 
of silver; or the popish priests who sell ab- thus for i he old Baptists to form a General 
solutions from sin, or indulgences in sin, Union again, and a general acquaintance 
or deliverance from purgatory, for gold, throughout the States, that they thereby 
We are sorry tq say that the Missionary may be the better able to withstand the at- 
Baptists have pushed us with head, hoof, tacks of their adversaries, and thus bring 
and horns, and often belied us as we do the division, at ouce to issue, as we are ai- 
know in many of their publications, asser- ready divided and have long been so in 
ting downright falsehoods. We do not principle in opposition to all the moneyed 
felame the printers, but the editors of such schemes of the dav. Then let the Hug of 


division be at once drawn and lei us be so- bear a faithful teslimon}' against tlicir craft, 
pa me, that union and peace may be among I and cast from us those that sell cloven and 

bu selves as of old time, as we have no fel- 
lowship for Ihcm nor their unsenpturd no- 
tions of a trade and gain by godliness; but 
condemn in loto cburch traffic and mer- 
chandizing in religion as onscriptural, as 
hegnn and carried on by Ami -Christ and 
the Bab\ lonish whore. Then let us come 
out from among them ajSd be separate, and 
touch nm the uncle in thing of niaking 
merchandize of the saints o'f God by our 
religion; but leave tie begging system to 
those who are to lazy to woik. and clloogo 
to aggrandize themselves bv begging and 
living on other men's labors, and thus vio- 
late tiie old Gospel law, if any man would 
not work be should not eat — and P nil's 

memberships into societies, & beg Tor a live- 
lihood who are able to work, and carry on 
a religious traffic in the cburch, the ten pie 
of God, by the aid of hired beggars and sub- 
scription runners — and from this day let 
the hands of union he broken and severed 
asunder, le->t we be piMnkers of their sins 
and sharers of their plagues, for adding 
these new crafts to make money to the 
Gospel and word of God — not known in 
the New T< lament, nor practised by our 

October 1,1835. 

We linvn se nl this aumbcr to several subscribers 

to us again. 

law, ye yourselves know tlv.se hands have) whose, term of subscription has expired, but will 
ministered lo my necessities aid them that I hereafter discontinue all such until their subscript 
were with me — and l^je laborer is worthy! tion is renewed. Should any others get this nurh? 
of his meat — without begging, and Ifttz- j ber.thatdo not wish tocontinneitthronghMieyear, 
ins, and devising plans to get it out oT they will please return the paper to the postmaster 
other men's pockets that an honest (Ten tie- I from whom they get it, whose duty it is to 'send it 
man would blusli at. How much more' 
should Gospel minister^, blush at picking 
other people's pocket* by promising to 
convert the word by money, and y el put 
a great part in therr own po kets; and foVm 
a trade of begging for hired beggars to live 
])>, to fleece mankind of their cr trigs bv 
teazing beggars — and thus annex lo the 
Gospel ol Chi ist an abominable, low life, 
selfish, speculative trade, for a set of hire- 
ling, to live by, that have been and are 
now a ruise to the Baptist society. Such 
a mean, defrauding practice and begging 
trade, is not warranted by the New Testa- 
ment nor provable therefrom; and is worse 
(ban the Church ol Rome, which annexed 
Jo the Gospel a trade of sale for her minis- 
ters to fleece the people by. Bui now the 
Baptists have instituted the trade of beg- 
ging, which in Our esteem is equally a- 
bo, mi. able in the sight of God, thus to 
moke a trade ol begging under the eolqr of 
Gospel requirement, when Christ has said 


Georgia, Monroe county, 
October 11/ h, 1S38. 
Dear brother Bennett: Peace be 
unto you. If I knew that the scnbblin'ga 
of a poor, ignorant, illitera'eclodJci ocker, 
would not prove efft n.sive to \ ou n"r x oue 
readers, I would write n few lines for the 
Primitive BapTisl; although it is considered 
b\ some people 'o be almost an unpardon- 
able sin, for an ignorant unlearned man to 
preach or v rite. But I am writing to my 
dear hro. Mark, who is strong in the faith, 
and is of full age, having his senses ever- 
ei sell, can discern good nnd evil, and con- 
st qoeiifly will bear the infirmities of the 
weak: and of course, will exercise his edi- 
torial duty and privilege of revising and 
correcting utgrammatical phrases — who is 
at liberty to publish all, a part, or none, 

lb- laborer is worth V ofhi| meat, and that of this scribble, 

pur Father feeds the fowls and clothes the The soft-shell Baptists, Methodisls. and 

],li os — how much more them, But these Armmian Presbyterians, have united, &e. 

nr n hid lather trust Boards and Convcn- rallied their forces, and are making forced 

tions for their hire than God, and live by marches through the country; shaking all 

being tured to beg in oilier people's names 
nnd a rule of their own make, than by the 
Gospel rule laid down by Christ and liis a 

Then let all the Baptists of the old stamp 
throughout the Statesand Territories come 
forward to our help, and letus all unite lo 

o the center, (but Old School Baptists. ) 
They have met on the half-way ground, 
each vvith his bundle of slicks, and have 
kindled the fire and have warmed them- 
selves by the 'ire (protracted, or as some, 
"of the' brethren call them, distracted meet- 
ings,) that they have kindled, the flamqs 

phtmitive baptist. 


of which rose to a prodigious height. But 
as t lie coo! season is gent 1 y rollng found, 
ih. it- blazing zeal appears to be gradually 
freezing up in the icicles of winter; or in 
other words, has taken winter quarters. j 
Protracted meetings are a branch of mis- j 
sionisin-, and are of Ishmaelitisfi progeny.; 1 ; 
the* remind me of ihe sifumach si nub", 
tlicri are sometimes fifteen . or twenty 
sprouts shoot up from one rout; if you find 
one ol these shrubs sanding off to itself, 
puil i< up, which you can easily do for the 
roots onl} run in the surface of. the earth, 
you will (inn ihe roots running back and 
connecting wi h the mother stock. Thus 
the whole hos. of missionism had their ori- 
gin in Catholicism, pull hem up, for their 
roots are just running in the soil and sur- 
face of -nature; and-you will find them cen- 
tering in modern priest craft. 

The blazing zeal of these soft-shel rites 
has raised a hue and cry about sending the 
gospel to the heathen, aiid I have come to 
the conclusion, that missionary priesteraft 
will eventual!} be instrumental in sending 
the gospel io the heathen in truth and veri- 
ty; for it is an undeniable fact,- that the 
iron hand of persecution has been instru- 
mental in sending the gospel to Ihe poor, to 
the heathen Geniile nations, from the days 
of John ihe Baptist until now. And when 
the litile foundling (missionism) arrives to 
full age, and aspires to his giant like 
-strength, his two lamb-iike horns begin to 
grow out, and he- begins to exercise all the 
power of the first beast, then the heathen 
will hear the pure unadulterated gospel of 
the Son of God. The isles thai are wait- 
ing for his law shall then icceive it* Our 
Saviour said unto his disciples, when they 
persecute you in o:;e city , flee to another. 
Matt. x. 23. The flood of persecution in 
the apostolic age was violent, of which the 
followers of Christ all received a liberal 
share. Witness Paul and Peter, James and 
John; behold them persecuted, cast out of 
the synagogue, bound with chains, cast into 
prison, stoned, whipped, &c. &.c. 

Now, j\ir. Missionary, if you will 
pr r'ach like Paul, and take Paul's pay, I 
will go with you heart and hand,- It is 
said, that old John at one time was cast 
into a cauldron of boiling oil, in order to 
destroy his life; but God that dwelt *\ith 
Daniel in the lion's den, that preserved the 
three Hebrews in the midst of the burning 
fiery furnace, was with and supported old 
John in Ihe cauldron of boiling oil. God's 
work through his servant John was not 

finished. Well, old fellow, if we cannot 
scald you to death, we will banish you to 
some barren uninhabited Island, where 
hunger and famine with the scorching rays* 
of the sun will soon end your career; ^all 
this the handy work of persecution.) 

Think, my brethren, pause for a mom: n\;> 
wretched rebellious man with all his cun- 
ning c fiii.tss and deep laid schemes can- 
not prostrate (he eternal wills and snails of 
Jehuvah. God's eternal put pose was ac- 
complished through his servant while on 
the isle o! Patmos. lie there by an eye 
of revelation saw thing-! concerning the 
church, p.-st, present, and to coriie;*ahd the 
Spirit said unto him", thai thou seest write 
in a book. These things were written for 
our learning and are profitable for doctrine, 
ibr reproof,' for correction , for instruction 
in rigBtedushess; that the man of God may 
be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all 
good works. Was it noi persecution that 
broughl Roger Williams to North America,' 
then a. 1 almost unbroken wilderness? — 
Directed by a kind' ami gracious God,' 
his lot was cast wnere now stands tho 
beautiful city of New Providence? There, 
without money and without price, iie 
preached to the few English and Dutch 
settlers, and native s&vagea,*the unsearch- 
able riches of Christ. Thus we see that 
persecution sent the gospel to America, 
and no doubt with me; but" missionary per- 
secutions will eventually send the true 
evangelical gospel to the istes that are afar 

Now, my brethren, I am not a prophet 
nor the son of a prophet; but I think 1 can 
tell when these things will come to pass. 
When the missionaries gei sufficient 
strength to effect hi' great design they have 
in viev\, i. e. to lille ery office in the Uni- 
ted States, from President down to consta- 
ble, with men who nave come through a 
regular course of study at a theological se- 
minary, when this is -accomplished, law re- 
ligion follows; for it is one ot the same 
stock. Wo be unto Old School Baplisis in 
that day. Paul's fare (forty live, times 
save one,) and worse will be yours. When 
persecuted in one city you may flee to 
another; (but my brethren have consola- 
tion.) Blessed are ye when men shall re- 
vile you and persecute you, and shall say 
1 all manner of evil against you falsely for 
' my name sake. Rejoice and be exceeding 
glad, for great is your reward. For so pei- 
secuted they the prophets, which were ue- 
1 fore- you. After Peter and John hau been 



stoned, they were let go and commanded to 
speak no more in (he name of Jesus. They 
went unto their own company, and there 
rejoiced that they were Worthy to sit fie r 
share for his name. 

If they do these things' in the green tree 
what will they do in the dry? Law reli- 
gion, in ray humble conception, is tire fan 
that will kindle trie flames of persecution 
to the highest degree. If that is ever ef- 
fected in the United States, wo be unto 
jimorica in that day. Put off thy beautiful 
o'rnam nts, O daughter of Zio'n. Clothe 
thyself in sackcloth and sit in ashes, and 
weep and howl for the Misery that will 
come upon you. Old School Baptists 
would be put to death indiscriminately, 
men, women and children; no regard to 
age or sex: he murdered like sheep in a 
market; put to death with as little ceremo- 
ny as the priest-ridden Santa Ana massa,- 
crce< Col. Fanning and his little heroic 
Spar! a hand. 

Bro. Bennett, lam swelling this commu- 
nication larger than I contemplated doing; 
and the tale is only half told. The re- 
mainder of which I leave for another epis- 
tle. And may the God of all grace ever 
he with, keep and preserve you safe through 
the flood and storm of time, is the prayer 
of your unworthy brother. 



Georgia, Richmond county,} 
Nov. 3d, 1838. S 

Brother Bennett: It is with pleasure 
1 receive and read your paper, as I believe 
it contains the truth and spirit of the gos- 

We have hard struggles and contentions 
with the missionaries h'efe, and can only 
Say, "The sword of the Lord, and of Gid- 
eon" — and in hope that you and all our 
Olrl School brethren will pray for us. 

I must close my letter, dear brother, by 
saying, the Lord bless you and your labors. 
Yours in gospel bonds. 



Lynchburg Tennessee* ^ 
Nov. 16/A, 1838. > 
Brother Editor: I have been travel- 
ling so much this fall among the churches, 
that I have not as yet had an opportunity of 
writing in full what has been for some time 

in mind; but as I am now on the last ton/ 
I I expect to take until the winter breaks, 
| except visiting those churches that are look- 
ing to me for a supply, I now will say 
that the most of the Baptists here are of 
the Old School, and I trust will e<er re- 
main on the old foundation — for we have 
received a kingdom that cannot be moved. 
I hope that you will not think of discon- 
tinuing your paper, as it is gaining in cir- 
culation and rallying together the sheep. 
1 must stop short, as it is meeting time. 
Your partner in tribulations, though un- 
worthy, WM S. SMITH. 


Georgia, Houston county, 
October 10th, 1838 

Dear brother Bennett: I think vour 
paper is doing much good in this section. 
If brother Lawrence could write again, I 
should like it very well; but your paper is' 
good enough, although some of our sub- 
scribers wish brother Lawrence to write 
more. Our Association, and the churches 
that compose it, are in peace at present, 
(the Eciiaconna.) 

So nothing more at present, but remain- 
ing 3*our brother in the gospel though en- 
tire strangers. 



Hyde county, N. C. > 
Sept. 91 h, IS 38. $ 
Dear brother Bennett : I have been 
taking the Primitive this is the third year, 
and am well pleased with the contents 
thereof; for I can hear of my brethren that 
I never saw, and I feel glad that I can, for 
I am a poor unfortunate creature. But I 
try to be content with my lot, and trust to 
him tor his grace to serve in time of need. 
I try to look to him for food and raiment, 
hut my faith is small and my hope little, F 
think at times almost none; but at other 
times a little hope. I should be glad to' 
continue to take your paper, but Sm hard 
run to get food and raiment, for t have 
none to labor but myself that is but little ac- 
count, and as such you can do as you please; 
you can give or not, for 1 am all that takes 
your paper. And why? I think that they 
are tohl of their own meanness so often and 
so plain, that they do no not like that so 
well. But they sa) r , go preach and do not 
write; but I say, write and come and preach 



'in Hyde county, 1'f the Lord says go there, 
or any where else; that the Lord says, 
go prcch ihe gospel to every creature, anil 
i have not found the plane that says do not 
write to any of your brethren. But the 
aposdes did write totheir biethi en, and no 
doubt, but it was to their consolation; for 
it is to me, to hear that the Lord is deliv- 
ering my dear brethren that I never saw 
from under the oppression of the schemes 
af the day. And how beautiful it is for 
brethren to dwell together in peace. 
I remain yours in love, 



Gadsden county, Florida, 
Nov 26th, 183S. 
Brother Bennett: We have all re- 
ceded your paper the Primitive Baptist, 
and we are well pleased with them. i 
hope you will excuse me for being thus 
short. So f remain in the bonds of Chris 
tian love. JAMES ALDERMAN. 


Jefferson county, East Tennessee, 
Dec. 4th, 1S3S 

Brother Bennett: We have receiv- 
ed the papers that we sent to you for. We 
feel very much gratified that our request 
has been so speedily granted, and 1 hope 
that the brethren are well pleased in' read- 
ing them. 

Dear brother, I have just returned off 
a journey in the west end of this State, and 
from the best information from my best 
friends I can say, that heart-cheering and 
soul-reviving religion, to outward appear- 
ance, is almost banished from the society 
of men. And as one said of old: Is there 
not a cause? 1 think there is, and it is 
this: that the ministry of the present day, 
(a few excepted,) have left the commission 
behind, and have started a new dispensa- 
tion, which 1 shall call a money dispensa- 
tion; which they by their continual beg- 
ging and receiving money have so cramp- 
ed the feelings of the few Elijahs, that it is 
the most difficult time to preach the doc- 
trine of the cross that 1 ever experienced in 
my life. Let me go where 1 will I hear 
the cry, money, money, and it says, a 
corrupt minister, and of course, a corrupt 
doctrine; ail corruption from first to last. 
And it is my opinion, that the devil has 

more religion at. this time in the world than 
the Lord Jesus Christ. 

Dear brother, encourage the subscribers 
for your paper, that they be faithful to their 
trust, in preaching the truth for Jesus' 
sake, and in praying that truth may pre- 
vail, and in writing the truth for 3 oii : to 
send it to all the dear brethren that take 
your paper, that we may all get a crumb 
of truth to eat. And may the Lord crown 
your labors and all \ our assistant e in rM)b- 
lishing the Primitive Baptist, is the sin- 
cere prayer of j pur unworthy brother in 
gospel bonds. 



Athens, Georgia, Dec. 3d, 1S3S. 

Dear brother Bennett: The p; pers- 
I sent for come very regular, and we are 
delighted with the doctrine and informs-* 
tion therein contained. We therefor- send 
for four more copies. 

And may the Lord enable you and us 
to stand fast in' the liberty wherewith 
Christ hath made us free; and having done" 
all to stand, having our loins girt about with 
intth, and having on the breastplate of 
righteousness, and our feet shod with the 
preparation of t he gospel of peace. Above 
all, taking the shield of faith,- wherewith 
we shall be able to quench all the fiery darts 
of the wicked. 

1 am your unworthy brother in the bonds 
of the'gospel. 


If you would not reproach the gospel nor 
yourself, make no apology before pleach- 
ing it. 



North Carolina. — J. Biggs, Sen. Williamston 
R. M. G. Moore, Gcrmanton. W. VV. Mizell, Ply- 
mouth. Jacob Swindell, Washington, James .Sou- 
the.rland, Warren ton. Alfred Partin, Raleigh'. 
Charles Mason, ltoxboro\ James Wilder, An- 
derson's Store. Benj. Bynum, Speight's Bridge. H. 
Avera, Jverasboro'. Parham Pucket, Richlands. 
John H. Keneday, Chalk Level. Burwell Tem- 
ple, Wake county. Obadiah Sowell, Rogers' P. O. 
Geo. W. McNeely, Leaksville. David J. Mott, 
Long Creek Bridge, Ely Holland, SmitJifield. 
James Dobson, Sareda. Stephen Rogers, Holly 
Spring. James H. Sasser, Waynesboro'. John 
Fruit, Sandy Creek. L. B. Bennett, Heathvilte, 
Jas. P. Daniel, Sfantonsburg. Willis L. Gooch, 
Buffalo Hill. Alfred Ellis, Strabane, Cor's Ca- 
naday, Carterettsville. Thomas Vass, Jr. Waterloo 
William Welch. Abbott's Creehx 



South Carolina. — Wm. Hardy, Saluda Hill, 
James Hembree, Sera. Jliidereon C. 11. Frederick 
Ross, Cambridge. John Ggrribrell, Big Creak 
Mils. Lewis Shiflreil, Silver Glade. B. Law- 
rence, Effingham, James Burris, Sen. Bold 
Spring. ' William S. Shaw, Bock Mils. 

Georgia. —William Mosely, Bear Qreek. Edw. 
S. Duke, Fayetleville. A. Cleveland, McDoiioitgli. 
James Henderson, Monticcllo. A. B. if eitl, 
Brownsri/h. John SicKenfley^ Forsyth. Antho- 
ny Holloway, Z Pairiok M. Calhoun, 
KrioxvUk. Jr. M! Rocki re, Mountain Creek. 
Edm'd (Stewart, fjootensvdfe. Rowell Reese, 
Eatonton. Thomas Ai ni -. Ixxyigton. Jonathan 
Neel, Macon. Charles P. Hansford, Union Hill. 
John W. Turner, Pleasant Hill. Joshua Bowdoin, 
Mdairsville. R.Toler, Upuloic. Wiiliam it. Moore, 
Mn Hurry Grove. Clark Jackson, Fart Gaines.i John 
G.ayden, Frcikl/n. John SS. Keith, Lul/ursvil/e. 
P. li. Edwards, Georgetown, Win. Trice, Tlio- 
maston. William Bovvden, Union Valley. Ezra 
McCrary, Warrcnton. Wiley Pearce, Cairo. G. 
W. Holificld, Vernc.r. 13. Pace, Clean Town. 
Lewis Peacock, Berry. Vaehal D. Wliatley, 
BarhesviUe. Alex. Garden, Mount Monte. Tho- 
rjQas 1. Johnson, Newnan. Elias 0. Hawthorn, 
Bainbridge. John G. Wintringham, Hatlpca. Wil- 
liam M. Amos, Grcejivit'le. Randolph Arnold, 
Latimer's Store. Peter ltockmore, Clinton. Jo- 
siali Stovall, Aquillu. G. P. Cannon, Cul/oden- 
villc. Jason Greer, Indian Springs. William 
MeEIvy, A'lapulgus.. Furna Ivey, Milledgeville. 
William Garrett, Tutlter's Cabin. Jesse Moore, 
Irwinton. Leonard Pratt, WldtesviUe. Thomas 
A. Sullivan, Decatur. Thomas J. Johnson, New- 
nan. 1L J' Hendon. Corinth. Robert 13. Mann, 
Chesnut Grove. William Tippit, Cedar Branch. 
A. G. Simmons, Hickory Grove John Lanhon. 
Chcnuba. Thomas d [Vice, Hillsbaro'i John 
Herington, Welkorn , s Mills', John MoGorquo- 
dale, Farchilala, James P. Ellis, PnieviWe. ••hu- 
niale J. Sloan, Chesnut //ill. French Haggard, 
Athens. He.ury Barron, Jackson, John Murray, 
Fort VaWey. 

Alabama. — L. R. Mosely, Oahawba, A. Kea- 
ton, McCpnieo, John Blaekstone, Lu Fuyettc. W. 
\V. Carlisle, Fredonik. Henry Dance, Daniel's 
Prairie. Web. W. Walker, Liberty Hill. Dan'l 
Gafford, Greenville. Samuel Moore. Snow Hill. 
John G. Walker, Milton. Henry Williams, Ha- 
vana. Samuel Clay, Mount Hebron. John F. Lo- 
vett, Mount Pleasanti Ellas Daniel, Church Hill. 
John Bonds, Clinton, David .] vhuston, Leighton. 
Joel H. Chambless, Lowsville. Adam McCreary, 
Brooklyn. Josiah Jones, Jackson. David Jacks, 
New Market. Sherrod W. Harris, Vienna. John 
McQueen, Graves' Ferry. William Talley, 
Mount M or iuh, Graddy Herririg, Clayton. GiVV. 
Jeter, Pint Lala, Samuel C ■ Johnson, Pl'.usum 
Grove. William Crutcher, Hunfsville. \\ illiam 
Hi Cook, Pickensvilte. Seaborn Hamrick, Plan- 
tersnlle. Eli McDonald, Paynesbille, Maik Por- 
ter, Demopolis. William Melton, Blujj Port. 
James Si Morgan, Dayton. Win, Hyde, Gaines- 
ville, Bums Daniel, Jamcston, Anderson W. 
Bullard, Tusgegee, J. L. Patten, Bellefonte, 
Frederick Hincs, Gastarit 

Tennessee. — A. V. Farmer, Blair's Ferry. M. 
H. Sellers, Ten Mle. William Patrick, Pojalai 
Corner. Michael Burkbalier, Chee/esville As; 
Biggs, Denmark. Trio's K. Clingan, Smith's y, 

Roads. William K. Pope, Philadelphia. Aaron 
Co'japton, Somerr.ille. Charles '. i endt i spn , I rery 
Iron Works. Asa Newport, Mtcxm.llo, James 
Mahlden,J 2 aw^iwew. A. Burroughs. '4 r esle]j. Wm. 
Croom, Jackson. Daniel Briggs, Decatur. Glem- 
mons Sand; rs, Mount Vernon. Daniel Webb, 
Lexington. Sion Bass, 'Three Fork*, John W. 
Springer, Sugar Creek. W. A. Bowdou, JJoyds- 
ville, Smith. Han^lwough* Jacks Creek, \\ illiam 
Si Smith, Winchester. Isham Simmons, Cal'toun. 
Thomas Hill, Sevierville. J. E. Donthitt, IAjnch- 
burg, C.T. Echols, Mifflin. Aaron Tison, Mtdon. 
Levi Kirkland, Waverly. Abner Steed, Faye'te- 
ville, Henry Randolph. Sno/ly.-;vil/e, Pleasant E. 
Witt, Cheek'ttfBoads, J, Cooper, Unionv, : \\e. 

Mississippi. --Jesse Battle, Meridian Springs. 
James D. Williams, Duilvilfc VVorsham Mann,' 
Columbus. Nil as Dobbs, Brooklyn. Henry Pet- 
ty. Z-on. William Huddleston, Thomaston. Na- 
than Tims. Kosciusko, . 

Florida i— James Alderman, China Grove, Da- 
vid Callavay, V U trry Lake, 

Louisiana. — Peter Bankston, tylarburyvMle. 

Missouri. — Calvin Newport, Harmony. 

Illinois. — Richard M. Newport, Grand View. 
James Marshall, Salem. Joel Fergjisoti," Danville • 

Indiana. — Peter Saltzman; New Harmony. M. 
W. Sellers, Jeffersoyiville. Isaac W, Denman, 
GaWatin, Zaehariah MeClure, Terre Haute. 

Ohio. — Joseph II. Flint, Hamilton. R. A. Mor- 
ten, Fulton. John B. Moses, German/on, 

Kentucky. — Jona. H.Parker, Salem. Tho. Pi 
Dudley. Lexington. Sanford Connelly ', Shelhyvi 'ild 

Virginia. — Kemuel C. Gilbert, Sydnorsville, - 
Rudolph Rorer, Berger's Store. John Clark, Fre- 
dericksburg. E. Harrison, Ilenrigscille. Wm. 
W. West, Dumfries. Joseph H. Eanes, Callarfd's, 
William Burns, Halifax C, II, George \\ . San- 
ford, Harrisonburg. Jesse Lankford, Bowers's, 

Dis. Columbia. — Gilbert Beebe, Alexandria. 

^nnsvlvania. — Hezekiah West, South Hill. 
Joseph Hughes, Gu.ni, 'Tree. Nathan Everitt, 
Cllillicouts Tun:).. 

New Jersey. — W 7 m Patterson, Suckasunny. 

W isconsin Ter. — M. W. Darnall, Blue liiver. 


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R..\vdl Uccsf, 5 

William i'ippit, 5 

James Alderman, 5 

Win. II. Cook, I 

Wm. Welch, $3' 
Asa MrCrary, I 
E. H. Matliis, 10 
Jonathan .\ecl, 5 
James P. Abney, 1 
Henry Randolph, 5 

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Sumptcr county, Mabama, \ 
1st Nov. 1838. 5 

Honored beloved brother: "Hon- 
esty is the best policy." Its truth and 
verity, as yet, have never failed; no, nor 
never will. May we love it from real 
principle, and all its minutest, lovely, at- 
tracting, numerous meanderings and ex- 
cellencies of benevolence and rectitude 
cherish and promote; may it he our idol to. 
love and encourage. "An honest man's 
the noblest work of God" — Pope. 

Agreeably to a former promise, in one 
of my scrolls, I here present you with in 

refragable, though a casting, obscure, obli- 
terating mist for a while may be attached 
and overthrown; having the semblance, 
only the appearance of truth, though a lie 
in abstract, its perfidious origin; ultimate-^ 
ly, however, TRUTH will triumph, and 
preponderate, and shine with splendor in 
her native attracting effulgence and beauty; 
and that too in despite of all opposition. 

Let us not then,- my bro. be dismayed, 
nor entertain a shadow of .doubt. God is 
a God of truth and verity, and the truth 
he will make manifest with all its concomi- 
tant relatives, and that in due time; exone 
rating and acquitting the innocent and af- 
flicted, to the visible dismay and utter con- 
fusion of the numerous opposing perverse 
implacable assailants. 

The Minutes of the Union Association, 
particularly respecting tiie Friendship 

dclible notorious facts; with all deference, j church, &c". is arTabstruse, palpable, errone* 
it is presumed, that the following is the re- ! ous, and a notorious representation; in plain 
lative truth, the whole truth, and nothing j terms, falsities, lies in concert, in the gross, 
but ihe truth; which can be reach'ly and 'the aggregate; which they know assuredly 
uniformly authenticated and established, to be such, which they have connived at, 

by a host and innumerable attestations; 
though the adverse, the opposing ones, no 
doubt, have the hardihood, the effrontery 
aud barefacednes^-lo deny, calumniate and 
gainsay. But, fortunately, they cannot 
even palliate nor extinguish, no, not a par- 
ticle hereof, upon just, equitable, perma- 
nent, safe ground. Had they an atom or 
particle of moral sensibility and rectitude 
attached, they would inevitably blush and 
be totally confounded, at the present noto- 
rious plain recitation; for assuredly they 
must and do know it to be truth. What is 
it pray, that poor, corrupt, depraved, con- 
taminated nature will not stoop and con- 
descend to? especially too, when instiga- 
ted, urged, and influenced by the arch 
fiend the devil in accordance. Truth is ir- 

and are therefore in truth and verity ac- 
complices and abettors in infamy and re- 
proach. Their object and malignant in- 
tention is too plain and obvious to need 
comment; it was however to abuse, to make 
little and mean; and to raise, to promote 
and to exalt a number of sinking, perverse, 
noted characters, at the intended woful ex- 
pense and cost of others. 0! shame! 
shame! meanness in extreme, the ab- 

For the present I will now leave them 
to their own direful reflections, and come 
immediately to the intended promised re- 
cital of matters of fact, as they stand rela- 
ted just as they occurred; leaving the re- 
sult for a moment to the judicious, impar- 
tial and upright to determine. 



WE, the baplized church ofChrist, Friend- 
ship, Mount Pleasant, Greene county, Al- 
abama, in conference collected, on Satur- 
day before second Lord's day, Nov. '38 y 
send df-r united love to the bro. Editor of 
the "Prim." 

Beloved bro., feeling it to be an impres- 
sive devolving duty for the particular en- 
tire satisfaction and consolation of our much 
esteemed brethren, the peculiar favorites of 
heaven in the various reg.ions.to make known 
and report our former afflicted doleful slate 
and ihe occurrences that led to it; and our' 
present dissimilar happy state of union and 
love, that is prevalent among us to our mu- 
tual joy and unspeakable satisfaction, since 
our entire and final separation from the 
Ashdods and all the disaffected perverse 
ones. We make the following true rela- 
tion of facts, hoping that the "Prim." and 
"Signs" will favor us with an insertion in 
their esteemed valuable papers. 

The Friendship was constituted in 1832, 
on the old original platform. We lived in 
peiice and mutual love and harmony until 
'36; in addition, we were highly favored 
and blessed with a young preacher by the 
name of Jer. Pearsall, holding his mem- 
bership with us during the peaceable 
time alluded to. In the year '36 our trou- 
bles commenced. A Mr. Tlio. Willing- 
ham, of notoriety, made his appearance 
among us from Tennessee, and was suspi- 
ciously received by letter. Mr. W. called 
himself a Baptist preacher, but we soon 
found to our regret, and sorrow, that we 
were sadly and reluctantly deceived. He 
advanced strange doctrine indeed, such thai 
we could not relish by no means; it was so 
corrupt, and foreign from what we had 
been accustomed. When he would in- 
troduce a text, it was nothing more for 
common but repetition of scripture from 
first to last, and corruptness with it; for 
confirmation of the correctness of our 
views, his own and the world admired and 
applauded his preaching talent. 

Mr. W. saw that bro. Pearsall was young 
and not ordained, and also discovered that 
he stood high indeed in the estimation of 
the Old Fashioned Baptists. Mr. W. un- 
dertook ta admonish and to council bro. P. 
He being so friendly, desirous for his good, 
lakes him out and cordially advises him to 
go to school for six months or more, other- 
wise he could not become by no moans an 
eminent or popular preacher, especially to 
the town gentlemen, &c. &c. Mr. W. as 
Confirmation of his peculiar and singular 

attachment to bro. P. , observed at the ssrn-S 
time, that if he would be oh orvani and take 
his friendly advice then given, he would ve- 
ry cheerfully intercede with the church, &xv 
in his behalf for schooling, and recommend 
the seminary for the purpose. The reply 
of bro. P. was, he preached not to please 
men, nor did he require the wisdom of the 
schools to make a gospel preacher. Soon 
after, bro. P. was ordained and set apart 
to the work. The church soon urged fos 
a minister io be called to the pastoral care 
of the church. W. opposed the measure, 
observing that he P. belonged to the 
church, and that he was their servant. The 
reason was very plain indeed, he knew 
from every concurrent circumstance that' 
he would not be chosen. At length the 
church determined and resolved to give a 
call, and set the time. The time rolled- 
round, we went into a special call. Bro. 
P. was designated and chosen. Mad- 
ness and ill-will was visible, plain to be 
seen, on the part of W. and his gang, 
who had crept in among us in like manner, 
but not without suspicion, which has since 
been wofully realized. 

Mr. W., after bro. P. was chosen as our 
pastor, moved for a committee to be ap- 
pointed to arrange preaching for the year; 
which was granted, but still it was nothing, 
in his supposed desirous favor. The com- 
mittee' always would leave him out neglect- 
ed, which mortified him still more and 
worse. To be avenged on poor despised 
Mordecai the Jew, and church too, while 
bro. P. was preaching he would then get 
his large book his constant companion, (a 
collection of florid sermons, it is presumed,} 
and place himself in the very front of the 
congregation, under bro. P.; as though he 
was his preceptor and the preacher his pu- 
pil, and would lurn from page to page ob- 
serving vcry r minutely and cautiously too, 
not forgetting the audience in the mean- 
while lo see if they noticed him indeed, 
how little he thought of his pupil or nov- 
ice, as he would sometimes term him; he 
would pretend to consult the large book, all 
the time his pupil was preaching. When- 
ever W. was admitted to preach, he would 
request, to discourse first; he was certain, 
however, to occupy nearly all the time, 
and sometimes the whole — none for P. 

In '37, W. rose in conference, apparent 
ly mad indeed, and very abruptly stated 
that P. was a sower of discord wherever he 
went; and also remarked, that said bio. had 
made an effort to turn out a bro. Chiles, of 



Canaan church. Bro. P. denied llie charge, 
and observed to the brethren to bear in 
mind., what was said. Mr. W. began lo 
shift a little and snap't. He then asserted 
he heard so from four members of the Bap- 
tist order, bro. Chiles being one. of the num- 
ber. Bro. P. went to Canaan church and 
slated the circumstance, and Canaan church 
cordially g;ive him a certificate, declaring 
in positive terms, that the assertion of W. 
was notoriously false; also said church sent 
messengers to us, who proved it to be a 
lie, a palpable malicious lie. Bro. Chiles 
was present with us and stated he "never 
told W. so, neither had he seen him during 
the alluded time!!!" and of course the ac- 
cusation was false beyond a doubt. At 
next meeting this same thing was introdu- 
ced between bro. P. and W., who then and 
there did peremptorily deny and assert, 
that he never said that bro. P. had made 
an effort to turn out any member whatever. 
It was proven to his face in open confer- 
ence, that he did accuse him in the present 
instance, and many other similar lies in 
the gross. A little time previous to this, 
one of our deacons wished and made amo- 
tion for an amendment to our covenant; not 
that he wished any alteration in the abstract, 
no, far from it, he expressed what he want- 
ed; he had it expressed in writing, so that 
it was well understood by them boih. The 
bro. deacon and Mr. VV. were chosen to at- 
tach the same to our covenant, but they 
failed to do so. 

The church had become so confused and 
perplexed, the bro. deacon informed the 
church that he could not stay with them if 
they retained W., for that he could not by 
no means fellowship W. ; and other mem- 
bers told W. in like manner, and remark- 
ed, that we had better by far separate, and 
for it to be in peace as near as possible. W. 
replied and said, he preferred and would 
rather suffer an exclusion. We used eve- 
ry laudable exertion to part in desirable 
peace, but all to no effect. At our next 
meeting, however, we came to the resolu- 
tion determinately to come out from 
among them, so that we declared non-fel- 
lowship with all missionary operations in 
toto. The vote was taken, all in favor of 
the suppression of the missionary effort de- 
clare the same by a rise from seats;. five 
rose in favor of the protest and six in oppo- 
sition; before, however, they resumed all 
their seats, a worthy sister rose and object- 
ed, and reflected on her own conduct, ob- 
serving that she did not at the very time 
fully understand the consequent motion 

and result, and urged for her vote to beta- 
ken, for she was '"determined and would 
go with the Old Side." 

Her vote, however, was meanly and un- 
precedentedly objected to bv W. and his 
party, knowing it would be decided against 
them. He and his party not agreeing and 
submitting lo justice and equity-, does it al- • 
ter the case? Is a man, or set of men, to 
be rewarded for villany and injustice? The 
fact is, he was, and his party too, reluctant- 
ly were gratified in their preference, if it 
was the truth; they are indeed excommu- 
nicated, and what else can it be? every im- 
partial, honest upright man will give veto 
against; they cannot in justice do other- 
wise than to give the casting determination 
in our favor. This W. and others have 
sense enough to know, they were wrong. 
What is it then? they lack honor, they do 
not love virtue, in all its operations; justice 
and rectitude are deficient to an odious de- 
gree, or else they would not endeavor to 
palm such a barefaced imposition and per- 
sist in it too. Their assertion in justifica- 
tion does not alter nor better their case, it 
only makes bad worse. It is an indelible 
mark, no good will ever attend it, but an 
awful impending reverse. 

In the result we informed them, that we 
were the church and that the house of 
course was the church's, and that we had 
contributed to the building of the same; 
and not one of them had it cost a cent. 
W. objected and replied and said, that he 
would have the house, at the risk of a law- 
suit; in addition too, demanded the church 
book. We told him he should not, for we 
had possession and that we would keep it. 
One of our brethren who had gifted the 
book, inadvertently, being agitated, (they 
still persisting,) told them plainly they 
should not have the book without they 
paid for it. The party readily paid the 
bro. for the book, contrary to the church; 
the worthy bro. saw his error, when too 
late, for advantages they were seeking. 
The next day, however, he offered the mo- 
ney back, they refused; he plead igno- 
rance and was sorry, but to no effect. It 
was an individual act, and not the church's. 

On Lord's day met. The meeting be- 
fore, we had received a member by experi- 
ence, who was to be baptized at the present 
meeting. The candidate made choice of 
and preferred bro. P. to baptize her. So 
we proceeded to the pool to administer the 
ordinance, accompanied by all the Old 
Side, not a few; all the New gentry being 
at the house. While in the act of prayer 



at the pool, a ruffian of a fellow crime with I sent. The countenance of the man visibly 
a whip from the house, brandishing il a- fell, his mouth w<'«s closed, his tongue rcfu- 
mong us, drove off and dispersed the sed its office, he was completely silenced, 
blacks, the most of which were members of he could not reply. Wo felt for him,*tho r 
said church; a dog at the same time Was our enemy, and we feel regret on ihe p re- 
plunged into the pool, a repetition was sent reluctant ociasion. It is disagreeable 
made of the same outrage previous to the" to 'as all, ba-t imperious duty calls aloud. 
candidate, with an horrid exclamation lhat j He and his perverse party have compelled 
the dog should and must be baptized first?! us. The blessed ineffable cause has forced 
There is no resiing doubt, but what all this us thu3 to a disagreeable resort, 
proceeded frc-m the instigation and infkf-j Mr. VV. incorrectly Seated in the Asgo- 
ence of the missionary spirit at the house!? elation, that the church gave up the 
We then went to the house and proposed (church) book to him, and that he h'adloan- 
to the others, that we would take the house cd it to us from our promise that we would 
and pay them whatever was right, or that return k the next da}'. The same wis 

they might have the house and they pay 
OS whatever was fair and equitable. A 
wretched man,; an excommunicated foreign- 

proven to be false likewise in the extreme. 
After a lengthy, cor.fuscd, irritated dis- 
cussion, the Association agreed to come to- 

er. who was friendly to the party, replied . a final determination, and put to vote the 
in their behalf, that they would keep the relative said two letters. The count be- 
house and pay for it. They have not yet hold resulted in a tic of 26. Some of the 
complied, and that is not the worst, for we ' missionists ohjecled, however, and re- 
firmly believe that it was not their inten- quos'ed a recount, which was readily and 
tion from the first! One of our brethren cordially granted. The bro Moderator 1 
was liberal indeed, and so wei*o they all requested al! to give back, as he wished for" 
to the building, he adva"ced about $~89U a fair equitable chance; which wascomplied 
We, however, were turned out to occupy with, so that the members composing the 
the big house, but since we are comfortably Association could easily be designated, 
fixed with a good meeting house, and it is The vote was the second time taken, and 
much !• sorted to and a goodly number ad- the tale resulted in the same, i. e. 26 to- 
ded since. Praise the Lord for liisunme-; each. And there was a young man a 
rited goodness to us! j preacher, a Mr. Barnes, of their own par- 

The Association being near, we sent let- ty, stood at the back of the bro. Modera- 
tor and messengers. VV. and party done I for, both in the pulpit, and counted with 
so likewise, Met on Friday agreeably to j the Moderator, send did more than once 
appointment, letters called for and read, say, that the Moderator had counted right. 
Two letters from Friendship church, u»- And many others asserted the same, both 
der same name, were introduced; they of the Association and bystanders, who 
were laid aside until Saturday, moved and 'were numerous in a large crowded house, 
approved. On Saturdaj the case was a-JThe counts were truly eorrect, beyond a 

gain introduced, to ascertain which of the 
two letters represented the trice church. 
Each party made their several relations 

donor, so said they all. 

In the meantime, beloved bro., let us 
here observe, though shameful to relate in- 

Mr VV., however, made not a few false deed, that one ot their number that voted 

relations, which were satisfactorily proven 
to the ssociation to be lies, and to thesur- 

was not a member; this, our bro., wcean 
authenticate and fully establish beyond a 

rounding numerous anxious spectators, ! solitary doubt, a-nd to the part confusion and 

who evidently saw with us and deplored 
our unhappy singular situation. One of 
the false erroneous items was, that he, W., 
never had courted, neither had he ever 
wished and desired the pastoral care of 
Friendship church. A worthy bro. in- 
deed, Elder Albrook, arose immediately 
and cooly, dispassionately, and minutely, 
related concurrently all the relative cir- 
cumstances, when, where, and how. It 
was a flat contradiction in terms in the ag- 
gregate, to the entire satisfaction of all pre- 

shameof some. The bro. Moderator au- 
thoritatively pronounced P. and col- 
leagues in connection to be the trite church, 
and they were cordially by the Moderator, 
&c. invited to seats, and their names en- 
rolled, and they participated with them. 
And W.- and his had shamefully and dis- 
gracefully to evacuate theirs — so much for 
their arrogant assumption. 

On Mor 
The opposing ones still restless, malignity 
was visible, their all, as it were, wds at 

inlay, again the Association met. 




-Stake; they could not be satisfied, they 
wanted to be avenged. TRUTH was like 
to triumph, their lofty aspiring pride would 
be too much sullied indeed for endurance, 
♦ •We cannot, nor wiirvie endure and sub- 
mit; wi.at for the chieftain, our mighty be- 
loved one to be so disgraced, it will never 
<lo. We must continue our laudable effort, 
xt may be we shall ihis time succeed Let 
us all unite our exertions, we cannot tell at 
ibis momentous 1?irae what the devil has in 
reserve lor as. Every true peculiar man 
stand firm at his assumed designated post, 
and be courageous and determinate, and 
the probability is, we shall nam succeed. 
So let us go at it again with all our might, 
sticking close to the watchword, surmount- 
ing every difficulty at the expense of 

The missionists on this day, (Monday.) 
urged and urged again-, being now for cer- 
tainty well prepared and all well accou- 
tred, victoriously to decide the disputed 
ground for a second recount, arid impeach- 
ed the Moderator; and that he had erred. 
Mr. B lines, above noticed, rose up in the 
hack part of the house and confirmed the 
above assertion; and remarked and stated, 
that he saw when and where he made the 
mistake — after he declaring frequently on 
Saturday, thai he the bro. Moderator was 
correct in his count! This does not sound 
harmoniously, something must be in tin- 

Ah! we had like to have forgotten. 
Behold! there was a suspension from Sat- 
urday until Monday; hostilities had cea- 
sed, time enough indeed for consultation, 
giving a fair opportunity for the above pro? 
ject to be well matured and effected 

The bro. Moderator at length came to 
the manly laudable resolve, finally to part 
for good; wisely observing in the result, 
,"that it was impossible to live with them in 
peace any longer" — and gave notice, to 
'•all that would go with him, to follow 
him;" which they cheerfully did, leaving 
the residue to their own impotent and ma- 
licious reflections. 

Immediately after, Mr. W., their peculiar 
favoiite was invited to aseat among them, 
and in the result of their meeting was high- 
ly distinguished. This, though, is not to 
be wondered at, for "birds of a feather will 
flock together." 

w Attest, JAS. B. McDONALD, Clk. 

It is reported among us, that the "Index" 

has represented, that Pearsall is excommu- 
nicated; if this were the first of the. many 
erroneous assertions, the present the only 
one, it might and would afford some plea for 
in apology, a mitigation. Had the Mr. Edi- 
tor only attended strictly and minutely to 
truth, and the inconsistencies of the Min- 
utes of the Union Association, he must and 
would, it is presumed, have seen a palpa- 
ble, an ocular demonstra'ive contradiction 
in terms, without additional reference and 
suggestions from anv calumniating individ- 
ual whatever. "But there are none so 
blind as them that, will not see " So far 
indeed from P being excluded, he has at 
this time, the care of four large reputed 
churches, and could have the envious ad- 
dition of as many more, could he attend 
them; he is so much esteemed and belov- 
ed, in decided laudable preference to their 
renowned celebrated missionaries, by all 
the peculiat favored sons of Zion. This is 
gall and vinegar to them, they cannot en- 
dure it, it is impossible. No better crite- 
rion, however, can be offered to discrimi- 
nate and to ascertain with accuracy, which 
of the two contending parties are right, 
the good Book being judge. It is true, 
very true, and certain beyond successful 
contradiction, that Willingham and his col- 
leagues were excommunicated; and that 
too, by the church and Association. And 
the proceedure of the church was ratified 
and confirmed by the Association in opin- 
ion, and every good man present deny it 
in truth if you can. Be certain to intro- 
duce truth, however, truth — keep from 
dishonorable evasions, artifices, and .subter- 
fuges, and lies, and come into the honora- 
ble open field. This we know, however, 
you will not do — we appeal again to the 
good Book. Mr. W. and colleagues were 
compelled, and reluctantly had to evacuate 
their degraded seats and had to give way to 
the despised little few; and P. and bis 
were pronounced openly and publicly to 
be the true church, and cordially were in- 
vited to resume their honored seats again. 
This is truth, a stubborn, an indelible fact. 
When seen and confirmed, it was general 
satisfaction among the anxious surrounding 
host. Joy was diffused, exultation was 
apparently visible. Deny the truth and 
welcome, it belongs to the missionary spi- 
rit; cherish, nurse, and foster it to maturi- 
ty, it then vvill be like the "adder, return 
you evil for intended good." 

At the time the bro. Moderator pro- 
nounced P. and his colleagues were the 



true church, there was no rendered objec- 
tion; the reception and exclusion were 
previous and before the Association had 
separated. This you cannot in connection 
with truth deny. Pray why not exclude 
the rest with P.? There was as much 
consistency in bolh, as the one that was 
exempted. The reason is obvious, it is 
presumed, without further remark. 

The poor despised Mordecai, the "No. 
Carolina boy," is an eye-sore, a grief, to 
many in this region. The reasons are ob- 
vious: he is too plain and determinate, too 
popular and renowned for the New School 
gentry to endure. He too often unroosts 
them and brings their dark concerted nefa- 
rious schemes into open exposure, and 
strips them of their perfidious assumed 
white dress, the sheepskin; which they in- 
deed are loth to part from. Your suppo- 
sed triumph and victory over him, howev- 
er, is but of short duration. Though he is 
despised and calumniated among you, we 
esteem him highly and as an acquisition 
too indeed in the blessed ineffable cause — - 
a gift in reality, a champion too in the open 
field of contention. This you may say is 
a boast, so let it be and welcome, you have 
forced it upon us and we are willing to ad- 
mit it; you know it to be the truth by wo- 
ful experience too. 

Now, Mr. W., you have to pass in re- 
view again, as you are the primary one in 
the tragedy. You are satisfied, it is confi- 
dently presumed, that I doknow'3'ou. We 
have been conversant, and I have tracked 
and rclraclced you again and agrJn for two 
years and more, so that 1 do know it to be 
a wolf's track, in all its complicated dimen- 
sions; both in length and width it precise- 
ly agrees with the representation given in 
the old chart; there can be no mistake, it 
is certain, for they both coincide and agree 
to the contracted dimensions of a hair's 
breadth. All may see it that will, and 
that too without specs. Do not think me 
your enemy because I tell you tl]e truth: 
you arc like unto many others, in this evil 
day of strife and contention; it is a. mo- 
mentous time, your character has been and 
is completely represented and delineated 
of old. You have worn the desirable 
sweet-scented sheepskin long ehqughj the 
assumed while dress has ever been too di- 
minutive and contracted to cover all your 
odious detestable parts. Remember, for 
instance, one among the poor, despised, 
persecuted "North Carolina boy," you, in 
connection with others of like grade (mis- 
sionary) have done every thing you possi- 

bly could do, and that too under the assu- 
med garb of a friend, and a preacher, a fol- 
lower of the meek and lowly Jesus, to in- 
jure the poor, the innocent, inoffensive 
youth, as it were; and one too that never 
had harmed you, unless it was in justifica- 
tion of truth and to repulse your false as- 
sertions. And he is not alone by many. 
Your vented premeditated malignity did 
not escape others, and has been profusely 
bestowed. In the result, however, your 
spleen and virulence has and will termi- 
nate in vanity; and what is still worse, 
vanity and vexation of spirit. And for 
your and others mutual lasting consolation, 
you are in a fair way indeed to fill up and 
complete the measure of your odious mise- 
rable representative, the noted malicious} 
Hainan, that has gone before. A little 
more time, a little more time only, and 
extension and length of rope will, it is pre- 
sumed, be all-sufficient . to complete your 
awful impending catastrophe! 

You will please to remember, sir, and 
call to your retentive mind, that you are 
celebrated amd peculiarly renowned as a 
sower of discord among churches. And 
what pray could be expected from unsta- 
ble perverse man, especially a weathers 
cock, a man under various garbs, a Camp- 
bellite, for instance, a Fullerite, a Free 
Wilier, and then came to this region and 
in despite imposed yourself upon a predes- 
tinarian church, and were received, tho' re- 
luctantly. And pray what has been the re- 
sult, the direfuLconsequen! since? Let past, 
repeated, woful occurrences, fearlessly and 
truly answer. Shameful, deplorable in- 
deed, however, to reflect. Refresh your 
memory, calling to mind that jmu'were 
publicly and openly in five particularly se- 
parate distinct instances, proven to be not 
a man of truth and verity'; do not forget, 
it may be of future essential service to you 
as well as to others. Sir, for your own 
sake especially, for the future let alone in- 
nocenc)' and simplicity; 1 strictly and con- 
scientiously observing tectitude, you will 
fare much the better you may rest assured. 
In the interim call to mind and lay it to 
heart, that you have "ollended the little 
ones," the poor, despised, persecuted, lit- 
tle few, and that virulently and nialiciously 
too, if we may judge. And have incurred 
the attached awful just penalty, and your 
impending doom is inevitable, unless pre- 
vented by timely contrition and repent- 
ance. Ma)' God of his infinite unbounded 
mercy grant, (if consistent,) is our ardent 
united vvisli^ as we are sorry for and do sin- 



cerely wish you well and to do better than ed me. So that I am agreeably bound to 
hitherto. Though weliave thus remark- say in truth and verity, that I am a judge 
cd, we are not intirrWated by no means; of good preaching, though not a compe- 
for we do assuredly know in whom we tent one by no means; and at a great dis- 
trust, who will eventually bless. In this tance indeed: nothing but a poor, depen- 
we are certain. Mis righteous cause he j dent, a sin-defiled polluted wretch, a mon- 
wil* maintain, in despite of all the malig- ster of sin and iniquity, and not worthy of 
jiant combined malicious force of men and the least bestowed favor. I am constrain- 
devils. . ed, however, and do verily believe, lhat 

'Tis presumed, with all deference, the many of you have no part nor lot in the 
never-failing good Book aiding, lhat we matter, nothing more than pretenders I 
are authorized to judge a tree from its fruit. ; am bound to say, in justice of the righteous 
We do think in accordance with all the cause, your persecution, your conduct iu 
hide bound ones in our immediate acquain- ' many respects, and disbelief of the doc- 
tance, (no exception, it is presumed,) that; trine, all testify against you; and one cer- 
you have not, as yet, a particle (not to ' tain sure indelible mark is, you know noth- 
.menlion an indelible mark) indicative of a j n g experimentally, the internal operation, 
Christian, in no instance whatever, you the new birth. 

and your party — when I say parjy, I then) I .im nearly done, and I wish I was 
mean you all. "A man found in bad com- : quite-, for I am tired. You, sir, in eon- 
pany and an encourager, is partaker of nection with many no doubt, will fre- 
their evil deeds, is equally culpable." So jquently cahimniously say, and endeavor to 
in the present. You may among you retort infuse and impress on the minds of many, 

on the old scribbler — there is a causative for 
thus writing, sir. 

To return, you may say in retort as a- 
bove, that I am not a competent judge and 
are presumptuously ignorant. To this a- 
buse, part thereof I am perfectly willing to 
admit; 1 do no!, nor never did, claim the 
superior right of being competent. Tis a 
lie in the positive. Do not be mad, for I 
am at this moment calm and cool; and do 
not view me as an enemy because I tell you 
the truth. At the tender age of aboui 13, 
I was powerfully wrought upon, so much 
so even at that age, them few and tender 
years, to commit violence on myself, to 
put an end to my then present wretched 
state; but I had seen nothing compara- 
tively at that time, but have o;ten since 
beyond my power ever to express; ap- 
parently, and was so, the devil turned 
loose to worry and to wound and to maim 
and if possible, to destroy me finally. He 
went fully nis given distance, eventually a.t 
the time appointed I was effectually (1 hope) 
joyfully relieved. We have had many a 
combat since, so that I am well acquainted 
with hissatannic majesty; butin the result 
it all eventuated in and for n,« real 
good. The present, will not admit my 
writing any more on this part. 

To return, should 1 not after experien- 
cing so much unmerited goodness, from the 
source and fountain of good, act improper- 
ly, unfaithfully, and ungratefully, not to 
acknowledge and confess that I am one of 
his, and that I have seen and been with 
^esus, and lhat he has taught and instruct- 

that the old man is ignorant, arrogant, and 
presumptuous; do not mind him, he is a 
fool not worth a notice; and besides, he is 
in his dotage, and is quite ignorant and il- 
literate. Slop, sir, you are mistaken in 
some things just mentioned, and you da 
not speak truth at all times; this can be 
proven. It has been said by one of your 
party, that old Keaton is as great a perse- 
cutor of the church of Christ as ever was 
Paul. This charge does not require coiv- 
futation, it speaks for itself. 

Again: some have been pleased to say, 
that "if it was not for lhat old man Keaton. 
yonder, & Pearsall, the churches would be 
in peace and quiet; that old fellow is £a- 
ing from church to church, and spying and 
seeing what he can discover." I hope, 
bro. , we will not deny the charge, but sub- 
mit; the greater part being the truth. And 
no doubt it has and will be said, that I am 
quite too busy and officious, especially i n 
the present case; if so, be it known unto 
you, sir, and all of your grade and cast, 
that it is universally admitted by some and 
not a few, and that too in accordance with 
the blessed Book, the true and never-failing 
chart, the only true guide, that it is a duty, 
a devolving enjoined duty, imperiously 
calling aloud on the churches to aid, to 
support, to hold up, to ail minister, and to 
endeavor to keep their shepherds from 
sinking under pressures of every kind, 
and their various interesting numerous op- 
erations; and "what thy hand findeth to 
do, do with all thy might." 

Hell, at this time^is unusually enlarged. 



The dogs are numerous, Ihey are in the 
fold scattering the sheep; the tender inof- 
fensive lambs are bleating, the ravenous 
wolves and their numerous craving whelps 
are snarling, snapping and biting in every' 
direclion, worrying and maiming, is ibis 
a time, pray, to loiter and be inactive? Are 
not the shepherds accountable ? Are <liey 
not imperiously urged to galher them in, 
and to fold, and to band and unite them 
together? Are not the churches (the lai- 
ty) bound, commanded, ami urged, to alle- 
viate and to bear them up in all things? It 
is our duty, an imperious devolving duty, 
rally to and around ye, peculiar sacred her- 
alds to the standard; the victory eventual- 
ly is certain. 

My dearly esteemed and much beloved 
brethren, suffer me in conclusion !o suggest 
a few more remarks. Feeling, 'tis presu- 
med, for the peculiar welfare and prosperi- 
ty of the churches, permit me, with all de- 
ference, to remind you once more before I 
leave you presently; i. e. I have been par- 
ticularly and well acquainted with the mis- 
sionary odious spirit, and when its per- 
verse operations were introduced and com- 
menced in North Carolina, about thirty 
years ago; and have been conversant with, 
and an attentive observer ever since. I 
could relate many things respecting the as- 
siduous advocates of the missionary sys- 
tem, that if they had any remaining 
sha'me or sensibility left, they must and 
would blush and be dismayed indeed — an 
overwhelming; load of guilt. This 1 know 
is truth, and God's truth too. I do not, I 
am confident, in the present aji-impoi tant 
case exaggerate; nor do not mean to, in the 
present conflict. that we may, for our 
own sakes, our children's, and the pre- 
sent and future generations, and especially 
heaven's and the truth's sake, strike man- 
fully and determinately at all and every 
appearance of odious religious schemes and 
artifices of the day, Do not let them rest 
in quiet; expel, disapprobato, expel. One 
of such that is in church relation among 
you, no permanent peace unless effected. 
The innumerous reasons are obvious and 
plain indeed, for they are distinct, they 
are different from us, in all their operations 
and extensive meanderings; tending to the 
distracting of your peace and tranquility. 
Even one regaining among you, will seri- 
ously affect; without fear of an effectual 
contradiction its spirit and its baneful in- 
fluence inevitably tends to monopoly, an- 
archy, confusion, and every evil and abo- 

mination under the gun, could it only be 
gratified and promoted in its ardent rest- 
less aspirations, in^lcordance. 

We should then soon be consigned to 
the former and present tyrannical fate of 
other distressed nations. This is undeni- 
able truth. We may see the fruit an^ ef- 
fect every day; full, adequate power is on- 
ly deficient. 0! ye peculiar favored sons, 
be on the alert and your assiduous watch, 
observing minutely ;donot give way an inch, 
a. particle, to the perverse enemy; dispute 
the contested holy equitable ground, at the 
point of the sword. And 0! brethren, if 
blood should be the consequent result, still 
continue, my brethren, even unto death; 
it will terminate gloriously. Do not be 
disheartened, consult the good Book, it 
will encourage; they cannot hurt effectu- 
ally. Do not forget the enemy, bear iheni 
in mind; the howling destructive wolves, 
the ravenous dogs, and the filthy goals, and 
their numerous whelps. By a minute ob- 
servation and the consultation of the sacred 
never-failing descriptive chart, even their 
physiognomy in dress, m.ein, and carriage, 
and many other indented, indelible, des- 
criptive marks, too tedious at present to 
recite. The wolfish smell is enough to a- 
larm, to create suspicion, and to ascertain; 
the dogs' teeth are noted, and the wolves; 
for their peculiar distinct howl, &c. &c. all 
of which are impressive indelible marks, 
and are not to be mistaken nor easily for- 
gotten, sticking -.lose to the sacred cri- 

One, for instance, a chieftain, a mighty 
one indeed, of much notoriety and many 
such like in this region, has made a speedy 
flight to Texas, with and in company with 
a noted she-wolf of equal grade and mag- 
nitude; leaving his diseonsolaje amiable 
consort, and promising dutiful offspring. 
Me left-an odious noxious perfume behind 
him, and three churches confused and dis- 
persed by his superior skill, &c. &c. he be- 
ing their former pastor. He took good 
care artfully to retain Ids credentials, and 
obtained a letter of dismission previously, 
however, to answer his premeditated in- 
tend.-! I accumulative designs in that for- 
eign region. 

Brethren, let us watch, in the mean- 
while do not let us forget the forty-four 
pounder. The g^od old Book well con- 
sulted that they cannot stand, for their 
souls they cannot; it is too appalling, too 
distinctive, tremendous is the sound there- 
of. Stick close to and ply jt well, often. 



introducing if; and do not let us forget and j vor t0 bold "P tl,e beauties of Christ in the gos- 

to minutely watch and we will eventually P^, with the freeness of salvation; a glorious 
succeed, of which there i.s no doubt testing. ' contrivance of infinite wisdom before the world 

The church that I am a member of sin< e began, 

being here, did on the Saturday before the And I will further say to the few scattered 

first Sunday in ihe present month, come a- saints about Grassy Creek, that if Cod in his pro-. 

part. Thank God for his goodness for the videnee should cast my lot among you again, that 

same. Many others are on the wing and as muoh as in me is J am ready to preach the gos- 

will follow. The Lord grant it. I shall pel to you also, (in the public roue! —I had as soon 

shortly give you a full detail of Hopewell preach there as in the meeting house—) for I am 

church; it is monstrous. 1 expect to give not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the 

you a representation of the happv effects of power oTGod unto salvation to every one that be- 

the separation of the "Union Association," lieveth; to the Jews first and also to the Greeks, 
and the "Pilgrim's Rest Association." 

A» formerly, beloved hro. , VGurs, &c. 





Edgecombe county, N. P, Jan, 1839. 
Brother Editors: In reading the last No. of the 
Primitive, I am well pleased with the letter of 
David W. Patman.. Patman is a chick of the 
right kind, full game— if he will only keep his 
gaffs of scripture truth on, every dunghill chick 
must lie at his feet and only squall out, you gaff 
me too hard. 1 invite his pen in the Primitive, 
for information from that section of country on all 
occasions of the oppression of the New School 
folks on the Old Baptists. 


And 1 can further say with the apostle, that none 
of these things move me, neither count 1 my life 
dear unto myself so that I may finish my course 
with joy, and the ministry which I have received 
of the Lord Jesus to testify the gospel of the 
grace of God, 

In conclusion, beloved, only let your conversa- 
tion be as it becometh the gospel of Christ, that 
whether I come and see you or else be absent, I 
.nay hear of your affairs that ye stand fast in one 
spirit with one mind, striving together for the faith 
of the gospel, and in nothing terrified by your ad- 
versaries, (that is, ihe missionaries) which is to 
them an evident token of perdiiion; but to you of 
salvation, and that of Cod. 




Dear bro, Bennett: As you have given no in? 
timation to the contrary in the last No. received of 
the Primitive Baptist, we have good reason to be- 
lieve that you will go on with the 4th vol. And 
as some change has taken place in the list of sub- 
scribers through me, it is necessary that I should 
give you correct information upon the subject, 
which you will find in the subjoined memoran? 
d u III. 

Prom your long list of Agents, all of whom per- 

Penon county, N. Carolina, Bee, lith, 1838. 
Brother Editor: I see in the Biblical Recor- 
der (or more properly ihe Lying Recorder) of 

September the first, a piece from Granville coun- | haps are zealous in ihe cause of truth — ready to 
iy, Grassy Creek, containing personal reflections ; every g^od word and v. oik — I Would fain hope 
on myself, the Primitive Baptist, and the Kehu- ! that the Primitive Baptist had gained a standinu 
kee Association; to which I will just remark, that j among the Primitive Baptists of our country, 
I pay no more regard to their ridicule, blackguard, \ which would justify us in considering it a perma*- 
and presumptuous misrepresentations, and trashy I Rent paper. 

nonsense, than J would to the croaking of a toad- j That the Old School Baptists in the United 
frog, or the buzzing of a ruusqaito. Hence the States are fully able to sustain the four papers 
New Mission clan may rage, rant, and ridicule, I i which they have in the field, I have not the least 
will not be the least molested: but will only pity ' doubt. I judge of this from my own experience, 
their ignorance and blindness, and expose their ; for sure I am that there is not one in a thousand 
filthy lucre schemes and devil-invented plans and j among them who is not in every respect as abls 
tyrannical systems, which they have devised to to support them as I am, and I take three of them, 
bring the free people of America under the yoke of As long as they all support sound: doctrine and 
priestcraft and despotism, and to lead 'blind sin- correct practice, and are open for interesting cor- 
ners to hell. I sha.ll also at the same time, endea- | resnotidepc.e among the saints, and the publica- 



lion of information in relation to the kingdom of 
Christ, the}' can but be useful both for edification 
and general information. But although in these 
things we may derive some benefit from our pa- 
pers, yet experience leaches that we should not 
place undue reliance upon them, nor upon the 
commentaries and expositions of scripture which 
they may contain, to the neglect, if not the rejec- 
tion, of the more sure word of prophecy, 

The Old School Baptists should consider that 
they are called to a greater and more important 
work, than the discussion of abstract questions a- 
uiong themselves. Wc are fairly in the field a- 
gainst our common enemy — antichrist under our 
own colors and called by our own name — and it is 
no time for the soldiers of the king, when drawn 
up in battle array against the enemy, to turn their 
attention to a comparison among themselves, to 
see which has the longest sword, which the best 
gun, which the most expert in war, and which the 
highest from the shoulders and upwards. If Gide- 
on's army is yet too large, the Lord will send 
back "whosoever is fearful and afraid,' 1 and ulti- 
mately will retain only such to go forth to the final 
victory, as shall be "brought down to the water 
and tried or separated, there, even such as shall 
Jap the water with his tongue." 

Nothing, save the final extermination of the 
Old School Baptists, is so pleasing to the great 
majority of the new order, as to see them in con- 
tention and strife with each other. And why] 
Because it is 1st, the fulfilment of their predictions, 
and 2ndly, hy this they accomplish with ease, 
what the whole host of them otherwise could not 
do with the devil at their head. Let us not, how- 
ever, in- our endeavors to shun controversy, con- 
nive at error, or give place to it for a moment. It 
js better that we should divide and subdivide, and 
forsake, and be forsaken of, all men, than that we 
should surrender one particle of truth. 

I owe you an apology for the communication 
which I addressed you from Hamilton, Ohio, last 
winter with the. poiiage unpaid, It was taken to 
the office on Lord's day, and I never thought of the 
postage until I had gotten several miles from Ha- 
milton, when it was too late to apply the reined)'. 

The loss by delinquent subscribers, &c. is 
enough for the conductors of our papers to lose 
without being taxed with letter postage. 

I am your brother, and companion in tribula- 
tion. JOHN CLjIRK. 

Frcdcricltsburg, Va. 25th Dec. 1838. 

Philips, Mercer, and Stokes, speak so -con- 
temptibly of your paper, I wish vou to 
continue it amongst us; and through that 
channel I will try to inform you and my 
brethren in other parts of our country, 
how matters of religion are going on here, 

I think times are getting some better 
with us, for the Old School Baptists are 
separating from the missionaries; and I 
think when we get finally separated, we 
shall have more peace. But still there 
are some amongst us, that are trying to 
hold both ends together, and have constitu- 
ted a church near the centre between three 
of our churches, that is not ever to make 
the institutions any bar to fellowship. 

Brother Bennett, there is one more 
thing that I will mention, and then 1 think 
I will stop; and that is this, some of our 
missionary folks say that you deny pub- 
lishing any thing over a fictitious name; 
but, sa)' they, where ever was there a man 
by the name of Rudolph Rorer? Now I 
knew a man in Pittsylvania county, Virgi- 
nia, by the name of Abraham Rorer, and 
1 have thought that brother Rudolph was 
a son of old Abraham Rorer, and wish 
that brother Rudolph would let me know 
if I have guessed right or not. 

I subscribe myself yours in love. 



Georgia, Troup county, 
Dec. nth, 1S33. 
Brother Bennett: Although Messrs. 


'Tennessee, Madison coiinfy,] 
Nov. 12th, 1838. ^ 
Beloved brother Bennett: I again 
with the helmet of salvation and sword of 
the spirit, which is the word of God, come 
forth to the field of battle; having for my 
commander in chief the King of kings and 
Lord of lords. 1 will also inform you, 
that my fortress may he found in the 2nd 
chapterof the Revelations of St. John the 
divine, from the 1st to the 5th verses; and 
the said fortress is composed of the follow- 
ing materials, to wit; verse 1st, Unto the 
angel (or minister) of the church of Ephe- 
sus write; these things saith he that hold- 
eth the seven stars (or ministers) in his 
right hand, who walketh in the midst of 
the seven golden candlesticks; (or churchr 
es;) 2nd verse, I know thy works, and thy 
labor, and thy putience, and how thou 
canst not bear them which are evil; and 
thou hast tried them which say they are 
apostles, and are not; and hast found them 
liars: 3rd, And hast borne, and hast pa- 
tience, and for my name's sake hast labor- 



ed, and hast not fainted. 4th, Neverthe- 
« less I (Jesus) have somewhat against thee, 
because thou hast left thy first love. 5th, 
Remember therefore from whence thou art 
fallen, and repent, and do the first works; 
or else I will come unto thee quickly, and 
will remove thy candlestick out of his 
place, except thou repent. 

Bro. Bennett, as the angel, or minister, 
of the church at Ephcsus did, in purging 
that church of every evil, and every false 
teacher and doctrine, so have you and ma- 
ny other Primitive Baptist preachers that I 
could name, in different parts of these Uni- 
ted States of America done. Then, clear 
bro., as the three first verses of this chap- 
ter so well apply themselves to (he minis- 
ters and churches of the Primitive order of 
the present day, I will say to you all, 
that 1 bid you God. speed in the great and 
glorious warfare, as our captain is gone be- 
fore and will lead us to victory and to 
peace. But, dear brethren in the ministry 
every where, although our king has said to 
the minister of the church at Ephesus, and 
to you the ministers of the churches of A- 
merica, that he knew your works, and 
your patience, and how you have tried 
them which say they are apostles, and are 
not, and hast found them liars; yet you 
angels of the churches remember that the 
4th verse says, Nevertheless I (Jesus) have 
somewhat against thee, because thou hast 
left thy first love. And the 5th verse 
says, Remember therefore from whence 
thou art fallen; and repent and, do the first 
works, (or love,) or else I (Jesus) will come 
unto thee quickly,and will remove thy can- 
dlestick (or church) out of his place, ex- 
cept thou repent. 

Novv, you bright and shining stars of 
America, who have been so busily engaged 
for a number of years in defence of your 
civil and religious liberties against modern 
priestcraft, with old bro. Lawrence at your 
head, (speaking after the manner of men,) 
remember that although your king is well 
pleased with what you have done, jet he 
says in the 4ih verse, that he has some- 
what against ) 7 ou, because you Lave left 
your first love. Now, you angels of the 
churches, the 5th verse tells you how to 
get rid of that something; which is to re T 
pent, and do the first works quickl}'. Re- 
pent, that you did at I lie first open the 
.doors of your churches to so many of those 
young Catholicks, with their Arminian ex- 
periences; which has been the cause of 
your leaving your first love, to drive them 

out again. Repent, that you did not expel 
from your churches those young Judases, 
upon the first discovery you made of them, 
as Peter did Simon Magus, when he dis- 
covered that he was under the influence of 
money instead of the Holy Ghost. 

Bro. Bennett, if you concur with me in 
the above, I would suggest to you that you 
set apart a day for prayer and lasting to all 
the Baptists of the Old School order 
throughout the United States of America; 
requesting them, to meet at their respective 
places of public worship, on the day that 
you may set apart, and neither eat, nor 
drink, until 4 o'clock, P. M. And the 
succeeding day be set apart for preaching, 
supplication, breaking of bread, and praise 
to God, for his great goodness towards us. 

Preachers, preach to the people Jesus 
Christ, and him crucified. 

Preachers and laity, pray God to for- 
give you, for leaving your first love. 

Preachers and laity, all praise God, for 
his goodness, in the conversion of your ■ 
souls, and the perpetuation of your civil 
and religious liberties. 

Bro. Bennett, I know that much might 
be said, both for and against a fast day; but 
the elucidation of that suhject, I will leave 
for the present to abler pens. And for 
the present, conclude with an earnest de- 
sire, that all to whom this may come, would 
read the book of Esther, and see what a 
poor little stiff necked Jew named Morde- 
eai could do; or rather what God could do 
for him and his people, when they were 
sufficiently humbled with prayer & fasting. 

Now you young Hamans, who claim to 
be next to God in the conversion of sin- 
ners, take warning from one who greatly 
desires } our welfare; before it is finally and 
forever too late for you to escape the gal- 
lows that you have been trying so long to 
raise to hang these poor young Mordecais, 
the Primitive Baptists, upon. For, dear 
sirs, 1 am authorised from sacred writ to 
tell you, that he that digs a pit shall fall 
therein. Then, sirs, we have the encour- 
agement, Fear not, little flock — and our 
General tells us, (and we verily believe 
him,) that one shall chase a thousand, and 
ten shall put ten thousand of you to flight. 
Then with the God of Abraham at our head 
we fear you not; but exhort you to weep, 
howl, and lament, yea, repent in sackcloth 
and ashes, that you have dared to assume 
to yourselves the work that belongs ex- 
clusively to our God, and not to the god of 
conventions, to wit, (money.) 



Brethren, whom (he Lord lovelh he 
chaste ne i h, and s(Ssa-rgeth every son whom 
he reoeiveth Repeot, therefore, that you 
have so behaved yourselves as to deserve 
chastening. Also rejoice, that rou are 
worthy to receive Chastisement whereof all 
are partakers; lor if you be without it, 
then are ye bastards and not sons. Final- 
ly, brethren, farewell; live in peace, and 
the God of peace be wi'h you. 

Bro. Bennett, if you think the above 
worth the notice of the public, let them 
have it with any correction you may think 
it deserves; if not, commit it to the flames. 

Yours, with much respect. 

IV M. C HO 03/. 


Jllabama, Pickens county.} 
Bee. 2, 1S3S. 5 
Dear brother: Your patrons in this 
country are well pleased with your Primi- 
tive. It is received as a messenger of 
peace and goo 1 '.tidings. I expect in a short 
time 'o furnish some more subscribers. I 
could say a great many things to you, and 
have several subjects in manuscript for 
your paper; but finding that brethren from 
various parts have wrote so similar, and 
wishing rather io give way to other breth- 
ren, 1 nave thought proper to withhold. 
So good is done I am satisfied, not wish- 

enabied to see myself as being an abomina- 
tion in the sight of God, my heart a. foun- 
tain of corruption and desperately wick- 
ed. Under adue sense of these feelings, I 
was made to cry to the Lord in earnest, to 
have mercy on me or die I should At this 
extreme it was pleasing to God to speak 
peace to my soul, and I was enabled to re- 
joice in hope of eternal life; which gave me 
joy for months in meditating thereon. — 
Then geiting in a cold condition for some 
lime, the devil tempting me, almost won 
me back to the love of the world with its 
alluring charms; hut thanks be to my God, 
who again visited me in his mercv and 
brought me again to my knees in humble 
supination to him for bis mercy. For it 
did appear to me, that I was the greatest 
sinner on earth; I was made to think that 
no Christian could get so far away from 
God as I had, you need not be surprised, 
my brother, if I tell you, that I thought it, 
was a gone case with me; that I thought 
that I was before mistaken, and that it was 
all imagination; which you may suppose 
almost drove mc to despair. 

I now epied and prayed to the Lord both 
night and day, for a confirmation of hope 
an i to convince me if indeed he had ever 
spoken peace to my sou!; but it did appear 
that such a sinner as I was, need never 
think of being saved, but that the Lord had 
left mc to die in despair. 

Right here, dear brother, the Lord ena- 

ing to become conspicuous. Perhaps I wiil 

answer my part, and also show my opin- ! bled my soul to lay bold on this sweet 
jon. May the God of p^ace be with you. [promise, (while qn my knees in suppliea- 
Farewell. tVM. II. COOK, j tion to him:) As I live you shall live aiso. 

With joy I exclaimed: Lord, I know if 
thou say it, i; shall he so. With jov I 
rose and went my way praising God, and 
was perfectly reconciled to his will. I 
was made to view Christ as being the end 


Georgia, Jones county, 
Nov 18/A, 1838. 

Dear beloved brother in the Lord: of the iaw to every one that believes, and 
gome time having elapsed since I wrote j how his righteousness imputed would jus- 
to you last, I have thought proper once tify the sinner in the sight of God. And 
more to write you a few lines in hasie, in- 1 hut there is no other way nor name given, 
forming you that through the grace of God under heaven amongst men whereby we 
I am still standing at the old corner post; must he saved, neither is there salvation in 
still standing upon the foundation of the any other. This, dear brother, is a small 
apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself sketch 'of my experience. And in obedU 
bring the chief corner stone For, dear ence to his command I was baptized by 
brother, I know that it was only through Eider Tilman D. Oxford, on the 12ih No- 
the mercy and kindness and grace of God, vember, IS'.il ; and am now endeavoring 
thai I was nude to foel the exceeding sin- to hobble along, wading through douhis 
fulness of 'in. land fears, the way and plan of salvation 

And now, dear brother, permit mc to 1 doubt not. 
tell you that I worked with all my might And now, if a saint, the least of all; for 

at the law for three years, and io\nu\ myself 
no better but a great deal worse; for 1 was 

surely no Christian ever had so hard a 
tour as L JNot all the missionaries, with 



sill the gold and silver in the world, could 
have done me any good, or have given me 
the least relief. Neither, do I believe that 
thev with all their filthy lucre, with all 
their forms and plans, can make God save 
one soid who he has not purposed to save 
in Christ. Neither can all 'he powers in 
earth and hell prevent him from convert- 
ing those and bringing them to know him 
in the pardon- and forgiveness of their sins, 
and saving them with an everlasting salva- 
tion, who he has purposed to save in Christ 
before the world began. 

I could write volumes on this subject, 
but must now come to a close. Nothing 
more at present, but still remain yours in 
brotherly love, T. J. BAZEMORE. 


Blackville, South Carolina, \ 
Dec 22d, 1S3S. 5 

Bear brother Bennett: Wiih pleas- 
sure and heart cheering satisfaction, I have 
tend your paper; wherein I have discovered 
a few names in America, that have not de- 
parted from the truth of Jesus nor the gos- 
pel, nor trodden under foot the simplicity 
of the religion that Jesus Christ came into 
this world to establish among the fallen 
and rebelUous children of men; who stand 
true to their integrity without fee, orre- 
ward;face their enemies who say, give us 
your money then and not before wc will 
preach to you the way of life and salvation 
through legality. Their cry is, more 
money, or we mu«t fail. Peter says, 
"you and your money perish." Acts, 8, 
IS-- 22. 

I thought myself alone in this matter, but 
praised be God for his good will and love 
to those who fear and love him. I pray 
God to continue his grace and the power of 
his spirit with his people on earth; that 
they may be enabled to stand fast in the 
grace whereunto they were called, and 
boldly declare the counsel of God in truth 
and sincerity of heart; to honor God, and 
not schools nor money beggars. I am un- 
der every bad name; but my comfort is, 
that God knows what I am. Therefore I 
close my writing till I get settled, and with 
humble and fervent prayers to Almighty 
God to command all his blessings on you, 
and the efforts undertaken to keep the 

I am yours in truth, and gospel bonds of 


Franklin county. Va. ~> 
Dec. 16///, 1838. $ 
Brother Bennett; Some time last 
summer 1 got hold of a paper called the 
Primitive Baptist, with which I was well 
pleased; for it contained a piece on a sub- 
ject that my mind was perplexed about, and 
1 came to the conclusion, thai if I could get 
it I would take it for one year. And a 
short time afterwards I met wi'.h brother 
R. Rorer and became a subscriber, and 
have received three numbers of your pa- 
per, with which I am well pleased. 

Now, brother Bennett, 1 will let you 
know something of the situation of the 
Baptists in this part of the Lord's vine- 
yard. We are in a cold dull state, and 
much divided; some for paying preachers, 
and some against it; some for learned 
ones, and some opposed to them; some for 
all the institutions of the day, and some op- 
posed to them. And as for my part, br'otheC 
Bennett, I think the Lord will do all his 
| pleasure and work all things after the coun- 
sel of his own will and save his people; that 
is, his elect, be they where they may; and 
Vain is the help of man. For it is the 
Lord that works in us, both to will and to 
do of his own good, pleasure; and for me 
to think that the great and wise being, who 
j knows all things, would call a man to 
j preach and he not qualified, would be wick- 
j ed. 

I Well, brother Bennett, I think if I ever 
j heard the gospel preached, it was by men 
that had not much learning; that is, human 
t learning. Tho' I thus think, I am not op- 
I posed to learning; no, by no means, for the 
I great apostle Paul was a learned man, &the 
Lord converted him and made him preach; 
| but the apostle John was an illiterate man, 
j and the Lord converted him and made him 
i preach. And these are the preachers that I 
i like, made b\ God himself, and learned of 
j Christ, and not of man. But there arc 
j some that think by T their actions, that none 
jean preach without learning; and in fact, I 
t heard a member of a Baptist church say, 
that it took learned men to explain the; 
j scriptures, and without learning they could 
| not do it. 

Now, brother Bennett, supposing this 
was a general thing among the Baptists, 
what would be our situation? In a few 
years would it not be this: The learned 
would have their own price for preaching; 
and for a proof of this, look back to church 



history when the Baptists were dragged 
about by the hair of the head, and beat 
with clubs; with many other persecutions. 
And What was it for? Was it not for 
preaching? Yes, brother Bennett, when 
our forefathers were giving so much of their 
tobacco to these learned men, did not the 
Baptists preach without it? And this you 
see was taking away theircraft, which they 
could not bear. And when I see how they 
are going on in the North, I am afraid that 
we shall have worse times yet. 

It seems from a No. of your paper, that 
a slaveholding preacher is hardly permit- 
ted to enter a northern pulpit; and the 
northern people think that it is as bad to 
traffic in slaves as it is in ardent spirits. 
Now, my dear brother, cannot you see 
how the thing is working? Methinksit is 
time we all had our e} es open; and let us, 
my dear brother, try to call upon the Lord 
for help. So I must conclude for this time. 

May the Lord be with you in your un- 
dertaking, is my prayer' for Christ's sake. 

Our Association among us have sowed 
asunder, and the churches are sifting fast; 
and we hope to form an Association of an 
whole piece. May the Lord grant it, isr 
my prayer. E. Mc DONALD. 

Georgia, Upson county, ) 
Oct. 2d, 1838. 5 
Brother Bennett : I again take the 
opportunity tojnform you that I have pro- 
cured a few more subscribers for the Primi- 
tive Baptist. 1 have nothing very particu- 
lar to write you at present, more than vvc 
! are at peace among ourselves. 
j Accept this letter as a token of due re- 
. speet to yourself, and all the true followers 
|of Christ. As 1 am in haste, I must con- 

Bibb county, Georgia, } 
Dec. 1th, 1838. ^ 
Bear brother Bennett: I wish grace, 
mercy and peace to be with you, and ena- 
ble you to go on in the work of the Lord. 
I send you in this letter five dollais for 
your valuable paper, the Primitive Baptist, 
to be sent to the under named persons. 
Yours as ever. 


Alabama, Sumpter county, } 
Dec. 4, IS 38." 5 

Beloved Brother : I avail myself of 
the present opportunity of addressing you 
for the first time. In weakness I make the 
attempt, but I feel like I want to give you 
a short history of what we are doing in 
this quarter of God's vineyard. 

Dear brother, we have been much 
plagued with what is called benevolence in 
our region, which has caused much sorrow 
and a great deal of strife and division. 
The missionary spirit has done much evil 
in this country. It lias been sowing 
seeds of discord among us here, and they 
have brought forth blades of contention 
and roots of bitterness. And thus saith the 
Lord, mark them that cause divisions — and 
so say I, and that with indelible marks of 
disapprobation. '"Again I heard a voice out. 
of the midst of heaven saying, Come out 
of her, my people. 

Butts county, Georgia, ) 
Dec. ist, 1838. y 

Dear brother Bennett i Though a 
stranger to you personally, I think I am 
not a stranger to the doctrine contained in 
the Primitive Baptist; and, at the request 
of some of my brethren and friends in this 
vicinity, I avail myself of this opportunity 
to write to you for the 4th volume of the 
Primitive. Though it is much abused by 
many in this quarter, yet there are a few- 
names in Bethel and its vicinity that love 
the truth. 

1 have nothing of great moment to in- 
form you of, only those churches that were 
disposed to obey the scriptural injunction, 
to come out of her, were constituted into 
an Association on Saturday before the 2d 
Lord's day in October. There were sev- 
enteen churches constituted ami eightjoin- 
ed after constituted, making in all twenty 
five. And truly it was a heavenly time, 
there was no jargon in the preaching, and 
not a dissenting voice in the deliberations. 
And those that we have left seem gratified 
that we are gone, and God knows we are 
glad we are away. So it must have been 
a righteous work to separate, for the scrip- 
ture says the work of righteousness shall 
be peace, and the effect of righteousness 
quietness and assurance forever. 

I remain, dear brother, yours in gospel 
bonds. HENIi Y BARR ON. 

Georgia, Campbell county, 
Dec. 13/ h, 183S. 
Brother Bennett: Although I have 
been a constant reader of your paper ever 
since it has been in circulation in this coun- 
try, this is the first attempt I have made to 



make myself known to you. I am one of 
the Old School Baptists, and for the last 
twelve years of my life have been trying 
to preach Christ and him crucified to per- 
ishing sinners. During that time I have 
passed through man}' afflicting scenes, and 
have experienced some hard struggles 
in the churches and Associations; but I 
hope that the hottest of the war is over in 
the Yellow River Association. 

Some brethren and friends at the last 
meeting at Nancie's Creek church in De- 
kalb county, requested that I should for- 
ward their names to you as subscribers for 
your paper, (the Primitive Bapiist,) and 
wish you to send their papers lo Cross 
Keys, Dekalb county, Georgia, and the 
terms shall be complied with. The under- 
signed are the names as one company, and 
I expect in a short time to send another 
company of names to you. So nothing 
more at present, but remain yours, in broth- 
erly affection. 


Alabama, Tallapoosa county, } 
Bee. 14th, 1838. 5 

Brother Bennett: You will please 
send me six numbers of the Primitive Bap- 
tist, commencing with the first number of 
the fourth volume. I read your valuable 
paper last year, and am well pleased with 
its contents; so much so, that I do not feel 
willing to be without it. Consequently, I 
wish you to send it to me until I order it 
stopped, which I am sure will never be as 
long as it maintains the same doctrine it has 
heretofore; which I have no doubt it will 
do as long as it is published. 

Brother Bennett, I must inform you 
that there are schismsand divisions amongst 
the Baptists so called, in this part of God's 
moral vineyard, and a great separation; we 
have lately had an Association constituted 
©f the Old School of about four hundred 
members, and I think there will be many 
more at our next annual meeting. 

Yours in gospel bonds. 


Georgia, Hall county, ~> 
Bee. 3rd, 1838. 5 
Brother Bennett: In a route below 
I chanced to espy one of your publications 
entitled the Primitive Baptist, dated 25th 
March, 1837, Vol. 2, No. 6, in which I 
conceive is contained much truth, if I am 
not deceived in understanding my Bible; 
though I never was taught in college, neith- 

er in any of the seminaries of this day, for 
which I lament; because I cannot tell more 
about Jesus and address the same truth 
more to the understanding of poor sinners. 
But, my brother, 1 trust and do hope I 
have had some good teaching even in the 
forest, and from the very best and wisest 
teacher, even Jesus the great teacher of his 
people; for they are all taught of God. And 
this makes me want to hear more from my 
Primitive or apostolic brethren; and I want 
your paper circulated here, for we have 
much division and many fine benevolent in- 
stitutions here, which 1 fear are spoiling the 
peace of some of God's children. 1 fear 
this, because my old Bible does not say I 
should go into them, and because I cannot 
go where my divine master has not taught. 
These fine brethren say, (no fellowship.) 

how hard ! But I want to know and 
feel more brotherly love, and the flowihgs 
of the divine spirit, know the truth and he 
happy in doing the work of God. 

1 have shown this number to some of 
my brethren and neighbors, and some say 
they wish to read your paper one year; and 
have voluntarily made up one company for 
six copies, and have placed the same in the 
hands of brother S. J. Sloan, who will ad- 
dress you and direct you where to send 
their papers, and superintend according to 
your direction in the above number. Also, 

1 am making anothercompany with myself, 
and now write for three copies. 

Yours in gospel bonds. 

Pastor of the church at Bold Spring, H. 
C. Ga. 


North Carolina. — J. Biggs, Sen. Williamston 
R. M. G. Moore, Germanton. W. W. Missel], Ply- 
mouth. Jacob Swindell, Washington, James Sou- 
therland, Warrenton. Alfred Partin, Raleigh. 
Charles Mason, Roxboro'. James Wilder, Jin- 
demon's Store. Benj. Bynum, Speight's Bridge. H. 
A. vera, Averasboro'. Parham Pucket, Richlands. 
John H. Keneday, Chalk Level. Burwell Tem- 
ple, Wake county. Obadiah Sowell, Rogers 1 P. O. 
Geo. W. McNeely, Leaksville. David J. Mott, 
Long Creek Bridge. Ely Holland, Smithjield", 
James Dobson, Sarecta. Stephen Rogers, Holly 
Spring. James H. Sasser, Waynesboro' 1 . John 
Fruit, Sandy Creek. L. B. Bennett, Heathville. 
Jas. P. Daniel, Stantonsburg. Willis L. Gooch, 
Buffalo Hill. Alfred Ellis, Strabane, Cor's Ca- 
naday, Carterettsville. William Welch, Abbott's 
Creeki J. Lamb, Camden C. B. 

South Carolina.— Wm. Hardy, Saluda Hill, 
James Hembree, Sen. Anderson C. H. Frederick 
Ross, Cambridge, John Gambrell, {Big Greek 



Mills. Lewis Shirrell, Silver Glade. B. Law- 
rence, Effingham, James Burris, Sen. Buhl 
Spring. William S.Shaw, Rock Mills. Levi 
Lee, BlaekviUe. 

Georgia. — William Mosely, Bear Creek. Edw. 
S. Duke, Fayettcville. A. Cleveland, McDbnough. 
James Henderson, Monticcllo. A. B. Reid, 
Brownsville. John McKenney, Forsyth. Antho- 
ny Holloway, Lagrange. Patrick M. Calhoun, 
KnoxviUe. J. M. Rockmore, Mountain Creek. 
Edm'd Stewart, Hootensville. Bowell Reese, 
Eatonton. Thomas Amis, Lexington. Jonathan 
Neel, Macon. Charles P. Hansford, Union Hill. 
John W. Turner, Pltasant Hill. Joshua Bowdoin, 
iMairsville. R.Toler, Upatoie. Clark Jackson, Fort 
Gaines. John Gayden, Franklin. John S.Keith, 
I Ait her fvi lie. P. H. Edwards.; Georgetown^ Wm. 
Trice, TliO'nasion. Wm. Bowde'n, Union Valley. 
Ezra McCrary, Warrenitm. Wiley Pearce, Cairo. 
0-. VV. Holifield, Vernon. B. Pace, Clean Town. 
Lewis Peacock, Gassville. Vachal D. Whatley, 
Burncsvillc. Alex. Garden-, Mount Morne. Tho- 
mas 1. Johnson, Newnan, Elias O. Hawthorn, 
Bainbridgc. John G. Wintringhain, Ilalloca. Wil- 
liam M. Amos, Greenville. Pandolph Arnold, 
Latimer's Store. Thomas J. Bazem'ore, Clinton. 
Jo-iah Stovall, Aquilla. G. P. Cannon, Culloden- 
villc. Jason Greer, Indian Springs. William 
McElyy, MtepulgiiSi Furna Ivey, Milledgeville. 
William Garrett, Tuckers Cabin, Jesse Moore, 
Irwinion. Leonard Pratt, Whitesville. Thomas 
A. Sullivan, Decatur. Thomas J. Johnson, New- 
nun. B. J' Ilendon, Corinth. Robert B. Mann, 
Cbesnut Grove. William Tippit, Cedar Branch. 
A. G. Simmons, Hickory Grove, John Lanhon, 
Chenuba. Thomas C. Trice, Ilillsboro', John 
Herington, Welborn's Mills. John McCorquo- 
da!e, JrarcMtala; JarnesPi Ellis, PineviiKe, Shu- 
mate J. Sloan, Chesnut //ill. French Haggard, 
Athens. Henry Barron, Jackson, John Murray, 
Fort-VaWeiji Josiah Gresham, Uloy. 

Alabama. — L. B. Mosely, Cahawba. A. Kea- 
ton, McConico. John Blackstone, La Fayette. W. 
W. Carlisle, Frcdonia. Henry Dance, Daniel's 
.Prairie. Wm. W. Walker, Liberty Hill. Dan'l 
Gafford, Greenville. Samuel Moore, Snow Hilt. 
John G.Walker, Milton. Henry Williams, Ha- 
vana. Samuel Clay, Mount Hebron. John V. Lo- 
vett, Mount Pleasanti Elias Daniel, Church Hill. 
John Bonds, Clinton, David Johnston, Leighlon. 
Joel H. Chambless, Lowsville. Adam McCreary, 
Brooklyn. Josiah Jones, Jackson. David Jacks, 
New Market. Sherrod VV. Harris, Vienna. John 
McQueen, Graves' 1 Ferry. William Talley, 
Mount Moriah, Graddy Herring, Clay ton. G.W. 
Jeter, Pint Lala, Samuel Ct Johnson, Pliasant 
Grove. William Crutcher, llunlsville. W illiam 
IB Cook, Pickensville. Seaborn Hamrick. Plan- 
tersville. Eli McDonald, Paynesviile, Maik Por- 
ter, Demopolis. William Melton, Bluff Port. 
James Si Morgan, Dayton. Wm. Hyde, Gaines- 
ville, Ruins Daniel, Jameston, Anderson W. 
Bullard, Tusgegec. J. L. Patten, Bellefon/e. 
Frederick Hines, Gaston t Z. Johns, Tiara, Ei 
McDonald, Painsville. A. Mitchell, Cartels ILll. 
William Powell, YoungsviUe. 

Tennessee. — A. V. Farmer, Blair's Ferry. M. 
IT. Sellers, Ten ffite. William Patrick, Poplar 
Corner. Michael Burkhalter, Checkwille Asa 
Biygs, Dinnmrk. Tho's K. Clingan, Smith' 1 S y, 
Roads. William E. Pope, Philadelphia. Aaron 

Compton, Somervillc. Charles Henderson, Emery 
Iron Works. Asa Newport, Meesvillc. James 
Matilden, Van Buren. A. burroughs, Wesley. Wm. 
Croom, Jackson. Daniel Briggs, Decatur. Clem- 
mons Sanders, Mount Vernon. Daniel Webbj 
Lexing'on. Sion Bass, Three Forks, JohnW. 
Springer, Sugar Creek. W. A. Bowdon, Boyds- 
vif/e. Smith Hansbrough, Jacks Creek, William 
Si Smith, Winchester, lsham Simmons, Calhoun. 
Thomas Hill, Seviervil/e. J. E. 1) on thitt, Lynch- 
burg, CT. Echols, Miffiin. Aaron Tison, Medon. 
Levi Kirkland, Waverly. Abner Steed, Fayeite- 
vilk, Henry Randolph, Snodysville. Pleasant E. 
Witt, Cheek's K Roadi, .L Cooper, UnioneiWe. 

Mississippi. — .lesse Battle, Meridian Springs. 
James D. Williams, Dailville Worsham Mann, 
Columbus. Silas Dobbs, Brooklyn. Henry Pet- 
ty, Zion. William Huddleston, Thomaston. Na- 
than Tims, Kosciusko. 

1'lorida. — James Alderman, China Grove, Da- 
vid Callaway, Cherry Lake. 

Louisiana. — Peter Bankston, Marburyville. 

Missouri. — Calvin Newport, Harmony. 

Illinois. — Richard M. Newport, Grund View. 
James Marshall, Salem. Joel Ferguson, Danville, 

Indiana. — Peter Saltztfian, New. Harmony. I- 
saac W, Denman, GaMatiri, Zachariah McClure, 
Terre Hautci 

Ohio. — Joseph H. Flinf, Hamilton. R. A. Mor- 
ten, Fulton. John B. Moses, German/on, 

Kentucky. — Jona. H. Parker, Salem. Tho. Pi 
Dudley, Lexington. Sanford Connelly, Shclbyviilei 

Virginia. — Kemuel C. Gilbert, Sydnorsville. 
Rudolph Rorer, Berger's Store. John Clark, Fre- 
dericksburg. E. Harrison, Heningsvillc. Wm. 
W. West, Dumfries. Joseph H. Eanes, Calland's. 
William Burns, Halifax C, //, George VV. San- 
ford, Harrisonburg. Jesse Lankford, Bowers'si 

Dis. Columbia. —-Gilbert Beebe, Alexandria. 

Pennsylvania. — Hezekiah West, South Hill. 
Joseph Hughes, Gum Tree. Nathan Everitt, 
Chil/icoafs Town. 

New Jersey. — Wm. Patterson, Suckasunny. 

Wisconsin Ter. — M. W. Darnall, Blue River. 


Wm. Croom, i 
Wm. S Colson, 
Arthur Brooks, 
Peter Jones, 
Wm. S. Shaw, 
Arm'g Mitchell, 
C. W. Knight, 




Elishi Ingram, J 
E. McDonald, 
G.W. McNeely, 
Z. Johns, 
T. J. Bnzcmore, 
J. Lamh, 

Step'n Chipmon, S 


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EagB^aaawBM ~-^ i r ag— — 

Printed mid Published by George Mioivard, 


"©cine out or P?er, m» SfMifcte' 3 

No. 3. 


VOL. 4. 


Butler county, JUabartla, 
Oct. 17/A, 183S. 
Dear brother Bennett: Our Alaba- 
ma Baptist Associalion adjourned their 
session on yesterday, commencing on Fri- 
day last the 12th first. And having de- 
ferred writing until it was over, I now has- 
ten to give you some of the outlines of the 
business transacted at the said Association. 

There were three received and a fourth, 
the Center Ridge church being; a missionary 
church, was forced in over the heads of the 
Association; which became very distress- 
ing. The circular letter written bv Elder 
Luke Haynie, was presented; which, to- 
gether with the church letters, were refer- 
ee . , 

red to the committee on documents. 

On Monday morning, the circular letter 
was read, which was rejected by a majo- 
rity of three, the vote, fifty one to forty 
eight. After spending the whole day in 
argument, and such an argument perhaps 
never lias been heard in a Baptist Associa- 
tion before — 1 have been in a great many, 
We have had considerable distress for but never haVe heard the scriptures so 
several years past in our churches and As-' abused, and murdered before;and eveif the 
socialion, in consequence of the abuse and: dead, as well as the living, that could not 
idolatrous proceedings of the missionaries. , for conscience sake agree with them, were 
And for the purpose of trying to get rid of] slandered by the missionaries; there be- 
them, .some of our churches appointed a ' ing many of them from other Associations, 
council to beheld at Bethel meeting house, i combined with what there was in our own 
Montgomery county, on Friday the 31st of! Association — they then took up the sub- 
August last; at which time and place fif-jject of the church letters, and commenced 
teen churches represented themselves by I an argument. I then left the Association 
letters and messengers, and two other i for home, not being a messenger, 
churches with messengers without letters, | To day I understand by a messenger 
making in all seventeen churches. We , from the Association, that thirteen churches 
agreed in council to declare unfellowship | withdrew from the Association, including 
with the missionary system, &c. ; and to I nine preachers, to wit: Thornton Rice, 
recommend our Association to do the same. ' Luke Haynie, H. M. Todd, Geo. W. 
The yeas and nays being required, was, j Jeter, Melvin Jeter, Allen Driskal, Zachc- 
yeas 38, nays 5. Accordingly, I think jus Nix, Wm. Fendley, and James Miller, 
eleven churches only made request in their j on yesterday, and formed themselves in 
letters to the Association. All the letters 
were read as usual, and laid on the table. 
The Moderator and Clerk were then elect- 
ed, and the different committees appoin- 

On Saturday morning, the committee to 
arrange the business to come before the As- 
sociation, reported to open the door for the 
reception of newly constituted churches. 

council, at the stand that was prepared for 
preaching, nearly the whole settlement 
ig with them. They then proceeded to 
appoint on Friday before the second Sab- 
bath in December next to form a new As- 
sociation, and invite all their friends and 
the brethren of the Old School Baptists, to 
attend with them at Fort Dale meeting 
house for said purpose. I should rejoice. 



to see some of tlie old veterans of the cross jof good works according (o his word uUnCs 

with us then, if possible. 

] feel thankful lo God for the separation, 
ns my whole desire has been for ne'.uly 
forty years, that the church of Christ should 
be separate from the world and ungodly 
profestors in their worshipping God. A nd 
] do think, that the Lord is in it, for God 
in the first place, has since his creation of 
man in all ages, had a separate and pecu- 
liar people zealous of good works, who 
worshipped him according to' his rule. But 
we have seen in all ages also, that s-atan 
through his seducing spirits, has had a 
people to worship him accordingto his rule; 
from Cain, the first son of Adam, lo the 
present time. For Cain, I think, was as 
sincere in his offering as any of the mis- 
sionaries, or any of the ungodly professors, 
since his day can be;' yet his offering con- 
sisted in that which God had cursed, and 
that which he had not commanded. While 
Abel's offering consisted in the firstling of 
the flock, typical of Christ, who he had 
commanded that angels and men should 
worship, and him alone, he also being 
equal with the Father. 

2. God by his Holy Spirit, which is 

Fur we read that,, all things shall work to- 
gether for good to them who love God, and 
arc the called according to bi.s purpose: 
and grace' given os in Christ Jesus before 
the world-began, - And I believe that God 
in his overruling power will sift and purify 
his people until peace and harmony shall 
flow from breast to breast, und brotherly 
love and union once more abound in his? 

Enclosed is » copy of a letter written I© 
one of the Editor's of the South Western Mo- 
nitor and Religious Luminary, printed at 
Mobile, which I wish you to publish, as the 
said Editor it seems has declined publish- 
ing it. My intention in writing the said 
letter was first, to try to convince them of 
iheir errors in iheir schemes and inven- 
tions. 2. As there are a great many of his 
readers who have been brought up under 
the influence of the schemes of the daj and 
are led astray by those seducing spirits, I 
had a desire to try to show them that it 
was not always so with tlie Baptists. 3, 
The missionaries have been so kind in 
sending me so many of their trashy publi- 
cations from various parts of the United 

equal to himself and Son, has through his States, thai I have become so disgusted 

prophets laid down his rule in types and with them, that I desire to read them n<* 

shadows for his worship until the coming longer. 

of Christ; who blotted out the handwriting i expect to write again after the consti- 
of ordinances, nailing them to his Cross, foiion of our Association. If I do not, 
and then commanded all men to repent and please continue sending on the 4th vol. as 
believe the gospel; which gospel John be- 1 usual, only the above alterations, as I be- 
gan to publish in the wilderness of Judea, lieve your paper is read generally with 
Ihcn Christ himself and his apostles, all of considerable interest. The doctrine gene- 
which laid down sufficient rules and regu- rally contained in the irvany communica- 
Jalions for the government of his church lions published in your paper, is in accord— 
until the end of the world, and yea, for all ance with my views ever since I became 
hiscreation. But we see a great many acquainted with the missionaries to the 
professors in our day, contending that they present day. 

have something to add for tire saving the Please also, to send me the first volume 

world; consequently, add many of their of the Primitive if you have any on hand, 

own inventions, and construe them to be I would also suggest the propriety of you, 

in accordance with the scriptures; not- brother Lawrence, or some other person, 

withstanding the curse pronounced against to compile all brother Lawrence's writings 

Ihose that add to, or diminish from, the in one volume and have it well bound, as I 

scriptures. think it would be a valuable work in the 

3. It appears to mc, God has ordered present generation and generations yet to 

first, that some of the churches should pe- come. 1 hope to see a trial made to have it 

tition the Association to declare against published by subscription, 
the missionaries. 2. That he directed the; With due esteem, I remain yours in love. 

writing the circular letter. 3. That the 
missionaries should attend from the corres- 
ponding Associations, with all their malice 
and rage, to sift and separate bis people 
from their idolatrous worship, and thus pu 


Butler county, Alabama, 
June \Gth, 1S3S. 
Brother Heard: I acknowledge the 

rify his church unto himself, to be zealous receipt of four Nos. of the South Western 



Monitor and Religious Luminary, edited \ 
by you and published at Mobile; for which 
I feel thankful to you, hoping that you 
sent them from pure motives In reading 
them it has caused a desire in me to com- j 
muni pate some of my thoughts and feel- 
ings to you, respecting the situation of the . 
present times as to religion. I have been 
a Baptist for near forty years, and haye 
consequently been acquainted with a great 
many precious brethren; and among them 
a great many ministers of the gospel of our 
dear Redeemer^ and had the opportunity 
of hearing preaching from my youth up to 
the present day from almost all the differ- 
ent denominations of professed ministers 
that are common in the United States. 
Consequently, since it has pleased God to 
reveal to me his Son Jesus Christ, (as I 
hope and trust) in the pardon of my sins, 
I have thought that in my weak manner I 
have been able to judge for myself at least, 
what was the true religion of our Lord and 
Saviour Jesus Christ, and what was the re- 
ligion of the world. I do not believe that 
Christ is divided, but that there is but one 
Lord, one Faith, and one Baptism. And 
that Christ is the great head and lawgiver of 
the church. And lias laid down in his 
word a sufficient rule for the faith and prac- 
tice of all his dear children; and that the 
Holy Spirit always teaches the same things, 
though there is a diversity of gifts; and 
that Cod is not the author of confusion; 
and that the language of the Holy Spirit, is 
all the language that we have any business 
Avith in religious matters; and that God 
never commissioned mau yet to do any 
thing whatever; but commands them to do 
whatsoever he wills to be done. 

Now, I wish to inform you something 
that I do know in former days, and up to 
the present time. In the days of the good 
old soldiers of the cross of Christ, to wit : 
• Daniel Marshal, A bra in Marshal, Silas 
Mercer, Thomas Mercer, James Matthews, 
Sanders Walker, Thomas Daniel, William 
Green, Benjamin Mosley, my dear old 
father, and a number of others I do not re- 
collect at this moment, whose spirits are 
all now, I believe, in heaven praising God. 
I never heard the name missionary, theo- 
logical school, State Convention, Bible So- 
ciety, Tract Society, Temperance Society, 
Sunday School Union Society, nor any 
other society among the Baptists; nor even 
among the Presbyterians, Methodists, 
Quakers, &c. named. Yet the Baptists 
prospered and increased greatly; there were 

great revivals, a great number of churches 
constituted, several Associations constitu- 
ted, the gospel preached without charge of 
money, the poor had the gospel preached 
to them. The destitute regions frequently 
had some of those preachers among them; 
the preachers supported their families plen- 
tifully; they all spoke the same language; 
all was peace and union, both with preach- 
ers and churches, (except individual disor- 
ders. ) They all could go to meeting uni- 
ted in heart and hand, some singing praises 
to God, some telling What the Lord had 
done for them; on the way to meeting, 
while there, returning home, and after they 
had got home. They all believed that 
God was able to send the gospel among the 
heathen, when and by whom he pleased 
without the aid of money, and in defiance 
of all that wicked men combined with dev- 
ils could do. The meeting houses were 
almost generally filled on any preaching 
day. "here were few in the neighborhood 
thatcould get there but went. Christ was 
not then divided with the Baptists. The 
Baptists no matter where they came from, 
spoke the same language; had the same 
Faith, Lord, and Baptism; could see eye to 
eye, and brotherly love appeared to abound 
generally among them. And I knew of 
no family that wanted a Bible but what had 

I suppose some of your correspondents, 
and probably you, may say, surprising. 
It cannot possibly be so. I do not believe 
it. Can it be possible that God would so 
bless a people that had no theological 
schools to educate ministers, no State Con- 
ventions, none of the societies that we have 
now, with our train of officers. No mis- 
sionaries to carry the gospel to the heathen. 
No way to restrain drunkards from getting 
drunk. No memberships in societies, no 
donations of money to spread the gospel. 
No days for concerts in prayer, and no 
protracted meetings, &c. No, it cannot be 
so. I judge from the proceedings of the 
missionaries in the present day. 

Yes, my brethren, God did bless his 
churches, ministers and people in those 
days abundantly. And I can inform you 
why he did. It was because those depart- 
ed worthies were ministers of God's call- 
ing and qualifying. And they did not 
preach themselves to the people, nor the- 
ology taught in the schools of the day, nor 
any of the schemes of the present day in 
forming societies, nor that the heathen 
were perishing and going to hell for lack of 


money to send missionaries among; them 
to carry the gospel. Nor that Sunday 
Schools was a good nursery to bring up 
children devoted to the Lord; but thev 
preached Christ Jesus the Lord, and them- 
selves the people's servants for Jesus sake. 
]n short, preached what the Lord sent them 
to preach, and where he sent them, (and 
not what and where the Convention sent 
them to preach,) and the Spirit accompanied 
the word. 

And {'further inform you, that I would 
ftot waik across my house for all the preach- 
ing that any man may preach, that says he 
hasacall of God to preacli the gospel, and 
says he cannot preach it unless he was 
Qualified at the schools,- or that he has a 
special call to preach to a certain people in 
any country whatever* and then says he 
cannot go without the people or societies 
will make him up a certain amount of mo- 
ney, or that he will not preach to any 
church at home without a certain amount 
of money. In short, if he can stop preach- 
ing under any circumstances whatever, I 
doubt his call to preach. 

Now, my brethren, I hope you will 
pause long enough from your missionar) 
operations, and contrast those days with the 
present time. And take a view of ihe dis- 
tressed situation of families, churches, and 
Associations, generally through this once 
happy United States; and see if the mis- 
sionary schemes and operations did not 
commence the confusion, and the further 
thev 20 with them, if the confusion docs 


not get worse and worse. And see the 
contentions,- backbitings, evil surmisings, 
evil speakings, the coldness & barrenness in 
religion, even among all denominations of 
professed Christians ■ The boastings in pri- 
vate conversation, from the pulpit and press, 
of what great work the Lord is carrying on 
through the instrumentality of missionary 
opera-tions. Then ask yourselves the ques- 
tion: Can it be of God? Is it in accordance 
With the scriptures? Is it consistent with 
benevolence, charity, or humility ? 

I wish also to inform you, that Ihavc 
spent nearly all my leisure time during the 
present year, until a few days past, in read- 
ing missionary papers and books, the last 
except your two last papers were Dick's 
works; since which time, I turned my at- 
tention to reading the scriptures. It ap- 
peared tome that I had got almost into a 
new world; new scenes oi love, joy, peace, 
and humility, appeared to roll through rftj 
mind. In fact, the scriptures appeared to 

be more delightful than they had been /rt 
several years past. In short, I must tell 
you I had lieard and read so much boast- 
ing about this enlightened day of religion, 
together with the other confusion before 
stated, I thought, could it be possible, that 
so many wise men eould be led astray by 
seducing spirits, and depart from the faith 
o>:ce delivered to the riaints. It so confu- 
sed me, and hurt my feelings to think that 
Baptists would do so.- it has been the dark- 
est day in- religion for some time past whir 
me I had ever experienced before; but 
thanks tie toGod, I read inthescripturesthat 
all things shall work together for good to 
them that love God, and arc the called ac- 
cording to his purpose; and I believe the 

I must close, for want of room on my 
sheet, praying God that he may so direct 
you, me, and all that profess the name of 
Jesus by his Holy Spirit, that we may duly 
consider what we are doing; and that all 
we do, 'think, or sav, may be in honor to 
his holy name* and cause, and for the good 
of his people. 

According to the title of your paper, \ r 
hope you will give this communication a 
place in it. And if you or any of your 
correspondents should make any remarks 
on it, or in any way answer it, I hope you 
will continue to send me the. paper, if not, 
1 hope you will discontinue it. 

With due respect, yoitrs, &c. 

Editor of South Western Monitor and 

Religious Ltiminary, Mobile, u Jia. 


Georgia, Upson county, > 
Jin gust 2Slh, 1838. \ 
Brother Bennett: Having in a for- 
mer communication endeavored to lay be-' 
fore you, in a figure, some of the effects of 
the missionary gale, &c. I shall now give 
you some account of the gracious dealings 
of the good Shepherd towards the litl It- 
few that came out from the New School, ■ 
or A'ntioch church. Two other churches 
have since divided; -namely, Bethesda and 
Fellowship. In the former, there was a 
small majority of the New School, and in 
the latter, a large majority of the Old 
School; yet the N. S. hold both the con- 
stitutions and keys. This brings to mind 
ihat scripture: Since the days of John the 
Baptist till now, the kingdom of heaven 



sutfereth violence, and (he violent, takclh it [right side of my jaw. The supernumerary 
by force. j or new one, grew between the old one and 

1 was not present at Fellowship, but I my lip; not in a right line with the others, 
urn informed that there -were much elisor- It had I so protruded my lip, that my natural 
,der, hard words, and rough feelings among -visage and speech were much altered. The 
-them. The dissenting members from these new tooth became painful; every motion of 
three churches united themselves into my lip caused a sore sensation; my visage 
threebands, and are now constituted church- being so marred, -together with the sore- 
es on Old School principles. Namely, ness of my lip, afflicted my feelings, and I 
Shilo, (Pike county) Em mays and Mount was resolved to have it extracted. Apply- 
Gilead, (Upson cotmtv.) ing my thumb and fore finger, I found it 

We purpose by the help of the good was loose in the jaw, and with a slight ef- 
shapherd to keep out those who may come fort drew it out; but contrary to my interv 
ito us in sheep's clothing; but inwardly are tion, and much to my regret, the other at 
ravening wolves. May we have the gift the same moment came out also. I felt 
to know them, and the address to put them much afflicted for the loss of this good 

id (light. 

A parapet work, the wolf will leap o'er, 
Our wall should be higher, that it was before; 

tooth. While they were now in my hand, 
discovering no connective .particle, but 
clearly perceiving which was the good one A 
The gate, do^r and windows, the porter t.o keep, ! the tbo't came to mind, that the primitive 
And open to none, but the shepherd and si.eep. tooth, if placed back ki the jaw, might 
The band, which is now Mount Gilead grow fast again and be as good as formerly. 

church, met at brother Charles P. Hans- 
ford's on the 24th inst. , st which time and 
place the presbytery met us; namely, bro. 

The suggestion I tried, first throwing the 
other on the ground and saw it no more. 
The good tooth now replaced, was sore a 

Jason Grier and Francis Douglass, of Butts' short time; and cheering to my feelings, 
county, finding us in order, Sic. declared soon became as strongly sealed as ever. 

«js a regular constituted Baptist church. 
We have no house yet to meet in, but, 

Of bushes and boughs an arbor we've made, 
There under we worship, none make us afraid; 
We trust in Christ's promise, 110 good he'll 

■ From those that do love him and are of his fold. 

The- prophet that has a dream, let him 
tell a dream. Isaiah, 23. 28. Brother 
Bennett, I do not profess to be much of a 
prophet; but if one at all, one of the least. 
But we know in part and prophecy in 
part; but when that which is perfect is 
come, then that which is in part shall lie 
done away, i Cor. 13th chap. 10th verse. 
I would follow after charity and desire spir- 
itual gifts; but rather that 1 may prophesy. 
tie that proohesyeth speaketh unto men to 

The above dream has borne much on my 
mind; for a while I could not see through 
it, but now I think I can. The case ap- 
plying to the church. 

Here I would give the particulars of our 
coming out from the New School, but have 
uot space. 

There are some here, brother Bennett, 
that dislike your papers, the Primitive Bap- 
tist. They speak lightly of them, and say 
they are inflammatory and should not he cir- 
culated; others call them Sampson's foxes, 
having fire brands, and wish their number 
was completed; for, say they, they are con- 
suming our shocks and standing corn. We 
do not read, brother Bennett, that the Isra- 
elites complained of any injury done them 
by Sampson's stratagem; and it may he, 

edification and exhortation, and comfort, that these complainers are not Jews in 

and ediheth the church. For this purpose, 
I ■•■uuld relate a dream which 1 had a few 
weeks before our division took place in- 
Antioch church. _A< that time, 1 was for 
nian, daysmuch afflicted in spiriton account 
/* of Zion's distressed situation; my sleep de- 
parted from me; I had but little appetite for 
natural food, and so it was I cared but little 
for the affairs of my farm. While thus 
distressed in mind, I had a vision in my 
slumber on my bed, all appearing as plain 
ta me as if I had been really awake. 

Me thought J had two eye teeth on the 

wardly, nor friends to the Old School. If 
Sampson's foxes he a type of your paper, 
their numbers should also agree; and you 
must have three hundred before their num- 
ber is completed, and this you know, will 
take you more than twelve years, (for a 
copy is not another but the same,) and in 
that time it is likely that not only many of 
their shocks and much of their standing 
corn, (cheat) will be consumed, but also 
many of their olives and vineyards. These 
shock makers are busily at work in this 
section; they have an Association in the 



bounds of Echaconna, and are doing all 
they can to make proselytes; holding pro- 
tracted meetings, circulating pamphlets, 
&c. &c. 

Now, Jet us examine the cause of com- 
plaint, and see if your paper is inflamma- 
tory, or has the quality of consuming as 
iire. Read Obadiah 18: The house of 
Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Jo- 
seph a flame, and the house of Esau for 
stubble, and they shall kindle in them and 
devour them; and there shall not be any 
remaining of tho house of Esau : for the 
Lord hath spoken it. Read Matt. 3.12: 
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will tho- 
roughly purge his floor, and gather his 
wheat into the garner; but he will burn up 
the chaff with unquenchable fire. Read 
Luke, 12. 49 : I am come to send fire on 
the earth, &c. 

Now, brother Bennett, if your paper has 
the quality of consuming as fire, I am in- 
clined to think it is of the kind above men- 
tioned; and these complainers have some 
ground for complaint, and should take good 
heed to what kind of seed they sow, and of 
what materials they make their shock; for 
this fire will not burn wheat, but cheat, 
chaff, or stubble only. Read 1. Cor. 3d 
chap. 11th verse to 15th inclusive. 

This fire has been burning more than 
eighteen hundred years, and it willcontmue 
to burn until all the proud, yea, and all th it 
do wickedly shall he stubble; and the day 
shall burn them up, that it shall not leave 
them root nor branch in the church of God. 
It is unquenchable. Not all the anti-chris- 
tia.i streams and rivulets, put in operation 
by all the engines of the pit, can put it out. 

Duly considering these things, brother 
Bennett, should yon, for these complain- 
ers, relent? or should you not rather obey 
the command? Rev. 1 St h chap. 6, 7ih v: 
Reward her even as she rewarded you, 
and double unto her double, according to 
her works in the cup which she hath filled, 
fill unto her double, &c. 

Now, bio. Bennett, if this and my former 
mite will, on an accurate estimate, make a 
farthing of primitive currency, you are 
welcome to supply any omission or indis- 
pensable, and put it to interest. Dear 
brother, farewell. Yours in tribulation. 

Lynchburg, Tennessee, ~) 
jDec.'lOlh, 1S3S. $ 
Brother Editor: Through the mer- 
cies of an indulgent providence, I am per- 
mitted to write you the situation of our 

churches and brethren, in this part of the 
Lord's vineyard; as I see you are instruct- 
ed from other parts of the same proceed- 
ings by your other brethren, who would 
like equally as myself to see the church of 
Christ prosper and grow indeed and in 
truth, founded en tho Lord, even the rock 
that will support the weakest of saints in 
time of the greatest storm, which was the 
rock of Moses. 

Our last Association was somewhat dis- 
tressed, on account of the great question I 
see often mentioned in the Primitive Bap^ 
tist. I must say that I bad no idea of the 
question being so much contended for in 
the world as it appears in your paper 
that it is. The brethren here have had the 
making of Ishmaeliies offered to them time 
after time, but I think brother that the 
Lord passed this way when our brethren 
were born into the kingdom; and there- 
fore, 1 hope and believe they are sons and 
not bastards, and as such have no kindred 
spirits forlshmael, nor none such. Though 
we have a cold time, yet our ministering 
brethren have strength of the Lord, who is 
able to kill or make alive according to his 
own good pleasure. 

As I am no preacher nor grammarian, it 
looks like I should say but little; but I have 
always thought that the members in Christ's 
kingdom should be as lights and as cities 
and lively stones, &c. I hepe the Lord 
may, and I believe he will, prosper and 
preserve his dear people whom he has ever 
loved, and will ever love. 1 have but lit- 
tle doubt our brethren are cautious of tracts 
and pamphlets, missionaries, &c. They 
say, (somo of them,) if the)' knew your 
paper was not a speculation they would 
take it; others say they will take it, for 
they cannot see from the price how there 
can be much speculation in it. So you will 
please send me in addition to heretofore 
the numbers, one to each name. 

You can use my name to the above if 
you sec proper to give it room in vour pa-> 

Sgentat Lync/iburg, Tenn. 

Bibb county, Georgia, > 
Sept. 10///, 1838. S 
Dear brother Bennett: 1 again take 
this method of addressing a few more lines 
to you, to let you know that the longer I 
read your paper the better I like it; for I 
can hear through it from my kindred breth- 
ren throughout the United Stites. I call 
them kindred brethren, because we see eye 
to eye and speak the same language, and 



<eaT\ s>ay Shibbolelh lo each other. 

Now, dear brolher, we hare four sorts of 
Baptists among us; the Old Schools, the 
the Missionists, ihe Go-betweens and the 
Wbiieiies^ and we hear of tbe Campbel- 
lites. but they have never come among us. 
Now, brethren, you will please bear with 
this my second epistle, as I am advancing 
iwar the last step of the steep of life. 1 
was horn in Edgecombe county, North 

j mentsof the world, and not after Christ. 
And again, brethren, I shall call your at- 
tention to the Sth chapter of the Acts of the 
apostles and 9th verse: But there was a 
certain man named Simon, which before 
time in the same city used sorcery, and 
bewitched the people of Samaria, giving 
out that; himself was some great one. 

Now, brethren, to bewitch is to deceive; 
and we find this Simon by his tricks and 

Catolina, in tbe memorable date, 1776. i i pranks had got the whole city of Samaria, 
fiow call myself sixty two years old. f ; both great and small, to believe that he was 

4iave been now rising ten \ ears in the Bap- 
tist church, and have been trying to con- 
tend earnestly for the faith once delivered 

the great power of God. Now we see 
how easy the people were deceived in them 
days, and just as easy deceived now; for I 

to the saints. And one reason for my wri- j recollect very well when I was a small 
tin> again is this: i feel for tbe rising go- ; boy, I heard a great deal said about witch- 
nciauon; for we learn that the Israelites es; that this poor old woman and that poor 
obeyed the commandments of God as long old woman were witches, and I got to be- 
as Joshua and the elders lived, but after licve in witchcraft, and I still believe in it; 
they died, what did they do? why they but I believe now that men instead of the 

went into idolatry right off. 

And now, dear brethren, as I am 
and cannot stay here much longer, I wish 

old women are witches, and have bewitch- 
ed the people with their benevolent insti- 
tutions and societiesof the day as they call 

to leave something behind that will show j them. We see that Simon bewitched the 

the rising generation what we believed, 
i(we the Old School Baptists;) for we do not 
believe ki man, nor the power of man, nor 
the power of money. Thus saith the 

Samaritans, and false teachers bewitched, 
the Galatians, Now let us hear Paula 
little further on the subject: For, he says, 
the time will come when they will not en- 

Lord : Cursed be the man that trusteth in | dure sound doctrine; but after their own 
man, and makctti flesh his arm., and whose \ lusts shall they heap to themselves teach-. 

heart departeth from the Lord. Jeremiah, 
17th chap. Sth verse. But we believe in an 

ers having itching ears, and they shall 
turn away their ears from the Iruth and 

Ailmighty, an Aliwise, and an Allpower- shall be turned unto fables. 2d Timothy, 
ful God, who will carry on his own work ', 4th chap. 3d and 4th verses. But wc are 
in spite of men or devils. And Paul exhorted to watch in all things and to en- 

marvels that the Gallatians were so soon 
removed from him that called them into 
the grace of Christ unto another gospel, 

dure affliction. 

But again: Did not Simon believe? 
yes, Simon believed. Now, when Stc- 

whieh he says is not another. But there phen was stoned to death, there was a great 
were some that troubled them, and would , persecution, and Philip went down to Sj- 
pervert the gospel of Christ. Hut he says, ! maria and preached Christ unto them, and 
though we, or an angel from heaven, j they believed and were baptized, both men 
preach any other gospel unto you than that ! and women; and then we learn, that Simon 
which we have preached unto you, let-fa im I believed also and was baptized, and cou- 
be accursed. And theapostle cries out again I linued with Philip, beholding the miracles 
and sa\s: foolish Galatians, who hath | which he did. But how did it happen that 

bewitched you, that ye should not obey the 
truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath 
been evidently set forth crucified among , 

Simon believed, who had bewitched the 
people so long? Why I think 1 can tell 
you how it happened. Simon found out 
you? Galatians, 3d chap. 1st verse. ] that his craft was in danger, and about to 

Now, brethren, by this we see that the j be discovered; and the people of Samaria 
churches were e.isily bewitched in Paul's had found out that they had been bewitoh- 
day; but no easier then than now, for we ed, and his schemes and plans were now 
still continue the same without much al- about to fail; and that he had better resort 
teration, just as easily bewitched as they to some new scheme or plan, that his old 
were. And Paul warns the Colosian one had entirely failed him, and he could 
church to beware, lest any man should spoil j not think of digging, and, (unlike a num- 
them through philosophy and vain deceit ber in this our day,) he was ashamed to 
after the tradition of men, after the rudi- beg. And could he, (when Peter and 



John came down from Jerusalem to confer ( what ailed him; hut as soon as he iouuu 
the Holy Ghost on the Samaritan brcih- ] out what ailed him, he got well directly, 
ren,) have purchased the art as easy as. And just so with the Baptist churches, if 
men now a days purchase membership in they can only but find out they are bc- 
those missionary societies, he would have . wiiched, thecure is simple and easy. Then 
done good business; for the children of this in this case, we must first find out that we 
world are wiser in their generation than: are bewitched, and then come out. from 
the children of light. But Peler appeared among them, and, (touch not; tasle not; 
to clip the wings of his imagination when 'handle not; which all are to perish with 
he told him, that his money would per- . th'j using;) after the commandments and 
ish with him, and that he had neither part | doctrines of men. Colosians, 2d chap. 
nor lot in the matter; but was yet in the! 21st and 22d verses — which only have a 
gall of bitterness, and in the bond of ini- show of wisdom in will worship, 
quity. And the last we hear from hini j Now, dear brethren, the old apostle 
was, his request to Peter to pray the says: Ye are all' the children of light and 
Lord for him, that none of the things the children of the day; we are not of the 
whereof Peter spoke might come upon I night nor of darkness; therefore, let us not 
him. Now, dear brethren, I fear we have j sleep as do others, but let us watch and be 
too many Simon believers in this our da}' J sober. 1st Thessalonians, 5th chap. 5lh and 
and time; that rather go to the theological Cth verses : For he says, they that sleep, 
schools and learn to preach, than to stay at ' sleep in the night; and they that be drunken 
home and work, and eat their bread by the , are drunken in the night. Old father 
sweat of their face. j Bunyati mentions a certain parcel of 

Once more, we will call your altenlion ' ground to go through between the city of 
to Balaam and his witchcraft. Now, from ] destruction and the celestial city, and he 
the account we have of this man Balaam, j calls it the enchanted ground, and pilgrims 
we think he was a M idianitc; and we find i incline to be drowsy while passing over it. 
that he bad so completely bewitched the Now, brethren, I fear we have taken a nap 
people, not only the Midianites but the ; on this enchanted ground ;but it is high lime 
jVIoabites also, insomuch that the king of j for us to awake to righteousness, and sin 
JVloab sends honorable messengers for him, j not. Wherefore he saiih, awake, thou 
with the reward of divination in their j that steepest; and arise from the dead and 
hands, to come and curse Israel for him. j Christ shall give thee light. Ephesians, 
For, says he, I wot that he whom thou ! 5th chap, and 14th verse, 
blessest is blessed, and he whom ihou Now ; brethren, in the conclusion I shall 
curstst is cursed. And the next we hear adopt the language of the poet and say : 
from Balaam after this case is, that he was 
slain with the sword in the buttle between 
Israel and the Midianites. 1 shall now 

close the subject of Balaam in the words of 
the poet. 

But Balaam's wish was vain, 

His heart was insincere;' 
He thirsted tor unrighteous gain, 

And sought a portion here, 
lie seemed the Lord to know, 

And to offend him loth; 
But mammon proved his overthrow, 
• For none can serve them both; 

Now, brethren, as I have been rather 
lengthy in my esaay on the subject of 
witches and witchcraft, I am now about to 
prescribe a certain cure for the complaint 
Some eighteen or twenty years ago, 1 lived 
neighbour to a very pious old Methodist 
man, and I think he was a Christian; and 
he was in very good and easy circum- 
stances, and he told me that he was very 
much troubled with the hyppo, and he said 

Help us to build each other up, 

Our little stock improve; 
Increase our faith, confirm our hope. 

And perfect us in love. 
And when the mighty work is wrought, 

Receive the ready bride; 
Give us in heaven a happy lot, 
' With all the sanctified. 

Now, brother Bennett, may the God of 
all grace he with you through life's uneven 
ways, to guide and direct you into all truth, 
is the prayer of your unworthy friend and 
brother in the bonds of love and affliction.! 


Greene county, Alabama, > 
Bee. 24th, 1S3S. 5 
Brother Bennett: I have in posses- 
sion a Circular Letter, written by a polish- 
ed preacher that is here among us, from 
the 33d verse of the 13th chapter of the 

when he had it the worst, he did not know l gospel of Jesus Christ by Matthew: Anoth- 



er parable spake lie unto them; The king- 
dom of heaven is like unto leaven, which 
a woman took, and hid in three measurcsof 
meal, till the whole was leavened. 

He begins to treat on it as follows: The 
kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven — 
the gospel of oirr adorable Saviour is nere 
compared to leaven from its various quali- 
ties, sueh as, piercing, searching, diffusing, 
fermenting, swelling, and subjecting. 
Which s woman took, and hid in three 
measures of meal, till the whole was lea- 
vened — by the woman we are to under- 
stand the church, and by the meal the 
world; and in a special manner the eject 
in the world. New as it is the work of a 
woman to hide the leaven in the meal, till 
the whole was leavened, so it is the work 
of the church to preach or have the gospel 
preached in the world, till the w)io!e is 
brought under its influence. Just in the 
same proportion as the meal is dependent 
on an agent to put the leaven into ii, so is 
the world dependent on the church for the 
word of life and salvation. &c. &c. 

Tirol her Bennett, your subscribers here 
would be glad to read your views, or bro- 
ther Lawrence's, on the above text. 

Yours in the bonds of love. 




Edgecombe couniy, N, C.hm. 29, 1839, 
Brother Editors: In looking over ami ransack- 
ing a drawer where I keep letters sent to me and 
copies of those I write to others, I found one 
written to old Sam of Virginia, who will know it 
when read by hint; which has been neglected 
publication, although it was his request, as an 
answer to his letter to me. I ask his pardon, as it 
was from forgetful ness and not want of affection, 

2d March, 183G. 
The matter whereof you wrote to me in yours 
of last month, in a short way stands thus in my 
view: The wicked beggars that make gain by 
godliness and merchandize of the poor saints, 
may rage and rave, and build their altars to curse 
us; but the God of Israel will plug up their 
mouths and turn them to blessings, Balaam-like. 
Why, brother Samuel, I was perhaps the first in 
North Carolina that took a decided stand against 
beggars in boots and broadcloth. I know not, 
and I have never seen one yet, that I dreaded; and 
many have been glad to stop their mouths and Wet 

offas easy as they couldi For I tell you, mis- 
sions with all its train is a bad cause to plead; for 
the end of the plea is money from rich and poor, 
from widows, children, and negroes— then great, 
for two hours in the pulpit, is the god mammon. 
For who is there among you in Virginia, that 
does not know that agents, beggars, hirelings, 
Bible distributors, tract venders, with all tire 
whole machinery of missions and school-priest 
teachers, worship this god mammon — money? and 
thus serve God for filthy lucre sake. 

And, Sam,l will ask you, and say as the devil 
did to God about Job: Doth Job fear or serve God 
for nought 1 ? Does the missionary priest serve God 
for nought? Answer me, Sam, in yours to me; if 
you think such an old oddity worth writing to, I 
say, if the devil was in North Carolina, he 
might bristle up to the Almighty and say with 
great confidence: Do the missionaries and all the 
band of new schemers serve God for nought? 
And, Sam, I ask you what heaven's God could 
say, knowing what yon know, knowing what I 
know to be facts? 1 must say, these serve God for 
pay, divine for hire; beg for part, preach for a dol- 
lar a day, preach and form societies for $40 per 
month — go about and beg people fo build the mill 
and then send their corn, and then get all the toll 
for grinding. If this is gospel preaching, I am 
yet a fool in Christian politics — which sayeth; 
Freely ye have received, freely give. But this 
I band of purse plunderers say: A dollar a day, and 
i a sermon you shall have; or, your money, my 
: good ladies, and preaching you shall have. And, 
| by the by, he never tells he is to have $40 per 
i month for joining Christ and Baal in wedlock; or, 
in other words, for joining the gospel minister 
; and the honorable beggar in religious duplicity 
and hypocrisy, for gain by godliness to fill his own 

And now, brother Sam, I want you to tell ms 
in yours, what is the difference between funeral 
and marriage fees, and tithes of Virginia tobacco 
in old Patrick. Henry's day; or the pope's sale of 
absolutions, indulgences, and praying out of pur- 
gatory; or the pay of the Hindoos for worshipping 
Juggernaut? If there is any difference, with my 
spectacles I cannot see it. For trade in the 
church is trade, whether it be in the church of hea- 
thens, Jews, Mahometans, or of Christians; I can 
see no difference. For trade is trade, whether in 
broadcloths, silks or satins; or in pins, fish hooks 
and jack knives. So the merchant of these things 
gets the pay, what is the difference? tit for tat. 
So then what' is the difference between missiona- 
ry traders' in memberships and life memberships, 
&c. &c. &c. and heathen, Jewish, Mahometan, 
! and popish traders? Pray tell me in yoursi For 
I 1 have long been of the opinion that, from then: 



the Christian church has learned the art of church the doctrine of grace, that they oppose, as ugly as 

possible, by tacking disrespectful epithets to it, 
such as Kehukeeans, Ironsides, or Do-nothings; 
names they leani from their bell-wether Icadersi 

So we find it was in the days of the a|K>stle 
Paul, when they applied to him, saying, "We de- 
sire toJiear of thee what thou thinkesi; for as con- 
cerning this sect, we know that every where it is 
spoken against. "' Now the question ariseth, who 
were this sect, that was thus every where spoken 
against'? And when they had appointed him a 
day, he granted their request and gave them his 
thoughts and reasons, (founded on the scriptures,) 
that he belonged to that sect thus spoken of every 
where. But it was then as now, by those world- 
ly professors, "some believed and some Lelieved 
not;" who held lhat their plans were better, or as 
good as God's, And this is the reason that the 
lambs of Christ's fold contend so strenuously for 
God's plan of salvation by grace; which makes 
their names now evil spoken of. And as some 
spoke against God's way of salvation then, and 
his people that contended for it then, and the doc- 
trine flowing therefrom, so now. And although 
the doctrine and discipline was then learnt in this 
Old School by the people of God, which made 
them so despised, just so it does now; for the Old 
School Baptists are now spoken against every 
where, by all other religious societies. And this 
is one strong proof they are right in being opposed 
to the new inventions of the dayi 

If I was asked, why I thought that Paul and his 
contemporaries were of this Old School order, I 
should be safe in answering, because they con- 
tended that salvation was by grace, and not by the 
works of the law. For it was, then, Christwould 
bo dead in vain. And God never left himself 
without a witness in the dark ages of the world, 
which caused some Old School Baptists »o take 
refuge in the valleys of Piedmont — and others, (in 
later years,) to flee to the forests of America; and 
then and there they founded an Association, to 
commune and to hold correspondence with each 
other; first at Philadelphia, in the State of Penn- 
sylvania; and at Charleston, in the State of South 
Carolina; and ai Kehukee, in the State of North 
Cerolina. From those bodies the Old School 
Baptists have spread, and are still spreading. And 
as they were established on Christ, upon him the 
chief corner etone, and on the prophets and apos- 
tles, this is the reason that the gates of hell 
could not, nor cannot prevail against them. 

From these bodies, with the aid of the Bible, 
they established their creeds, or faith, founded on 
Christ the chief corner stone, or foundation; on 
which the prophets and apo6tles are built, which 
they believe are agreeable with the scriptures of 
truth; and view the New School system of Fu£- 

traffic. For in the trade of the heathen, Jewish, 
Mahometan, popish, and high church, the mer- 
chant priests got all the money; so in missions and 
the new schemes of the day the priests get all the 
money, and manage all the money affairs. No 
wonder then they pocket the cash and cry: Great 
is the goddess of mission's. And why? Because 
their pockets will soe-n be empty if they cannot 
sell their services to Boards and Conventions, 
and dupe men and women in societies to get their 
money and away; for to work they are too grand, 
but to begin the name of societies they are not a- 
shamed, and more is the pity; because in begging 
time they are not known but are behind the socie- 
ty's curtiiin, but in shearing time they get most of 
the fleece. And this you know js the truth* 

And now, dear brother, please write nre how 
things are <zriu£ on in Virginia, as I have not 
been in the State in fifteen years, and do not hear 
much from your State. Let me know the generals 
of mission affairs, that I may ccck up my hat 
when I see them and prepare for battle. As 1 am 
nothing but a backwoodsman, it is necessary 1 
Should be on my guard, with my sword on my 
thigh; for it is-a time of night with the church of 
God," you know, or else the wolves would not be 
scattering sheep, and grinning, growling, howl- 
jug, and prowling after yon, nie, and others, as 
they do. But let the devil like a lion roar and 
scout the blood of saints, and hungry wolves jn 
council all unite as it" to attack a buffalo, fear no'.; 
God is God, and that is enough for you and me, 


Martin cf/iai/i/, A", C. Jan, 1839, 
Dear brother Fuitoks: Through the indu 
gence of a kind and benevolent Provjdeuee, I am 
permitted to take up my pen once more, to cor- 
respond with you, and through your useful peri- 
odical th<3 Primitive fiaptist with your correspon- 
dents, in some few of these United States, as the 
dear children of God. 

Brethren, the world of mankind that pretend to 
make a profession of religion, (for a few years 
past,) seem to have been in a state of ferment, a- 
bout the all-important matter of religion, some 
tacking to it the religion of the world, and the in- 
ventions of men; and you may hear the cry, 
••Great is Diana of the Ephesians." And in some 
sects and societies of religionists some saying this, 
and some that, of their men-made inventions, with 
higher standing than God's way. And thus they 
will unite in parlies and sound long and loud huz- 
zas for their favorite plan, and stigmatize the 
faithful followers of the Lamb, and try to make 



If-rism, Campbollism, or Glarkism, b.ottomed on 
Arminiiinism. Some of these isms I have read, 
and some of their authors I have heard preach; 
and they are nothing more, or less, than what the 
world and nature can produce. And why, he- 
cause the carnal mind understandeth not the things 
of the spirit of Cod, for they are spiritually dis- 
cerned; and nature knows it not, And this is the 
reason why there are so many systems, and they 
differ like the false witnesses brought against 
Christ at his trial before Herod; for they agree in 
scarcely one thing, excepting opposition to truth, 
and to the dishonor of God and his plan for man's 
salvation and redemption. And strictly examine 
and watch them closely, and it will he found they 
contradict themselves, and no two perfectly agree; 
because their schemes are founded in error, and 
not on Jesus Christ the true and sure foundation; 
on which God's true prophets and apostles build 
fnr.safety. And although the flock of Christ is, 
and was always small, "none were safe but they." 
Then how consoling is the language of Jesus 
Christ to the saints: Fear not, little flock, it is 
your Father's good pleasure to give you the king- 
dom." Then hail, all hail, ye highly favored 
few! who needs fear'? if God is for you and on 
your side, you need not fear men or devil*; for the 
foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, 
1 he Lord knoweth them that are his. And they 
are engraven on the palms of his hands, and on his 

Some seem to be fixing their plans on what 
they call, "A genefal atonement and special ap- 
plication," Now if the atonement is genera], and 
from God, thpn the application must be general al- 
so; and then they will fall into the Universalist 
scheme, and run against God's plan of salvation, 
and eternal punishment of sinners. 

Hence, brethren, what ground you have to exa- 
mine yourselves, to see whether ye be in the 
faith or not, which God once gave unto the saints; 
and to see whether some of the drugs of error do 
not hang to your skirts, either in principle or prac- 
tice; and strive for a purgation from the dross and 
error that are so prevalent abroad in these days of 
darkness. And when this is done effectually, then, 
and not till then, may we expect to realize the 
sight, that Zion will again travel, and the light of 
genuine religion will shine gloriously. For this 
let us wait patiently on the Lord, for it must com*} 
by him and not by men or money. Therefore the 
new schemes of the day are no more to be depen- 
ded on io get to heaven by, than those that the en- 
emy of souls is b/ilching out from the bottomless 

Tims, brother Editors, stand firm on the ground 
yon have taken and meet the assaults of your ene- 
my manfully, is the advice of your aged friend 

who subscribes himself your well-wisher in the 
bonds of the gospel. JOS, BIGGS, Scn'r, 


Slate of North Curolina, > 
Warren counly. S 
The Baptist church, Allen's meeting 
house, on the fourth Saturday in Novem- 
ber, IS3S, after preaching, conference im- 
mediately took up the subject of missions, 
wit li all connected therewith: which had 
existed mere or less in said church for se- 
veral years. And coming to the conclu- 
sion, that the members had sufficient time 
to reflect and make up their minds on the 
subject, and that every effort for full fel- 
lowship had failed, thought tire time had 
arrived to test the subject by vole; which 
resulted in favor of the ancient order of U- 
nited Baptists, that being the faith and or- 
der on which the church was constituted — 
believing that part of the church, which 
declared in favor of new things, (declared 
by some little things,) have wandered out 
of the way of understanding; Proverbs, 
21. 16; dt patted from original principles, 
and left the church. 

Now we, the United Baptist members 
of the church in the county and State afore- 
said, believing the modern institutions ta- 
king them together are the inventions of 
men, and have no foundation in fact; we 
are therefore constrained to declare we 
have no fellowship for them, or for them 
that have. Wo now say to our brethren 
of the same faith and order, both ministers 
and members, that our doors and our hearts 
are always open and ready to receive vou; 
and as we are now left without a regular 
minister, hope none who may have an op- 
portunity will pass by without giving us 
a call. 

By order of the church, Saturday before 
the fourth Sunday in Dec'r, 1S3S. 


The Editors of the Primitive Baptist will 
please insert the above, J. S. 


Pittsylvania, Va. Nov. 4th, 1S3S. 
Dear brethren: I wish to let you hear 
from me again, as 1 have to write to bro- 
ther Bennett; though it is through weak- 
ness and ignorance that I write. But as I 
find much comfort and pleasure in hearing 
from my brethren, I also am willing that 
they may hear from me; though J havQ : . 



though! often, that I never would trouble 
the Editor with any more of my scrawls, 
?,s 1 know I cannot write in a good stvle. 
But again, when the time comes, it does 
seem 1 hat I must say something to mv 
brethren, hoping that t he Lord will enable 
me to say something that will do some 
good to, the children, or some of them; as 
I believe it is our duty to speak often one 
to another. 

So I wish to speak to my brethren! iho' 
far from me and unknown in the flesh, yet 
well known in the spirit; and hope that 
we may be a comfort one to another, as 
long as God may please to keep .us Lri this 
world., through the Primitive Baptist. 
For I can say of a truth, that I am well 
pleased with our paper, and think it a bless- 
ing and a great blessing 1o us from God. 
And I wish to he thankful to God for the 
same, and think we ought to thank God 
for our Editor, z.m\ pray the Lord to ena- 
ble him to discharge his duty as an editor; 
which I think he has done as well as any 
other. Though 1 am well pleased with 
brother Lowe and bis paper, and am I 
hope thankful to God first, and to brother 
Lowe for the five numbers that he sent 
me; and will be glad to hear that bis pa- 
per does get encouragement. And there 
Is another paper, which I have been bless- 
ed with the privilege of seeing four num- 
bers of; for which I desire to thank God, 
for raising up such a man as brother Jcw- 
ett, and making him an editor of so valua- 
ble a paper as the Christian Doctrinal Ad- 
vocate. May the Lord bless you, my 
brethren, who have just set out, with a 
sound mind in tilings common and special, 
and with a heart firm for the truth of the 

1 hope the Lord will hasten the time 
when 1 can see my neighbors subscribing 
for jour papers, for here is much conten- 
tion among the Baptists in the Roanoke 
and Strawberry Associations; and they are 
becoming very disorderly as B.iptists, and 
orient not to be together. For some of 
them will declare non fellowscip with the 
Association a lid join another Association 
which will not fellowship any of the new- 
schemes of men, and then the church to. 
which they did belong did excommunicate 
them; and yet some in that Association 
will fellowship them, and so go on in dis- 

And here I will give you one case, 
which I know something about. A bro- 

the church to which he belonged in the 
Roanoke district, declared non-fellowship 
with that church and Association, because 
the)' would encourage the missionary spi- 
rit and the rest of men's inventions, and 
joined us, the Pig River Association; and 
then the church excommunicated him. 
Now he in the Roanoke stands excommu- 
nicated, and we as a church grant him the 
privilege of exercising his gift as a preacher; 
and he is a precious brother with us. Rut 
here is the difficulty in the Roanoke : some 
of the Baptists sav he is disorderly and 
will not fellowship him, while some sav he 
has done right and invite him to preach, 
and let him preach at their house. 

Here is confusion, and such as is wrong; 
but I am. in hopes of better times here, for 
it ia written, a house divided against itself 
cannot stand. Sol think the missionaries 
must fall, for lure is a split, and so they 
must separate sooner or Into r. And I pray 
God that it may be quick, if consistent with 
his will; hut thy will, O Lord,be done; and 
not mine. For, Lord, I cannot have a 
good will without it is your will to give it 
to me, and so let them that glory, glory in 
the Lord of heaven and earth; who hath 
power fo -save whosoever he will, and pnw- 
erto condemn who he will. And his right 
is as big as bis power or mercy, so he can 
say I will have mercy on whom I will have 
mercy; and whom I will, I harden. And 
I believe he has the p#wer and the right to 
do it, and we as his creatures have no right 
to say in way of challenge: Jehovah, 
what or why docst thou thus or so? No, 
we have not; for he is God and we are his 
creatures, so be has a right to do with us 
what he will. And O, that it might be his 
will to make us, brethren, willing to submit 
to him and love him more and serve him 

Nothing more, so farewell, my brethren 
in the Lord. 



Georgia, Troup count i/.\ 
Dec. 2(5lh, 1S3S. ' S 
Brother Bennett : It appears to me, 
that there is an increasing desire amongst 
the brethren to read your paper; and I be- 
lieve it has and is still doing much good in 
this country. And I wish all our brethren 
to read it, and also to read other papery 

which are in circulation on the other side, 
ther who was a preacher, by permission of land compare them together and examine 



ihe scriptures on both slues; and which- 
ever comes nearest agreeing with the word 
of Gol to follow. You will therefore, 
please send on your paper, beginning with 
the 4th vol. to the places and names below, 
i ours, with due respect, occ. 



Georgia, Monroe county, } 
Oct. 19/A, 1838. 5 

Dear brother Bennett: Giace be 
unto you. and peace he multiplied. The 
object of the present communication is, to 
detect error and to expose tire fallacy of 
New School ism. 

Mr. H. Holcombe, of Ala., writes in the 
Mobile Monitor a lengthy essay, concern- 
ing the title of Old and New School Bap- 
tists; and after bringing up a long list of 
missionary operations, on purpose to prove 
themselves to be entitled to the name of 
Old School Baptists, concludes thus : The 
English and Welch Baptists, andtne Ame- 
rican Baptists, especially those of Rhode 
Island, Virginia, North and South Caro- 
lina, wpre missionary Baptists. They 
have collected funds for missions, and for 
the education of young men for the min- 
istry; they have sent out men to labor in 
the Lord's vineyard and paid them their 
wages, as was done in the apostolic age. 

Here Mr. H. would have us believe, 
that the apostles were .missionary Baptists; 
that they, like modern mission men do, 
were going about collecting funds for mis- 
sionary purposes; such as educating young 
men for the ministry, and sending them 
forth abroad to labor in the Lord's vine- 
yard, paying them their wages, &c. &c. 
Pity but tbat professed antiquarian had 
cited us to which of the apostles collected 
funds for missions, and educated young 
men to minister about holy things, sent 
them out to labor in the Lord's vineyard; 
what were the wages paid unto them, and 
who was paymaster? That reverend gen- 
tleman would do (at least some of us) a pe- 
culiar favor to turn down a leaf and point 
bis finger (fcj** at the chapter and verse of 
the New Testament, where the apostles set 
the example he speaks of. 

The great head of the church sent forth 
bis twelve, and commanded them to preach 
the gospel, heal the sick, cleanse the lep- 
ers, raise the dead, cast out devils. Freely 
ye have received, freely give. Provide 
neither gold nor silver, nor brass in your 

purses, nor scrip for your journey; neither 
two coats ncr two pair of shoe-t, for the 
workman is worthy of his meat The 
seventy commanded he likewise. And 
when they returned, he asked them if they 
lacked any thing? Thev said Unto him,' 
we lacked nothing. I would here remark, 
Mr. H.j that persecution was the wages 
paid to tho^e apostolic preachers of the gos- 
pel. Their Redeemer, the Holy One of 
Israel, had taught them that in the world 
they should have tribulation; but in me ye 
shall have pence. And thev that live tjo'd- 
ly in Christ Jesus,' shall suffer persecution. 
Mr. H , in another part of his essay, 
pronounces old bro. J. Lawrence to be the 
leader of the Old School Baptists. Now, 
bro. Bennett, with the help of God, I will 
try to show you and the brethren the fal- 
lacy of his statement. We love brother 
Lawrence in truth fir the truth's sake; but 
we can inform Mr. H., that our faith is not 
pinned to the sleeve of old bro. Laurence; 
neither do we know or acknowledge any 
; man after the flesh as our leader, governor, 
or director. We trust not an arm of flesh. 
! Our defence is a munition of rocks. Our 
| faith is staid in him of whom Moses in the 
law and prophets did write. And if Mr. H. 
hasaii y desire to know the name of our lead- 
er, I would refer him to Jcr. xxiii. 5, G: Be- 
hold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I 
j will raise unto David a righteous branch, 
! and a king shall reign and prosper, and" 
j shall execute judgment and justice in the 
'earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, 
and Israel shall dwell safely : and this is his 
name whereby he shall be called, THE 
lsa. ix — 6: For unto us a child is born, 
(this - is the child promised to the Virgin 
Mary — thou shalt bring forth a son, and 
shall call his name Jesus, who shall save his 
people from their sins — unto usr a child is 
born, this day in the city of David, a Sa- 
| viour which is Christ the Lord.) Unto us 
I a son is given. Unto you that fear my 
; name shall the Son of Righteousness arife 
with healing in his wings. For God so 
loved the world, that he gave his only be- 
; gotten Son, that whosoever believeth in 
him should not perish but have everlasting 
life. Unto us a child is born, unto us a 
son is given, and the government shall be 
upon his shoulder; and his name shall be 
called Wonderful Counsellor, the mighty 
God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of 
Peace. Of the increase of his government 
and peace tbere shall be no end. 



Again, Isa. xxxii-*~2: A man shall boas 
a hiding place from the wind, and a covert 
from the tempest, llerti I would remark, 
lhat when the tempestuous winds of per- 
secution arise, the Christian shall flee to 
Christ his hiding place: For the name of 
ihe Lord is a strong -towel", the righteous 
runneth into it and are safe. Prov. xviii— = 
18. And a covert from the tempest — as 
rivers of water in a dry place Remark, 
when the weary pilgtim is Wandering in a 
dry and thirsty land, and his soul is thirst- 
ing after God as the hart doth pant aficr the 
Water brook, and seeking the word of his 
grace; then Our glorious Lord will be unto 
us a place of oroad rivers and streams, 
Wherein shall go no galley with oars, nor gal- 
lant ship pass thereb}'. Isa. xxxiii-^— 2L 
The ship of pride and worldly gran- 
deur shall Hot pass thereby, but wayfaring 
men shall pass thereby; and there drink of 
the river the stream whereof shall make 
glad the city of God. And as the shadow 
of a grc3t rock in a weary land — tremhling 
saints may Well cry out in the language of 
the spouse of old: I sat down under his sha- 
dow with great delight, and his fruit, (the 
oil and the wine of his grace, the odorife- 
rous perfumes of his loving kindness, and 
the sweet and precious promises of the gos- 
pel,) were sweet to my soul. And this 
man (Christ Jesus) shall be the peace when i 
the Assyrian shall come into our land; and 
when he shall tread in pur palaces, then | 
shall we raise against him seven shepherds ; 
and eight principal men. Mic. v--5. 

I shall use the Assyrian here mention- 
ed, to represent Satan; and the Assyrian 
host, as sinners; the whole host of cun^ 
r.ingly devised fables, human traditions, 
missionary priestcraft; as the fruits of the 
man of sin, new inventions have poured in j 
to our palaces, and are treading (in our I 
places of worship) like grasshoppers for ] 
multitude. Then shall we, Old School 
Baptists, raise against him seven shep- 
herds and eight principal men. By the 
seven shepherds we are to understand the 
seven communicable attributes of the Dei- 
ty, goodness, holiness* wisdom, love, 
truth, &c : which will keep and guide the 
enquiring child of God, and lead him to 
tread in the footsteps of the flock. The 
eight principal men I understand to be the 
writers of the New Testament: Matthew, 
Mark, Luke, and John; Paul, Peter, 
James, and Jude; who bear testimony of 
Jesus Christ. Their testimony is \vb-at we 
are to raise against the Assyrian man of 

sin, missionary priestcraft, &c. So (lie 
weapons of warfare are not carnal, but 
mighty through God to the pulling down 
of strongholds. 

And last of all, I will refer Mr. Hol- 
combe to the first and second articles of the 
abstract of principles upon which all Old 
School Baptist churches and Associations 
arc constituted. We believe in one' only 
true and living God, who is infinite in 
wisdom, power and goodness; without be- 
ginning of days or end of time; with whom 
is neither variableness, not shadoWof turn- 
ing; that there are three that bare record 
in heaven, the Father, the Son, and Holy 
Ghost; these three are one, equal, co- 
equal, co-csscntial, and co-eternal. We 
believe the scriptures of the Old and New- 
Testaments are the word of God, and t';e 
only rule of faith and practice. 

A word of exhortation to Old School 
Baptists, who are yet lingering in the 
plains of Babylon, and I elosd. Come out 
of her, my people; escape for your life; 
look not behind thee, neither stay thou in 
all the plains, (of Babylon,) but flee to the 
mountains, least thou be consumed: gird 
on the whole armor of God, and rally a- 
round the standard of king Jesus; let* no 
man's heart fail him, but grasp his sword 
and rush to the battle against the enemies 
of the cross; and let him fight the good 
fight of faith, and you shall come ofl" more' 
than conquerors through him that loved 
us. Grace be unto you, and peace be mul- 
tiplied. Amen. 



Chambers county, Alabama, ~) 
Dec. 30th, 1S3S $ 

Deak brother Bennett : I fear you 
think hard of me. I have been taking 
your paper for two years lacking some 
months, and know not whether yott have 
received any pay. I therefore enclose 
$2 to you, and wish you to send me your 
paper till I have received as many num- 
bers as I am entitled to for the money I 
send you; and as I esteem the paper high- 
ly for the principles it supports, in all pro- 
bability if 1 should live I will forward you 
more money and continue to take your pa- 
per. ^ 

I could write lengthily, but it is un- 
necessary; it is generally known that, 
divisions exist among the Baptists in this 
country, and such divisions are truly af- 



■Aiding to every lover of truth; or tbat es- 
teem primitive principles. 

I close by subscribing myself your? in 
gospel bonds. JAMES GRA Y. 

Tennessee, Jefferson county, > 
Dec. 26th, 1S3S. 5 

Bear brother in the Lord: I em- 
brace this opportunity to write y^u a few- 
lines, to let you know tbat I have received 
my papers. I am well pleased with them. 
I wish you to send me six copies of the 
14lh number of the 3d volume," having 
seen in il a piece on A valid Baptism; 
which pleased me so well I want to get the 
paper. , 

I am glad to bear that there are some 
old apostolic kind of Baptists in America, 
thanks be to God for his divine protection 
in taking care of his go*pel and church. 
There is no doubt but God will carry on 
his work over the head of all opposition. 
I will try to give more information at a fu- 
ture time. 

I close my letter by subscribing myself 
Vour unworthy brother in the Lord. 

*We are unable to comply with this re- 
quest, as we have distributed all our sur- 
plus numbers. 

pointed by Elder S. I. Chandler, at Flat 
River meeting house, Person county? 

Our church, to \Vit, Mount Zion, is situ- 
ated in the south-east corner of Halifax 
county, and on the frontiers of Arminian- 
ism. If any of our brethren in the minis- 
try can come and see us, we would receive 
them thankfully. 

Signed in behalf of the church. 



Halifax coiinty>, Virginia, ~) 
Jtin. 2nd, 1839. \ 

Dear brethren in Christ: We are 
but a feeble band of followers of the lowly 
Jesus, in this part of God's vineyard; and 
have to meet with opposition from many 
who profess to be disciples of Christ, but 
speak a language different from the Primi- 
tive saints. Their language is 5 do and 
live; the more money the more preaching. 
But we, as a church, feel our poverty and 
cannot give the priee they ask for their 
preaching; say three hundred dollars a 
year. We understand from scripture lhat, 
the poor have the gospel preached to them; 
and Christ said to his apostles, freely ye 
have received, freely give. We have the 
labor of our pastor, and two licensed breth- 
ren to labor in the field alone; but God 
who stood by Bavid when he fought 
against the uncircumcised philistines, we 
hope will stand by them. 

Cannot some of our Old School brethren 
come to our assistance and preach to us, as 
as Ihey goto or return from the meeting ap- 

Fowtton, Decalur counly, Ga. } 
Bee. 31s/, is33. 3 

Bear Brother Bennett : Happening 
tosee a No., perhaps the 21st No. of the 
3rd Vol. of the Primitive Baptist, which 
struck my attention, facts seemed to be 
there disclosed, that I think arc of great 
importance to me and the country 1 live in. 
I have thought that perhaps I might b/e, «if 
a Baptist al all, (I mean a Christian,) one 
of the Old School; and on seeing your pa- 
per 1 became more convinced that it was 

Knowing of no agency of yours in this 
section, or near where I live, I have 
thought proper to address you in this way; 
wishing to see your p:iper widely circula- 
ted through every section of the country. 
Some 1 see among us of our order, < though 
i feel glad there are but few,) that seem to 
to be carried away with the new schemes of 
the day. For the purpose of giving my 
small influence for a good cause, if you will 
send me six copies .of the "Primitive Bap- 
tist," I will in return send you five dollars, 
which 1 believe arc your terms for one 


North Carolina. — J. Biggs, Sen. Williamston 
II. M. G. Moore, Germanton. W. W. Mizcl 1, Ply- 
mouth. Jacob Swindell, Waahyngtom James Sou- 
therlancl, Warrcnton. \lfred Partin, Raleigh. 
Charles Mason, Roxboro\ James Wilder, An- 
da-soil's Store. B,enj. JJynuni, Speight's Bridge. H. 
A. vera, Averasboro' . Parham Packet, Richlands. 
John H. Keneday, Chalk Level. Burvvell Tem- 
ple, Wake county. Obadiah Howell, Rogers' 1 P. O. 
Goo. W. McNeely, Leaksvilk. David J. Mott, 
Long Creek Bridge. Ely Holland, Smithfield, 
James Dobson, Sarecta. Stephen Rogers, Holly 
Spring. James H. Sasser, Waynesboro" 1 . John 
Fruit, Sandy Creek. L. B. Bennett, Hcathville. 
fas. P. Daniel, Stantonsburg. Willis L. Gooch, 
Buffalo Bill, Alfred Ellis, Strabane, Cor's Ca- 
naday, Carterettsvil/e, William Welch, Abbott's 
Creekt J. Lamb, Camden C. Hi 

South Carolina. — Wm. Hardy, Saluda Bill, 
James Hembree, Sen. Anderson C. H. Frederick 
Ross, Cambridge. John Gambrell, Big Creek 



Mills. Lewis Shirrell, Silver Glade. B, Law- 
rence, Effingham, James Burns, Sen. Buhl 
Spring. \\ illiam S. Shaw, Ruck Mills. Levi 
Lee, B/ackville. 

Georcia. — William Mosely, Bear Creek. Edw. 
S. Duke, Fuyettevillc. A. Cleveland, McDonough. 
James Henderson, Monticcl/o. A. B. Reid, 
Bmn-nsville. John McKenney, Forsyth. Antho- 
ny Ho'loway, Lagrange. Patrick M. Calhoun, 
Knoxville. J. M. Rockmore, Mountain Creek. 
Edn.:M Stewart, Hootensville. Rowel 1 Reese, 
Eatonton. Thomas Amis, Lexington. Jonathan 
Ncel, Macon, Charles P. Hansford, Union Hilt. 
John VV. Turner, Pleasant Hill. Joslma Bowdoin, 
ildairsvlllc. R.'l'oler, Upatoie. Clark Jackson, Fort 
Gaines. John Gayden, Franklin. John S. Keith, 
Luth'rsvillc. P. H. Edwards, Georgetown. .Win. 
Trice, Thomasion. Wm. Bowden, Union Valley. 
Ezra McOrary, Warrenton. W iley Penrco, Cairo. 
G. V\ . Holilield, Vernon. B. Pace. Clean Town. 
Lewis PeaScock, Qassville. Vaehal 13. VVhntloy, 
Barnesvi/lc. Alex. Garden, Mount Mornc. Tho- 
mas I. Johnson, Newnun. Elias 0. Hawthorn, 
Bciubndge. John G. Wintringham, Hulloca. Wil- 
liam M. Amos, Greenville. Randolph Arnold, 
Latimer's Store. Thomas J. Bazemore, Clinton. 
Jo-dal'^Stovall. .'Iquilla. G. P. Cannon, Culloden- 
ville. Jason Greer, Indian Springs. William 
McElvy, Mtapulgus. Furna Ivey, Millcdgeville. 
William Garrett, 'Flicker's Cabin, Jesse Moore, 
Irwiulon. Leonard Pratt, JVhilcsville. , Thomas 
A. Sulliv?.'ri, Decatur. Thomas J. Johnson, New- 
nan. B. J' Ilendon, Corinth. Robert B. Mann, 
Che.mi:t Grove. William Tippit, Cedar Branch. 
A. G. Simmons, Hsckory Grove, John Lanhon, 
Chenuba. Thomas C\ Trice, Hillsboro', John 
Herington, Welborn's Mills, John MoCorquo- 
dale, Parchifala. James P. EWisTfjmeville. Shu- 
mate J. Sloan, Chemut Hil). French Haggard, 
Athens. Henry Barron, Jackson, John Murray, 
Fort Valley, josiah Gresham, Utoy. 

Alabama. : — L. B. Mosely, Cuhuwba. A. Kea- 
ton, McConico. John Blackstone, La FayeUe. W, 
W. Carlisle, Fredonia. Henry Dance, Dahiel's 
Prairie. Wm. W. Walker, Liberty Hill. Dan'l 
Gafford, Greenville. Samuel Moore, Snow Hill. 
John G. Walker, Milton. Henry Williams, Ha- 
vana. Samuel Clay, Mount Hebron. John F. Lq- 
vett, Mount Pleasant, Elias Daniel, Church Hill. 
John Bonds, Clinton, David Johnston, Leighton. 
Joel H. Chambless, Lowsville. Adam McCreary, 
Brooklyn. Josiah Jones, Jackson. David Jacks, 
New Market. Sherrod W. Harris, Vienna. John 
McQueen, Graves' 1 Ferry. William Talley, 
Mount Moriah , Graddy H erring,' Clayton . G . VV . 
Jeter, Pint Lola. Samuel C. Johnson, Pbasanl 
Grove. William Crutcher, Huutsville. W illiam 
H< Cook, Pickensvilla. Seaborn Hamricli, Plan- 
tersvi/le. Eli McDonald, Paynesville, Mai k Por- 
ter, Demopolis. William Melton, Bhtff Port. 
James Si Morgan, Dayton. W T m. Hyde, Guines- 
villei Rufus Daniel, Jameston, Anderson W. 
Bullard, Tusgegee, J. L. Patten, Bellefoule. 
Frederick Hines, Gastom Z. Johns, Tiara, Ej 
McDonald, Painsville. A. Mitchell, Curler's Hill. 
\\ illiam Powell, YoHngsviWe. 

Tennessee. — A. V. Farmer, Blair's Ferry, M. 
H. Sellers, Ten Mile. W'illiam Patrick, Poplar 
Corner. Michael Burkhalter, Chceksvillc Asa 
Biggs, Denmark. Tho's K. Clingan, Smith's X 
Roads. William E. Pope, Philadelphia, Aaron 

Compton, Somervillc. Charles Henderson, Emery 
Iron Works. Asa Newport, Meesville. Jafaes 
Miii\\i\en, Van Buren. A. Burroughs, Wesley. Wm. 
Croom, Jackson. Daniel Briggs^ Decatur. Clem- 
mons Sanders, Moiuit Vernon. Daniel Webb 
Lexington. Sion Bass, Three Forks, John W. 
Springer, Sugar Creek. W. A. Bowdon, Boyds- 
ville, Smith Ylanabrough, Jacks Creek, William 
S. Smith, Winchester. Isham Simmons, Calhoun. 
Thomas Hill, Sevierville. J. E„ Douihitl, Lynoh 7 
burg, C/J'. Echols, Mifflin. Aaron Tison, Mcdon. 
Levi Kirkland, Waverly. Abner Steed, Fayette- 
ville, Henry Randolph, Snody.svi/le, Pleasant E. 
Witt, Cheek's yiBoadt, J, Cooper, UnlonviUc. 

Mississippi. — Jesse Battle, Meridian Springs. 
James D. Williams, Dailvil/e. Worsham Mann, 
Columbus. .Silas Dobbs, Brooklyn. Henry Pet- 
ty, Zion. William Huddleston, Thomasion. Na- 
than Tims, Kosciusko, . 

Florida.— James Alderman, China Grove, Da 
vid Callaway, Cherry Lake. 

Louisiana. — Peter Bankston, 1 Slarburyville. 

Missouri. — Calvin Newport, Harmony. 

Illinois. — Richard M. Newport, Grand. View. 
James Marshall, Salem. Joel Ferguson, Danville. 

Indiana. — Peter Saltzman, New Harmon a. I- 
saac. IV, Denman, Gallatin, Zachariah McClure, 
Tcrre Haute, 

Ohio. — Joseph H. Flint, Hamilton. R. A. Mor- 
ten, Fulton. John B. Moses, Germanton, 

Kentucky. — Jona. H. Parker, Salem. Tho. Pi 
Dr.dley, Lexington. Sanford Connelly, Shelbyviile'i 

Virginia. — Kemuel C. Gilbert, Sydnorsville. 
Rudoiph Rorer, Berger's Store. John Clark, Fre- 
dericksburg. E. Harrison, Heningscille. Wm. 
W. West, Dumfries. Joseph H. Eanes, Calland's. 
William Burns, Halifax C, H, George W. San- 
ford, Harrisonburg. Jesse Lankford, Bowers' 's, 

Dis. Columbia. — Gilbert Bee-be, .ilex'tndrla. 

Pennsylvania. — Hezekiah West, South Hill. 
Joseph Hughes, Gum, Tree. Nathan Everitt, 
Chillicoais Town. 

New Jersey. — Wm. Patterson, Suckasunny. 

Wisconsin Ter. — M. W. Darnall, Blue Bivcr. 


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Levi P. Wayne, 1 

C. Dixon, 1 

James Miller, 1 

David Cuthrel, 1 

James Gray,' 2 
Elias 0. Hawthorn, 5 

S. Forest, $2 

Wm. Trice, 10 

George Turner, 5 
Pleasant. A. Witt, 5 
Barnet Idol, 2 

James Beeman, 1 
Jeremiah Dunn, 1 

The Primitive Baptist is published on the sec- 
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Printed and Published by George Howard > 


eome out of %%tv } tug ^to#lt: y 

No. 4. 


VOL. 4. 



Thomaston, Upson county, Ga 
Dec. 26th, 1838. 

Dear brother Bennett : I address 
you these few lines for the purpose of ob- 
taining a few more copies of your despised 
paper, the Primitive Baptist, viz : for the 
ensuing year. I say despised, because 
there are some about here that say they 
would not give it house room, while others 
say they would not read it. 

Now, I know not the reason for their 
protesting so profoundly against it, unless 
they are proselytes in error and so taught 
to withstand the truth ; their teachers 
knowing it is calculated to infuse knowl- 
edge, divulge the truth, and expose er- 
ror; by which means their human-in- 
vented, money-making, religious-speeula- 
ting schemes might be discovered. One 
reason I would give for my thus writing is, 
when these new schemers were sending far 
and wide their mighty works through seve- 
ral periodicals, I heard no complaint; but 
as soon as the Primitive Baptist paper 
made its appearance, periodicals are, and 
have been, protested against. We are all 
forewarned that the time will come when 
sound doctrine will not be endured, &c. 

Yours as ever. WM. TRICE. 

re?d with much interest particularly by 
myself: for they contain the doctrine of the 
scriptures, so far as I am a judge of scrip- 
ture. And believing in the good old way, 
1 want you to send me six copies for the 
present year only, and I will comply with 
the terms in the paper. 

Nothing more at present, but remain 
your affectionate brother in the Lord. 



Georgia, Jones county, } 
Dec. \5th, 1838. $ 
Brother Bennett: I have been a sub- 
scriber for your little periodical, the Pri- 
mitive Baptist, and have received it tolera- 
bly regular up to this time; and am so well 
pleased with its contents and the principle 
it advocates, being as I believe the truth, 1 
jam therefore resolved on having it contin- 
ued. Not only I am pleased, but all those 
in my neighborhood who have been ta- 
king it, have requested me to write on for 
them, requesting you to continue theh\3 
also. You will therefore, please forward 
on the ensuing volume to the undersigned 

As ever, your unworthy brother in the 
bonds of the gospel. 



Alabama, Russell county, ) 
Jan. llth, 1839. 5 
Dear brother Bennett : A few of 
the numbers of the Primitive Baptist have 
vaeched our section of country, and are 


Chesnut Grove, Upson county, Ga. } 
Dec. 26th, 1838. 5 

Brother Bennett: I have a few more 
subscribers that wish to take your paper, 
the Primitive Baptist. You will find their 
names in a list below. Your paper is es- 
teemed by some, and hated by others. 

Brother Bennett, I was at one of the 



missionary meetings not long since, and 1 1 have the utmost confidence, and desired 

heard one of the mission preachers say in 
his pre;iching« that the gospel never did go 
by persecution; and Went on and tried to 
prove it hy scripture. 

May the Lord support you and all who 
are contending for the good old way. 
Farewell. R. B. frMNN. 



Fauquier county, Va, Jan. 10th, 1839. 

Dear Sir: As you are disposed to continue 
publishing the communications from the numerous 
brethren, whose hearts seem stirred within them 
to set forth the things pertaining to the kingdom 
of our glorious Lord God, 1 hope it may not he a 
losing business to you. And as I learn you are 
not a professor of Christ, and thereby judge you 
have no evidence that he is formed in your heart 
the hope of glory, I would be pleased (if it is the 
will of God,) that while you are perusing the 
\-arious communications sent you for publication, 
from such as know the truth as it is in Jesus, that 
your heart may be opened to receive the truth in 
the love of it. Then, methinks, you would have 
a stimulus in what you are engaged in, that 
Would make your business more delightful. And 
may the ministers and laity who may superintend 
the editorial matter, be under the influence of a 
right spirit, and your paper continue to be as ac- 
ceptable to the Lord's people as it has heretofore 
been. Respectfully yours. 


Mr, George Howard \ 

We tender our acknowledgments to Elder Hans- 
brough, for the kind and friendly wishes expressed 
in the above letter; and trust that, with the assist- 
ance of Elder Lawrence, Elder Biggs, and other Old 
School Baptists, we still shall be enabled to make 
the Primitive Baptist acceptable to its numerous 
patrons. GEO. HOWARD, Publis/icr. 


Edgecombe county, N C. 
Feb. 1839. 
Brother Editors: I have heard that 
some of my beloved brethren, whom I as 
highly esteem as any brethren between 
sky and earth, have their objections to 
some of my words or ideas on the tares, or 
two seeds; which were published in the 
20ih No. 3d vol. Primitive Baptist. And a 
certain brother told me this, in whom 1 

that I should give an explanation on parf 
of what I had written on these subjecls, 
for their satisfaction; which I amevery rea- 
dy to do to my brethren in all cases and un- 
der all circumstances, if convenient, wish- 
out delay at any time when apprised of my 
defecis. And I will thank my brethren to 
have a watchful care over me and my wri- 
tings at all times, as I am getting old and 
my memory is failing me. 

This piece is humbly dedicated lo my Old 
School brethren, who may have objection? 
to any of my ideas written on the tares and 
two seeds, for their perusal; as an explan- 
ation lo their objections, so fur as they have 
been beard by me, for their satisfaction, 
and I hope it will prove so to them; and 
as an additional answer to my beloved Jo- 
siah Fort's letter on the two seeds, connec- 
ted with what I have already written to him 
on these subjects; wnich he will ploase ac- 
cept as a proof of my lasting love to him, 
and willingness to serve him at all timesj- 
or any other brother of the Old School or- 
der, when convenient for me to write. 

This piece is not intended as a matter of 
controversy between me and any Old School 
Baptist in the universe; but as an explana- 
tion of my ideas, for the satisfaction of 
those brethren who have objected and may 
hereafter object to them on the tares and 
two seeds, as I consider controversy be- 
tween Old School brethren ot the most, de- 
structive tendency, and should not be pub- 
lished by any periodical whatever, as it 
genders strife and pa'ty spirit. 

To the publisher I will say, dear friend, 
to you, as 1 have said before, I stand in- 
debted for the publication of most of my 
writings; whether good or bad, time has 
and time will reVeal. The generations 
that follow us will not posstss our prejudi- 
ces, in their calmness and observation of 
events; my writings are submitted to in- 
spection by them, at whose bar they stand 
or fall as to this world. • And 1 du humbly 
hope you never will admit into the col- 
ums of the Primitive Baptist, any contro- 
versy between Old School Baptists, on any 
subject whatever, being contrary lo the de- 
sign of the paper; which the prospectus 
and my following piece will show, which 
read to keep your memory refreshed, as 
your guide. Publish the letters and infor- 
mation from all quarters of the Union, and 
the writings that accord with the prospec- 
tus, and not let. us columns be open for 
controversy; because this controversy has 



made a division of sects, and division 
among the Baptists; and it will make again 
a division among the Old School Baptists, 
if I am a judge, if persisted in. Contro- 
versy on abstruse points genders strife, 
cools the love and respect, of brethren, hin- 
ders their usefulness to one another, weak- 
ens the bands of fellowship, dissolves uni- 
on, makes brethren distant and shy of each 
other; and this because they cannot lend, 
borrow, nor change eyes with each other. 
Remember, every man must see out of his 
own eyes and he cannot borrow his bro- 
ther's, but see only out of those God has 
given him. And shall you fall out with a 
brother, because he cannot see out of your 
eyes? Why you might as well fall out 
with men because they cannot all see alike 
through the same pair of spectacles. Re- 
collect, there are babes, children, young 
men, and old men in the church of God; 
and although they all have their eyes, yet 
there is a great difference in their strength 
of mental sight. So then, let the younger 
submit to the elder, as ihe scripture has 
said, and let there be no controversy, no 
strife, in the Primitive Baptist, between 
Old School brethren. It never was its de- 
sign — the prospectus should be your polar 

And further, George, I am the more in- 
duced to charge you to do this, which you 
know has been my opinion all along and 
my advice I hope you will not take amiss, 
as it is from the best intention to the pro- 
motion of our paper. I call it ours, as I 
feel deeply interested in its welfare and 
perpetuation, and acceptance to Old School 
brethren throughout the States and world; 
for it will live and anxiously be read, 
when we are dead and gone. 

And dear brethren, I feel and have always 
felt since being a minister of God's gospel, 
since I understood church discipline, inde- 
pendent in my writingsand preaching; as not 
accountable for my religious opinions to any 
pope, bishop, presbytery, council, synod, 
Association, State or individual; but to the 
church of which I am a member. And 
whenever summoned by her to give an ac- 
count for my moral character or doctrine, 
at her bar will I appear with all reverence, 
humility, and submission; believing by the 
Book that she is the only power on earth 
that has a right and authority to take cog- 
nizance of my religious opinions; or in 
other words, the doctrine 1 preach. And 
that Christ has delegated this power to ev- 
ery individual church, and that she has no 

right nor can she give this power to the 
State or any individual whatever, without 
being amenable to Christ her head. And 
as for churches calling helps to aid them, 
they have no right so to do; no more than 
a judge appointed by the State has to call 
other individuals to help Sum decide a law 
case — the sovereign State has vested him 
with full power to try the case, and he 
cannot give that power to another individ- 
ual or individuals. Even so a sovereign 
Christ has given power to his individual 
churches, to judge according to his laws all 
cases arising in that particular church com- 
munity; and her decision is final, from 
which there is no appeal. Tell it to the 
church — if he neglect to hear the church. 
Read Revelations, on the seven churches 
of Asia, and see them separately charged, 
&c. &e. Yet Thave ever paid due respect 
to the feelings of my brethren' and their 
views of things, and so have ordered my 
life for thirty-seven years, that I have nev- 
er had but two brethren say, brother Law- 
rence you have hurt my feelings. One of 
them I paid a debt twice and had wrote it 
down, and because I would not pay him 
the third time I hurt his feelings; so let it 
be. The other was a missionary Baptist, 
and that is easy accounted for. Howbeit, 
I may have hurt others, but they have nev- 
er let me know it, which it was their duty 
to do. 

But although I do not hold myself ac- 
countable to the Kehukee Association, nor 
to any individual preacher in it or out of 
it, for any scripture opinion that I may ad- 
vance in writing or preaching, or all others 
in the universe, nor to the State of which I 
am a member, nor to the United States nei- 
ther, save to the church to which I belong; 
yet the feelings of my brethren are pre- 
cious to me, and I hold them in high es- 
teem for they occupy a high seat in my af- 
fections; and only for their feelings of love 
to me and jealousy towards me, for their 
satisfaction and not from any accountability 
to them farther than Christian love, I shall 
endeavor to explain my meaning on their 
objections to the parts of my writing on 
the two seeds, or at least what I have 
understood was their objectionable 

And before I set out to give them satis- 
faction I will say, there may be many Old 
School Baptists like them, dissatisfied a- 
bout my ideas and words in that piece 
throughout the United States; if so, I hold 
their feelings dear to me, and hope thev 



will look for and study this piece well for , 
their satisfaction. 

Ami further, the reasons that I do not 
hold myself accountable to any man or set 
of men in church or State, save the church 
to which I belong;, are, first: 1 verily believe 
that every man in the world has a right to 
hi-s privat&>judgment in mafters of religion, 
and that he ought not, nor cannot, surren- 
der it to society or any man or set of men : 
on earth, if he could; but he cannot. For 
although he should attempt it, yet hispri-l 
Vate judgment still dwells with him, as a 
God-given right that no man can take from 
him by coercion or fraud. And should 1 1 
attempt lo surrender my private judgment' 
in matters of my conscience and religion 
to any man or set of men, I should abuse 
the gift of my maker and play the hypo- 
crite with men. 


Ibelieve that religion is the volun- 

tary offering of the heart and ourselves to 
God, and that religion is entirely a thing 
between man and his creator; and not be- 
tween man and man, or between man and 
society of any kind, but by his own free 
consent; and that no worship paid to God 
by force or fraud is acceptable to him; and 
that all homage paid to God must be ac- 
cording to the dictates of a man's own 
conscience, or else that man plays the hy- 
pocrite with his God in presenting an of- 
fering to him, which he does not in his 
conscience think right, and is required by 
God of him as we41 id preaching doctrine 
as any thing else. Witness the prophets 
and apostles, and Peter standing before the 
magistrates of Jerusalem; read what he 
says, Acts, 4. 20: For we cannot but speak 
the things which we have seen and heard. 
Read the chapter. 

3rd. I bvheve that all men should exer- 
cise their own judgments, and go to hea 
ven in that road they think the most direct 
and safest, and preach and pray in their 
own way, as the word and their own con- 
science may dictate to them; and if they 
miss, let them bear the blame. And that 
any man may be religious in his own way, 
and that he may not be religious in any 
way, and is then only accountable to 
his God. So then I leave the religion of 
every man to the reason and conviction of 
his own conscience, and 1 say it is a 
God-given right lor him to exercise ac- 
cording to the dictates of lis own con- 
science, and that no man has a right to 
force him otherwise; because the opinion 
of every man depends on the evidence be- 

fore him, or meditation thereon by hisow« 
mind, and cannot of course follow the dic- 
tates of men of highar minds, or other 
men's opinions, v\ ithout conviction that it 
is right. For surely it is the duty of eve- 
ry man to render homage to his maker, yet 
it cannot be the duty of any man to pay" 
that duty to his maker he docs not think 
his maker requires of him, and to be ac- 
ceptable to his God. 

4th. I believe religion to be entirely free 
and exempt from all civil and religious so- 
ciety, or any legislative body on earth, ex- 
cept to the church to which such a man has* 
voluntarily and of free consent given him- 
self a member of that society; and that no 
man ought to suffer any man or set of men 
to overleap the metes and bounds on his 
rights set forth by the Constitution of thtf 
States and the holy scriptures, so far as he 
can help it And any preacher, or society, 
or Stale ruler, that makes such an en- 
croachment on his liberty of conscience, 
go far beyond their commission from God 
or man, having no authority from tha Con- 
stitution or scriptures over consciences, and 
are tyrants. Give an inch and take an ell. 
Keep Congress and the State Legislators 
to the text book of the Constitutions, and 
the church to the New Testament, and 
many a Sampson lock will be shorn off- 
many will hold empty purses. 

iSovv, my dear brethren, 1 have given 
you my creed as to church and State pow- 
er in matters of religion in miniature. And 
now I will give you my creed as to my re- 
ligious opinions in doctrine for your in- 
spection, and then come to your objections 
in argument by scripture proof on the twe> 
seeds, &c. 

And first, 1 believe in the self-existence 
of a God, eternal, immutable, all-powerful, 
all-wise, holy, just and true, &c. &c. 

2nd. J believe then never was, is not 
now, nor never will be, any God Lui a 
three-one God ; Father, Word, and Holy 
Ghost. And thai the Father in six clays 
ere ited_the heavens and the earth, and rest- 
ed the seventh da\ from ail his work. And 
that he has not since then winged a fly> 
nor created a spire of grass. What say 
you to this? 

3rd. I believe the Word took our nature 
on him and then, and not until then, be- 
came Son of God ; and that he was born 
for us, he lived for us, died for us, rose for 
us, asrenued for us, and now maketh in- 
tercession for us; and that he will come 
from heaven to take us to himself. And 


. 53 

that when he died on the cross he finished 
and completed his work of salvation and 
plnn of re.'emp'ion in dl its parts, as com- 
plete as the Father did his in the work of 
creation. And thai now the Son of God | 
resteth from his work. 

4th. I believe the Holy Ghost commenc- 
ed his work on Ah":, and has been carrying 
it on untd now; and thai he will continue 
to carry it on to prepare, regenerate, and 
qualify all God's foreknown, forebeloved, 
forechosen, forepredestihated, preappoint- 
ed, foreordained, ,:nd forepurposed people 
to salvation, to the end of the world. And 
that if there were as many devils in hell as 
grains of sand in the whole globe, and as 
many infidels as there are leaves on all the 
trees in the world, that ever) one of God's 
beloved, elect people, shall and will, in 
spile of all their powers, be saved in the 
Lord with an everlasting salvation. And 
then he will rest from his work, when he 
shall have finished renewing the mind of 
the last elect person, and quickened and 
purified their bodies, and changed them as 
he did that of Enoch, Elijah, and Christ, 
from mortal to immortal. 

5ih. I believe these three persons, 
Father, Word, and Holy Ghost, make a 
God ; and without these three there is no 
such a being as a God. And that it takes 
these three to make one God, and not three 
Gods. And that neither of them is God 
without the unity of the three. What say 
you to tins ? 

6th. I believe this three-one God. in 
unity and trinity, foreknew and foresaw 
from the date of bis own self-existence, all 
mankind individually and particularly, with 
all cases, all circumstances, and all condi 
tions, all sins and all works of righteous- 
ness, ever to be done by any man from 
Adam to the end of the world And that 
the fall of man stood present before him, 
yet he determined to create him after the 
council of his own will and in his own 
image, fall or not fall. And that by vir 
tue of this foreknowledge he foresaw the 
full of man, and that he would need a Sa- 
viour and Redeemer. And thus by his 
foreknowledge of this sad event, foreknew, 
and forechose, and foreordained, and fore- 
appomled, and foreswore before the foun- 
dation of the world, that Jesus Christ, the 
Word and his Son, should be the only Sa- 
viour, Redeemer, -3ud High Priest of the 
whole church of God, from Adam to the 
end of the world, and no other. 

7?b, I believe God foresaw before the 

creation of the world, this fallen mass of' 
man in his fallen state, corrupt, lost, and 
dead, in trespasses and sins, Condemned 
and in a damnable state by the fall of the 
first man he purposed to make ; and yet 
with this foresight he made him in his own 
image, he made them male and female, not- 
withstanding he foreknew thousands by the 
fall and their own sins would be damned to 
all eternity. Yet out of this fallen, lost, 
and corrupt mass of human beings, he fore- 
knew, foresaw, and foreloved, and fore- 
chose, forepredestinated, foreappointed, 
foreordained, and foreswore, and forcgave 
them grace in Christ, and foreprepared a 
kingdom for them, and wrote down every 
individual's name in the Lamb's book of 
life, that he loved and that it was his will 
should be saved ; and gave them to his Son, 
to redeem them and raise them up at the 
last day, and present them without fault, 
•-pot, or wrinkle at the last day before his 
throne, washed in his blood and clothed in 
his righteousness. And that all the rest 
will be damned — whoever they may be I 
know not ; but God foreknew, now knows, 
and they will hereafter know. So then it 
is not of him that willcth, but of God that 
sheweth mercy ; not of the clay, but the 
will of the potter ; not of works, but of 
grace, that he might make known the riches 
of his grace on the vessels of mercy, which 
he has aforeprepared unto glory — afore in 
his choice, afore in his predestination, afore 
in his appointment, afore in his ordination 
to eternal life, before the foundation of the 
world. How do you like this ? 

8th. I believe God purposed in eternity- 
to save and to do all things for his elect peo- 
ple, in time and after time ; all things that 
will be done for them to their final and 
eternal salvation and glorification, both in 
provision, in time and after time, to their 
eternal happiness; all things final &. immuta- 
ble, decreed and settled by the trinity, from, 
which there will not, nor cannot, be no al- 
teration nor change by the three-cme God. 

9th. I believe in the total depravity of 
man, and his utter inability to help him- 
self unaided by the Spirit of God, by all the 
works he can do on earth. 

10th. I believe the Holy Ghost will call 
effectually, powerfully, and irresistibly, all 
God's chosen and predestinated people to 
the knowledge of the truth ; and that they 
cannot resist the call, let them do anything 
and every thing they can io oppose his work 
of grace on their hearts. But that he by his 
almighty power will carry on the work to 



their perfect salvation in time and eternity. 
How do you like this? 

11th. I believe there is not under heaven 
nor earth, no other thing that can cleanse a 
sinher from his sins, hut the blood of Jesus 
Christ applied to his conscience by the 
Spirit of God. And no other possible jus- 
tification of a sinner in the sight of God, 
but by the obedience of Jesus Christ to the 
law of God. 

12th. I believe that nothing but grape 
wine should be administered in the Lord's 
Supper, and that, one loaf of bread should 
be used, and not two. 

13th. I believe all professors of religion 
should maintain good works, as far as the 
flesh, devil, and world will let them; as 
proof of a living faith, as a means to in- 
crease brotherly love, as a benefit to their 
brethren, as an honor to the cause they have 
espoused, and as lights to the world, their 
families, and church of God; as bring- 
ing glory to their heavenly Father, &c. &c. 

Thus, brethren. I have given you a scrap 
of my religious opinions, and scarcely a scrap 
it is; however you may like it you must take 
it, better for worse, for it is my faith with 
my whole heart's belief, as far as it goes. 

We will now come to what I have un- 
derstood were your objections to the words 
and phrases I used in writing on the two 
seeds, &c. and try to find out by the Book 
who is wrong, you or I. And surely as 
that former piece states, I have a right and 
the best right to explain my meaning on 
any words I use. This I presume you 
will not deny, for words were made for 
use and there is no harm in using them, 
but harm in wrong applying them. So let 
me explain my own meaning and applica- 
tion of the words I used, and see whether 
that will satisfy you that I was right in the 
application to which these words were in- 
tended by me. 

And first, that piece was intended as a 
public letter to my beloved Josiah Fort, in 
answer to one he wrote me, and to settle 
the difficulty in the churches in Tennessee 
on Parkerism if I could. And 1 cannot, as 
yet see why nor wherefore you should 
have taken exceptions to that which was 
written to another man, unless it was your 
love towards me and jealousy over me. 
For this I say, no man is a judge of his 
own writings, and that a man may write 
himself down when all the world cannot 
do it. So accept of my thanks for your 
criticism on my writings. I regard it as a 
token of your love. 

The objectionable parts as understood, 
are in vol. 3, No. 20, page 309, _as follows: 

"Matthew, 13. 38: But the tares are the chil- 
dren of the wicked one. Then of course, the 
tares are the thy seed; for if children, then the 
seed of the serpent. Now the question arises 
again : are, or are not, all mankind the children of 
the wicked one, by the fall of Adam, by their 
first birth ?* .Say. 1 say they are, as 1 have shown 
above. I ask, has Gud any children by their first 
birth — I mean their natural birth 1 Why you 
must answer, no; for God has all his children by 
their second birth, born of the Word and Spirit of 
God, and thus they become his children and not 
before ; thus born of the water, (which means a 
natural birth,) and then of the Spirit, this makes 
them children of God ; nor are they so before, in 
any sense of that word. Then I put it down, 
that all mankind by nature and practice, are the 
| children of the wicked one; and may thus be ac- 
: counted in the text the serpent's seed, or thy seed; 
I and that God has not a child among all the mil- 
, lions of the world, until born of his Spirit. What 
i say you to this] Again : I put it down that you 
may not forget it, that all mankind as they come 
I into this world, are the serpent's seed, and leave it 

| "Then the sum of all is, God makes saints out 
of sinners, righteous men out of wicked ones, and 
makes his children out of the devil's children ; by 
being born of his Spirit, or created in Christ Jesus 
unto good worksi And thus the good seed are 
the children of the kingdom; and the remainder 
are the tares, or children of the wicked one, left 
to be burnt." 

The above quotation from the Primitive, 
contains all the objectionable parts that 
have yet come to hand, although there 
may be some who have objections to oth- 
er parts. Without further remarks on my 
creeds, or in self claims, 1 now come to ar- 
gument by the Book on the above quota- 
tion, and think I can comprehend all your 
objections under three general points: 
First, I have asserted that God makes all 
his children out of the devil's children. 
2nd. I have asserted that God has no child 
among all the millions of the world unlit 
born again. 3rd. And that no man is a 
child of God until born again, in no sense 
of that word. This last 1 think is the 
bugbear. Knowing, brethren, you have 
been professors for years and are wise 
{ men, men well skilled in the scriptures 
I and the doctrine of Old School Baptists, 1 
J shall be ihe more short in my explanation, 
as thinking a word to the wise is enough. 

Then on the first point: God makes all 
his children out of the devil's children. 
And I might as well take in the second 
point as they are so nearly allied to each 
other, and as the proof of the one point 
will confirm the other: That God has no 
children among all the millions uf the 



world, until born again. These two 
points I believed when I wrote them, and 
I now believe them with all my heart, 
whether you do or not. And I will y,ive 
you a few of my reasons for so doing, but 
shall not > ■ i t e chapter and verse, because 
you are w. 11 skilled in scripture and will 
know them as soon as mentioned. Shapen 
in iniquity, and in sin did m\ mother con- 
ceive me. Go astray from the womb, 
speaking lies. By the offence of one, 
{Adam is meant.) judgment camt upon all 
men to condemnation. By one man sin 
entered into the world and death by sin, so 
death passed, &c. By one man's disobe- 
dience many were marie sinners. None 
good, no, not. one; all gone out of the way. 
We (sain's) were children of wrath by na- 
ture, even as others; (th;it is, such as had 
never been rnnde saints, or children of 
God, or never will.) All clay of the same 
lump, and it is God the potter's hand that 
makfh one man to honor and another to 
dishonor; one a vessel of mercy and ano- 
ther part of the clay left io be a vessel of 
wrath titted for destruction. All is owing 
to the hands of the potter that maketh the 
difference, and not a difference in the clay. 
Hence them he foreknew he predestinateu 
to a conformity to his Son. Then they 
that he foreknew and predestinated were 
not in the clay conformed to his Son's im- 
age, so in the clay or firs! birth they were 
not children; for God fores.iw they needed, 
in order to make them his < hildren, a con- 
formity to the image of his Son. Then he 
passed the act of unchangeable predestina- 
tion, that they should be conformed to his 
Son, with every provision to effect it. 
And this conformity takes place in regene- 
ration, and thus they are made his chil- 
dren, or like his Son. And they are not 
his children before, but the devil's children. 
Again: Chosen us in him before the 
foundation of the world, that we should be 
holy and without blame, &c. So then 

sanctifieation of the Spirit unto obedience 
and the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus 
Christ — (Peter.) # Here we have in this 
verse the whole matter before us. God's 
foreknowledge of man's uncleanness, need- 
ing sanctifieation of the Spirit, obedience, 
and the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus. 
And under a foresight of all man's unclean- 
ness God's election took place, of all the 
objects of his love; so then, foreknown of 
God; secondly, beloved of God; thirdly, 
chosen of God, through sanctifieation of the 
Spirit, which the act oi God in regeneration 
does, to cleanse them unto obedience; and 
lastly, the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus. 
This comprehends both cause and effect of 
cause; and thus born again and become the 
children of God out of the devil's children; 
and not so before is any man in the world, 
but all are children of the devil. 

Now I choose one more case from scrip- 
ture to clear all this doctrine, that is, the 
case of Jacob and Esau: For the children 
being not yet born, neither having done 
any good or evil, that the purpose of God, 
according to election might stand, not of 
w»rks, but of him that calleth — as it is 
written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have 
1 hated. Read 9th chapter of Romans. 
Now the above case of Jacob and Esau, and 
of Isaac and Ishmael, were quoted from 
the Old Testament in support of the doc- 
trine of God's election of his people to ev- 
erlasting salvation, by Paul; and as similar 
cases to show that God's election of his 
people to everlasting life was not depend- 
ent on the works of any man, good or bad, 
but wholly based on his purpose; and that 
God's purpose was the basis, and founda- 
tion, and pedestal, on which God's elec- 
tion rested, and not on the works of man, 
good or bad. For these two children, Ja- 
cob and Esau, were both children of one 
Father and of one mother. Now let me 
ask you, whether the one was good seed in 
the loins of lssac, and the other bad? or, in 

when he made his choice before the world ' other words, whether one of these children 
began, he saw his chosen unholy and full of j in their nature was better than the other? If 
blame, (in nature aud practice, and with- [you say no, you will say the truth; if you 
out love to him;) yet he chose them lying say yes, the scripture says the}- had neither 
in the common mass, dead in trespasses done any good or evil. Then God's choice 
and sins, without hope and a God in the | of Jacob had no respect to works, so his 
world. Yet this foresight of their unholi- j choice of sinners in Christ to salvation be- 
ness and blame did not hinder his choice of • fore the foundation of the world, had no 
them, to fulfil his own purpose in making respect to works done, nor foreseen to be 

done by them; but their election is based 

them holy, without blame, and in love, be- 
fore him the chooser. 

Again: Elect according to the fore- 
knowledge of God the Father, through 

on the purpose of God, and not works, but 
of him that calleth. . 

So then he called Jacob to be heir of the 



promises that he had made to Abraham; he 
called him to be heir of the land of Ca- 
naan; he called him to receive the law, the 
service of God, and promises; but left E- 
feao without a call to these things. So in 
God's system of grace without works, he 
calleth some sinners by his Spirit from 
darkness to light, from death to life, 
from condemnation to justification, from 
being cbiidren of the devil to be children 
of the living God, heirs and joint heirs 
with Christ, and to eternal glorification in 
heaven; and the rest he leaves uncalled, 
Esau-like, to have no part nor lot in these 
great matters. 

And thus salvation is based on the great 
foundation of God's purpose, election, call- 
ing, justification; which finishing stroke of 
God's eternal purpose is regeneration &. final 
and eternal glorification, to an inheritance 
incorruptible and a crown that fadeth not 
away, reserved in heaven for all his pur- 
posed, chosen, and predestinated children; 
who are and shall be kept by the pon er of 
God thro' faith unto eternal salvation, thro' 
all trials, storms and tempests whatever. 

These few reasons, dear brethren, I 
have given you out of the thousands I 
could give, for your satisfaction of my 
faith. So then I put it down again as my 
faith, that all men come into the world sin- 
ners and are equally depraved by nature, 
Jacob as well as Esau, Isaac as well aslsh- 
mael; and that the grace of God only ma- 
keth ihe difference as respects salvation, 
or children, of God and devil; and that 
God has no children without being horn 
again — 1 mean actual children, that can be 
called so personally by the church of God, 
01 claim the rjght to call himself a child of 
God, without he is born of God, and then 
he has the witness in himself, bearing wit- 
ness with his spirit he is a child of God, 
and not before. I hope this you will un- 
derstand — meditate upon and compare with 
the Book. 

I will now come to the third point pro- 
posed, as I consider it the bugbear of all 
your objections, and drive it from before 
your sight if I can. 3rd. Here it is: And 
that no man is a child of God until born 
again, in no sense of Chat word. 

I say no man is an actual child of God 
until he is born again. What say you? If 
you say no, why then we agree; but if you 
say God has a child or children before they 
are born again, why then we come to ar- 
gument on this point.' And this I under- 
stand is the point of your objectionsj that 

God has children before they are born a- 
gain. Will you say, or will you not say, 
th at any man from Abel to this day, is an 
actual child of God before he is born 
again? If you say God has children be- 
fore they are horn again, then the argu- 
ment will stand thus: What kind of chil- 
dren are they which are unborn? To 
which I answer on your side, as you may 
think: first, God has predestinated chil- 
dren to adoption; secondly, he has prom- 
ised children; thirdly, he has children 
conceived in the womb yet not horn; and 
those horn of his Spirit. These four kinds 
of children will comprehend all sorts of 
God's children, whether foreknown chil- 
dren, elect children, or any else besides. 

First then, we will begin with God's 
predestinated children, which you will find 
in Ephesians, 1. 5: Having predestinated 
us unto the adoption of children by Jesus 
Christ to himself, according to the good 
pleasure of his will. Then it follows of 
course, that these were foreknown chil- 
dren, or else they could not have been 
predestinated. The act of predestination 
is an act of foreknown or present knowl- 
edge, you must admit; secondly, they 
must be chosen or elect children, or else 
they would not have been predestinated to 
the adoption of children. Then it follows 
that God has a set of children by predesti- 
nated adoption; agreed, but who are they, 
and where are they? You will say they 
are known to God; agreed — and although 
these are (he same children that are born 
again, and none but they, yet these are not 
born children, but predestinated children 
which shall hereafter be born again. So 
then when you speak of predestinated chil- 
dren, speak of them as such; and when 
you speak of born children, speak of them 
as such; for the one may he called a non- 
existing, only in the mind and purpose of 
God; the other, a fulfilled purpose of mind 
and an existing child. 

Then one question here: Is a predestina- 
ted child a born child? You are forced to 
say, no; yet he shall he born — agreed, but 
he is not a born child as yet. And for 
proof of this position we will refer to the 
text: To the adoption of children — a Jew- 
ish and Roman practice of eld time, to 
which simile the apostle Paul had refer- 
ence in this verse. On adoption I will be 
as short as I well can. 'Ihe daughter of 
Pharaoh adopted Moses for her son, altho' 
he was not by birth her son; this proves 
what I have written all along, God make;} 



his children out of the devil's children. 
Morilecai adopted Esther. God adopts the 
children of Israel. Romans, 9. 4— Galati- 
ans, 4. 6: And because ye are sons, God 
hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into 
ypur hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 

This may suffice from the Book to prove 
there was a practice well known to Paul', 
as adoption. This text, because ye arc 
sons, has been mentioned to prove God has 
children before they are burn again. I 
beg such to notice how it reads; it does 
not read as you would have it mean: be- 
cause ye we're sons, in the past tense, look- 
ing back; nor does it say, because ye shall 
be sons, looking forward, in the future 
tense; but are, in the present tense — are 
sons, not were nor shall be sons. So this 
text belongs to me, to prove God has actual 
children, as well as predestinated children, 
which I admit. 

1 will give you my views on adoption, 
as short as I can. Adoption is that act of a 
rich lady or rich man, that has no child; 
but. sees one he or she takes a liking to, 
and has a desire to make a son or daughter 
of, although it be a slrange child of anoth- 
er 1 family, to heir their property ; as did 
Pharaoh's daughter to Moses, an outcast; 
as did the Romans to poor fatherless and 
outcast children, often to educate them and 
heir their property by law, and as' we do 
to legitimate them, or make them lawful 
children. Now then this man must know 
the child, so God foreknew sinners; sec- 
ond, this man must purpose to make this 
strange child his child by the law of adop- 
tion, so God must purpose to adopt sinners, 
the devil's children, these strange children 
to he his children; for if they were his 
own children by their first birth, he could 
not adopt them by the law of adoption, for 
they would then in that case have been 
heirs or children without adoption. So 
you see this proves what I have said all a- 
long, that God makes his children out of 
the devil's children. Then here see in a- 
dopiion a knowledge of the child; second, 
a choice or election of the child; third, see 
o purpose, or determination, or predestina- 
tion, to make this poor child his child or 
heir. Now let me ask you this question: 
1j this seen child, this choice child, this 
predestinated child — say, is he a child and 
heir of this man's estate, or not, before the 
act of adoption takes place according to 
law? For this act of adoption, Spiritually 
speaking, is being born again. Now must 
you not say, he was not this man's child 

nor heir until the act of adoption took 

Thus I have laid this matter before you 
in my short way. Then here is a fore- 
known child, here is a beloved and elected 
child, and here is a predestinated child to 
! adoption — in all this I agree, yet if I say 
I he is not a child you will stare. I say he 
i is not a horn child, and I prove it this way 
i by Paul: If a child, (that is, a born child,) 
then an heir and joint heir with Christ. 
One question here: Can an unbegotten 
child be an heir? If a child then an heir, if 
not an heir then no child, so vice versa. 
Is a non-existing, a child or not? Say. 

Leaving the above and coming to the 
second kind of God's children, and that is, 
God's promised children. And on this 
point I need only cite you two verses. 
Isaac was a child of promise, Christ was a 
child of promise. And we, brethren, are 
the children of the promise as Isaac was. 
These may suffice, with a hundred that 
might be given you, as God's promised 
children to Christ and his church, through- 
out the Old Testament so full to this point, 
on which I know you will not mor cannot 
object, that God has promised children 
Put who are they, and what are they? AH 
well known to God^ Agreed. 

this seal, the Lord knoiveth them that are 
his. Agreed. Put are they born chil- 
dren? No; but they shall be born. A- 
greed. Now come hither, look northward, 
southward, westward, eastward, &c. all 
this land will I give thy seed for an ever- 
lasting possession — if thou canst count the 
stars of heaven or the sand of the sea, so 
•shall thy seed be — and kings shall come 
out of thy loins. 

Now, brethren, here stand before us mil- 
lions of Jews by God's promise, and it was 
surely his will and purpose to make the 
seed of Abraham such. Acts, 7. 5. Yet 
he promised that he would give it to him 
for a possession and to his seed after him, 
when as yet be had no child. (Mark that 
word, no child.) Now a question here. v 
Was Isaac a child before he was born? 
Yes, you will say, he was a promised 
child. Agreed. How then comes Paul 
to say, while as yet he had no child? If a 
promised child is a child, he could not 
have said so. Then a promised child is no 
child, nor is a predestinated child a child; 
nor is seed as the stars, or sand, a child; 
nor was thy seed Isaac, nor all the millions 
of the seed afore promised as the stars, chil- 
dren before born. Then promised seed 



are not children, thcv must he begotten 
and burn before a child or children. For 
ahhoHg 1 : Abraham had in his loins seed as 
the stars for number, and that a promised 
seed too, yet Paul says he had no child; 6T 
course then he does not count seed chil- 
dren. Romans, 9. 9: For this is the word 
of promise, at (his time will 1 come, and 
Sarah shall have a son. 8th verse: Rut 
the children of the promise are counted for 
the seed. Galatians, 4. 28: Now we, 
brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of 
promise. Isaac was a promised child, yet 
Abraham has no child. So Christ and the 
church has promised children, > et she has 
no children but promised children until 
they are born. At ihis time will I come, 
and S frah shall have a son. Say, was he a 
son b< fore that time, of his conception and 
birth.? When born then a son actually, and 
not before. 

ing but a formed lump of dusf; but when 
he breathed into him the breath of life then 
and not until then, he became a living, 
soul, and a man. There lies a dead man 
stretched out, died yesterday of the drop- 
sy; is this breathless body a man, or not? 
1 say not, for he is now while dead nothing, 
but like Adam in his original formed dust; 
he wants the re-union of spirit, soul and 
breath, to make this dead body a man. Ho 
that can understand, let him understand. 
There is seed, but it wants moisture and 
heat to give it life. Nor is it a plant until 
it has life, but seed only and not plant. So 
promised seed are not children, Paul being 

Thirdly, we come to God's children 
conceived in the womb, yet not born. And 
it is full sufficient for my purpose of your 
satisfaction, only to quote two scriptures 
on this head, knowing you are all wise 
Recollect in the laws of Moses, God I men . Luke, 1.31: And behold, thou shalt 

commanded that if a man died childless, 
his brother should marry his widow and 
raise up children to his deceased brother; 
but there was one man who knew if he be- 
gat a child by his brother's widow, that 
that child would not be his; so he refused 
to give her seed and spilt it on the floor. 
Now say, whether this spilt seed was a 
child or not? I pause for you to think. I 
say it was not a child. For if the spirit- 
Otis humor of man's body, which God has 
fitted for generation of our species, and is 
here called :-eed, be a child, then all bache- 
lors are murderers of children; all that 
shed their seed in sleep are murderers of 
children, to a man. And this spiritous hu 

conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a 
son, and shall call his name Jesus. Here is a 
child in the womb, you will say — so let it 
be. 24ih *erse: And after those days his 
wife Elizabeth conceived, and hid herself 
five months, saying, &c. So you will say, 
here is a child in. the womb — -so let it be. 
However, I give you one more scripture, 
to put an end to all sides of the matter. 
Isaiah, 66. S: Who hath heard such a 
thine*? who hath seen such things? shall 
the earth (the church) be made to bring 
forth in one day? or shall a nation be born 
at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she 
brought forth her children. Mark that 
word — ^as soon as Zion travailed, she 

mor in man's body was the seed in the brought forth her children — and not before, 
loins of Abraham, that begat Isaac; and so i y she must first conceive, and then Ira- 
followed on to the thy seed shall be as the ', V ail, and then come the children. Is this 
stars. And although there are no children j right, or not? Were they children in con- 
without this seed, yet this seed is not chil- ception, or not? The text does not allow 
drcn. The seed of the plant is one thing, \ the expression, children, until she travail- 

and the plant another; and the earth, and 
Beat, and moisture others. He that can re- 
ceive it, let him receive it. So then, nei- 

ed, and the childien born. And in this 
same sense I used that word, that no man is 
a child of God until he is born again; born 

ther seed nor promised seed are children, '• not of the will, flesh or blood of men, but 
until begotten and bo'rn. For will you : of the word of God, that livelh and abidcth 
call a seed a plani? No, sirs; for a plant forever. And all the devils in hell and 
may or may not spring from it, as the case angels in heaven and men on earth corn- 
may be, for want of moisture and heat, as bined together cannot give birth to such a 
the deadmss of Sarah's womb; some de- j c hild as this, nor is he a child until born, 
feet in the seed, may be also; but God giv- j We now will take up the conception of 
eth to every seed its own body as it hath j csl i S Christ. Was he the actual son of 
pleased him. j God before he was born of his mother? I 

Here let me ask a question or two: Was sa y 5 n0 ; for although he was a foreordain- 
Adam a man before God breathed in him et j SO n and a long promised son, yet he 
the breath of life? No, sir, he was noth- j was no t a born son until Mary brought 



him forth. And thus the text saith: That 
holy thing which shall be born of thee, 
shall be railed the son of God. Again, 
the textsaiih: Thou shalt conceive in thy 
womb, and bring forth a son. Luke, 1st 
chapter. Again: This day have I begot- 
ten thee. Again: When he bringeth the 
first begotten into the world. These texts 
show to me, Jesus Christ, was not actually 
entitled to be called the Son of God, until | 
he was born of his mother Mary. In his 
divine nature he is not son, but God; and 
no oilier God but he, a three-one God — the 
Christian's God in all ages. For if in his 
divine nature he be son, then he is not 
God; for one God cannot beget another 
God, for he who is begotten cannot be 
God, for to be a God he must be self-exist- 

So then Jesus Christ is son of God in his 
human nature, and not in his divine; nor 
was he actually son of God until born of 
Mary. Was he son of God before he was 
conceived? I answer, no; except, in the 
purpose, ordination, and determination of 
God, who speaketh of things by the mouth 
of prophetsthat should be as tho' they were. 
Was Jesus Christ a born child of God, when 
he was conceived by his mother Mary? I 
answer no, because conception is not born, 
nor born again, in no sense of that word. 
Born is a very different word from concep- 
tion; conception means a child in embryo, 
hut born, or born again, means a child 
brought forth in full perfection. Then 
conception is not a born child; in this 
sense of a born child I used that word, that 
no man is a child of God until born 
again, in no sense of that word; that is, 
the word born again was the design to ap- 
ply the words no sense of that word to. 
Or, to make it plainer, a predestinated 
child, a promised child, a conceived child, 
is not an actual child, is not a born child; 
what say you to this? Then a predestina- 
ted child, a promised child, nor a conceiv- 
ed child, is not a born child in no sense of 
that word, born; for the word born is the 
finishing stroke, but' predestination, prom- 
ising, and conception of a child, are prepa- 
ratory causes to produce the effect, born 
child, or born again — what say you to this? 
A born child is not a born child unlil he is 

This T presume, brethren, you will un- 
derstand, certainly as my meaning and ap- 
plication, in no sense of that word. The 
no sense of the word, was not intended to 
be applied to predestinated children, nor to 

promised children, nor to conceived chil- 
dren, but born children; which you may 
easy see by referring to my piece on the 
tares, that I was speaking of the children 
of the kingdom. And you will not deny 
that these meant church members, for 
Christ's kingdom ishis church — deny this. 
So I leave the matter, hoping my explana- 
tion may give all satisfaction, as to my re- 
ligious State cieed, and religious creed, 
and explanation on the tares and two 
seeds, &c. &c. 

I have a hundred other things to say to 
my brethren, but not now. I intend to 
write a general circular to all my Old 
School brethren throughout the United 
States, when I can get candles and leisure; 
but must acknowledge that, in my opinion, 
I have warred a good warfare against mis- 
sions, and am willing to fight until death 
against such priestcraft and church traffic, 
as the new schemes of the day in all of 
their money-making projects, to the dis- 
tress and division of the Baptist churches 
that never will be healed in time. So then 
gird on you every man his sword and do 
better thai) I have done, and I will praise 
God and not find fault with your best en- 
deavors; for I was not brought up in an 
academy nor college, but raised to catch- 
ing pikes, coons and opossums. Yet 1 am 
nothing; I neither go for honor nor purse. 
God has given me the gifts I possess, for 
the benefit of others; and I always have 
given it to them freely, as he gave them 
lo me. 

I shall now conclude with an anecdote. 
There was a white man by the name of 
Ilillory Manning, he was a hell redemp- 
tioner by profession and doctrine; and 
there was a black man called Whitley's 
Joe, a Methodist preacher. It so happen- 
ed that their appointments fell in at the 
same place. Joe gave Manning the pre- 
ference, as he was a white man; and when 
Manning was done preaching, Joe got up 
to preach and said: here is old Hillory Man- 
ning, the meanest of all God's creation; and 
here is Whitley's old Joe, not much better. 


Graves county, Kentucky., ~> 
Dec. 16M, 1838. 5 
Brother Bennett: I ha\e never writ- 
ten any thing for the public in my life; but 
shall send this to you, and you may dis- 
pose of it as you please. I haye been read- 



ing your paper for about eighteen months, , our Captain is, where we are assured that the* 
and wish to continue to read It; hut shall ; wicked shall cease from troubling, and the 
not flatter yon or it, as some of your cor- ' weary shall be forever ai rest, 
respondents do, because I have learned so j i'hen, and not until then, will our war- 
much of human nature, that I know that , fire be ended. For, short of the banks of 
flattering men and giving praise to mortals everlasting deliverance, the enemy will be 
is not profitable; neither docs it comfort or ■ harrassing, worrying, and besetting us; the 
console the poor oppressed dejected Chris- world !o allure, the devil to tempt, and the 
tiaii, who is and has been, debased by hav- i flesh to war against the Spirit; but God bo 
ing been exalted wiih pride and vain j ibankcd, that the victory is already won by 
glory. Christ, our chief Captain, and guaranteed to 

1 am a soldier of the cross, (if 1 am not us frelv, without money or price, and that 
deceived,) and I have enlisted for during to all eternity. For we are not the keepers 
the war; and am determined not to desert, of our spiritual treasures, but our treasures 
for I know that to be a crime worthy of are in Heaven, where neither moth nor 
death. And 1 oficn present myself before rust doth corrupt, and where no thief can 
my Captain, and try to beg and beseech approach; vea, and our life is there also, 
him not to pass me by or leave me and some hid with Christ in God; not hid so but that 
of my poor crippled, sickly and almost ex- | we know where.it is, and in whom we trust; 
lnusted comrades; for the siege has been so t but hid from the devil and wicked men, 
long and the enemy so cunning, yea, and I yea, from all our enemies. Therefore, 
so strong too, ; that bur quarter masters have j when the wicked rise up against us, and 

taken up arms and have gone into the bat' 
tie, and left the poor soldier almost without 
rations. Yet our Captain is so kind to us, 
that once in a while he sends a Comforter 
to us who are in the rear; and when he 
comes, he fills his office to a jot and tiillo. 

vent all their spite and venom, they fight 
as those who beat the air; for they know 
not where our life is, for it is hid from them 
and their hope against us are lost. For 
Solomon said, the hope of unjust men per- 
isheth. Me also sayeth, thai the. experla- 

For though he has been a long time gone, tion of the wicked perisheth. and that then? 
when he come-!, lie knows just what ails expectation shall he cut off; hut our expec- 
us, just what we want, and tells us better ; tation shall not perish, nor be cut off; for 

things than we could possibly have antici- 
pated. He informs us of the true state of 
the war, predicts its termination, gives us 
an accountof the store it head quarters, and 
shows us the signature to our title to it. 
Then it is, that our feet and ancle bones re- 

the expectation of the righteous is from the 
Lord; therefore it doth and shall abide. 

But we have rejoiced, and do rejoice, 
that our Lord is our righteousness, our 
strength, our confidence, and our expecta- 
tion; he is to us (spiritually) a father, an 

ceive strength, and we are enabled t > rise elder brother, a husband, a king, a priest; 
up and march forward, and to give praise , and of all the most eminent physicians. He 
and glory to Go.d. ; spares us as a father, fellowships us as brelh- 

We are also let, yea, conducted to the : ren, loves us as a husband, rules over us as 
banqueting house; there we meet with our \ a kingin righteousness, as a priest he atoned 
beloved Captain, antl'his banner over us is ' for us on Calvary, and now maketh inter- 
love. Here we eat, yea, and drink, and i cession for us at the right hand of hi9 Father 
feel ourselves to be our beloved's and our 'and our Father; yea, consoling it is to us, 
beloved ours. It is at this feast., thai we re- j poor imperfect mortals as we are, that if we 
alize the variety of rich dain.ties contained sin wo have an advocate with the Father, 
in the gospel of peace; which ancient and even Jesus Christ the righteous. As a 
modern writers have tried, but failed to de- physician, there is none to be compared 

scribe. It is called a feast of fat things, a 
feast of wine on the lees, of fat things full 
of marrow, of wines on the Ices well re- 
fined; and 10 heighten our joy on this occa- 
sion, this glorious occasion, the eye of faith 
is strengthened, so that the guest at this 
feast, can look as from Pisgah's top, and 
view the promised land, even that consola- 
ting place called the New Jerusalem; those 
heavenly mansions, where .the habitation of 

unto him; for he has never yet lost a case; 
(if he had, Idare say I should have been lost, 
for my wounds were unto death, and I un- 
willing to give tip my cascunlill had tried 
all human skill; yea, and despaired of life, 
and had wandered so far from him, and had 
struggled until all my strength had failed, 
and I could find none to help; there was 
none who seemed to care for my soul, and 
my ca.se was then the most desperate. 



For f was not only ir» this deplorable 
condition, but I had eyes to see h; yea, 
and all the feeling sensation of the living, 
and yet the sentence of condemnation to 
death was so plain and powerful, that 1 (ell 
it to the very vitals of my inmost parts; in- 
deed, the commandment had come, and sin 
revived, and 1 died.) Then litis physi- 
cian appeared for me, he probed my 
wounds, cleansed them with his own blood, 
and poured in the oil and the wine, and set 
me upon Ins own beast, and carried me to 
an inn; and has advanced two pence for my 
boarding and attendance, and lias directed 
me to be taken care of, and has pledged 
his word for what should be spent more 
And his word at the inn is not, nor will 
not, be disputed, or his solvency doubted. 

1 thought when I commenced, that pro- 
bably I should write but little; but alter 1 
got at it, I turned back and got into a vast 
field, that the regenerate knows something 
about. And have skipped and abridged 
so, that none but the wise can track me; 
but, a word to the wise is sufficient, and I 
write as unto wise men. Judge ye what i 
say, and if I am in an error, reprove me; 
and if I an) wise, it shall enter more into 
me than a hundred stripes into a fool. 

May the God of Jacob be with you and 
all his Israel. Adieu. 



North Carolina, Camden C. H. 
Dec. 25th, 1838. 

Brother Bennett : I have obtained 
a few subscribers for the Primitive, and 
rejoice that I can now request you to send 
me seven of your numbers; for which I 
enclose you six dollars. We have a min- 
ister with us at this time, who is very suc- 
cessful, and our missionary men seem to 
be much startled at, and threaten to pull 
down our old meeting house, as their mem- 
bers are deserting fast. And I think the 
earth will open her mouth and swallow the 
flood, thatiscast outof these dragons mouths. 
And may the Lord hasten the time, when 
he will give his cburch to be more than con- 
queror over our spiritual and earthly ene- 
mies; and ever keep us humbled at his 
footstool, is the desire ot your well wisher. 


N. B. This minister's name is John Vin- 
cent, from the State of .Missouri, and is a 

hold advocate for the Primitive cause; he 
has been with us between three and four 
months, and I expect will tarry till the 
winter ends. Amen. 

for the primitive baptist. 

Hamilton county, Term. ? 
Dec 26lh, 183S. 5 

Dear brother Bennett : 1 have ta- 
ken my pen in hand to drop you a few 
words of information, that will, no doubt, 
be unwelcome news to you or any other 
friend oi iruth and honesty. It is a well 
known fact, that the body of doctrine con- 
tained in your paper, and supported by 
scripture, has its enemies; and i am not 
surprised to hear all manner of carnal reas- 
oning and arguments against it. Noi ami 
surprised, to see and hear a great deal of 
mockery and scoffing, and many fa ise rep- 
resentations of the doctrine which. we hold 
and teach; but I am sorrowfully surprised, 
and filled with fearful astonishment, when 
1 find that men will make themselves guil- 
ty of pekjtjhy, to prevent the circulation 
of the doctrines of the gospel ! I pity 
them in my soul. But how is this done ? 
may be the inquiry. J answer. 1 have 
lately ascertained the fact (in a way that I 
am forced to believe it against my will,) 
that two Post masters who are opposed to 
Old School Baptist principles, have been 
suppressing your papers to prevent the 
subscribers from reading them ! ! ! 

I wish them to remember that they arc 
sworn, and are accountable before the great 
Judge for the performance of the duties of 
■ their office, ihey who are guilty know 
it. Let them take warning, and 1 shall for- 
bear to mention names for the present. 

Yours in bonds of love. 



Vermilion county, llluiois. ? 
Dec. 28th, 1838. } 
Dear brother Bennett: 1 feel myself 
unworthy to call those that I think are 
Christians, brethren; but if I am a Chris- 
tian, the Old School Baptists are my breth- 
ren — they and they only, preach what I 
believe. I have been favored by my dear 
j brother, R. M. Newport, with one of your 
papers some two or three months back; 
and I have had three sent to me. I have 
read them with much pleasure. 1 think I 
may say, the doctrine contained in them 



has been food to my soul. May the Lord 
male use of you in his own hand to the 
palling down the strongholds of satan.. 

Please send me six copies — there are a 
few who do not profess religion who seem 
to love the truth. Ma}' the Lord cause 
them to love the truth for its beauty and 
excellency, and to walk in it. 

I subscribe myself your unworthy bro- 
ther, full of imperfections, doubts and 


Alabama, Pickens county, } 
Bee. 4th, 1S3S.' S 

Dear Brother Bknnk.tt: From a 
feeling sense of things of so great impor- 
tance, I am induced to communicate to 
you a few facts, with some of my own 
thoughts relative to passing circummstan- 
ces, known to many- Lamentable it is to 
see. to think, and to feel, the great impro- 
priety, of the course pursued by a part of 
our American people, the fathers of some 
of whom shed their blood to purchase the 
liberties of a republican people in both act 
and conscience, who were once like many 
are now, wearing the yoke of priestly bon- 
dage; particularly a part of those who are 
known by the name of Arminian Baptists. I 
mean such of them as pretend to say, the 
churches must send out preachers into the 
world qualified by men and supported, 
may 1 not say by a tariff income, money, 
money; otherwise men and women must 
inevitably perish, for want of this effort, 
poor lost heathen on these terms, yea, may 
I not say infants too. 

Every orthodox Baptist, in my opinion, 
is desirous to do all the good he can; but 
take care, let us not do extra service, such 
as God has not bidden us do. Now I 
would ask every unprejudiced mind, if 
the salvation of man does not depend en- 
tirely on the effort made by man one of an- 
other, if the above quoted doctrine be 
true? Surely it does. But for myself, I 
have never seen any thing in the written 
word of God to justify the idea; but I see 
therein contained, words like these: It is 
not him that willeth, nor him that runneth, 
but that it is God that giveth grace, &c. 
Further, should the above be true, 1 fear 
many would fall, as it were by the hand of 
Saul; therefore I fearlessly say, scripture 
with sound reasoning on the might of Dei- 
ty will teach any man, that God is a God 
of all power and wisdom, and that from 

ever to everlasting. I pray such a God to 
cause such to withhold their puny arm of 
flesh, when they would fain assume the 
power of a God. 

From holy writ I understand the Lord 
God to have chosen his people in Christ be- 
fore the world was, according to the elec- 
tion of grace; them he foreknew he pre- 
destinated, them he predestinated he also 
justified, them he justified he also called. 
Then why should any pretend to say, that 
the pious followers of our blessed Saviour 
have ever acted upon the principle, that 
the world is dependent on the church for a 
preached gospel? For my own part, I 
have always, since a thinker at all, thought 
the world dependent on God for a preach- 
ed gospel, not at all claiming ease in the 
church; for when Zion travels, she bring- 
eth forth sons and daughters. 

Have we not all reason to believe from 
facts, that most of the preaching done in 
this day is for money? Does it not seem 
that the love of money is the pivot on 
which many act, with a name of making 
Christians for the Lord? Power is want- 
ing, then money is sure. Have not many 
said, if you do not pay us we cannot 
preach? And they are just such as I think 
should not preach. Methinks I hear some 
say, if we hold our peace the stones will 
cry out; and they are such, in my humble 
conception, as shall go forth in the demon- 
stration of the Spirit; and are such, I 
think, as we should not withhold our sup- 
port from. I believe for such, the Lord 
will put it in the mind of the church to 
loose the hands of, as much as in their 
power is, so far as is consistent with the 
will of God; such as bespeak to the church 
that God has commanded to go and preach 
the gospel to every creature, that is, to all 
who he may preach without respect of per- 
sons, not that one man is to preach to eve- 
ry man and woman in the world. 

May every impartial thinker, both saint 
and sinner, see what is called the Consti- 
tution of the Home Missionary Society; 
Jhcn and there judge whether the Armini- 
an Baptists are acting with republican 
principles, in regard to the rights of con- 
! science. All republican governments, in 
! both church and State, vest the people or a 
I majority at least, with the sovereign right 
of ruling. Let us pause for a moment, and 
| see where we are, and where we are nas- 
j tcning to, both in time and eternity. Who 
knows when heathenism may cover our 
land, while our sons and our daughters 



may not enjoy the privileges that we do; 
while God mny cause light to spring up in 
some other quarter oi' the world, which is 
now in heathen darkness, as has been in 
davs before — God over all, Amen. 

Yours, truly. S. W. H.HRR1S. 

N. B. Feeling an imperative dnt\ involv- 
ed, I take the privilege of laying before the 
world, in some measure, a brief sketch of 
the unchristianlike conduct of one towards 
another, touching the Old and New School 
Baptists. We seem to have peace among 
ourselves, while all forma complete union; 
when one moves the whole church moves 
with one accord, like Pharaoh's horses 
and chariot. During a period of time just 
preceding the great rending of churches 
and professed brethren, the Rev. Wm. R 
Stansel had the pastoral care of Bethany 
church, where my membership was and is 
yet; who i\as greatly loved and esteemed, 
J do believe, by all the church, as a wise 
and true minister of the gospel; telling the 
church he was more Antinomian, as he 
called it, than missionary. Coming up to 
the time of near two years ago, said Stan- 
sel with Henry Petiy, a pious and noted 
preacher of the gospel of Christ, who has 
ever stood firm in the orthodox Baptist 
faith, and faithfully contending for the 
faith once delivered to the saints, as the 
Old School Baptists believe; while the im- 
partial part of the world to him known are 
constrained to say, he must be a man of 
God, truly republican in church and State, 
reverenced as a minister by saint and sin- 
ner, as a father of light in the gospel word. 
A trip to and from Mobile, a few days after 
their return said Stansel at the above na- 
med Bethany church, voluntarily spake to 
all members of the church that were pre- 
sent, in a word, publicly to all present, that 
his trip to Mobile with his bro. Petty, had 
begat in him a newness of love for his said 
bro. Petty — understand, nothing had ev- 
er been known to exist between them 
worse — and as a truly pious and worthy 
brother and ' father in the ministry, and 
that he did much honor the cause of Jesus 
by his chaste walk and godly conversation, 
or words to this purport. 

These facts are well known to be so; if 
testimony were wanting further, it could 
be produced. Some time after this, there 
came a report out into the world, that said 
Petty had been drunk io Mobile during 
the trip above mentioned. When oppor- 
tunity was offered, said Stansel was asked, 
if the report was trae. He seems to have 

answered in the negative, and spoke of his 
being as clear of that charge as the person 
who might not have seen spirits in a week. 

Some short time after this, a division in 
the church of said Potty's membership 
look place, between the Old and New 
School Baptists. The Old School had ,1 
large majority 7 . The minority, the New 
School part of the church, as once was 
claimed being the true church, got up 
some testimony among the New School, 
for the purpose of excluding said Petty; 
bringing the above named charge of drun- 
kenness, or having been under the influ- 
ence of spirits in Mobile, at the time spo- 
ken of in the k foregoing, and at the same 
time not the church. One of the witness- 
es was the above named W. R. Stansel, 
who had previously cleared him I now 
say, all testimony that could be wanting at 
any tribunal to clear him of the charge, 
can be had. 

Dear brethren, and fellow travellers to 
eternity, this is for the sole purpose in my 
weak way, of trying to entreat the world 
to beware of such as would it seems cut 
our throats, to accomplish their designs. I 
would now, in a word, say, the much be- 
loved H. Petty has never been excluded 
from his church; but, like a faithful herald 
of the cross, seems to stand a watchman on 
the walls of Zion, giving the faithful a- 
larm. may the Lord, of his infinite 
mercy and goodness, continue to bring in 
such as he would like to own and bless. 

Truly, yours. S. W. HJiRRIS. 



North Carolina. — .1. Biggs, Sen. Williamston 
R. M. G. Moore, Germanton. W. W. Mizell, Ply- 
mouth. Jacob Swindell, IVasldngton, James Sou- 
therland, Warrcnton. Alfred Partin, Raleigh\ 
Charles Mason, Roxboro\ James Wilder, An- 
derson's Store. Benj. Bynum, Speights Bridge. H, 
Avera, Averashoro' 1 . Parham Packet, Richlands. 
John H. Keneday, Chalk Level. Burwell Tem- 
ple, Wake county. Obadiah Sowell, Rogers'' P. 0, 
Geo. W. McNeely, Lcaksville. David J. Mott, 
Long Creek Bridge. Ely Holland, Smitkficld. 
James Dobson, Surecta. Stephen Rogers, Holly 
Spring, .lames H. SasSer, Waynesboro'' . John 
Fruit, Sundy Creek. L. B. Bennett, Hcathville< 
Jas. P. Daniel, Stantonsburg. Willis L. Gooch^ 
Buffalo Hill, Alfred Ellis, Strabane, Cor's Ca- 
naday, Carterettsvilk, William Welch, Abbotfs 
Creeki J. Lamb, Camden C. Hi 

South Carolina. — Wm. Hardy, Saluda Hill, 
James Hembree, Sen. Anderson C. H. Frederick 
Ross, Cambridge. Lewis Shirrell, Silver Glade. 
B. Lawrence, Effingham, James Burris, Sen. 
Bold Spring. William S. Shaw, Bock Mills. \if- 
vi Lee, Blaekville, 



Georgia. — William Mosely, Bear Creek, Edw. 
S. Duke, Fayelteville. A. Clavdand, Mclhnough. 
James Henderson, Munliccllo. A. B. fteid, 
Brownsville. John MoKenney, For-syih. Anthony 
Holloway, Lagrange. Patrick M. Calhoun, h'uox- 
ril/e. J. M. Roekmore, Mountain Creel;, Rowell 
Reese, Ealonton. Tho's Amis, Lexington. Jona'n 
Necl, Macon. Charles P. Hansford, Union Hill. 
John VV. Turner, Pleasant Hill. Joshua Bowdoin, 
Aduirsvillc. R,Totef< Upatoie. Clark Jackson, Fort 
Gaines. John Gayden, Franklin. John S. Keith, 
Luthersrille. P. H. Edwards, Georgetown. Win. 
Trice, Tho-naston. Win. Bowden, Union Valley. 
Ezra McCrary, Warrenion. Wiley Pearce, Cairo. 
G. W. Holifield, Vernon. B. Pace, Clean Town. 
Lewis Peacock, Cassville. Vachal D. VYhatley, 
Barncsvi/le. Alex. Garden, Mount. Morne. Tho- 
mas 1. Johnson, Newnun. Elias O. Hawthorn, 
Bainbridge. John G. Winlringham, Halloca. Wil- 
liam M. Amos, Greenville. Randolph Arnold, 
Ijatimcr's Store. Thomas J. Bazemore, Clinton. 
Josiah Stovall, Aquilla. G. P. Camion, Cullodea- 
ville. Jason Greer, Indian Springs. William 
McBlvy, Attapulgus. Furna Ivey, Milledgcville. 
William Garrett, Fucker's Cabin. Jesse Moore, 
Irwinton. Leonard Pratt, Whitcsville. Thomas 
A. Sullivan, Decatur. Thomas J. Johnson, New- 
nan. B, J' Hendon, Corinth. Robert B. Mann, 
Chesnut Grove. William Tippit, Cedar Branch. 
A. G. Simmons, Hickory Grove, John Lanhon, 
Chenuba. Thomas C\ Trice, Hillsboro', John 
Herington, Welborn's Mills, John McCorquo- 
dale, Farchitala. James P. Ellis, FincviWc, Shu- 
mate J. Sloan, Chesnut Hill. French Haggard, 
Athens. Henry Barron, Jackson, John Murray, 
Fort Valley. Josiah Gresham, U/oy. Daniel O'- 
Neal, Foivlton. John Applewhite, Waynesboro'', 

Alabama. — L. B. Mosely, Cahawba. A. Kea- 
ton, McComco. John Blackstone, La Fayette. VV. 
W. Carlisle, Fredonia. Henry Dance, Daniel's 
Frairie. Wm. W. Walker, Liberty Hill. Dan'l 
Gafford, Greenville. Samuel Moore, Snow Hill. 
John G. Walker, Milton. Henry Williams, Ha- 
vana. Samuel Clay, Mount Hebron. John F. Lo- 
vett, Mount Pleasant, Elias Daniel, Church Hill. 
John Bonds, Clinton, David Johnston, Leighlon. 
Joel H. Chambless, Louisville. Adam MeCreary, 
Brooklyn. Josiah Jones, Jackson. David Jacks, 
New Market. Sherrod VV. Harris, Vienna. John 
McQueen, Graves' Ferry. William Talley, 
Mount Mariah, Graddy Herring, Clayton. G,\Y. 
Jeter, Pint Lala, Samuel C. Johnson, Pleasant 
Grove. William Crutcher, Huutsville. W illiam 
Hi Cook, Pickcnsville. Seaborn Hamrick, Plan- 
lersvillc. Eli McDonald, Faynesvilk, Mai k Por- 
ter, Demopolis. William Melton, Bluff Fort. 
James S. Morgan, Dayton. Wm. Hyde, Gaines- 
ville, Rufus Daniel, Jamcston, Anderson W. 
Billiard, Tusgegce. J. L. Patten, Bellcfonfc. 
Frederick Hines, Gaston, Z. Johns, Tiara, Ei 
McDonald, Fainsville. A. Mitchell, Carter's Hill. 
William Powell, ToungsviUe. James Hay, Wu- 
nooca, Silas Monk, Horse Shoe Bend, 

Tennessee. — A. V. Farmer, Blair's Ferry. M. 
II. Sellers, 'Fen Mile. William Patrick, Poplar 
Corner. Michael Burkhalter, Cheeksville Asa 
Biggs, Denmark. Tho's K. Clingan, Smith's \*\ 
Roads. William E. Pope, Philadelphia. Aaron 
Cornpton, Somervil/e. Charles Henderson, Finery 
Iron ll r orks. Asa Newport, Mcesville. James 
Maulden, Van Buren. A. Burroughs, Wesley. Wm. 

Croom, Jackson. Daniel Briggs, Decatur. Clem- 
1110119 Sanders, Mount Vernon. Daniel Webb, 
Lexington. Sion Bass, Puree Forks, JohnW. 
Springer, Sugar Creek. VV. A. Bowdon, Duke- 
dom, Smith Hansbrough, Jucks Creek, William 
S. Smith, Winchester. Isham Simmons, Calhoun. 
Thomas Hill, Swiervi/le. Ira E. Douthit, Lynch- 
burg. C.T. Echols, Mifflin. Aaron Tison, Midon. 
Levi Kirkland, Waverly. Abner Steed, Fayette- 
ville, Henry Randolph, Snodysville. Pleasant E. 
Witt, Cheek's X Boadi, J, Cooper, Uvionville. 
George Turner, Waverly. Michael Branson, 
Long Savannah. J as, |j, Holloway, Hazel Green. 

Mississippi. — Jesse Battle, Meridian Sprhigs. 
James D. Williams, Daiiville Worsham Mann, 
Columbus. Silas Dobbs, Brooklyn. Henry Pet- 
ty, Zion. William Huddleston, Thomastoa. Na- 
than Tims, Kosciusko. 

Florida, — James Alderman, China Grove, Da- 
vid Callaway, Cherry Lake. 

Louisiana. — Peter Bankston, Marburyville. 

Missouri. — Calvin Newport, Harmony. 

Illinois. — Hichard M. Newport, Grand View, 
James Marshall, Salem. Joel Ferguson, Danville. 

Indiana. — Peter Saltzman, New Harmony. I- 
saac W, Denman, Gallatin, Zachafhh McClure, 
Tcrrc Haute. 

Ohio. — Joseph H. Flint, Hamilton. R. A. Mor- 
ten, Fulton. John B. Moses, Germanton, 

Kentucky. — Jona. H. Parker, Salem. Tho. Pi 
Dudley, Lexington. Sanford Connelly, Shclbyville, 

Virginia. — Kemuel C. Gilbert, Sudnorsville. 
Rudolph Rorer, Berger's Store. John Clark, Fre- 
dericksburg. E. Harrison, Ileningsville. W*m. 
VV. West, Dumfries. Joseph H. Eanes, Calland's. 
William Burns, Halifax C, H, George VV. San- 
ford, Harrisonburg. Jesse Lankford, Bouprs's, 
Elijah Hansbrough, Somerville. 

Dis. Columbia. — Gilbert Beebe, Alexandria. 

Pennsylvania. — Hezekiah West, South Hill. 
Joseph Hughes, Gum Tree. Nathan Everitt, 
Chillicoats Town. 

New Jersey. — Wm. Patterson, Suckasunny. 

Wisconsin Ter. — M. W. Darnall, Blue Biver. 


E. Hansbrough, 62 
Joel Ferguson, 5 
R. A. Morton, 1 
Thomas Martin, 1 
VV. G. Wilder, 2 
Miss D. Milliken, 1 
Wm. Melton, 5 

Henry Saxon, 5 


Fn.ncis Fletcher, §5 
Edmund Dumas, 1 
John McKenney, 10 
Allen Cleveland, 5 
VV. R. Long, 
Wm. Thi^pen, 
Mrs. R. Sugg, 
Lewis Hond, 


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SATURDAY, MARCH 9, 183!). 

VOL. 4. 

E-WWW3-Y ' - > 



Decatur coanli/t, Georgia, 
December 30M, 1S3S. 

Dear brother Bennett: I feel dispo- 
sed to address you and all the brethren, 
who feel the spirit of foxhunting, in a few 
remarks from the Song of Solomon, 2. 15, 
which reads thus: Take us the foxes, the 
little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our 
Vines have tender grapes. 

Now, brethren, the wise man Solomon 
had been singing concerning the mutual 
love of Christ and his church, the hope and 
calling of the church, Christ's care of the 
church, the profession of the church, her 
faith and hope — and in the midst, drops 
the above remarks about the foxes. Now, 
brethren, these foxes are put foi heretics, 
false prophets. Ezek. 13. 4. Wicked ty- 
rants. Luke, 13. 32. Sampson caught 
three hundred foxes, and by what I see in 
the Primitive Baptist, I think they would 
be taken in this our day, if it was not for 
their literal nature; which is to dig holes 
for themselves but then leave several out- 
lets, that if the huntsman lays his snares at 
one, they may escape at another. But he 
perceived their craftiness, and said unto 
them, why tempt ye me? Shew me a 
penny. Whose image and superscription 
hath it? They answered and said; Ce- 
sar's. And he said unto them, render 
therefore unto Cesar the things which be 
Cesar's* and unto God the things which be 
God's. Luke, 20. 23—25. He also says: 
He taketh the wise in their craftiness, and 
the counsel of the froward is carried head- 

long Job. 5. 13. 

In the above texts, as in all revelation, I 
view Christ speaking through his servants- 
And hy the apostle Paul he saith: The 
preaching of the cross is to them that per- 
ish foolishness; but unto us which are sa- 
ved, it is the power of God. For it is 
written* I will destroy the wisdom of the 
wise, aud will bring to nothing the under- 
standing of the prudent. For after that, 
in the wisdom of God the world by wis- 
dom knew not God, it pleased God by the 
foolishness of preaching to save them that 
believe. The fear of the Lord is the be- 
ginning of wisdom, the fear of the Lord is 
to hate evil. To the Book. 

Now it is as easy for any man, that has 
been barn again and made acquainted, with 
true wisdom, to discern between the crafts- 
men of the day and the true preacher or 
Christian, as it is to see that Judas was a 
traitor and that Peter was a Christinn. And 
it is further said, that signs shall follovy 
them that believe, they shall take up ser- 
pents, &C; and be wise as serpents, and 
harmless as doves. These remarks* with 
many others in the good old Book, which 
we all have recourse to, go to show that 
we, brethren, should be up and doing, and 
stand on our watchtower; and as the Wea- 
pons that we use are not carnal, but migh- 
ty through God, we should be patienr to- 
ward all men; but take up every thino- 
that has the appearance of antichrist, or 
any thing that opposes equality in both 
church snd State, and be sure to contend 
for republican principles. And in doing 
of this we may in this day expect to bo 
cast off by despots and hypocrites, but fight 
on, that is the best evidence in the world 
that we are on the Lord's side. Then all 
that are on the Lord's side should stand 
.with sword in hand, notwithstanding ma 
ny say, do not contend on matters of reK-> 



gion; but be charitable, and republican, 
and let every one think and act for him- 
.self. This 1 became acquainted wiih at our 
Association. We, as a body, received cor- 
respondence from an Association that had 
declared non-fellowship with Associations 
that were in favor of the institutions of the 
day; and also from one that her messenger 
staled was of the go-between republican 
faith, that those things should not break 

Now, brethren, the fact is, there is no 
middle ground between republican princi- 
ples and despotic, neither is there between 
true Christianity& hypocritical pretensions; 
therefore, I predict a distress in the Ock- 
locknee, as well as other Associations; 
for I think the seed is sowing fast, which 

der to communicate a few lines to you?- 
ihough I feel some delicacy in attempting 
to address you by letter, in order to lay 
before the public, for I see in my la?t let' 
ter I sent you, a misconstrued word either 
in me or you. The word is this; Paul did 
fail to declare the whole cour>se ; of God — 
which does not correspond with »he word 
of God. But it should read thu*: Paul did 
not fail, &c. ; which would make it read 
right. I hope to" see the mistake rectified, 
for such mistakes are injurious to your pa- 
per. If the mistake is in me, I must ac- 
knowledge, my brother, to you and the 
public, 1 did not sav what I meant in that, 
case; so I drop this subject, and will tuna 
to what I have in view. 

For the cause of God is a precious cause 

will breed discord. The Ocklocknee to me, and 1 think it should be to all God' 

sheep have not been sheared very closel) , 
and I think that there are some of the wool- 
gatherers that begin to think it high time 
that they were fleeced; they have been 
well fed and are hearty sheep, their wool 
good and long; the vine, too, has tender 

children; but as there are many called and 
but few chosen, and a9 there will b& 
many that will cry out, Lord, Lord, 
and yet will not be able to enter, and will 
cry out, Lo here, and Lo there; but our 
blessed Saviour saj s in very plain terms, 

grapes, and the foxes will be too apt to believe them not. AndT do take the Lord's 
spoil the vine. Young Christians while j directions, for the many schemes of the 
tender are much easier carried off with day I do not believe in. And if 1 amask- 
doctrines of men than them which have ed, why I do not? it is because the Lord has 
had more experience; they are too much not spoken it to me. 

like voung birds, shake the nest and they 1 merely want to tell to ihe public, what 
will prepare as soon as possible, and are as I think our modern, Arminian, new inslitu- 
stpt to swallow a pebble as a berry. , tion,spcculatingB,mtists are like. Brethren, 

Therefore, bre-hren, I saj we should not there was much rumor in days of old about 
hear these hush men, but should take the witchery, and I think there is as much ins 
oversight of the sheep and iambs of Christ; this day as there was in former days; and 
and as fai'nful watchmen stand on the walls our moderns point them out to me so plain, 
of Zion, and cry aloud, and spare not; j et I wish to inform the public what I think of 
not as of constraint, but of a ready mind; them. Though before I set out, I will re- 
nol for filthy lucre, but willingly. And fer you to the scripture for proof. Acts, 8. 
by so doing God will bless our labors; and 9, 10, 11. These verses point out witchc- 
all the children of Jesus shall be saved. I ry to me. I need not write the words of 
have given some hints in weakness, not out the verses above named, only to show how 
of envy but from love to the cause of Simon bewitched the people no doubt but 
Christ. with his flattering tongue and his fair 

Brother Editor, I wish you to continue speeches; just like our moderns do to make 
our numbers of your paper, for they gain money. Simon used sorcery and bewitch- 
applause in this section of Georgia. I now ed the people of Samaria. And now, bro- 
conclude by saying to you and all my thcr Bennett, if there were witches in s» 
brethren, you have my good wishes in the early a date after Jesus ascended, and de- 
©ause of Christ, and that my soul feasts of- ceived the people, then I think there are 
ten by reading your letters in the Primi- the same kind of witches in this day as Si- 
tive Baptist. Yours in the bonds of the gos- mon was. And these new-fangled scheme* 
pel. E. O. HAWTHORN. to get money arc similes of the same plan; 

for I have been v<~ry cred.tably informed that 

Georgia, Randolph county, ) these missionaries, or moneynaries, which 

Oct. 24M, 1838. \ name suits them much the best, will at 

Dear and beloved brothkr Bennett: their meetings when they go to collect or 

Again 1 have, taken my pen in hand, in or-, beg money, when they go to the ladies t* 



c irs1rthem for money, previous to the time 
will place a five or ten dollar bill into their 
wife, or d-iughter, or sister, or friend's 
hand; as soon as the invitation is made, up 
steps the wife or daughter, sister or friend, 
and hands that in first; with that, of course, 
others that are of as high standing and pro- 
fess to be friendly to the new-fanglers, must 
give as much; and to be called big, may be 
so a liltle more. But ten to one, at ihe 
same time, if they d* not grudge it very 
bad. But to notice the first moving cause, 
to place money into his wife or daughter's 
hand, this is what I call witching* in the 
most high terms. 

My sisters and ladies, a word to you: 
You know that witchery is in general pla- 
ced on poor old women; but I feel dispo- 
sed to show that men are worse witches 
than women. For I think Simon the sor- 
cerer bewitched more people than one hun- 
dred poor old women. 

Again: these missionaries will go and 
rove from pole to pole, and cry out, that 
the heathen are perishing for the gospel; 
now just give us money, we are engaged in 
sending the gospel to them. But you see, 
if they do not get money it just carries 
this in it, that the heathen may perish. 
This is more witchery, another scheme to 
get money. And as verses have become 
common place things in your paper, I wish 
to put some in, which are to the point — - 
which are sung in c. m. 

1. O! for a thousand pounds a year, 
That I might go and preach, 
And loud proclaim to every ear, 
What I delight to teach. 

2. 0! that our missionary Board, 
Would agents more employ; 

And send them forth to beg for gold, 

How I would leap for joy. 
5, O! that the halcyon day was come, 

When thy Board far and near, 

Would bring that earthly wealth as one, 

And cry, Lo, it is here. 
4i O! what a precious time of gold, 

All carried to the Lord; 

For this my service shall be sold, 

And I'll practise the wordi 

5. My generous hand would liberal send, 
Of cash shall grasp the store; 

Then will I preach from shore to shore, 
And cry, give gold, give more. 

6. But 0! how painful to mine eyes, 
The cash comes in so slow; 

I fear that all to their surprise, 
Sink down to endless woe. 
7> 0! for a thousand tongues to praise, 
Our missionary plan; 
Since gold and silver are the cause 
Ot our scientific scheme. 

These verses are pointing to the present 
times of fangling schemes of the day. 
They go and preach, and profess the gos- 
pel to be glorified; but oh, behold and see, 
how they are moneyfied* 

Brother Bennett, I could give many 
more pieces on witchery, in the manner 
which I have spoken of it; but as my sheet 
is nearly filled up, I come to a close. And 
may the Lord bless you, my brother, and 
all that prove faithful in the Lord. 



Bluff Port, Sumpter county, Jila. \ 
January 1st, 1839. $ 
Bear Brother Bennett : Your pa- 
per called the Primitive Baptist has been 
a source of good news to me, and I am one 
that feels anxious for its continuance and I 
hope it will not cease. The reason I am 
so anxious for it arid the Signs to continue, 
is, because 1 believe they carry with them 
the truth. 

Yours in bonds of love. 



Georgia, Monroe county, } 
Dec. 24lh, 1S3S. £ 
Dear brother Mark: I know rot 
whether it is in season, or out of season, 
for me to write you a line or to let it alone;, 
yet, notwithstanding my ignorance of that, 
I will write to you again, and send you the 
names of a few more new subscribers* 
strictly Old School Baptists. And as I am 
drawing the bow at a venture, 1 will tell 
you, (not because you do not know it, but 
because you do,) that the volume of the 
Book, the volume of divine revelation tca- 
ches the meek and lowly followers of the' 
glorious immaculate Lamb of God, many 
valuable and sacred lessons. Divine reve- 
lation teaches them that salvation is of God, 
alone, unconnected with effort, means of 
; men, or money. The heirs according to 
promise, are taught that they are bought 
with a price; not corruptible, as silver and 
gold, but with the precious blood of the 
Son of God. Their defence is a munition 
of rocks, built upon the rock Christ, kept 
by the power of God, through faith unto 
salvation. The same sacred volume tea-, 
ches also, that Jehovah will have mer-. 
cy on whom he will have mercy,, arft] 



whom he will he hardeneth Divine in- 
spiration emphatically teaches, that not 
man}' wise men alter the flesh, not main 
mighty, not many noble are called; but it 
pleased God to call one here and another 
there, one from the plough tail, another 
from bis hammer and anvil, and a third 
from his cobbler's shop, &c. &c. Yes, sir, 
God in the wisdom and great economy of 
his grace, has displayed his almighty pow- 
er in calling poor illiterate men from hum- 
ble stations of life and has fitted and quali- 
fied them to minister abou-t holy things. 

And as 1 am a great stickler for the old 
Book, I will right here give you a few ex- 
amples. Read I Kings, xix. 15 — 19: 
The Lord said unto Elijah, (Jo, return on 
thy way to the wilderness of Damascus: 
(Now let it be recollected, i hat the old 
prophet had fled for his life from the face 
of Jezebel, and was dwelling in a cavej 
when the divine message was delivered' 
unto him,) and when thou comest, anoint 
Hazael to be king over Syria: and Jehu the 
son of Nimsiii shall thou anoint to be king 
over Israel: and Elisha the son of Shaphat, 
of Abel-meholah shalt thou anoint to be I 
prophet in thy room. So he (Elijah) de-| 
parted thence, and found Elisha the son ofj 
Shaphat, who was plutighing with t'-elve 
yoke of oxen before him, and he (Elisha) 
with the twelfth. So here is one called 
from the plough tail to prophecy to the na- 
tions. Thus was Elisha called from a sta- 
tion similar to what we call overseeing 
At any rate, he was a ploughman, not 
ploughing twelve yoke of oxen, as it is 
sometimes quoted, but was ploughing; with 
twelve yoke of oxen before him, and he 
tvith the twelfth yoke himself. 

Again, read Judges, vh When the Is- 
Taelitish nation did evil in the sight of the. 
Lord, he delivered them into the hand of 
the Midianites, Amalekites, and children 
of the East; even they came up against 
them, like grasshoppers for multitude, 
overspread their land, reaped their har- 
vests, and rioted upon the fruits of their la- 
bors. In the meantime, the poor wretch- 
ed Hebrews 1 , in order to save themselves 
from death, or from a captivity which 
would have been even worse, were fain to 
flee to the mountains, and hide themselves 
in dens and caves of the earth. Then it 
was that Gideon was informed, that he 
should deliver Israel out of the hand of her 
enemies. Read the 11 th verse: And then 
came an angel of the Lord, and sal under 
an oak which was in Opluah, that pertain- 

ed unto Joash the Abi-ezrife: and his soU 
Gideon threshed wheat b >.he winepress, 
to hide it from the Midianites. And the? 
angel of 'he Lord appeared unto him, and 
informed him that he w:,s designated to 
deliver Israel. Scarcely could he credit 
what he heard, and with an amiable' self- 
diMdenee replied: my Lord, wherewith 
shall I save Israel? behold, my family is poor' 
in Manasseh. and I am ihe lost in my fath- 
er's house. (Mark the modesty of the man.) 
The Lord looked upon him, and it was a 
look of love and approbation, and said urvto 
him, go in this .thy might and thou shalt 
save Israel from the Midianites. Gideon 
bowed to the will of heaven, obeyed the 
divine command, embarked in his coun- 
try's cause, and with but a few men he 
drove out the enemy who escaped his 
sword, and in such a manner chastised the 
invading nations and broke their power, 
that during forty years after they never 
presumed to renew their encroachments 
and depredations; Thus Gideon, ;i poor 
young farmed, was balled from threshing* 
wheat, called to lay aside his threshing 
flails and implements of husbandry, to deli- 
ver Israel out of the hand of her enemies,* 
He straightway obeyed the divine com- 
mand. So you see that I have brought two 
examples to the point, Elisha's call from 
the plough tail, and Gideon from the 
threshing flails. 

Our pious young missionaries, especially 
those ol the South, would be quite disgust- 
ed at the idea of ploughinga yoke of oxen, 
or threshing wheat either: I ha\e never 
seen any of them ploughing oxen, or 
threshing wheat, though I now recollect of 
hearing from one threshing missionary* 
who if n>ot willing to thresh himself recom- 
mended others to do it. That was Mr, 
Daniel Dodge, or perhaps I ought to say, 
President D.; who UKged upon the New 
York Association, the necessity of send- 
ing a large delegation well armed with 
hickory flails, and he would have then* 
(the delegation) to thresh Beebeism out of 
the Baltimore Association. Take care, 
brother Osbourn, lake care, lea3t that son of 
helial gets brush at your old hard head, 
while tie is threshing .Beebeism out of the 
bounds of the Baltimore Association. Mr. 
D. is the only threshing missionary I have 
heard frcrm, arid the weapons of his war- 
fare are but hickory fLils. I suppose the 
Beebeism he alluded to, was the Primitive. 
faith and practice so earnestly contended 
for by bro. Dcebe and his correspondents. 



David, the son of Jesse, was called from j my gospel net; and they that were called 
following his father's sheep in the wilder- ! immediately left all and followed him. 
n> -•. anil anoinied king of Israel. Amosj How different this, from the course pursu- 
■fWls among the herdmen of Tekoa. That led by the pious (as (hey please to calt 
*ai red penman informs us that he was no , them) young missionaries. The former 
prophet, nor a prophet's son; but was a -straightway left all and followed him, the 
herdman and a gatherer of sycamore fruit, latter in substance say r , stop. Lord. I must 
It ; may not be amiss to inform my readers, ! first go .to school, study divinity Greek 
that this fruit partakes of the properties and Latin, and come out of t he seminary & 
both of the fig and mulberry, grew Lo an i polished scholar, with letters of recommen- 
enormous size, yielded fruit it is said) ev-!dation from my professors; then so to a 

«py month in the year, w; ( s<'ver green, &c. 

The Egyptians seemed to he very fond of 

this fruit. We find in 1 Chron. xxvii. 28, 

that the Jews prized it very higlv; this tree! 

abounded in Palestine. 1 Kings, x. 27 

The fruit is about the size of a fig. So it ! to Christianity. 

is clear that, the prophet Amos made his| Yes, my brethren, let one of these 

livelihood by gathering sycamore fruit. &c ! school men-made preachers mount the 

<&c; thus was following an humble calling;. ! stand and he will deliver you a mrss of 

Such an occupation would be beneath the 1 stuff smooth as oil, dressed out in the fine 

mission board, who will fix my salary and 
appoint the field of my labors. Then, 
Lord, I will be ready to go and preach and 
convert sinners; and give me money e- 
noujih, &c. I will convert the whole world 

self-exalted dignity of the high-blooded 
missionaries. Remember the text: Not 
many svi&e men alter the flesh, not many- 
mighty, not many noble are called; hut 
God hath chosen the foolish things of the 
woild, and things (men) which are despi 
sed hath God chosen, yea and things which 
are not, to bring to nought things that are, 
thai no flesh should glory in his presence. 

We will now come to the gospel dispen- 
sation, and prove from the New Testament 
that, not many wise, mighty, and noble' 
men after the flesh were called. No, sir, 
they were poor men in pursuance of hum- 
ble and honest occupations. For proof I 
cite you to Matt. iv. IS; And Jesus, walk- 
ing by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, 
Simon called Peter, and Andrew his hro- 
thei. casting a net into the sea: for they 
were fishers. 1.9th verse: And he saiih 
unto them, Follow me, and I will make 
you fisheis of men. 20th. And they 
straightway left their nets, and followed 
him. 21st. And going on from thence, he 
£aw other two brethren, James the son of 
JZebedte, and John his brother, in a ship 
with Zebedee their father, mending their 
nets: and he called them. 22. And they 
immediately left the ship, and their father, 
and followed him. 

Now, brother Bennett, a one-eyed man 
can see the contrast that is existing between 
those apostolic Baptists and the new-light 
mission men of our day. The blessed Je- 
sus saith unto them, follow me, and I will 
make you to become Ushers of men. That 
is, you shall be my fishers, chosen by me 

style of eloquence, made as slick as an ot- 
ter skin; but after all his smoothing and 
polishing it over, it is nothing but a mess 
of wild gourds, or cold husky dumplings, 
which is not pleasant lo the eye nor palata- 
ble to the Christian taste. 1 never loved 
cold dumplings, in my life. 

Old Paul was a tent-maker; when called 
to minister about holy things, he conferred 
not with flesh and blood, but straightway 
preached Jesus the resurrection and the- 
iife, Christ crucified, unto the (unbelieving) 
Jews a stumbling block, and unto the (un- 
converted) Greeks foolishness; but unto 
them which are called, both Jews and 
Greeks, Christ the power of God and the 
wisdom of God. 

Grace be unto you, and peace be multi- 
plied. The love of God, together vvith the 
indwelling of the Holy Spirit, be and re- 
main with you and all the Israel of God, 
alway even tc the end of the world, Amen,. 

Yours in the bonds of full fellowship. 


Lowndes county, Alabama, } 
November 9th, 1838. > 
Brother Bennett: I am requested to 
send on for two more numbers of the Pri- 
mitive Baptist. 

Dear brother, 1 have nothing of impor- 
tance to write, only 1 believe your little 
paper is doing a great deal of good in Ala- 
bama, and I think ere long the sheep will 

to fish for me, and you shall caich men in come cut of Babylon. So I conclude by 



Iiraying God (o protect you in all your law- 
ul pursuits in life. 

Yours respeci fully. 

john McQueen, 


Georgia, Stetva^t county, 
December 2, 1838. 

Dear brother Bennett : I enclose 
you a few lines informing you, that we are 
in some confusion here. We have fared 
«o worse, however, than our brethren in 
other sections, We have doctrine occa- 
sionally preached that I do not believe ac- 
cords with the word, though it has been 
borne; the institutions of the day some- 
times held up, and the opposers to them ra- 
ther bore down. This would cause some 
complaint, God must now be powerfully 
called on to do away schisms and divisions. 
The dose soon repeated, which calls for an- 
other big prayer. In this way we have 
passed a few months. 

On Friday before the 3d Sunday in Oc- 
tober iast our Association begun, namely, 
the Bethel Association. The institutions 
had caused so many churches to withdraw, 
ihat it left the Old Side in the minority. 
The majority went into a full correspon- 
dence with the trash of the day. We were j 
in considerable confusion at the close. Our 
pastor went home, living at a distance. 
There was preaching appointed next day. ! 
I went. Without leave of the church and 
in the absence of the pastor the church door 
was opened; though we had an •rclained i 
institulionist preacher in our church, yet j 
good order and discipline had taken leave 
of the church. My heart ached, though I 
said nothing. The meeting continued 
eight or nine clays. 1 believe there were ; 
some good Christiana joined. 

At our next conference a move and sec- 
ond were made to withdraw from the As- 
sociation, to get rid of these things. It 
was strongly opposed, arguing that there 
was no need of fellowship for a correnpon- 
dence. The reader can judge of such dis- : 
cipline. We contended it was church and | 
world combined together, and we only ; 
wanted to obey God. Be ye not unequal- I 
ly yoked together with unbelievers. 2 
Cor. G. 14. 1 7th verse: Wherefore come 
out from among them and be ye separate, j 
saith (he Lord. Again; I beseech you, j 
brethren, mark them which cause divisions i 
and offences contrary to the doctrine j 
tyhich ye have learned, and avoid them. I 

Rom. 16. 17. And that we did believe all 
the schisms and divisions among the Bap- 
tists had come through the friends of the 
institutions. But if they would prove 
their stand by the scriptures, that Jesus 
Christ and his apostles ever taught their 
dsrciples these things, we would go with 
them heart and hand; if not, we did not 
move. This I think to be the most poi- 
sonous doctrine to some, I ever heard held 
up in Richland meeting house. 

Now the vote must be taken. A great 
yell now breaks loose. 0, the church will 
be bursred. If you will let alone the 
missionaries they will never hurt you. 
These people as welfknew that it was by 
them and through them that the .church 
was to divide, as they knew twice two 
makes four. And by young members not 
understanding, and a few from other chur- 
ches Toting, they had the majority. They 
said there they would stay and die. Tho J 
I thought I was a good half soldier, at this 
I run, choosing to contend mors for the 
faith than for the house. If one-third of 
the church remains, J shall be disappoint- 

These things are truly discouraging, but, 
I can look back about nine years when f 
had been 3 Baptist about four months in 
the up country, when these people would 
tell me the time would come when no man 
could get any post of honor or profit that 
opposed the institutions. Fuither, that no 
man could preach without he was well leaiv 
tied. This great man must come and 
preach on the foreign mission, one on the 
home mission, one on temperance; one 
must be appropriate for a collection, and 
the true gospel laid by. I thought the old 
original Baptist doctrine would be put 
down, which rendered me unhappy for a 
length of time. I had five litlie children, I 
thought if ever they grew up they never 
were to hear the true gospel. This would 
cut me to the very heart. 

Just as I gave all up, these words appear- 
ed to be plainly spoken to me: The ran- 
somed of the Lord shall return and come to 
Zion, with songs and everlasting joy. Isai- 
ah, 35. 10. I yet believe God will reserve 
a people in every age, that, never will bow 
to these things. Some wonder at so many 
departing from the faith — what says God 
in this case? Now the Spirit speaketh ex- 
pressly, that in the latter times some shall 
depart from the faith, giving heed to sedu- 
cing spirits and doctrines of devils. 1 Tim, 
4, 1. 



And now, brethren, among nil the ron- J with you, to dispose of as you think Host. 
Is nM the word I know they are awkward like the writer. 

fusion there is some joy 
of that God thnfc cannot lie fulfilling? Did 
not the apostles foresee ih^se things urn) 
write of them? There be some that trouble 
you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ; 
but though we, or an angel from heaven, 
pn"«ch any oiher gospel unto you fh»ri that 
which we hav^i preached unto you, let him 
be accursed. Gal. 1. 7 and 8. Did they 

May the Lord bless you, and help you t<* 
contend forihe faith once delivered to the 
sai nts. ROB ER T B URK 


Pittsylvania, Va. Dec 30, 1838. 
Dear brethren: I have not much to 
not tell them, that of themselves nonie I say lo you. but by the kind permission of 
would arise, speaking perverse things, to God I am blessed with the privilege of let- 
draw away disciples after them? Did they ting \ou hear Irom me on the subject of re- 
not tell them, that the time would come ligion; which subject I think more of than 
that they would not endure sound doctrine, any other that I ever tho't on, and that is th®- 
but >itt- r their own lust? should heap to | only reason 1 believe that causes me to ex- 

themselves teachers having itching cars, 

and would be joined to fables. 2 Tim. 4. 3. 

Again: Beware, lest any man spoil you 

through philosophy and vain deceit, after 

pose my ignorance before the public. For* 
it is in much weakness and ignorance that 
I write, but I hope the Lord will show me 
the truth and enable me to contend for it 

the traditions of men, and not after Christ, j in a right and becoming manner, so that 1 
Col. 2. 8. Did not the apostle ask the ! those nominal professors will not find fault 

disciples why. as tlvough living in the world 
are ye subject to ordinances? touch not, 
teste not, handle not; which are all to per- 
ish with the using, after the command- 
ments »nd doctrines of men. Col. 2. 21 

with my doctrine; but will say to some of 
my friends, 1 am sorry brother Rorer wilt 
expose his ignorance before the public. 

Now I will say to these go-betweeo Bap- 
tists, that I do not believe you tell the truth 

and 22. Though these things were spoken when you say to others, that vou are sor- 
to the disciples in the apostles' day, they ! ry for me. No, I cannot believe it, for I 
have been to ever}' generation since, and j think if you was sorry for me or my igno- 

now are to us. 

Now, to my straight Primitive brethren, 
let us look to ourselves; though we may ev- 

rance, you should tell me of your sorrow 
for me first and try to convince me of my- 
error, before you go and expose me to oth- 

er so strongly believe these things nothing j ers as you have done. 1 mean the go-be- 

but the doctrine and tradition of men, yet 
hard words will not put a stop to il II is 
not by might, nor by power, but by my 
Spirit, saith the Lord of hosts. Zech. 4. 

tween Baptisls. 

Here 1 will say to you, my brethren, 
and to all that have ever seen my commu- 
nications to Ihe public, that 1 have been 

6. Let us not be toa afraid to give, lest j free to acknowledge my ignorance and my 

our preachers suffer; let us remember that 
a poor man with his time nearly all filled, 
how can he support his family? what can 
a poor woman with a parcel of little chil- 
dren do for them? This sometimes drives 
the husband lo the store for clothing. Let 

inability to write in a good style; and I 
yet believe that lam not capable to write 
in that smooth style that the Ishmaelites 
do; but 1 believe that I do write more 
sound doctrine than they all do. and I thank: 
God for it. And if God will support me. 

us not now say he can out dress us, and that I by his Spirit and direct me into his truth, 

we will not help him. If we had time and 
room there are many scriptures that could 
be collected to ptove our duty to them. I 
fear they are now afraid to preach up the 
duty of a church. I insist that they should 
leach the duty of a church to the pastor, and 
the pastor's duty to the church; the 

I fear you Ishmaelites no more than 1 do 
the bugs I walk over. So when you get 
very sorry for me, you had better try to 
show me the cause for your sorrow: and if 
you can show me the cause. I will thank 
you and try to thank God for making vou 
an instrument to convince me; and then I 
church's duty to the deacons, and theirs to i will have the same chance to convince you* 
the church. i But I believe that no man ever did con- 

I must conclude by saying, I am no ad- vince any person of their error, unless the 
yocate for a paper war, yet want to hear Lord did give the understanding; so ha 
from brethren in other sections, and for that glories, let him glory in the Lord, 
them to hear from us. These lines are] And, brethren, I believe the Lord ever 



will be with liis dear children, and will 
make them know the truth; for it is writ- 
ten, when the spirit of truth comes it will 
direct you into all truth. Then it cannot 
be the spirit of truth that directs the peo- 
ple to contend for the traditions of men, 
such as sprinkling children and hiring 
priests, and buying memberships in men- 
made societies. No, there are no such! 
commands in the word of truth; so it is not 
of the truth. But we, the Apostolic Bap- 
tists have none such among us, so we live 
in peace with each other and do not talk 
about our brethren and tell others of their 
ignorance before we tell them of it. And 
when we tell them the truth, and they can- 
not or will not believe it, then we have a 
right to tell our friends of it. And if I 
have a friend and he sees a fault in me, and 
goes and tells others of it and does not tell 
me of it, I do not think he is my friend 
and I know he has not done like a brother 
ought to do. 

But there is much talk of a division in 
the Roanoke District, which I hope will 
take place in August at their Association. 
And I will say to the Old School Baptists, 
come out from them and do not let them 
have the honor of leaving you, as some 
have done, as I am informed; and will say 
to the Baptists that have heen trying to 
keep them together, your arm is too short 
or too weak, and after all you have said to 
the Old School for them, you are so mean 
they cannot stand you, so they mqst 
leave you,. So you had better cast them 
out and they will bo out, and cannot come 
back; for you know, my friends, that when 
the evil spirit went out of the man he 
walked through dry places seeking rest and 
found none; so he went back. And the 
reason why he could go back was, because 
he went out himself so he had a right to go 
back; but you never heard of one's being 
cast out that ever got back. So, brethren, 
past them out forever. Farewell. 

As ever, your brother, 



Rockingham county, N. C. > 
December 13th, 183S. $ 
Bear brother in the Lord: I am 
favored agajn with the opportunity of wri- 
ting you a few lines of correspondence, in 
my weak and imperfect way. I hope you 
will bear with me, in my manner of ad- 
dress to you. 1 send you this to let you 

know that the subscribers are generally 
pleased with your paper; (he brethren and 
some of the world are well pleased with it. 
As for myself, I can say that it has been a 
source of great satisfaction; it corresponds 
with my experience and defends that cause 
I think of and wish to speak so much 
about; but 0, my weakness and my lean- 
ness! I am shut up that I cannot come 
forth; but I think I love that cause as well 
now as when I first believed. 

I must come to a close and not worry 
you with my weakness. 




Ali letters relating to this paper, as well as com- 
munications, should be addressed to "Editors 
Primitive Baptist, Tarborongh, N, C." 



To the Old School Baptists throughout 
the United States. 

Dear and beloved brethuen : Per- 
mit me as an old man to address you in 
perhaps this my last writing, for life is un- 
certain. For I sh;dl soon depart, I expect, 
to give an account of my stewardship to 
that God that has called me to feed his 
household in due season, 

For years from the introduction of mis- 
sions into the Kehukee Association, I 
stood opposed to the moneyed plan; my 
heart could not, with all the arguments of 
the most highly esteemed brethren, go in- 
to it; but would revolt against it and say, 
this is not God's' plan according to the New 
Testament, if I am a judge of what 1 read. 
But still I said not much, for I was more 
and more convinced by the reddening of 
the facts of my brethren in contention on 
that subject from time to time, that any 
thing that, broke the peace of my dear. 
brethren could not be of God; since God is. 
not the author of confusion but of peace, as, 
in all the churches of the saints. Then, 
after much deliberation on that subject, 
from all the missionists said and wrote, and 
scripture, these thoughts fell powerfully 
on my mind: If missions be of God, I as a 
preacher ought to do all I can to support it. 
This I said, it is true; but then these tho'ts 
followed: But it is not of God according tfl 



ihe Bool?, I know, or I do not understand 
the English language. And further tho'ts 
followed: God cannot convert sinners and 
bring them in pence, union, love and fel- 
lowship, which is ihe effect of his Spirit's 
work on their hearts, and then send thai 
among them that shall destroy his own 
work, and produce strife, division, disuni- 
on, non-fellowship, contempt, surmising, 
backbiting, slander, reproach, shyness, par- 
ty spirit, and high contention among breth- 
ren to their grief and distress, in churches 
and Associations. For, said I, I do know 
these are spirits of devilish old nature, and 
not the fruits of God's Spirit that he dis- 
tils inio the heart of saints, to love one an 
other at conversion, my heart and the Book 
being judge. To this mutter I cannot give 
my aid to the devil to break the peace, 
union and love of God's dear children, 
which I know God has by his Spirit's work 
put in their hearts which they never had 
before, nor would have had love to their 
brethren had he not put it there: For by 
this shall all men know ye are my disci- 
ples, if ye have love one to another — And 
we know we have passed from death to 
life, because we love the brethren, 

I would ask you here, my brethren, have 
pot missions and the new schemes of the 
day destroyed this brotherly' love between 
the parties? You know from your own 
feelings it has in a great degree. How 
then can missions be of God, to destroy 
his own Spirit's woik on the heart of the 
saints, which is their best feelings? For 
the best feeling a saint ever felt is, when 
he feels love to God and Christ; and next 
to it is his feeling love to his brethren, and 
while he gives them his hand in fellow- 
ship he feeis his heart go out to them in 
love. This is my religion, brethren, and 
I hope you all know it well and can attest 
the same; and that the saints of God are the 
most precious companions on earth in love, 
union and peace. Then just let me ask you 
how missions &. the new schemes of the dav 
can be of God, that have had and now have 
such a fatal tendency to destroy the iove, 
the peace, and union, and happiness of 
God's dear children, and his Spirit's work 
on their heart, to make his children of one 
heart and one soul, in love, union and full 
fellowship? If all the devils in hell, and 
all the missionaries on earth were to swear 
it, on a stack of Bibles that wpuld pile up to 
the meridian sun, I would not believe it to 
be truth from the Book, nor my own Chris 
tian feelings. TJicse bear witness togeth- 

er, and in their mouth is every word esta- 
blished in my opinion, that missions is the 
invention of men, a plan of priestcraft, a 
spirit of intrigue and covetousness, and 
contrary to the book, and a destroyer of 
brotherly love. This was my opinion afr 
ter many years observation, and every step 
they have advanced has but the more con- 
firmed me in the correctness of my opinion, 
that it is but another popish speculation, 
another crusade against the heathen to take 
ihe city of Jerusalem for wealth and plun- 
der, or gain by godliness, or to make mer- 
chandize of the saints, to (ill the pockets of 
proud priests; for some of them rather beg 
than work, yet I have never seen one that 
said, enough, enough. 

Under convictions of this kind, when I 
did not know there was a man in the whole 
world that thought as I did, I commenced 
writing my first piece called the Clodhop- 
per, then the Declaration — then by the 
committee of arrangements in Tarborougb, 
was called on to deliver a patriotic dis- 
course in Tarborougb on the 4th of July, 
and did s<) with no more thought of its be- 
ing printed, than I now have of swallow- 
ing the moon; and to the gentlemen of 
Tarborougb and the publisher I stand in- 
debted for its publication. Then the 
North Carolina Whig, in answer to Nehe- 
miah of Georgia; then the Basket of Frag* 
ment, for the Children, at the expense of 
the publisher and James S. and Joseph S. 

My brethren, I have been urged on until 
now by my own spirit, God, or the devil; 
and as I have advanced 1 am the more and 
more confirmed that missions is priestcraft, 
to the full sense of that. word. But I yet 
have never made, nor attempted to make, 
the first cent by my writings, nor do I de- 
sire it; but have sunk hundreds, yet count 
it only as a duty I owe the church of God 
and the rising generation so to do. Some 
have signified in their letters that they 
want all my writings, and should the breth- 
ren in the different States desire all my 
writings in one volume, perhaps the pub- 
lisher, by a sufficient number of subscri- 
bers, might gratify them, since he has a 
copy of them all in his possession. Nought 
I ask, in gold or applause, from him or 

The start of the Primitive Baptist peri- 
odical was thus brought about. Brother 
William Mosely, of Georgia, wrote to me 
if I would go to Georgia and be editor of 
such a paper, he would insure 2000 sub- 



scribers at $2 each. I wrote him I could 
not come, hut would put such a paper on 
foot in Tarborough, if 'he Georgia breth- 
ren would assist in supporting it; that it 
would only cost them a little more postage, 
and .hit was all the difference between its 
being there or here. And we feel thank- 
ful, and it is but just to say, the Georgia 
brethren have faithfully and constantly sur- 
passed our most sanguine expectations, as 
well as the brethren from other States, in 
tin* paper's support. Thus the honor of 
the start of this paper, belongs to Elder 
William Moselcy, of Georgia; may he and 
it flourish as cedars of Lebanon. Because 
uniil the establishing of this paper the mis 
gionaries calumniated the most worthy of 
our ministers, our members, churches and 
Associations, and cast their envy and ven- 
om as the poison of fiery serpents in the 
camps of God's Israel, without regard to 
station or age, on par most worthy brethren 
in North and South Carolina, Georgia, and 
other States; and they had no chance to de- 
fend themselves against such base calumny 
unprovoked, at the hands ofsuch fiery 

But now this paper is a weapon of self- 
defence to any Association, church, minis- 
ter, or private member, of the Old School 
order throughout the whole United States, 
to whom its columns are open for what they 
ean say, putting their names to it, against 
all the gab of the Whole missionary 
clan, from Baffin's Bay to Cape Horn. 
And it is well known, that lies uncontra- 
dicted pass often with men for truth; here 
you can contradict, if you choose, or give 
your views of missions and any of the new 
pchemes of the day, or doctrine of the gos- 
pel; but no controversy between Old 
School brethren will be admitted. 

In the next place, my brethren, this pa- 
per is to me valuable as a medium of cor- 
respondence with my Old School brethren 
throughout ihe Stales. In it I see their 
views of doctrine, discipline, ordinances, 
missions, and hear what is going on abroad 
in the States among the churches, &c. And 
when 1 reflect and compare the present 
time with the time 1 thought I stood all 
alone, when 1 commenced writing; I often 
then thought of poor old Elijah: Lord, 
they have digged down thy altars, and I 
am left alone, and ihey seek my life— ?lhe 
missionaries have perverted thy laws, sown 
distress and division among thy churches, 
and now because I oppose them, I am the 
mark and target for all their arrows of re- 

proach and calumny, from pulpit and press, 
at whom they point the finger of scorn and 
make a wide mouth. But this text used to 
comfort me: I have surely seen the afflic- 
tions of my people which are in Ee;ypt t 
and have heard their cry.&c. and am come 
down to deliver them. Come now, there, 
fore, and I will send thee. Exodus, 7. 7, 
3, 9. Could I have then known that I 
had so manv brethren that thought about 
missions as I did, how these seven thou- 
sand reserved ones would have embolden- 
ed me, buoyed me up, and comforted my 
poor disconsolate spirit under the reproa- 
ches of those unfeeling rough-shod mis- 
sionaries- that rode roujih-shod over my al- 
ready wounded spirit, as if I had been a 
dead dog. God forgive them! Some of 
thorn have gone to their long homes disgra- 
ce'!, some of them are yet alive disgraced. 
Pray God for me, brethren, thai I may be 
kept by the power of God. or else I know 
self, men, flesh, devil, church, nor world, 
cannot keep me. Therefore, dear breth- 
ren. I do humbly hope you will continue 
as you have done to support tbi*p a P er > if it 
is only to defend ourselves, and as a means 
of hearing from one another in the differ- 
ent Stales; besides many other reasons I 
could assign. 

I am sorry, very sorry, that our Editor, 
brother Mark Bennett, has been under the 
necessity of leaving that department; hut 
his situation required it at his hands. He 
lives fourteen miles from the press, and 
his family concerns demand his attention, 
all men that are farmers know; and that he 
can attend to both is out of the ques* 
tion, without a remuneration from the edi- 
torial department to supply the loss of his 
attention to his farm. For his sacrifices 
already have been great to support the pa- 
per, and perhaps more than any brother 
could have asked for, or had a right to ex- 
pect. I justify, fully justify the course he 
has taken, to resign the editorial departs 
ment and take care for himself and family. 
In addition to this, dear brethren and 
patrons of the Primitive Baptist, I will 
say, so far as I know and that is somewhat, 
Dial the publisher by paying for paper, 
pos'age, loss of money, loss of exchange, 
failures, movers, and never gets, if it was 
not for the revenue of his daily labor his 
pockets would be empty as from the in- 
comes of this paper. We have therefore 
concluded to make all the Old School 
brethren editors, not knowing how you 
will like it, rather than the paper should 



cense; and we know of no other man near as 
convenient as brother Bennett that we can 
get, and we justify him in what he has 

And I cannot as yet see, why Ihe Old 
School brethren and patrons of this paper 
cannot get along in this way as well as the 
other, save only that of Old School doc- 
trine;, and that has been so abundantly es- 
tablished by this paper, the Signs of the 
Times, and others, as well as ihe Ports- 
mouth, Kehukee, and Charleston Associa- 
tions, that it is only saying the same things 
over again; and perhaps no belter than has 
already been said, by our ancient worthies 
of past days. 

Then w-e wish it understood that any 
Old School member, or minister, or church, 
qr Association, that is any ways calumnia^ 
ted or aggrieved by any missionist, that 
our columns are open for their defence, put- 
ting their name to it, from Dan to Beershe^ 
ba. And further, we wish it understood, 
that any Old School brother has ihe liber- 
ty to write his thoughts on missions and all 
the new schemes of the day, and doctrine 
and ordinances and discipline of churches; 
but not in a way of controversy with any 
Old School brother, who may have writ- 
ten on it before; for in these three last the 
Old School brethren agree in the main 
throughout the Slates. And as to contro- 
versy about abstruse points, it only genders 
strife and contention. Our columns are 
open for the above, writers putting their 
names to it. 

And further, we wish it understood by 
our Old School brethren, that any Old 
School brother is at liberty to make his re- 
marks or strictures on the sentiments or 
writings of missionists, putting his name to 
it. And further, we invite the pen of Old 
School brethren for all the information 
from all the Slates in the Union, concern- 
ing the strife and division that the new 
schemes of the day are making in any 
church or Association to their knowledge. 
Circular Letters of Associations, &c.&c. wiij 
be attended to. Ail letters post paid, or else 
the burden will fall too heavy on the 

Let us then, my dear Old School breth- 
ren, and all that wish well to their cause, 
and all the patrons heretofore of this paper, 
try this plan to sustain it, as a battery of 
defence, as a medium of correspondence, as 
getting acquainted with each other's views, 
as contending for God's truth, as a winged 
messenger bearing fresh news to each oth- 

er, as a fountain opened descending inlo so 
many rivulets by the pens of our brethren, 
to water the church of God with the waters 
of consolation and fresh comfort; and to 
hear, like old Elijah from the mouth of 
God, that there are yet a reserved seven 
thousand that will not bow down to the 
modern Baal of missions, nor kiss his silver 
lips. As maintaining the war against anti-> 
christ and all her moneyed hireling priest- 
hood, as good soldiers of Jesus Christ, bear- 
ing the cross, suffering persecution, loss 
and reproach, for his name sake; which is 
to them an evident token of perdiiion, but> 
to us of salvation, and that of God. 

For the advantages, dear brethren, above- 
and many more that might be named, I feel 
unwilling for ihe Primitive to cease, allbo' 
we have no one individual for editor; yet 
let us all be editors for ourselves and see 
how we can get along on this plan. I do 
not say this with fear that the Primitive 
Baptist will not be supported by you or its 
patrons, for our subscription list is greatly 
on the increase continually; but thinking 
that any of you might believe because we 
had co individual for editor, we could not 
get along with the Primitive Baptist, try 
the experiment for one year or more, one 
dollar will not ruin you; for the Old School 
Baptists are able, well able, to support ten 
such papers if they choose in the United 
States; although the proud missionisis call 
them ignorant, fools, covetous, drunkards, 
want of sense, do nothings, &c. &c. And 
all this because the Old School Baptists 
have too much good sense to be shaved by 
such a gang of religious merchants, who 
wish to vendue off on them the offices and 
merchandize of antichrist under the color 
of benevolence, while the hireling priests 
pocket a good part of all their sales at aue- 
tion, and leave antichrist with almost an 
empty purse, to hire more hirelings to ven- 
due off her goods of societies and member- 
ships, at certain rates per membership, 
&c. &c. 

Here, my dear Old School brethren and 
patrons of the Primitive Baptist, let me ask 
you a few questions: Do you find in the 
New Testament a single hireling preacher? 
Was it Peter, John, Mark, Luke, Mat- 
thew, Paul, John the Baptist, or Jesus 
Christ, or any of the twelve apostles, or thq 
seventy disciples? Say, and say the truth 
too. No. Well then, if such hireling 
preachers are now to be found in the church 
of God, how came it to pass? Why you 
must acknowledge missions has done it. 



If so, tljcn missions has changed a free traders in memberships, ye track vender* 
preacher to a hireling preacher, and the a nd money hirelings, this is not the good 
hireling fleeth because lie is an hireling and |d way; for the good old way is: Freely 
careth not for the sheep. Then ihe hire- ve have receiver!, freely give— as every 
ling preacher goes for his wages, and not man purposes in his heart, so let him give; 
from love to the chief shepherd or his not grudgingly, bul bountifully— let "him 
sheep, and will flee from place to place for that is taught in (he word, communicate to 
Ihe best wages, whether from Washington him (hat teaches, in all good things— the la- 
(o New Orleans, or from Newhcrn horer is worthy of his meat. Then this is 
to Edentpn, or from Edenton to Ra- the good old way, freely to preach and free- 
leigh. If this he truth, that not a single ] y (o give; without begging and teazing, 
solitary hired preacher can be found in the or subscription list runners, neither of 
New Testament by name, I ask you in the w hich are to be found in the New Testa- 
name of God, why not take the boldest m ent; but have been invented and practi* 
stand in your power against the encroach- ^d by devilish, hireling priests, from the 
ments on a free gospel ministry, which is church of Rome to this day. 
God's ministry; for Jesus said: Freely ye Therefore, my dear Old School breth* 
have received, freely give. This was his rpn , S | an d f ast and be immovable, and gird 
law for the gospel ministry, and can any vou on every man his sword, and oppose 
man show from any record, grant, or stat- by conversation, purse, pulpit and press, 
lite, where he has repealed it? No, sirs. sucn hirelings and encroachments on a free 
But hireling, shearing priests have taken it gospel ministry, established by the laws of 
on themselves to change this law; but for j esus Christ for the poor, who have no mo- 
what? why to till their own lazy pockets ney , buy another gospel from these hire* 
by begging and hiring out themselves to lings. 

beg; not iu their own name, lor of this And further, dear brethren, can you find 
they are ashamed, but in the name of some SI1Pn c hurch traffic in the apostolic church- 
honorable Board, Convention, or society, eSj as that of selling memberships, life 
they can beg with tongues smoother than memberships, hired agents, hired preach- 
.oil, and throw their firebrands and shoot erSj running beggars, subscription runners, 
their arrow:; of reproach and calumny at the am \ perhaps the devil knows what all, for 
Old School Baptists; because they will not ] ,|o not . Come up to the rack, say, are. 
fill their broadcloth and velvet pockets full, these things by warrant of the New Testa- 
thai they may get a larger portion in shear- j ment) or not? Why, you are forced to 
jng ume. j ggy^ no . tne y were never instituted by Je- 

But methioks I hear one say, times are sus Christ in his nor the apostles days to 
very different now from what they were in support the gospel ministry. Why then, 
the apostles day. Now we need money if not of Christ oppose them with all your 
to send the gospel to the heathen, and to m ight and soul, as innovations in the 
send it to destitute places; and the law of c hurch of God and derogatory to his laws, 
Christ would do for that age of the church, f rom peil( parse , pulpit and press. Do not 
but not for this age of great things, great be found wanting in your opppsition, if 
plans, great schemes, great benevolence, you believe these things are not in the 
and conversion of the whole world. What Book; for ihe Book is the guide of the 
vanity! Vou might just as well tell me, church of God with the agency of the Spi- 
that the all-wise Jesus was a fool to make r ft of God and his ministry. Then vou 
such a law as to establish a free and not a have only to see by the Book, whether 
hireling ministry in the world. I would this hireling ministry and sales of member- 
lake it just' the same at your hands. He s hj ps agree with the Book or not— Tekel. 
being God and all-wise in the past, the pre- j To sav nothing of presidents, vice pre- 
sent, and to come, could not be mistaken ' s ; c ients," corresponding secretaries, audi- 
in making a law for the gospel ministry, t nrs, &c. &ff. titles borrowed from the 
suitable to the present and future, for all wor ] t i f mankind, with directors and di- 
generations, all nations, and all circum- 'redresses, all of the devil's and men's ma- 
stances. The poor have the gospel preach- |jj n g an( i bringing into the church of God; 
ed to them— ourselves your servants for no t one of which titles is to be found in an 
Jesus' sake — and not for money sake. Ye apostolic church nor the great and good 
hirelings, ye beggars, ye agents, ye sea- Book, you well know; but is the length 
gcourers, yc Boards, ye conyentionists, ye j f the foot of antichrist to a hair's breadth, 



fpom the title of archbishop throng;' 1 a " *' je 
grades of popery even to the nun and friar 
Then whosoever is on the Lord's side gird 
on his sword of truth, and slay every man 
his brother missionary'; for the. have 
brought these abominations into the church 
of God, to her grief, division and distress, 
and troubled, greatly troubled, the Baptist 
Gamp of Israel ;■ having no warrant from the 
Book fox these above things. 

Then, brethren, cast out the whole house- 
hold sitiflfof Tobiah, and drive such money 
changers out of your churches with the 
small cords of the Book and church disci- 
pline. For I tell you that, sooner or later, 
every Baptist church in the Union has to 
he purged from such men; and like a bar- 
rel of cider each church will ferment until 
this filth is spewed off and then they will 
settle down in peace, and not until then. 
For Old School principles are calculated to 
give peace to the churches, by them our 
forefathers lived in peace, union and love 
for half a century, until this devil of mis- 
sions got in among us and broke our peace. 
Therefore, if any church wants to get 
peace and union again, I tell such a church 
you must get back to Old School princi- 
ples. This I plainly saw, when I wrote 
the Declaration, to give the churches of 
the Kehukee Association peace. For 1 
reasoned thus: If the Kehukee Association 
has been in peace for fifty years on certain 
principles, them same principles will still 
give her peace again. And thus I framed 
the Declaration in such a manner as to 
throw missions overboard; and when done, 
peace has followed ever since to the chur- 
ches. And it is a truth, so far as my in- 
formation goes and that is not a little, that 
the greater part of the Baptist churches 
now claimed and called missionary chur- 
ches are divided, part Oid School and part 
New School; and that New School leaders 
oppress them, or in other words, they are 
distressed by missionists and the new 
schemes of the day, and do not know hard- 
ly what to do. They hate to be excom- 
municated, they hate to leave the church, 
and so cripple along every man with his 
burden and heart full of distress. Thus 
they bear up and bear along, as I did for fif- 
teen years, not knowing what to do. 

Hear, ye children of God; hear, ye op- 
pressed and distressed Old School breth- 
ren, what the Primitive says to you: 
Be separate; trust your God, as 1 did; tear 
not; break their yoke, and Christ shall 

make his easy afterwards to your neck;- 
for I know how they burdened me. Form 
yourselves into a church on Old School 
principles, and pence will ensue to your 
hearts. But you will say, our preacher is 
a missionary. So let him he, if he wants' 
to be; and you claim the same libertv to' 
be what you want to be. God will pro- 
vide, for God will be on your side, take 
my word for it, if you will. And if God 
be for you, uho can be against you. All 
the powers of hell and missionaries are no 
more than a gnat on a bull's horn. I have 
seen the afflictions of my people, come 
now, then-fore, and I will send thee. 
Thus in this piece I come to the Old School 
Baptists, who are afflicted by missions and 
the new schemes of the day; which is a 
sore affliction I know to you, if you do not 
believe ifi missions. I say arise and break 
your grievous chains and be free, and fight 
for God and his truth; for missions is a 
moneyed, lying spirit, a plan of priest- 
craft. For you know the priests formed 
the plan of missions, and not Jesus Christ, 
both in England and this country; and if 
denied, I can prove it to their teeth. And 
in it the priests have taken the pope for 
their patron, and not Jesus Christ, nop 
thus sailh the Lord; and now contend for 
missions to get grist to their mill to fill their 
empty pockets, by duping beggars on the 
public mind, by good words and fair 
speeches deceive the hearts of the simple, 
and make gain by their form of (mission) 

And I do not pretend to deny, but thaS 
there are some worthy missionaries who 
act as they think from the purest motives 
in what they do, to aid the new schemes of 
the day conscientiously. Yet as you keep 
bad company you must bear your share of 
the reproach., that missions is unscriptu- 
ral and the invention of men in its origin; 
and a plan of priestcraft to make merchan- 
dize of the s:iinls, and fill the pockets of 
hireling priesisat one dollar per day, or for- 
ty dollars per month, &.c. &c. and impose 
their craft on the public for gain by their 
trade of begging, an hireling's office not 
found in the good Book. 

And now, dear brethren, try this expe- 
riment one year; and in the close, I hope 
you will not be able to say, your dollar is 
thrown away. Even although it was for 
the information you will obtain from dif- 
ferent States, how the Old School cause is 
going on. And as to what missionists may 
say of our doctrine, or c-ause> or course we? 



have taken in so doing, you or any of you j 
can answer (hem if you see cause to do so; 
but as for myself, I regard no more what | 
thev may or can say, than that of so many 
persecutors of the truth, or barking dogs 
to alarm the householders to open the door 
to get iu the house to lie hefore the fire 
and pick up the scraps. Some such dogs 
I have- owned and seen. Beware of dosjs, 
is the caution of the grdat man Paul; and 
without the ci'~y are dogs mid sorcerers — 
lookout But remember, i> is sneaking I 
dogs that bite; barking dogs seldom bite, I 
only alarm the saints of God to get the 
Scraps — money. Give them money, and 
tha' will quiet every dog from Jowlcr to 
T.owser; but remember, money has always 
from the y?ar 323 after Christ, supported 
the religion of the devil and antichrist to 
war against the church of God. But love 
is the support of the religion of Jesus 
Christ, both iti die ministry and saints of 
God. This I set down as truth, and sub- 
scribe to as truth, from the New Testament 
and history of ages of persecution that the 
church has passed through, and is now 
passing through from missionists. 

Since wailing the above, I have receiv- 
ed information from different sources that 
some of the Old School Baptists have de- 
clined taking the Primitive Baptist, be- 
cause the former editor had taken bis fare- 
well, and we had no individual that was a 
Baptist as an editor to supply his place. I I 
had anticipated, you will see in these I 
sheets, the thing before! his information ar- 
rived. However, we neither ask, nor 
fyish to compel any Old School Baptist, or ' 
any of its patrons to take it longer than . 
they see cause so to do with a free will, as j 
all men's purses belong to themselves to 
dispose of as they choose to do. Yet I, 
Joshua Lawrence, will say, that al- 
though I care no more what the missionists 
mav say of me than that of the croaking of 
bo many frogs in a pond, yet I say the Old 
School Baptists will repent it to let the 
Primitive Baptist go down, when perhaps 
too late. Think for yourselves, and so 
shall I; hut this I know to be a fact, that | 
most of the Old School Baptists are a close- 
fisled and covetous set, or else they would 
not have treated their ministers as they 
have done for sixty years. This is my 
living testimony, whether I shall leave a 
dying one or not, I know not nor care not. 
I will tell the truth on all sides. For if 
you saw a piece of plank not to the scribe 
OO the left hand, jt will make as bad a 

joint as going over the scribe to the rtghi; 
hand. He that can understand, let him 
understand. I am for the scribe to a hair's 
breadth by the Book, that is the way to i\6 
things both in mechanism and religion, 
then all is righu For Old School breth- 
ren lack as much in coming to the scribe 
on the one hand, as the New School go 
over it on the other. For the Old School 
do not come up to the Scribe of God's com' 
mands in support of their ministry, and 
tne New School go over Ihe scribe of 
God's commands, and teach the inventions 
and traditions of men to get money, that 
God never commanded, to support their 
ministry and fleece the saints beyond the 1 
scribe. And thus there is no joint be- 
tween the two, but a large hole for crick- 
ets, spiders, and stinging wasps. He that 
can receive it, let him receive it. 

For I suppose I was born with as much 
truth as other folks, and the missionaries 
say I tell lids on them; then of course if I 
have made but little use of truth, 1 ought 
to have a good stock on hand, and can now 
tell ihe truth on both sides of the* parties. 
He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. 
For I go for the truth, and not for money. 
And before you speak your sentiments on 
this piece, 1 wish you to remember I am 
too old for praise or dispraise to have much 
effect on me; for I have long since learnt 
to endure persecution without resentment, 
prejudice, or ariger. For to make a profit- 
able business by horso swopping, or mer- 
chandizing, or being a lawyer, a man must 
beiie his conscience in man', things, to 
gain by good words and fair speeches his 
fraudulent end — money. Even so, lying, 
guile, good words and fair speeches are the 
tools missionaries work with to gain their 1 
fraudulent end — money. Take all in good 
part. Farewell. 


Cathey^s Creek, No. Carolina, > 
January 1st, 1839. } 
Brother Editors: I have received your 
papers, and am well pleased to see and 
know, that so many good brethren are wri- 
ting in the cause of the Primitive Baptists; 
and 1 hope they will be a means of unmask- 
ing error, of bringing truth to light, and of 
setting the wrong set minds right; and 
bringing the Baptists to be a united people, 
and of tearing up the root of perdition. 

Some of the brethren in this section of 
coiuilr} are well pleased with the Primitive 
Baptist news. So no more at present^ but 


remain a iriend to the cause. Yours in 
bonds of love until death. 


Halifax county, Virginia,"} 
December 29 1 h, IS3S. 5 
Brother Editors: I have heen read- 
ing; the Primitive Baptist, and am well 
pleased with its contents in hearing from 
brethren in various parts of the country, 
contending for the faith once delivered to 
ihe saints. Your paper is not much known 
in this part of God'a vineyard. My wish 
is for it to circulate more in our country, 
that the New Fashioned Baptists may see 
that the Lord has his host in the field of 


Georgia, Troup county, 
January 29th, 1839 
Dear brethren: As I wish to hear 
from you as often as I can, I have conclu- 
ded to let you know something of our af- 
fairs. We have been divided for several 
years in this State, but for one or two years 
past we have been separating; and now, I 
think, the separation is nearly over. At 
least, we have Old School Baptist churches 
and Associations enough for us to meet to- 
gether in peace and union, and have social 
conversation one with the other, and broth- 
erly love seems to abound amongst us. 
But we have but small ingatherings into our 
churches, hut this does not discourage me, 
although our missionary friends are gather- 
ing in at their protracted meetings large 
numbers, (such as the} 7 are ) I still believe 
when the Lord bids us to shout, we shall 
shout. Brethren, pray for us. And may 
the God of all grace be with you all. Amen. 

tive Baptist. If you will send me one, be 
so good as to direct it to Fayette, ille, Tal- 
ladega county, Ala. 

Suffer me to subscribe myself respect- 
fully your humble serv't. 


Alabama, Talladega county, 
20th Jan'y, 1839. 
Brother Bennett: I take the liberty 
to drop you a line, and at the head have 
made free to claim the relation and use the 
appellation of brother; which 1 hope will be 
pardoned by you, if improper. I see by 
travelling through the country in the ser- 
vice of the Old Fashioned Baptist church- 
es, and trying in my poor weak way to 
dispense the word of life to the people, a 
little paper in the hands of a good many of 
nay brftfehren and friends, called the PrLmi- 

Bibb county, Ga. Feb. 19th, 1839. 
Brother Editors: I again take my 
pen to let you know some of our religious 
affairs, since we withdrew from and decla- 
red non-fellowshiji with the missionary 
schemes, or benevolent institutions, as 
some call them. We have been in peace 
in our churches, and so far as 1 know in 
our Association, viz: the Echaconne Asso- 
ciation. 1 feel glad there are some yet 
that are pleased with your paper, the Pri- 
mitive Baptist. Yours* as ever. 




North Carolina. — .1. Biggs, Sen. Williamston 
R. M. G. Moore, Germanlon. W. W. Mizell, Ply- 
mouth. Jacob Swindell, Washington, James SouV 
therland, Warrenton. Alfred Partin, Raleigh* 
Charles Mason, Roxboro''. James Wilder, An- 
derson's Store. Ben),. Bynum, Speight's Bridge. H<. 
A. vera, Averasboro\ Parham Pucket, Richlands* 
John H. Keneday, Chalk Level. Burwell Tem- 
ple, Wake county. Obadiah Sowell, Rogers' P. Q. 
Geo. W. McNeely, Lcaksvllle. David J. Mot*, 
Long Creek Bridge. Ely Holland, Smiihfield , 
Stephen Rogers, Holly Spring. James H. Sasser, 
Waynesboro . John fruit, Sandy Creek. L. B. 
Bennett, Heathville. William J. Roberts, Buffalo 
Hill, Alfred Ellis, Strabanc, Cor's Canaday, 
Carterettsville, William Welch, Abbott's Creekn 
J. Lamb, Camden C. Ht Allen Taylor, Juni 
Rocky Mount. 

South Carolina. — Wm, Hardy, Saluda WIS, 
James Hembree, Sen. Anderson C. H. Frederick 
Ross, Cambridge. B, Lawrence, Effingham* 
James Bnrris, Sen. Bold Spring. William S. 
Shaw, Rock Mills. Levi Lee, Blackville. 

Georgia. — William Mosely, Bear Creek. Edw» 
S. Duke, Fayelteville. A. Cleveland, McDonough. 
James Henderson, Montice/lo. A. B. Reid, 
Brownsville. John McKenney, Forsyth. Anthony 
Holloway, Lagrange. Patrick M. Calhoun, Knox- 
ville. J. M. Rockmore, Mountain Creek, Rowell 
Reese, Eatonton. Tho's Amis, Lexington. Jona'n 
Neel, Macon. Charles P. Hansford, Union HilU 
John W. Turner, Pleasant Hill. Joshua Bowdoin, 
Adairsville. R.Toler, Upatoie. Clark Jackson, Fort 
Gaines. John Gayden, Franklin. John S. Keith> 
Luthersville. P. H. Edwards, Georgetown. Wm. 
Trice, Thomaston. Wm. Bowden, Union Valley. 
Ezra McCrary, Warrenton. Wiley Pearce, Cairo-. 
G. W. Holiheld, Vernon. B» Pace, Clean Town. 
Lewis Peacock, Cassville. Vachal D. Whatley, 
Barnesville. Alex. Garden, Mount Morne. EliasO. 
Hawthorn, Bainbridge. J. G.W'intringham, Hallo* 
ca. Wm. M. Amos, Greenville, Randolph Arrjo^jl, 


PttllMlTlVE BAPtlSt. 

Latimer's Store. Thomas Ji Bazemore, Clinton. 
Josiah Stovall, Aquilla. G. P. Cannon, Cilloden- 
ville, Jason Greer, Indian Spring*. William 
McKlvy, Atiapulgus. Furna Ivey, Milledgevillc. 
William Garrett, Tucker** Cabin; Jesse Moore, 
Iruinton. Leonard Pratt, IVhifesvillc. Thomas 
A. Sullivan, Decatur. Thomas J. Johnson, New- 
nan,. Isrsel Hendon; 8/iilvi Robert B. Mann 
Chesnut Grove. William Tippit. Cedar Branch. 
A. G. Simmons, Hickory Grove, John Lanhoti, 
VJicnuba. Thomas O. Trice, Tlillsboro\ John 
Herington, Welbohrs Milts, John MeCorquo- 
daie, Parchiiala. James P. Ellis. PineviWc, Shu- 
mate J. Sloan, Chesnut Hill. French Haggard, 
Athens. Henry Barron, Jackson, John Murray, 
Fort Valley, Josiah Gresham, Uloy. Daniel O'- 
Noel, Fowllon. John Applewhite, Waynesboro \ 
J. B. Morgan, Friendship, 

Alabama. — L. B. Mosely, Cahawba. A. Kea- 
ton, McConico. John Black-stone, La Fayette. W. 
W. Carlisle, Fredonia. Henry Dance* Daniel's 
Prairie. Wm. W . W alker, Liberty Hill. Dan'l 
Gafford, Greenville. Samuel Moore, Snow Hill. 
John G. Walker, Jmlfori. Henry Williams, /fe- 
vuwk Samuel Clay, Mount Hebron. John F. Lo- 
V'ett, Mount Pleasant, Elias Daniel, Church Hill. 
John Bonds, Clinton, David Johnston, Lcighton. 
Joel H. Chambless, Lowsvi/le. Adam McCreary, 
Brooklyn. Josiah Jones, Jackson. David Jacks, 
New Market. Shefred W. Harris, Vienna. John 
McQueen, Graves' Ferry. William Talloy, 
Mount Morialu Gxaddy Herring 1 , Clayton. G,\V. 
Jeter, Pint Lala, Samuel Ci Johnson, Pi'.asant 
Grove. William Crutcher, Huntsvillc. M illiam 
Hi Cook, Pickcnsville. Seaborn Hamriek. Plan-- 
tersville. Eli McDonald, Paynesvilk, Mai k Por- 
ter, Demopolis. William Melton, Bluff Port. 
James Si Morgan, Dayton. Wm. Hyde, Gaines- 
ville, Rufus Daniel, Jameston, Anderson W. 
Bullard, Tusgcgcc. Frederick Hines, Gastoni "L, 
Johns, Tiara, Ei McDonald, Paimville. A. Mit- 
chell, Carter's Hill. William Powell, Youngs- 
vJUc. James Hay, Wacoocu; Silas Monk, Horse 
Shoe Bend, R. Lackey, Scraper. Jarnes F. Wat- 
son, Abbeville, 

Tennessee. — A. V. Farmer, Blair's Ferry: M. 
II. Sellers, Ten Mile. William Fatfick, Poplar 
Corner, Michael Burkhalter, Cheeksvitle Asa 
Biggs, Denmark. Tho's K. Clingan, Smith's X 
Roads. William E. Pope, Philadelphia. Aaron 
Compton, Somerville. Charles Henderson, Emery 
Iron Works. Asa Newport, Meesvil/e. James 
Maulderi, VanBuren. A .Burroughs, Tt&sley. Wm. 
Croom, Jackson. Daniel Briggs, Decatur. Clem 
mons Sanders^ Blount Vernon. Daniel Webb, 
Lexington. Slon Bass, Three Forks, John W . 
Springer, Sugar Creek. Smith Hansbrough, Jacks 
Creeki William Si Smithy Winchester. Isham 
Simmons, Calhoun. Thomas Hill, Sevierville. 
Ira E. Douthit, Lynchburg, C.T. Echols, Mifflin. 
Aaron Tison, Mcdon. Levi Kirkland, Waverly; 
Abner Steed, Fayctteville, Henry Randolph, 
Snodysvil/e, Pleasant E. Witt, Cheek , s 'A Roads, 
J i Cooper, Unionville. George Turner, Waver/y. 
Michael Branson, Long Sava?uiah. Jas. IL Hol- 
lo way, Hazel Green, 

Mississippi. — Jesse Battle, Meridian Springs. 
James D. Williams, Duilville. Worsham Mann, 
Columbus. Silas Dobbs, Brooklyn. ll«nry Pet- 
ty, Zion. William Huddleston, Thomaslon. Na- 
than Tims, Kosciusko^ 

Florida. — James Alderman, China Grove'-. Dai 
vid Calloway, Cherry Luke. 

Louisiana. — Peter Bankston, Marburwille. 

Missouri. — Calvin Newport, Springfield. 

Illinois. — Richard M. Newport, Grand Viewi 
James Marshall, Salem. Joel Ferguson, Danville. 

Indiana. — Peter Saltzman, New Harmony. \. 
saac W, Denrnan, GaWalin, Zachariah McClure- 
Terre Haute- 

Ohio. — Joseph H. Flint, Hamilton. R. A. Mor- 
ton, Fulton. John B. Moses, German/on, 

Kentucky. — Jona. H. Parker, Salem. 

Virginia.— Kemuel C. Gilbert, Sydnorsville. 
Rudolph Rorer, Berger's Store. John Clark, Fre- 
dericksburg. E. Harrison, Heningsville. Win. 
W. West, Dumfries. Joseph H. Eanes, Gotland's. 
William Burns, Halifax C, H, Georo-e W. San- 
ford, Harrisonburg. Jesse Lankford, Bowers'si 
Elijah Hansbrough, Somerville. Wilson Daven- 
port, White House. , 

Dis. CoLUMRtA. — Gilbert Beebe, Alexandria. 

Pennsylvania. — Hezekiah West, South Hill. 
Joseph Hughes, Gum Tree. Nathan Everitt, 
Chilli coats Town: 

Wisconsin Ter. — M. W. Darnall, Blue River. 


To?. Bie;e;s, Sr. 818 
Rob't Foxhall, 1 
John C. Galloway, 1 
Henry Avera, 
John McQueen-; 
Wilcv Bond, 
A. Tison, 
Caleb Nelson, 
lames Griffin, 
Wm. Tugwell, 
Mrs. F. Little, 
Ely Holland, 



James Soul herland, 7 

Cynthia Whatlcy, 
J no. Bonds, 
Nathaniel Parks, 
Benjamin Lnyd, 
E!am J. Yarboro', 
Wilson Davenport, 3 
Asa Newport, 8 

Rudolph Rorer, 1 
Simon Carson, 1 

Wm. Moseley, $5 
Asael Hedgecock, 1 
Thomas Hill, 3 

Levi Lee, 6 

Israel Hendon, 6 
Charles W.Harris, 1 
Jas. S. Battle, 1 

A. B. Bains, i 

Granberry Vick, 1 
Moses Joy ner, 1 
Alien Taylor, Jr. 5 
Jas. Hcmbree, Sr. 7 
Ant'ny Holloway, §■ 
Daniel Gi.fiTord, 2 
Clem'ns Sanders, 5 
R. S. Wimberley, 1 
Henry Barron, 5 
S. J. Sloan, 5 

Daniel O'NeeJ, 5 
James Minton, 1 
Alfred Ellis, 8 

John Gayden, 7 

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VOL. 4. 


Georgia, Monroe county, ~> 
November 23d, 1S38. 5 

Dearly beloved brother Bennett: 
In order lo stop ihe mouths of some mis- 
sion gainsay eTs concerning the acts of the 
convention of our churches, our associa- 
tions! proceedings, &c. &c. I herewith 
send you a Minute of our (the Towaliga 
Primitive Baptist Association;) which no 
douht will he interesting to the readers of 
the Primitive Baptist. Said Minute will 
give a fair sample of our proceedings, and 
will show our reasons for declaring a non- 
fellowship with the institutions of the day; 
also, our reasons for withdrawing from the 
Flint River Association^ being ready as 
much as in us is, to give an answer to eve- 
ry one that asketh, of the reasonable hope 
that is in us with meekness and fear. 

Brother Bennett, just let a man oppose 
the popular current of error, and expose 
the speculating schemes of modern priest- 
craft, and I warrant you, he will soon 
have as many enemies and lying spirits to 
combat with, as Baal had prophets, and a 
great many more. If the tongue of cal- 
umny and slander could have killed, bro- 
ther Wm, Moseley would have been dead 
long ago. 

A certain Mr. S. of Pike county, (who 
calls himself an Old Fashioned Baptist, 
but all the while is going head and horns 
against the Old Baptists,) not long since 
while aiding in constituting a few persons 
into a church, (note these persons had gone 
out from us Old School Baptists, that it 
might be manifest they were not of us,) 

took occasion to call us (that separated 
from the Flint River Association) Mose- 
leyites; and informed his audience, that 
bro. Moseley 's faith was but two years 
old. Strange to tell, (after bro. Moseley 
has been preaching the unsearchable riches 
of Christ for sixteen years,) that a profess- 
ed Baptist should have the effrontery to 
make such assertions, knowing falsehoods. 
The same gentleman intimates, that bro. 
! Moseley is aspiring after ecclesiastical 
'promotion. There is about as much truth- 
j in these assertions as was in the lying spi- 
rifj that was in the mouth of Ahab's proph- 
ets. I will right here re'markj if bro. 
Mosely had been seeking for or after pop- 
ularity, (my own opinion is) he would 
have been a missionary; for he that would 
•be popular; should always be amongst the' 
Crowd (majority.) If bro. Mosely had 
been a missionary, a warm and zealous ad- 
! vocate of New Schoolism, ho would have 
been the greatest man of the Baptist con- 
nection in Georgia, old Jesse not excepted. 
Bro. Moseley was well aware, that him- 
self and brethren of like precious faith, 
would have to stem the torrent of indirect 
persecution, and surmount the boisterous 
waves of opposition; was aware that they 
would be fed with the bread of affliction 
and waters of affliction, being emphatical- 
ly taught that the people of God was a 
poor, afflicted, and peculiar people. Thus 
we find bro. Mosely chose rather to suffer 
affliction- with the people of God, than to 
enjoy the pleasure of sin for a season; es- 
teeming tie reproach of Christ, greater 
riches than all the treasures of .North and 
South America. 

But I must close, for I have wrote 
enough already to bring upon me all the 
thundering curses of Amaleck; for some 
of the mission men do profess to hold mft\ 



toy the hand of friendship, and meanwhih 
(Joab like) are stubbing in under (he fifil. 
ri j. Bv.t nought for that. So much o; 
our minute as you think interesting, give 
an insertion as soon as convenient. 

So I subscribe myself yours in full fel- 


Extract from the Minutes of the Toiua- 
liga Primitive Baptist Association: 
convened at Shoal Creek, Pike comity 
(Ga.) on thelSth, 14/A, \5thand 16th 
of October, 183S. 

Reasons for declaring a non-fellowship 
with the institutions of the day, falsely 
called Benevolent, viz; Missionary, Bi- 
ble, Tract, Temperance societies, Sunday 
School Union, Theological Seminaries, 
Baptist State Conventions, and other tribu- 
tary branches, to the present plan of Mis- 
sionary operations, now in use in the Uni- 
ted Slates; together with our reasons for 
withdrawing from the Flint River Asso 

We proceed first to give our reasons for 
declaring a non-fellowship with the institu- 
tions of the day, above named, and 2ndly, 
our reasons for withdrawing from the Flint 
River Association. 

1st. One article of the Constitutions of 
all Baptist churches and Associations reads 
thus: "We believe the Scriptures of the 
Old and New Testament is the word of 

God, and the only rule of faith anil prac 

tice." We find neither precept nor exam- 7 and 7: "Howbeir, in vain do 

pie in the Word of God, by which the in- j ship me, teaching for doctrines 

forward, is a practice diametrically oppd- 
■ed to, and in violation of the above passa- 
ges of sacred writ. See for example, the 
Constitution recommended by the Georgia 
Baptist Convention, for the formation of 
auxiliary societies; in which any person 
may be messenger delegate, to the Con- 
vention who is of a good moral character, 
and strictly friendly to the Convention. 
Again wa call vour attention, to the Con- 
stitution of the American Baptist, Home 
Missionary Society, for the year 1S37. 
Art. 3rd "Anv person mav become a 
member of this Soeirty by subscribing an- 
nually to its funds Thirty dollars paid at 
one time, shall constitute a member for 
life One hundred dollars paid at one 
time shall constitute a Director for life. 
Any person on paying a sum which in ad- 
dition to any previous contribution, shall 
amount to one hundred dollars, shall be a 
Director for life. Any Bapiisl church. As- 
sociation, State Convention, or Missionary* 
Society, that contributes annually to the 
objects of this Society, shall be entitled to 
be represented bv one or more Delegates 
in its annual meetings." AM the rest of 
the kindred socieiies, are founded U|.>on si- 
milar principles; and by submitting to such 
flagrant violations, of the express Word of 
God, we should be accessary to that state- 
of things, complained of by the Redeemer 
in Matt. 13 and 9: "But in vain do they 
worship me; teaching for doctrines the 
commandments of men." Again, Mark 

they wor- 
ines the cora- 

stitutions are supposed. And if the Lord, .mandments of men " 

was so particular after exhibiting to Moses, 3rd. We believe tjiat Theological Semi- 

the pattern by which the tabernacle was to ; naries are calculated to aid, and abet, in the 

be made, as to say, "See thai thou make all corruption of the church, by offering an in- 

ihings, according to the pattern showed i ducement to designing characters to seek 

thee in the Mount:" And if we believe re- after and obtain the advantages derived 

velation is complete, the argument then is, from the same; and through their cxer- 

every direction necessary for our good, and tions as false teachers, corrupt the church, 

his glory, in the carrying forward of the of whom the Lord bids us beware. A- 

Redeemer's kingdom upon earth is found | gain, if Mr. Judson's doctrine ronl lined in 

in the word of God. And to introduce' his letter to the ladies in America, furnish 

tilings professedly for the carrying forward a fair sample, where he sa\s "Many im- 

of tire Redeemer's kingdom; for which ' mortal souls, are suffering the vengeance of 

there is no authority in the Bible; is a de- 1 eternal fire," and must to all eternity, be- 

parture from our own articles of faith, and | cause they, the Ladies of America, would 

a direct reflection upon the infinite wisdom | not consent to be called unfashionable, and 

of God. ! not like other folks. And is it not rcison- 

2ndly. We are directed, 2nd Cor. Gth & able to believe, that a man holding such 

14th, not to be unequally yoked together principles, and to whom is intr listed the 

with unbelievers; and by reference to their translation of the Bible, will trai >:at« it to 

own documents, we think all will see, that i suit his own views. We think it is. And 

the Society system, introduced and carried hence we see verified the words of the upos- 



lie Peter, 2nd Peter, 2nd c. 1st v.: "Hut 
there were false prophets also among the 
people, as there shall be false teachers 
among you," &c. 

4lh. Our Lord in his infinite wisdom 
was pleased to place the light Upon the can- 
dlestick, or church, and we are bound to 
believe tnat it is a more conspicuous and 
advantageous station, than the Tempe- 
rance S'>ciely, which is an amalgamation of 
professors and world; Christian and drunk- 
ard; and to say it is not, is degrading to 
the divine character, and a direct reflection 
upon his infinite wisdom. 

5th. We are bound to believe that they, 
and especially the Bible Society, are form- 
ed in speculation and corruption; and in 
support of this idea, we would just call 
3?our attention to the fact, that it was said 
in the introduction of Bible societies, that! 
the contributions were to defray the ex- 1 
pense of printing, paper, binding, and ' 
freights; and the Bibles were to be given 
to the poor. But in 1821 the American 
Bible Society, recommended to sell them, I 
which advice has been readily reduced to I 
practice by the auxiliary societies. Now j 
we ask, if the contributions defrayed the i 
expense, what is done with the proceeds, ; 
of the vast amount of Bibles sold? The 
answer is obvious to every discerning mind. [ 
It is used in paying agents from 25 to $40 
per month, to travel in every State, to form 
more societies, to get more money, &c. 
And thus is fulfilled that prophetic passage 
that says: "And through covetousness, 
shall they with feigned words make mer- 
chandize of you, whose judgment now of a 
lone; lime lingereth not, and their damna- 
tion slumbcreth not." 2nd Peter, 1st ch. 
3d v. Again, John 2, 6. and from the! 
13th v. to the 17th. Again, 1st Tim. 6 c. J 
10 and 11 v. 

6th. The introducing and advocating of j 
the societies, has been the source of much j 
distress and confusion amongst the people 
of God. And while we advocate the' 
spread of that gospel which comprehends! 
nothing but Jesus Chris: and him crucified, 
and our Ministers endeavor to preach in 
that charitable way, and upon those charit- j 
able objects, laid down in the scriptures; I 
with a prompt discharge of duty to God j 
and man; we deprecate heresy, amalgama- 
tion of church and world, deception and 

7th. And last but not least. The fact 1 
does exist, that in the Northern section of 
the United States, there is a direct con»ec- 

tion existing between the Society S3'stem 
Baptists, and the Abolitionists. We have 
long since been convinced of such connec- 
tion; but never until recently have wo 
come into possession of so positive evi- 
dence as we now have. From a letter from 
Mr. (J. Birney, Corresponding Secretary 
to the American Anti Slavery Society, 
New York, to the Clerk of this body, we 
are authorized in saying, that in the New 
England States about foui -fifths of all reli- 
gious denominations, are Abolitionists. 
Baptist Missionary, Abolition newspapers 
from the States of Massachusetts, New 
Hampshire, Vermont, and Maine, are also 
in possession of the same individual; which 
proves the connection between the Society 
System Baptists and the Abolitionists in 
that section of our country beyond dispute. 
Mr. B. admits that '-the Missionaries of 
almost all the denominations, are, he 
thinks, Abolitionists. We hazard noth- 
ing therefore in saying that the Missiona- 
ry, Bible, Tract, and other kindred insti- 
tutions, together with the Abolition Socie- 
ty, is the legitimate result of religious fa- 
naticism. For aught we know the above 
statements may be disputed by some; if 
they should, we are ready in the language 
of the declaration of our national indepen- 
dence to "let facts be submitted to a candid, 
world." Now if there are four out of five 
of the Northern Baptists Abolitionists, is it 
not obvious, that they have the control of 
some of the most important societies, with 
which the Southern Baptists are united, 
and for which they are going such lengths 
to support. And is it not also obvious, 
that the money drawn from the pockets of 
the Southern people, through the medium 
of the Triennial Convention, and other- 
wise, under color of sending the gospel 
&c. goes directly into the pockets, and for 
the support of those whose aim seems to- 
be, to undermine the very pillars of the. 

Sth. We now proceed to give a few pas- 
sages of scripture, out of many, that we 
think justifies us in declaring non-fellow- 
ship with the societies, and for withdraw- 
ing from those individuals, churches, and 
Associations connected with them. John 
ii chapter and 13th verse: Aud the Jews' 
passover was at hand; and Jesus went up 
to Jerusalem, 14. and found in the Temple, 
those that sold oxen, sheep and doves, and 
the changers of money, sitting: 15. and 
when he made a scourge of small cords, he 
drove them all out of the Temnle, and the, 



s^eep, and the oxen; and poured out the 
changers' money, and overthrew 'he ta 
bl<s; IS. and said unto them that sold 
doves, take these things hence: make 
not thy Father's house, a house of merch- 
andize 17. And his disciples remembered 
that it was written, the zeal of thine, house 
hath eaten me up. i Tim. 6 and 10. 
For the love of money is the root of all 
evil: which while some coveted after, they 
h<ve erred from the faith, and pierced 
themselves through with many sorrows. 
11. But thou, Oman of God, flee these 
things; and follow after right ousnegs, i 
godliness, faith, love, patience and meek-| 
inessj 2 Cor. vi. chapter and 17th verse:! 
Wherefore come out from among them, ' 
and be ye separate, saith the Lord, &c. 
Ezra x. chapter and 11 verse: Now there- 
fore make confession unto the Lord God of 
your fathers, and do his pleasure; and sep- j 
arale yourselves from the people of the, 
land, and from the strange wives. Nelie. | 
xiii. chapter and 3 verse: Now it came to 
pass when they had heard the law, that 
they separated from Israel all the mixed 
multitude. Rom. xvi chapter and 17 
■verse: Now I beseech you, brethren, mark; 
them which cause divisions, and offences, 
contrary to the doctrine which ye havei 
learned; and avoid them. 18. For they j 
that are such serve not the Lord Jesus; 
Christ, but their own belly, and by good 
Words and fair speeches deceive the hearts! 
of the simple. Rev. xviii. chapter 8 verse:! 
Come out of her, my people, that ye be not 
partakers of her sins, and that ye receive 
not of her plagues. If you will not be- 
lieve from these passages, that we are justi- 
fiable in what we have done, we say, nei- 
ther would you believe though one aruse 
from the dead. 

We now proceed to assign our reasons, 
for withdrawing from the Flint River As- 

1st. It is a well known fact, that at the 
session of the Flint River Association, 
1836, the Lebanon church requested the 
Association to take the subject of the insti- 
tutions, and their effects into consideration, 
which she did: and referred the same to 
the churches, and stated in the Minutes, 
that their decision shall be final with us. 
And in 1S37, twenty-six churches out of 
forty-one, answered we have no fellowship 
for the institutions. Notwithstanding tli is 
and their former declaration,, that the deci- 
sion of the churches should be final with 
the Association, they toek the matter up 

again and decided fhey would continue io 
live as they had done heretofore, &c.; to 
the affliction of those churches that with- 
drew, and in violation of these passagi s of 
scripture recited in the foregoing reasons. 

2nd. It is also a well known fact, that 
notwithstanding that many of the Flint Ri-> 
ver Association would have us believe that 
they have nothing to do with the institu- 
tions of the da\, that many of her own 
members are connected with them, boljh 
ministers and lay members, and through 
that medium Ihey maintain communion 
with the institutions. Could it be exp et- 
ed that those of us could continue in union 
with them, any more than we could with 
other denominations? But we shall be 
asked, why we continued with them so 
long? which we will answer by asking an- 
other question. Why did Israel continue 
with their strange wives so long? And 
notwithstanding some of the members of 
the Flint River Assoeia'ion would have ui 
believe, that if the connection with 'he in- 
stitutions, be sufficient cause for separation, 
then all official acts of those ministers that 
are, and have been connected with them^ 
are invalid. "O shame, where is thv 
blush!" When those verv members with 
all others, and Baptist Usage from time im- 
memorial, have all acknowledged, that all 
official acts of church or administrator val- 
id, until they were legally thrown under 
censure. We now conclude by using the 
words of old Joshua: "Lei others do as they 
may, as for me and my house, we will servft 
the Lord. J \SON GRIER, Moderator. 

A. B. Reip, Clerk. 

Pike county, Gear gin, Oct. 15ih 1S38. 
The Towaliga Primitive Baptist, to her 
sister dissociations wsth whom she 
proposes to correspond — sends Chris- 
tian salutation: 

Dearly Beloved — We feel to thank 
God, that he, in the course of his mercy, 
has permitted us as churches, (separated 
from all the institutions of the day — falsely 
called benevolent.) to be constituted into an 
Association, called by the above name. 
Seventeen churches were represented in 
the constitution; after which, eight joined; 
making in all, twenty-five. Our meeting 
has been harmonious. There has not been 
a single nay, in the whole of our delibera- 
tions; and we can truly say, the work of 
righteousness shall be peace, and the effect 


*f righteousness, quietness and assurance 
forever. The preaching tins been of thai 
heavenly kind, that is calculated to com- 
fort the child of God — sooth the sorrows 
of the mourner-— and awaken the unawa- 
kehed. Brethren, believing we are kin- 
dred spirits— children of the same heaven- 
ly father, we solicit a correspondence with 
you, in order !o cultivate and perpetuate 
that union which exists amongst brethren 
having one Lord, one faith, and one bap- 

Our next Association will be held with 
She church at EphestiSj Monroe county, 
on Saturday before the second Lord's day 
in October, IS39. Finally, brethren, fare- 
well. JASO'v GRIER, Moderator. 

A. B. Reid, Clerk. ' 


Franklin county, Tennessee, } 
/. 183!) \ 

'heart they hold, (hey care nothing about it. 
If I know what a Baptist is, 1 was one be- 
fore I went into the water; and my per* 
forming the act of baptism was only an 
outward sign of what I had felt within. It 
is strange to me to see snme that I once had 
confidence in, running after the schemes of 
the day; but I have only to look on, them 
with sorrow and say, oh Lord, keep me by 
thy grace; for unless thou hold me last, I 
shall prove like them at last. And I had 
rather die than forsake the. cause of God, 
the Old Baptists, and thus distress his chil- 
dren by turning to ihe missionaries. The 
fact is, they are no belter than the schisma- 
tics, and I believe that the experience of 
God's children will always keep them, 
from such gross error. 

Your brother in the gospel. 

WM. 8. SMITH, 

2d January 

Brother Editor: As the year '38 has 
' jnst closed, 1 want to say to you that. I am 
well pleased with the Primitive, believing 
it advocates Old Baptist principles; and go 
with me as ii liny in eternity, I know I 
de>ire the welfare of all the children of 
men, and the prosperity of God's afflicted 
Zion in this world, which I believe to be 
the Ohi School Baptists. When 'reading 
the many letters in your paper from bret h- • 
ren scattered over these United States, and 
finding them to speak the same things, i 
though I confess that a great many expres- \ 
sior.s I think a little harsh, but 1 judge 
they are wrote by those like myself with 
but little learning and perhaps troubled 
widi those who want to be called Oh! 
School Baptists, that are like some that 
were among national Israel who could not 
speak the Jews' language. Now 1 think 
that daddy nor mamma could not under- 
stand them well, for in part they spoke 
both languages; which I think is like too 
many now among us, that will have talva- 
tion part of grace and p^jjl of works. And 
the grace part the church can understand, 
and the sinner knows nothing of; and the 
works the sinner understands, and it is 
confusion. Paul says, he is not a Jew that 
is one outwardly, neither is that circumci- 
sion thai is outward, in the flesh; but he isa 
Jew that is inwardly so, & thai, by the Spirit. 

Now 1 find a great many who wish to 
be called Baptists, that if they can only get 
people in the water think diey are doing 
mightily. As regards the principle of; 



Alabama, Henry county, 
Jun. 15/A, 1839. 

Dear brother Bennett: I want to let 
you know that I have seen some mission- 
ary projects myself. Some years ago, we 
here at the South could hear wonderful ac- 
counts of the progress of religion in th& 
Northern States. vWe were overjoyed to 
hear the news. Here in the. newly settled^ 
parts of the State of Alabama, the chur- 
ches and Associations were quite small, vef 
they were generally at peace among them- 
selves, the increase of our churches gradu- 
al. We thought ourselves happy . in a 
measure, having the gospel preached a- 
fflong us, as we thought in its purity. 

Now the people away there at. the North, 
raise a great deal of the bread stulf called 
wheat. and before they store it up in the gar- 
ner, I expect they extract or separate the 
chuff, or as much of it as they possibly can 
from Ihe wheat; and as the chaff generally 
goes with the wind, there is but little no- 
tice taken of it, no man is accountable for 
the chaff. But here comes a wind from 
the north and in it a great fog of chaff, and 
filled our eyes that we could hardly discern 
men from trees walking. Now 1 suppose 
the discipline of the Primitives at the 
North, blew those chaffy professors out. or 
or from the churches; so they became mis- 
sionaries, being filled with a great zeal for 
the welfare of Christians and sinners too. 
But any man or set of men, that can con- 
ceive and mature a plan to disinherit, a poop 
woman and take awa.y her whole estate, and 



leave her little ones to starve or doom them 
to perpetual slavery", how they can be con- 
sidered lovers of Christians or sinners ei- 
ther, is a question too hard for me to an- 

Brother Bennett. I have named no man 
or men, and if the cap fits any one, they 
may remember that I cannot help it. And 
if they meddle with me much, I will fell a 
tale of their doings; how they have robbed 
churches, destroyed Associations, and mar-i 
red the peace of Christians — I would think 
sufficient to almost shame a calf if he had' 
knowledge, or to make a lion shut hisj 
mouth. I have been at war with the mis-i 
sionaries for seven years, and have been in, 
many close engagements. I was, dear bro- ! 
ther, hard at war with them when I first 
saw your paper, called the Primitive Bap- 
tist; wbich was truly animating to my spi- 
rit. | 

I must come to a close. I thought, as I 
was writing for your paper, I would write 
a little to let you know who 1 was. 

I remain yours, dear brother, in gospel 



Georgia, Monroe county, } \ 
January Sth, 1S39. \ \ 

Dear brother Bennett: I now by i 
candlelight shall endeavor to write a few- 
lines for the Primitive Baptist. 

Bro. Bennett, I shall in the first place i 
tell you, I am nothing but a plain firmer 
and a poor nobbier at that, and am no prea- 
cher; but I do like the Prim, for the doc- 
trine it promulgates, and, dear bro. Ben-i 
nett, may the Lord bless you in your edi- 
torial labors, which I think have been; 
abundantly blessed. And it does appear; 
to me the Prim, has been the answer of; 
God to his dear children, that, are scattered 
over the vast extent of these United States, 
and has been the means of leading them; 
out of mystical Babylon; and the watch-j 
word is: COME OUT OF HER,- MY 
PEOPLE — the Lord Jestis Christ, and; 
him "crucified. 

Brethren, I do esteem the Prim, above' 
nil others, except the Holy Writ; which it ' 
is in essence, for it will not receive any ] 
thing in its columns that is one side of (he 
word of God: such as Arminianism or mis-, 
sionism, which I conceive to be co-workers; 
missionism for Arminianism, Universal ism 
for Campbellism, which are heterodox. For 

it is not by power, nor by might; but by 
my Spirit, saith the Lord of hosts. Zech. 
4. 6. fie that enterelh not by the door in- 
to the sheepfold, but climbeth up some oth- 
er way, the same is a thief and a robber. 
John, 10. 1. 

Dear bro., I do believe Arminians and 
Universaliaus are thieves and robbers; for 
Arminians are measuring arms with Jeho- 
vah — for it is, my own arm will obtain 
salvation. Look at the effort systems for 
proof. Therefore by the deeds of the law 
no flesh shall be justified. Rom. 3. 20. I 
came not to call the righteous, but sinners 
to repentance. And again, bro., you see 
those effort men are assuming the seat of 
Christ; for it is men and money — if we 
cannot get that, souls for whom Christ 
died will be damned, according to their 
doctrines--when Christ says: While I was 
with them in (he world, I kept them in 
thy name: those that thou gavest me I have 
kept, and none of them is lost but the son 
of perdition, &c. John, 17. 12. Again: 
And this is (he will of him that sent me, 
that every one which seeth the Son, and 
believeth on him, (that is, by an eye of 
failh,) may have everlasting life: and 1 
will raise him up at the last day. John, 6. 
40. With numbers of other scriptures I 
could give, but deem it unnecessary; as 
there is already enough produced to prove 
to any person, that does not wish to tram- 
ple on the word of God, that Christ will 
save his people — yes, his elect people, that; 
were chosen in the Lord Jesus Christ, and 
that before the foundation of the world. 

Dear brethren, I do believe that the 
Lord will save his people without the help 
of poor, sinful, polluted beings as we are. 
Arminians, you see you arc altogether ono 
side of the word of God, and so are Uni- 
vcrsalians; which say, there is no Future 
punishment afier this life. And they are 
as far from the word of God as Arminians, 
and both are heterodox; for Christ says, in 
speaking of the last judgment: And he 
shall set the sheep on his right hand, and 
the goats on the left— which is a reprcscn- 
ta ; ionofthe children of the wicked one — ■ 
and there be says the goals shall go away 
into everlasting punishment, but the righ- 
teous into life denial; which eternal and 
everlasting I conceive to he synonymous 
terms, which mean duration perpetual 
without end. And for them to say that 
ihere is no future punishment, does con- 
tradict Jehovah; fur Christ says, in the 
16th chapter of Luke, in speaking of the 



Vieh man and Lazarus: And the poor beg 
ga • died, and was carried away to Abra 
ham's bosom; arid the rich mm died also, 
and lo bis surprise in hell lifted np his 
eyes, being in laments. And this hell or 
torments \ou see was after death; and lhis 
hed we understand to be, a place where 
the devil and infernal spirits reside. Rev 
20. 10: And the devil (hat deceived them 
was cast in(o the lake of lire and brimstone, 
where (he beast and false prophet are; and 
shall be tormented day and night, for ever 
and e-er. Yes, Universalis us, your doc- 
trines are too spurious and rotten to talk a- 
btmt. And again: Death and hell were 
east into the lake of fire, which is the 
second death; with twenty more scrip- 
tures 1 could give you, but 1 think there is 
sufficient quoted' to drop the Universalian 
and Arminun. 

My dear fellow man, recollect you must 
be regenerated and born again, to ever en- 
ter into the kingdom of heaven; for if you 
die in your sin?, where God and Christ 
are you cannot come. Do think on your 
latter end while it is called to-day, for the 
night Cometh when no man can work. 
Recollect we are hastening out of time into 
eternity, and shall it be well with us or 
not? or shall we hear that awful sentence, 
Depart from me ye cursed, into everlasting- 
fire, prepared for the devil and his angels? 
O what a miserable thing it is to die with- 
out hope and without God in the world; 
O to he hurled into that awful vortex, 
where the worm dielh not and the fire is 
not quenched. 

Dear bro. , I have not wrote what I first 
intended; though 1 will now give you a 
sketch of the proceeding of the Flint River 
Association. At her last session there was 
a door opened for correspondence with the 
Columbus, Central, and Geoigia Associa- 
tions; which correspondence of those As- 
sociations was dropped by the Flint River 
Association, on the account of their not be- 
ing orthodox. For the Central is made 
up pretty much of general a toners, which 
go under the mime of Whiteites with us. 
And one act by the Flint River, after drop- 
ping correspondence, that all the baptisms 
that were performed at their hands should 
not be valid baptism with us, but shall be 
rebaptised. And those persons after the 
0!d School Baptists withdrew from them, 
on point of their leaving the Primitive or- 
der of the church, those missionaries with 
their adiaphorns or neutral men, those 
choice fellows, those peacemakers, on nei- 

her side, no missionary I am an original, 
iuve all proved Arminians. The dc.or of 
correspondence is, to withdraw all publica- 
tions and documents which have a tenden- 
cy to separate us in our Christian love ..nd 
fellowship; that is, if I understand them in 
their compromise, we acknowledge we* 
were wrong, and we will unite as hereto- 
fore. They turn round and tell us, they 
are original. 

I cannot give you any more, as my sheet 
is full; so I must reluctantly come to a 
close. Yours, in hope of eternal life, 
which God that cannot lie, promised beforc- 
the world began. 



Sevier county, E. Tennessee,") 
January S/h, 1839. $ 
Brother Bennett: I have received 
two numbers of your paper, with which I 
am well pleased and with the doctrine that 
they vindicate. But I can inform you that 
being a preacher for thirty-seven or eight 
years, and with a great deal of satisfaction 
too till within a few years, since the mo- 
neyed schemes of the day have come into 
the churches, I have seen more distress 
than I have seen in all the rest of my reli- 
gious life; on account of the distresses, di- 
visions, and animosities, that have arisen in 
the churches, and chiefly amongst mem- 
bers that I once thought highly of as prea- 
chers. But when they preach a possible 
salvation, and that there are thousmds of 
souls now in hell for want of money to con- 
vert them, I think they have departed from 
all scriptural language, concerning the sol- 
vation of the souls of men, found in the 
Old and New Testament. In which are 
found the fall of man, and the spirit that 
make men the children of the wicked one, 
as seen in the following passages of scrip- 
ture; Romans, 3. 10: ' : As it is written, 
! There is none righteous, no, not one: 
11. There is none that understandeth, 
; there is none that seeketh after God 12. 
! They are all gone out of the way, they are 
together become unprofitable: there is none 
that doeth good, no, not one." See also 
from the 13th to the 18th verse of the same 
chapter; which I think show that man is 
| in great necessity of a Saviour appointed of 
! God, and not of the works of men. Just 
| such an one as Paul speaks of in Ephcsi- 
; ans, 2 ch. 1 and 2 v.: "And you hath he 
quickened, who were dead in trespasses 



and sins; wherein in time past ye walked ? Jesus Christ, to the end of the world, in 

according to the course of thus world, ac 
cording to. .the prince of the power of .the 
air, the spirit that now worketh in the chil- 
dren of disobedience." Now Ihis proves 
to me, that those that are made Christians 
now, must experience the same change by 
the Spirit of God, or the following scrip- 
tares have no meaning to me: Romans, 5 
ch. 8 v.: "But God commendeth his love 
toward us, in that while we were yet sin- 
ners, Christ died for us " Again, Ephe- 
sians, 1 ch. 4 v.: "According as he hath 
chosen us in him before the foundation of! and 3 v.: For men shall he lovers of their 

supporting the truth and contradicting er- 
ror, that has been and may be propagated; 
that error that had so ruinous effect on the 
churches of Asia, by causing them to part, 
from their first constitution. This makes 
me think wo should ever be mindful of 
Paul's directions in his two epistles 1oTim- 
othy and one to Tilus, as those directions 
n ill guide the churches in selecting their 
preachers arid judging their qualifications; 
that they may not select such preachers as 
Paul speaks of in the 3 ch, of 2 Timothy- 2 

the world, that we should be holy and 
without blame before him in love." Ephe- 
sians, 2 c. 4 v. : "But God who is rich in 
mercy, for his great love wherewith he 
loved us, 5 v. even when we were dead 
in sins, hath quickened us together with 
Christ; (by graceye are saved.)" Again, 
2 Timothy, 1 ch. 9 v.: "Who hath saved 
us. and called us with a holy calling, not 
according to our works, but according to 
his own purpose and grace, whirh-was giv- 
en us in Christ Jesus before the world be- 
gan; 10 v. but is now made manifest, by 
the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, 
who hath, abolished death, and hath brought 
life and immortality to light through the 
gospel." Epbesians, 3 ch. 17, IS and 19 
v. : "That Christ may dwell in your hearts 
by faith; that ye, being rooted and groun 

o'vn selves, covetous, boasters, proud, 
blasphemers, disobedient to parents, (prea- 
chers,) unthankful, unholy, without, natu- 
ral affections, truce-breakers, false accusers, 
incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that 
are good." I would s>y,such men do not 
keep their covenants they made with the 
churches when they were ordained to the 
ministry; but have a form of godliness of 
their own, but deny the power of the liv- 
ing God, and place it in men's exertions 
and money. Are we not commanded from 
such to turn away? because they creep in- 
to houses and lead captive silly women, 
whether applied to weak churches or wo- 
men indeed. Such men are ever learning, 
and never able to come to the knowledge 
of the trul h; though they say there is a 
possibility for all men to come, which is. 

dec! in love, may be ahle to comprehend not agreeable to sound doctrine, which 
with all saints what is the breadth, and says: No man can come to me except the 
length, and depth, and height; and to Father draw him. Are they not to be ex- 
know the love qf Christ, which passeth ! horted, reproved, and rebuked with all 
knowledge, that ye might be filled with all long suffering and doctrine? least we be- 
the fulness of God. 9 v. : And to make ;:11 come as God's elect, that we read of in the 
men see what is the fellowship of them vs- general epistles, scattered through all the 
tery, which from the beginning of the country as they were in Peter's day, thro' 
world hath been hid in God, who created Pontus, Gallatia, Capadocia, &c. That wc 
all things by Jesus Christ. 10 and 1 1 v. : have such men among us is beyond contra- 
To the intent that now unto the principali- • diction. 2 Peter, 2 ch. 1, 2 and 3 verses; 
ties and powers in heavenly places might "But there were false prophets also among 
be known, by (he church, the manifold the people, even as there shajl be false tea- 
wisdom of God, according to the eternal chers among you, who privily shall bring 
purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus in damnable heresies, even denying the 
our Lord." 'Lord that bought them, and bring upon 

Now, brother Bennett, these with many ! themselves swift destruction, &c." From 
other scriptures to the same purport, such sucb turn away, but cleave unto them 
as in the 1 ch. of Tilus, 2 v.: "In hope of ' 'hat arc sanctified by God the Father, 
eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and call- 
promised before the world began" — which cd. 

seems to be in the I v. the faith of God's] I must close my remarks, wishing grace, 
elect, and the acknowledging of the truth | mercy and truth may ever be with you and 
which is after godliness. Now I believe the church of Christ. 

that the things that were written to the 
churches by Paul, will suit the churches of 

Yours in gospel bonds. 





SATURDAY, MARCH 23, 1839. 

In printing the 2nd number of the present vol- 
ume our workmen turned a few copies wrong, so 
that the pages do not come in regulaT succession. 
These copies are all we have now left, and conse- 
quently must send them or none of that number to 
new subscribers; believing they would prefer hav- 
ing them, we shall send these copies requesting 
them to notice the figures on the top of the page 
of that number. 

rwill find massa mad about dis affair. I charge 
you once more, you old rascal, to hold your jaw. 
1 am your mistress, and will do as I please with 
my own. Dat is not right, misses;- for you know 
you were a poor girl and deep in debt when mas- 
sa married you, but massa was rich and we old 
servants have worked for massa a long time, and 
fed his flocks and raised young lambs and calves; 
and now, I spose, misses, we must perish, and go 
out in de cold to feed de sheep without de wool or 
de milk, when we are old aid wore out. You 
look for as much from us, as if we were young 
shepherds in prime of life, yet no wool nor milk 
to keep us warm; I tell you, misses, massa no 
like dis when he come home. I tell you once 
more, Dick, to hold your jaw; if you do not, I 
will thrash you well, for 1 do not care for you nor 
your master. Dis I believe, misses; if you did 
love massa you would keep massa's orders when 
he was gone, dat you might embrace him in love 
and joy when he comes home.. Hush, I tell you, 
Dick. Yes, misses, I would hush; but I must 
plead de rights of my fellow servants, for many 
of dem neider have wool nor milk, while we feed 
de flocks, You saucy rascal, don't let me hear 
another word out of your mouthi Misses, I tell 
you to be plain wid you, I link you have found 
some other lover now master is gone from home, 
and is playing the whore, or you would obey mas- 


Edgecombe county, N. C. 
Brother Editors: It seems that my mind is 
so crowded with what I heard a few mornings 
aoro, that I cannot rest satisfied until I put it down 
and get it out. of my mind. I happened to pass a 
gentleman's house, and the mistess of the house 
called out and said, old Dick have you fed them 
cows and sheep] while I stopped in the road to 
hear the squall, by dropping my chair whip. No, 
misses, I no feed dem this morning. And why. 
Dick, have you not fed them, you bad boy] Be- 
cause, misses, when massa went away, he said if sa's orders and feed his young and old shepherds 
1 would feed and take care and oversee de flock, according to massa's orders. She roared out, you 
I should have some of de wool, and have milk to . Bob bring me here a stick, I will give it to him in 
eat from de cows as much as was needful. But style. A saucy fellow] dare to accuse me of 
now massa gone, you take de wool and sell it to whoredom; that's too much to bear. Well, mis- 
buy a fine gig and harness to show about in; and ses, lay on; I love massa and am willing to serve 
all of de milk you take and make de butter and sell him and will defend his orders and the rights of 
dat to buy de fine clothes, to wear and show in de , rny fellow servants. Then she fell to beating old 
fine gig abroad to oder folks. And here old Dick ; Dick, but he walked off and said not a murmuring 
is, in his cotton rags, without de wool massa.com- j word save only — misses, you beat me wrongfully; 
rnanded and without de milk, only now and den j it is you and not me that is in the wrong, and 1 
de little bonnyclabber you misses please give j will leave it all to massa when he comes home. 

Dick. Hush your jaw, you old scoundrel; I hnve 
a right to do as I please, now your master is gone, 
as your mistress. No, misses, dat is not so; for 
massa's orders is to be obeyed both by you and 
me; you as his wife, and me as his and your ser- 
vant. And if you no feed me and clothe me as 
massa directed, how I goine to go out dis cold 
morning to feed dc cows and sheep] de cows and 
sheep will suffer for food as old Dick, and when 
massa conies home I tell him you no give me no 
wool to make me clothes to keep me warm to feed 
de flock, nor no milk neider but a Utile clabber 
now and den; den, misses, what v\ ill yon say to 
dat] how will you look massa in de face, for not 
obeying massa's orders to feed and clothe old 
pick, while he was taking care of his flock and 
obeying massa's orders] 1 tell you, misses, you 

Thus ended the affair. 

Immediately as soon as all was quiet, my tho'ts 
leaped out with these reflections: What a lively 
picture is this of Christ and his church, and old 
Dick of his ministers. The church, the Lamb's 
wife, she is the mistress of ministers and they his 
and her servants; Jesus Christ, the minister's 
master, like old Dick's, is gone from home to hea- 
ven above, and had given orders to his servants, 
old Dicks, to feed his flocks; yet the church, the 
mistress, starves old Dick for wool and milk, and 
lays it out in gay equipage and finery. The 
church falling in love of the fine tilings of this 
world, to the starving God's ministers even of the 
necessaries of life, and is thereby guilty of spirit- 
ual whoredom; and is rightly accused by old 
Dick of having another lover besides his master f 



•So I moved ofi', meditating to myelf on the'i Can an Ethiopian change Us skin, Or lire 
road, JOSHUA LAWRENCE. leopard his spots? Can a blind man see 

his danger? Can a man turn himself up- 
side down — a carnal man love god? Is the 
carnal mind a friend to God? Would Pe- 
ter have laid down his net, if he could help 
it? Would Lazarus been lame, if he could 



Lenoir county, N. Carolina, 
February 9 th, 1S39. 

Brother Editors: 1 was sorry to hear ! help it? Would the prodigal have spent 
that brother Bennett had declined editing j his store, if he could help it? Does God 
the Primitive Baptist; but believing in its i cause wise men 'o do his will, or the poor 
usefulness, 1 hope that himself and others j of this world? Why did lie not let the 
will not fail to aid in so useful a work. As i rich man go to heaven, and the poor man 
think its enemies would rejoice at its! to hell? What made him elect people to 

failure, or even in its extinction; for then 
then unhallowed schemes would not be so 
likely to be exposed, and they with more 
ease impose on the ignorance of the peo- 
ple, and be more likely to make their un- 
scriptural acts pass for the true principles 
of religion. For there are, it seems, too 
many that are willing to take their woids 
without examining the Word of truih to 
see whether these things are so; in conse- 
quence of which, wrong notions in the 

do his will? The missionaries say all 


But T must come to a close, till I got an- 
other chance to write you more. 


Wayne county, N. Carolina, 
Jan'y 5th, 1S39. 
Dear brother Bennett: By candle- 

things that pertain to religion, in this world | light I embrace the opportunity of writing 
pass loo current. For there always have i you a few lines to inform you that 1 have 
been persons claiming to be Christians and] received the Primitive papers for the last 
yet ate, that it seems would betray and sell: year tolerably regular. They are papers 
Christ for money, and contend against the I dearly love, and I believe some few of 
truths of the gospel. the brethren in this neighborhood do too; 

I close by subscribing myself a true b u t there are some again, that try to find 
friend to the Old Fashioned Baptists and fault with them by saving, it is sending iho 
their cause. ALFRED ELLIS. gospel instead of going and preaching it 


Brother Bennett, you recollect what I 
said in my communication to you last year 
about your despised paper, that I expected 
to take it as long as it is published. I am 
like Job said, I stick to my integrity. 

Our church at Cross Roads, Johnston 
county, is very much confused; not with 


Wake county, N. Carolina, £ 
January \0th, 1S39. 5 
Dear brother Bennett: 1 take my 

peti in hand to drop you a few lines, wish 

ing you well because of the Primitive Bap- the mission system or any of the schemes 

tisi. The missionaries say if a man begins 
th?! good work, God will carry it on; thev 
Cuii get it if 1 hey want it. Begin to day, 
and God will hear them. They must for- 
sake their sins. Say, why do not you 
stop in j our proud career? 

But, bro. Bennett, I want, to know one 
thing, and thai is-: can a hickory tree bear 
oranges, or cjii an oak hear pears? Does a 
weepieg willow bear comfort! Can a river 
run up stream, or can a camel go through 
a needle's eye? They strain at a gnat, and 
swallow a 'camel. Can a goat turn to a 
sheep? he can bleat like a sheep, but the 
skin is in the way and hair too. They say, 
go wash in the pool of Salom.; but I say, 
stop and let the clay be on the eye first. 

of the day, itishrotlicr with brother. And 
it reminds me of what Paul told the Corin- 
thians, lhat there is a fault among us. And 
it makes mc think very strongly of our 
Saviour's parable of the tares being among 
the wheat; I awfully fear it is the case in 
our church at Cross Roads, and its being 
one reason why we do not have more prea- 
ching than we do. 

Bro Bennett, I desire your prayers in 
my behalf, and also in behalf of our 
church. And 0, that God would be plea- 
sed in mercy to visit us v^ith his Holy Spi- 
rit and cleanse us from all unrighteous- 
ness, and at last save us in his kingdom if 
it can be his will, for Christ's sake. Amen. 




Pittsylvania, Va* Feb. 16, 1S39. 
Dear brother Holloway: I now 
will answer your request that you mode to j 
me. which I sea in the 4th vol. 2nd No. of; 
the Primitive Baptist You ask me to 1st 
you know whether I was a son of Abraham 
Rorer, or not. 

I now say to you, my brother, that I am j 
a son to Abraham Roier, or go for his son j 
in my section of country; so you have 1 
guessed right. And will say that my name 
is Rudolph Rojer, at home and abroad; and 
must say to those missionaries, who tho'i 
that there was no man of that name, that j 
they are wrong in this matter as well as 
they are in spiritual matters. And I here j 
will say to those missionists, that I believe! 
if I had written a lie for them they would j 
have believed it, and then would have be- 
lieved that my name was R. Rorer. For 
it does appear that they will not be- 
lieve the truth, when they see or hear it; 
but I must account for it in this way, that 
the Lord has sent them a strong delusion, ; 
that they should believe a lie. See 1 Tim. 
2. 11. " j 

So you may see, my brother, that they ' 
should believe a lie; then we should not! 
wonder at them for not believing the truth. 
For they are under the delusion of a lie, or 
of the lying spirit, and will believe all that ! 
Spirit says to them; and this is the reason 
we find them believing in the works of; 
wicked men, such as the societies of the ; 
flay which are called benevolent societies. I 
But, my brother, the truth is, that they arc 
nothing but the works of wicked men and ! 
devils, and will not give comfort to any j 

But I will say to those sneaks, or mis- 
sionists, who seem to think it would be a 
strange sight to see a man of my name, 
that I live about 12 miles from Pittsylvania 
Court House, a north west course, near 
Low's island, on Pig river; and if they 
wish to see this sight, they may call by and i 
then they will see nothing but a little scrub 
of a Dutchman. And if you sneaks do ' 
cjmeand see me, 1 will feed you and your 
horse and tell you at the same time what I 
thiek of your religion, if T can find out you 
are a missionary; and so 1 guess you will 
not be lonesome, the night you spend with 

Now again, my brother, you may see in 
this 2nd vol. that brother Hiram Hundley 
says, he met with brpther R. Rorer; which 

I think will do for proof to an honest man, 
that there is such a name as Rudolph Ro- 
rer. But if you sneaks do yet doubt whe- 
ther this is my name, vou may enquire of 
the clerk of our court, which is William 
Tunstall, which you can do by writing to 

Now, my brother, I hope you can un- 
derstand me on this subject, so as to give 
you satisfaction; and if it is not enough for 
the sneaks, send them over to me. Noth- 
ing more at present, but as ever, your bro- 
ther in tribulation. R. RORER. 

My clear brother Win. H. Cook, of Ala- 
bama, Pickens county. My brother, I 
have seen several letters from you in the 
Primitive Baptist, with which I am well 
pleased; and I have thought that you and I 
are brothers in the spirit, and I do not 
know but we are cousins in the flesh. So I 
wish to hear from you on this subject, as I 
once saw my cousin William Cook when 
we were bovs, and now I do not know 
where he is. Tnis William was a son to 
John Cook, and John Cook was a brother 
to my mother, and my grandfather was 
Harman Cook. Now, my brother, you 
will know whether we are cousins or not; 
for 1 am a son to A. Rorer. Let me hear 
from you when you can, through the Prim- 
itive or by private letter. Direct youiTet- 
ter to Merger's Store. 

Nothing more on this subject, but will 
say to you, my brethren, that we ought 
to seek after the truth of the gospel of Je- 
sus Christ, which is by grace through faith 
and that is the gift of God; not the gift of 
the societies we hear so much about, in this 
day of darkness and error, Now, my 
brethren, I s,ay it is a bad sign to me to hear 
a man say that he has got religion, and he 
got it at will and pleasure; and that all 
have a will, if they put it in operation. 
But, my brethren, 1 believe that they are 
dead, and are as helpless as the dry bones 
were in the valley. And you know, my 
brethren, that they could not move until 
the wind blew on them; so is every one of 
the children of men, and cannot move nei- 
ther hand nor foot to do any good thing, 
unless the Lord quickens them. So fare- 
well, brethren in the Lord. 



Anderson District, So. Carolina, 
Jan. 20, 18.39. 
Dear brother Editors: It is with diffi 



dence that I take my pen in hand to sayjcome upon us. Micah, 3d ch. 10 and H 
any ihing touching religion, as I am no verses. 

I close by subscribing myself yours, tru-» 

orator; but as i l is time 1 should make my 
remittance, I send a few remarks also. 

We read in MattH. 4th chapter and 18th 
verse: And Jesus, walking by the sea of 
Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called 
Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a 
net into the sea: /or they were fishers. IP. 
And he saith unto them, follow me,- and I 
will make you fishers of men. Why did 


JtS BURR IS, Sen- 


Jackson, Ihttts county, Go. 
30th January, 1S39. 
Dear brethren: There are a few of " 
us poor despised'and afflicted people in 
not Jesus Christ call some of the eminent j this part, of God's moral vineyard, who are 
scribes or pharisees to publish his gospel, desirous to follow the footsteps of Jesus, 
and not poor unlearned fishermen without i and take his word for the man of our 

credit or authority? Because it was the 
kingdom of heaven they were to preach, 
and their teachings were to come from a- 
bore; besides the conversion of sinners, 
though it be effected instrumentally by the 
preaching of the gospel, vet the grand agent 
in it is the Spirit of God. As the instru- 
ments were comparatively mean, and the 
work which was accomplished by them 
was grand and glorious, the excellency of 
the power at once appeared to be of God, 
and not of man. And thus the glory due 
alone to his name was secured, and the 
great operator of all good had the deserved 

Seminaries of learning, in the order of 
God's providence and grace, have great 
and important uses; and in reference to such 
uses, they should be treated with great re- 
spect. But to make preachers of the gos- 
pel is a matter to which they are utterly 
inadequate; it is a prerogative that God 
never did and never will delegate to man. 
Where the seed of the kingdom of God is 
sowed, and a dispensation of the gospel is 
committed to a man, a -good education 
may be of general use; but it no more fol- 
lows because a man has a good education, 
that therefore he is qualified to preach the 
gospel, than it does that because he has not 
had that, therefore he is unqualified. For 
there may be much ignorance of divine 
things where there is much human learn- 
ing, and a man may be wall taught in the 
things of God and be able to leach others, 
who has not had the advantage of a liberal 

Men-made ministers have almost ru- 

counsel, and 3bide by whatever we find 
therein. But, notwithstanding all this, 
we find many crosses and trials to undergo* 
but God provides for his people, through 
all their danger and troubles, to make away 
I for their escape, and I believe that he has 
done it for us. For ever since our Associ- 
ation, which was held at Shoal Creek, 
Pike county, I have seen more of the spirit 
and love abidi 

mg Got 

s children, 

than. I have for ten years before; but still 
there are some in our county, who seem lo 
be worshipping another God, which is no. 
God. They seem to moke a great fuss, and. 
it seems that they are gathering a great ma- 
ny followers. I am afraid they have made 
a great many Christians, (as they call 
them,) for the word says, that the world 
will fallow the beast. 

And it appears that the world and some 
churches are all trving to unite through 
the benevolence societies, falsely so called, 
of the day; as I do believe from every ex- 
ertion they make, and at the same tune 
saying that the millenium is just at hand, 
for the purpose of trying to deceive the 
weak and feeble, of God's people. 

Brethren, I am not much deceived, for 
the scripture says, that there will arise 
false teachers, who will try to deceive the 
very elect, if it were possible. But I think 
that God has put it out of their power, and 
I thank God for it; for he snys in the 6th 
chapter of John, commencing at the 35th 
verse: And Jesus said unto them, I am the 
bread of life: he that cometh to me, shall 
never hunger; and he that helieveth on me, 
shall never thirst. 36. Hut I said uniQ 

ined the heri a.:e of God. They build j you, thai ye also have *-een mc, and believe 
up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with in- i not. 37. All thai the Father givcth me, 
iquity. The heads thereof judge for re- 'shall come to me; and him that cometh to 
ward, and the priests thereof teach for lure, : roe, 1 will in no wise cast out. 38. For I 
and the prophets thereof divine for money; j came, down from heaven, not to (to my 
yet will they lean upon the Lord, and say, > own will, but the will of him that sent n;e, 
is not the Lurd among us? npoc evil can I 39. And tin's is. the Father's will which. 



hath sent me, that of all Which he hathf 
given me I should lose nolhing, but should 
t"aise it up again at the last day 40. And 
this is ihe will of him that sent me, that 
every one which seeth the Sun, and isclie- 
veth on him, may have everlasting life: 
and I will raise him up at the lust day. 

These scriptures, with many more that! 
could refer you to, prove. that the devil 
and all his host of disciples cannot frustrate 
God in the redemption of his people; and 
his children he will save with an everlast- 
ing salvation. 

And so nothing more, brethren, only I 
earnestly request you all to pray for us in 
ibis part of God's moral vineyard. So 1 
close by subscribing myself your unworthy 
brother, in Christian hope of salvation 
through Jesus Christ our Lord. &c. 



Georgia, Stewart County, 
February, 1839. 

Resist the devil, and he will flee from v tl 
— draw nigh to God. mo he will draw ngb 
to you. Re-ist an Ishmatlite, and you 
will see the i^ume fruits. And Solomon 
says: The wounds of a friend are sweeter 1 
than the kisses of an enemy. And D. id 
savs: Let the righteous smite me, it shall 
not break my head. What a manifest dif- 
fetence between the school of Christ, and 
the school of man. The school of Christ is 
taught in the furnace of affliction, piece- 
dented by Jesus and taught by the Holy 
Chost. In this furnace the sons of God, 
comparable to fine gold, by the world are 
judged as earthen pitchers; bu* the Lord 
judges them, the precious sons of Zion, be- 
cause in this furnace the dross is separated 
from the pure. And God says to Nehe- 
miah: If thou separate between the pre- 
cious and tiie vile, thou shall be as my 
mouth. All the schools on earth cannot 
learn a man to rejoice in tribulation, but 
the school of Christ can; and although a 
mystery to the world, it is nevertheless! 
true. Thus the grace of patience is brought 

Dear Bbother Bennett: you may into exercise, and the experience of good 
have thought strange at not hearing from hope well grounded as the work of the 
me before this time. The reason is, I have Holy Ghost, which is given to us. And 
been waiting to see if the controversy he- now abideth failh, hope, charity; these 
tween Baptists and rtiissionaries would as- three, but the greatest of these is charity, 
sume a more settled state; but fearing that j and this love shed abroad in the heart. 
you might think strange of my delay, I| The world thinks thai Christians ought 
hasten to send you this communication, en- \ to love every thing that bears the name of 
closing five dollars the amount of subscrip- religion, which is a wretched mistake; for 
tion for the company that I sent you. The if it is the love of God, that principle binds 
numbers which have come to hand have all Christians to love what God says in 
been received with much satisfaction by his word he loves, and to hate every thing 
them, and the circulation of the Primitive that God says he hates; which is "an ele- 
in this country, will be, I have no doubt, mentary principle for heaven. David 
an instrument in the hand of God of open- says, he hates every false way, and so 
ing the eyes of many here, as to their real ought we. And God say^s, he hates the 
condition. The Old School Baptists are doctrine of the Nicholatines; and I have na 
gaining ground here very fast, and a com- doubt, he hates Balaam, Jezebel and all 
plele division is and will soon be effected her lying prophets; and we ought to bate 
in the bounds of the Bethel Association. I them too. Though the devil may cast 

I conclude by subscribing myself your j some of us into prison that we may be 

unworthy brother in bonds of the gospel. 


Madison county, Alabama, } 
Feb'y 17, 1839. $ 
Beloved Brethren in the Lokd: 
Grace, mercy and peace be multiplied, 
through our Lord Jesus Christ* Every 
word of the Lord Jesus will be fulfilled, 
and certainly this scripture with the rest: 

tried, Jesus says, be thou faithful unto 
death, and I will give you a crown of life. 
Dear brethren, let, this promise animate 
your hearts in the precieus cause of truth: 
Not to fear none of those things that thou 
shall suffer, it is a sealing testimony of di- 
vine union with Jesus; therefore endure 
hardness as good soldiers of Christ. What 
a wonderful cry is made by the magicians, 
now in the world; theological, scientific 
school boys, from the land of Egypt; about 
Paul's not being ashamed to' preach the 
gospel, for it is the power of God unto 



salvation. Now, brethren, if the word un- 
to, is not an extern. il principle, I acknow 
ledge ! do not understand it; neither upon 
the principles of philosophy, nor the divini- 
ty of the Bible. Apply this principle in 
regeneration, and how long would it be be- 
fore the church would die for want of pop- 

Thus Paul says: It pleased God by the 
foolishness of preaching;, to save ihem that, 
believe; for to them only is it the power 
and wisdom of God, while it is foolishness 
to them that perish. Suppose we say, the 
wicked shall go unto hell; how many of 
them would rejoice? Suppose we say, i4ie 
righteous shall go unto heaven; how many 
would mourn? I know nothing about Lat- 
in, Greek, or Hebrew; but if there is wis- 
dom enough in all the languages on earth 
to convince the world) that the wicked shall 
go unto hell, a man with one eye, might 
see that infidelity would triumph through- 
out Asia, Africa, Europe and America, 
though wrapt up in a religious coat, if not 
prevented by the sovereign,, irresistible 
Work of God the Holy Ghost. 

Then I beg to remark, that the spiritual 
sense of circumcision is to cut. is to the 
heart; (or they will stone Stephen to 
death,) which is clearly illustrated in belt- 
ino- a tfee — for it is evidently the best me- 
thod of killing trees, to cut them all round 
into the heart; which stops all the commu- 
nication of sap, or the love of sin. And if 
the tree is all sap and no heart, every body 
sajs, it is the best method to cut it down 
and burn it up. 

Your companion in tribulation, 


>les and trials the Old Baptists have beee 
m at this lime by the missionaries. 1 
mean in bound books, so that the rising 
generation would have them to look at. 

1 pray the Lord to direct you in this 
case, and I feel willing to submit. So 1 
bid \*ou farewell. 



Conecuh county, Alabama, 
9th February, 1839. 


address you a. few lines, as I have but Utile 
pleasure in a religious way, only what 1 
receive in this paper. 

Dear brethren, should it meet your 
Views, I would be greatly pleased for the 
brethren that write in this paper, to pre- 
vail on brother Lawrence and brother Ben- 
net, with thf) publisher, to reprint the first 
three volumes of the Primitive Baptist, or 
as much of them as they may think proper. 
I believe this work would be purchased 
with eagerness, and I do not think it would 
be a losing busing to the undertakers; 
v.u\ it would then be on record, the trou- 


Leak county, Mississippi, > 
Jan. 2Dt/i, 1S39. 5 
Brother Bennett: We have mmy 
troubles to wade through in this world, and 
especially iu this neighborhood. We have 
a small church hereof the Primitive order, 
but we are in a cold dead state. We are 
like sheep iu the wilderness, among wolves 
without a shepherd. It has been nearly 
eleven months since we have had a regular 
supply, but I hope the blessed Lord has 
heard our prayers; we have the promise of 
brother S. Jones to attend us at a three 
days meeting, commencing Friday before 
the first Sunday in April next; and we 
have a nattering promise, t i vat he will con- 
tinue to attend us from that on. 

As for the missionaries, their churches 
are all in a confused stale, or nearly so; but 
still they have their regular preachers, and 
shove on with ali their might— *- what they 
lack in vole they make up in compulsion j 
but I do not think they flourish like they 
did at first, which makes me think they are 
built on the foundation of man's inven- 
tions We have a few Old Regulars here, 
but there are more calls for them than they 
can possibly fill, if they would occupy their 
whole time 

Brother Bennett, our Hide church wish- 
es you to give our ;jppoiniment for our A- 
pril meeting room in your paper, and peti- 
tion all the Regular Baptist preachers to 
meet brother S. Jones here that can possi- 
bly, as we hope and pray that it may be the 
commencement oi happier seasons than we 
have seen here lately. Dear brother, pray 
for us that it may prove so, as you aie not 
close enough to meet us; but may be, you 
can meet us in spirit. 

Brother Bennett, I am almost ashamed 
to send these lines to you, as this is one of 
the times that I am so confused in my 
mind and situation, that I cannot write as 
I wish. Through my awkwardness 1 for- 
got to give you the name of our church and 
settlement. The church is known by the 
name of Zebulon, three miles southwest 



»f Thomaston, in Ihe settlement of brother 
S. J. McKay, Leak county, Mississippi. 

Brother Bennett, when it goes well with 
you, remember me with our little church 

Yours, in the best of love. 



Florida, Madison county, ^ 
February 12th, 183©. $ 

Dear BRETHREN Editors: Having re- 
ceived. the first number .of the 4th vol. of 
the Primitive, in compliance wiih your 
terms I now inclose a five dollar note. 

Dear Editors, I can assure you I am well 
pleased, and I intend to spread both ihe 
Primitive and the Signs of the Times as 
fastasl can; fori firmly believe that you 
are on a sure foundation, so I bid you God 
speed. May you prosper, and may the 
Primitive Baptist flourish, not in name on- 
ly, but in principle, 

Yours, in the fellowship of the Spirit. 


Tennessee, McMinn county 
January 30th, 1839. 

Bro. Bennett: I now take an opportu- 
nity of writing a few lines, which may in- 
form you that I have just returned from a 
journey. 1 find there is a great commotion 
in the churches in the upper end of this 
Stale, in Hawkins, Greene, and Jefferson 
counties. Your paper was but very little 
circulated there. The subscribers on my 
list are scattered over a large boundary, and 
I cannot say whether they want their pa- 
pers continued or not. I have have seen 
some that want their papers continued, and 
some that do not — also anew subscriber. 

I am vours, &c. 


contained and set forth in the same. 1 
have not seen all the brethren and friends 
thai 1 wrote for last year, nor cannot tell 
whether they intend to continue or not. 
But vou will send on to the names and 
post offices in the scale below. 

I have nothing of interest sufficient to 
demand a place in your columns. I there- 
fore conclude by subscribing myself yours, 
iir gospel bonds. &c. 



Georgia, Muscogee county ) 
January 30/ h, 1839. \ 
Dear Bkethren: As agent for your 
Valuable paper, it becomes my duty to 
write and inform you, that there are~-yet 
some in this section of country that wish to 
read your paper; notwithstanding the op- 
posers of truth say so many hard things 
about it. And some new subscribers (as 
you will see in a list below) have become 
anxious to receive the information which is 


Chesnut Bill, Ga. Feb. 7. 1S39. 
Dear brother Bennett : We have 
received three numbers each of your Prim- 
itive Baptist. The brethren are well plea- 
sed with your paper. Nothing of impor- 
tance transpiring in this section at this 
time, 1 subscribe myself your brother in 
the bonds of the gospel. S. J. SLOAN. 


North Carolina. — .1. Biggs, Sen. Wil/iamsfon 

It. M. G. Moore, Germanton. W. W. Mizell, Ply> 

mouth. Jacob Swindell, Wasfdngton, James Sou'-» 

tlierland, Warrcnton. Alfred Partin, Raleigh. 

Charles Mason, Roxboro*. James Wilder, Art. 

der son's Store. Benj. Bynum, Speight's Bridge, J-L 

Ayera, JLverasboro? '. Parham Pucket, Richlandsv 

John H. Keneday, Chalk Level. Burwell Tern- 1 

pie, Wake count i/. Obadiah Sowell, Rogers' P. (L 

Geo. W. McNeely, Leaksville. David J. Mott, 

i Long Creek Bridge. Thomas Bagley, Smith fields 

j Stephen Rogers, Holly Spring. James H. Sasser, 

■ Waynesboro''. John fruit, Sandy Creek. L, B. 

j Bennett, Heathville. William J. Roberts, Buffalo 

\ Hill, Alfred Ellis, Strabane, Cor's Canaday, 

Cartereltsville, William Welch, Abbott's Creclu 

J. Lamb, Camden C. H. Allen Taylor, Junv 

Rocky Mount. Ai B. Bains, Ir. Stanhope. 

South Caholina. — Wm. Hardy, Saluda HjVJ 
James Hembree, Sen. Anderson C. H. Frederick 
Ross, Cambridge. B. Lawrence, Effingham • 
James Bums, Sen. Bold Spring. William SJ. 
Shaw, Rock Mills. Levi Lee, Blackville. 

Georgia. — William Moseley, Bear Creek. Al- 
len Cleveland, McDonough. A. B. Reid, Browns* 
ville. John McKenney, Forsyth. Anthony 
Holloway, Lagrange. Patrick M. Calhoun, Knox- 
ville. J. M. Rockmore, Mountain Creek, Rowell 
Reese, Eat onion. Tho's Amis, Lexington. Jona'n 
Neel, Macon. Charles P. Hansford, Union Hill* 
John W. Turner, Pleasant Hill. Joshua Bowdoin, 
Adairsville. R.Toler, Upatoie. Clark Jackson, Fort 
Gaines. John Gayden, Franklin. John S. Keith? 
Luthersville. P. H. Edwards, Georgetown. Wm« 
Trice, Thomaston. Wm. Bowden, Union Valley. 
Ezra VlcCrary, Warrcnton. Wiley Pearce, Cairo, 
G. W. Holifield, Vernon. B. Pace, Clean Town. 
Lewis Peacock, Cassvi/le. Vachal D. Whatley, 
Barnesville. Alex. Garden, Mount Morne. EliasO. 
Hawthorn, Baivbridge, J. G. Win.trip.gham, Hallot 



ca. Wnft-MrAnibar, Greenville: Randolph Arnold, 
Latimer's Store. Thomas J. Bazemore, Clinton. 
Jo-iiali Stovall, JlqnUlu. G. P. Cannon, Cullodeu- 
vilk. Jason Grier, fridian Springs. William 
Mc'Etvy, Mtapulgns. Furn'a Ivey, Millcdgevillei 
William Garrett, Col$o?i Riven Jesse Moore, 
Irwinton. Leonard Pratt, Wftitesville. Thomas 
A. Sullivan, Decatur. Thomas J. Johnson, New- 
nan. Israel Hendon, Shi\q, Rohert B. Maun, 
Chesnut Grove. V\ illinm Tippit, Cedar Branch. 
A. G. Simmons, Hickory 'Grove, John Lanhon, 
Chenuba. Thomas 0, Trice, BlUsbdro i John 
HeTingtcn, Welbbrn's Mills, John McCorquo- 
flale, Parchitala. James P-.-E1H6, PineviWe. Shu- 
mate J, Sloan, Chesnut Hill. French Haggard, 
Athens. Henry Barron, Jackson, John Murray, 
Fori Valley. Josiah Gresham, Uloy. Daniel O'- 
Neelj Fmvlton. John Applewhite, Waynesboro' \ 
J, B. Morgan, Friendship, Samuel Williams, 
Fair Flay. John Wayne. Cain's, 

Alabama.— L. B, Mosely, Cahawba. A. Kea- 
ton, McGonico. John Blackstone, La Fayette. W. 
W. Carlisle, Freuonia. Henry Dance, Daniel's 
Prairie. Wrfi. WlWallcer, Liberty Hill. Dan'] 
GafTord, Greenville. Samuel Moore, Snow- Hill. 
John G. Walker, Milton. Henry Williams, Ha-. 
pana. Samuel Clay, Mount Hebron. John F. Lo- 
vetl, Mount Pleasant, Elias Daniel, Church Hill, 
John Bonds, Clinton, David Johnston, Leighfon. 
A.'aiti McCreary, Brooklyn. Josiah Jones, Jack- 
son David Jacks, New Market. Sherfod W. 
Harris, Vienna. John McQueen, Graves' 1 Ferry. 
William Talley, Mount Moriahi Graddy Her- 
ring, Clayton. m G. 'W.Jeter, Pint Lain, Samuel 
CtJohnscm, Phasant Grove. William Crutclier, 
Huntsvi/le. W illiam Hi Cook, Pickensvi/le. 
Seaborn Hamrick. Plttntersville. Eli McDon- 
ald, Paynesville, William Melton, Bluf} Port. 
James Si Morgan, Dayton. Wmi Hyde, Gaines- 
ville, Rufus Daniel, Jameslon, A~nderson W. 
Bollard, Tusg/gee. Frederick Hities, Gastom 7„ 
Johns, Tiara, E, McDonald, Painsville. A. Mit- 
chell, Carter's Hill. WilLiam Powell, Youngs. 
vi]\e. James Hay, Wacooca,' . Silas Monk, Horse 
Shoe Bend, R. Lackey, Scraper. James F. Wat- 
son, Abbeville, 

Tennessee. — A. V. Farmer, Blair's Ferry. M. 
H. Sellers, Ten Mile. William Patrick, Poplar 
Comer. Michael Buckhalter, Cheeksville, Asa 
Biggs, Denmark. Tho's K. Clingan, Smith's X 
Roads. William E. Pope, Philadelphia. Aaron 
Complon, Somerviflc. Charles Henderson, Emery 
Iron WbrlcSi Asa Newport, Meesville. James 
Maul den, Van BureUi A. Burroughs, VVeshy. Wm. 
Croom, Jackson. Daniel Briggs, Decatur, Clem 
mons Sanders, Mount Vernon. Daniel Webb, 
Lexington. Sion Bass, Three Fo?-ks, John W. 
Springer, Sugar Creek. Smith Hanshrough, Jacks 
Creek, W 7 illiam Si Smith, Winchester. Isham 
Simmons, Calhoun. Thomas Hill, Scviervi/le. 
Ira E. Douthit, LyHShburg, C.T. Echols, Mifflin. 
Aaron Tison, Medon. Levi Kirkland, Waverly. 
Abner Steed, Fayeltcville, Henry Randolph, 
Snodysville. Pleasant E. Witt, Cheek's)*! Roads, 
Ji Cooper, Unionville. George Turner, Waverly. 
Michael Branson, Long Savannah. Jasi H. Hol- 
loway, Hazel Green, William McBee, Old Town 

Mississippi. — Jesse Battle, Meridiem Springs. 
Richmond Baines, Dailville Worsham Mann. 
Columbus. Silas Dobbs, Brooklyn. Henry Pet- 

ty, Zion. William Huddleston, Thomaston. Na- 
than Tims, Kosciusko. Jonathan D. Cain, Wa- 

FloridAi— James Alderman, China Grove, Da- 
vid Callaway, Cherry Lake. 

Louisiana. — Peter Bankston, Marburyvi/le. 

Missouri. — Calvin Newport, Springficid. 

Illinois* — Richard M. Newport, Grand View, 
James Marshall, Salem. Joel Ferguson, Danville. 

Inbiana. — Peter Saltzrrian, New Harmony. \. 
saac W, Denman, GaWalm, Zacliariah McClurej 
Terrc Haute, 

Ohio. — Joseph II. Flint, Hamilton. R. A. Mor- 
ton, Fa/fon. John B. Moses, Germanton, 

Kentucky. — Jona. ii. Parker, Salem. 

Virginia. — Kemug] C. Gilbert, Si/dnorsvillc, 
Rudolph Ilorer, Berger's Store. John Clark, Fre- 
\dericksburg. E. Harrison, Heningsville. Wm. 
; W. VV.est, Dumfries. Joseph II. Banes? Calland's. 
! William Burns, Halifax C, II, George W r . San- 
ford, Harrisonburg. Jesse Lankford, Bowers'si 
Elijah Hanshrough, Somerville. Wilson Daven- 
port, White Wouse, 

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State of 'Alabama, Butler county, \ 
January 29, 1S39. \ 
Brethren Editors: 1 have a desire to 
address a Few lines to yon, but hardly 
know how to commence. But I will in- 
form you, that I have b p en a subscriber to 
the Primitive Baptist for several years past, 

love to abound throughout the meeting. 
In short, dear brethren, the Lord appeared 
to be with the brethren and sisters general- 
ly, and where the Lord is, there appears 
to he a heavenly place. 

Through my affliction of rheumatism I 
must close, praying Hod to bless you all 
abundantly; and enable you through hi* 
rich grace and mercy to continue, to sted- 
fastly contend earnestly for the faith once 
delivered to the saints. 

Respectfully yours, &c. 


and can say to you that, it has been a source 

of great consolation to me to hear of so ' Extract from the Minutes of the first 

many precious brethren writing; on various »„;«„ lt f ih* mho<n**-i» to„„f;«t a„„„ 

ly prec 

subjects, and all contending earnestly for 
the doctrine of the apostles and prophets, 
Jesus Christ being the chief corner stone. 

I was sorry to learn that brother Ben- 
nett declined the editorial department of 
the Primitive Baptist, yet have too great a 

session of the Ebenezer Baptist Asso- 
ciation, held at Fort Dale meeting 
house, Butler county, Ala. from the 
1th to the 10th December, inclusive, 
A. D. 1838. 

11th. Resolved, That we attach to our 
Minutes the Circular Letter presented to 

pleasant source oi corresp 
dence among the precious brethren through- 
out these United States. 
' I wrote in October last, respecting the 
separation of our Association, and the ap- 
pointment of a meeting at the Fort Dale 
church in December, for the purpose of 



The Alabama Association, to the chur- 
ches of which she is composed, sendelh 

Dear Brethren and Sisters in 

forming a constitution; unincumbered with Christ— By the will of God we are ;. -,-,, 
the schemes and inventions of the day. I permitted to present you with another m- 
I herewith send a copy of the Minutes of nua l address, in which it is our purpose to 
Our meeting, which will g.ve a detail of our , direct your attention to a subject that you 

proceedings. The Association was organ- 
ized and held its first session at Fort Dale 
church, in two miles of my house; and was 
conducted in the most Christianlike man- 
ner I have seen in a number of years. 
Peace, union, and harmony appeared to 
flow from breast to breast, and brotherly 

may find in Jude, 3d verse, which reads as 
follows: "Btloved, when I gave all dili- 
gence to write unto you of the common sal- 
vation, it was needful for me to write unto 
you, and exhort you that ye should ear- 
nestly contend for the faith which was once 
delivered unto the saints." We also think 



it important to quote the next verse, in or- pocrisy, having their conscience sparest 
tier lo show the reason why the apostle 
so earnestly gave the above exhortation; 
for he sav's in the next verse, "for there 

with a hot iron." Also, in his second let- 
ter to Timothy, 3rd chapter, and from the 
1st to thf 7 h verses inclusive, he speaks 
are certain men crept in unawares, who more fully of what shall take place in lie 
were before of old oi dained to this conclem- i latter times; and in the nexl chapter, he 
nation, ungodly men, turning the grace of speaks of some who '-will not endure 
our God into lasciviousness, and denying serund doctrine; but afier their own lusts 
the only Lord God, and our Lot d Jesus j shall 'hey heap to themselves teachers r 
Christ." And now, it is 'he object of this having itching ears," &;• &c. 
Association, in the preseul audi ess, to give | Now, dgar brethren, from all the above 
a similar exhortation to the churches of quotations, we think tins is something 
which she is composed, ami for similar (worth contending for, and something that 
reasons as written above. Hut we do not you should contend against; and God's 
expect- to notice ever\ particular which we word is the standard around which you 
believe is contained in our subject, for our should rally, for in that you have all 
limits will not admit of our dwelling mi- I the testimony you need in contending for 
nutelv upon all that is contained in the a-jth'e faith which was once delivered unto 
hove passage of scripture. But we read, the saints. Also, you have all the testimo- 
for by grace are ye saved through faith; ny you need in contending against every 
and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of wind of doctrine which \ ou hear in the 
God; not of works, lest any man should . world; and also against the new schemes, 
boast; for we are his workmanship, ere a- or the inventions ot men, which have not 
ted in Christ Jesus unto good work>, which a "Thus saith the Lord" for them, and 
God hath before ordained, that we should which are common amongst the Baplistde- 
walk in them. Eph. ii.7, 8,9. nomination of the present day; and these 

And now, brethren, this will lead us to institutions, or societies, which are now so 
Speak of the faith of God's elect, Paul to common amongst the Baptists, we believe 
Titus, i. I,) that which is peculiar to the to be unauthorized,. and without foundation 
followers of God, (Eph. ii. 8.) with which in the ward of God; so that you see that it 
salvation is connected, which purifies the is, indeed, a time that ) ou should contend 
heart and works by love. This faith con- for the good old way, for faith is the sub- 
sists not only in the belief of the gospel re- stance of things hoped for, the evidence of 
velation of redemption, and salvation by things not seen. By faith tie elders ob- 
Christ alone; but, also, in a sole trust in, tained a good report; and without faith it 
and dependence on Christ, and the word is impossible to please God; tor he that 
ofhisgtace, for elernal life, as you may r cometh to God, must believe that he is, 
read in Isaiah, xxvi. 4, which reads thus: and thai he is arewarderof them that dili- 
"Trust ye in the Lord forever, for in the gently seek him. 

Lord Jehovah is everlasting strength." As regards the society to which we have 
Then, surely, this faith is worth contending alluded, we feel assured that it did not ex- 
for. But some may ask, in what way ist among the primitive saints; for the Sa- 
must we contend tor tois precious faith? viour, when on earth, did s* ■ i i cT out seven- 
In answer to that, we exhort you to search ty disciples, two and two together, and told 
Ihe scriptures, for in them ye think them to take neither purse, nor script, nor 
ye have eternal life, and they are they shoes, &c which evidently proves to us, 
which testify of me, as you may read that w hen the Lord calls men to preach 
in John, v. 39. And you will find in that the gospel, they should not confer with 
blessed volume, and in the language of our flesh and blood, but that they should go 
Saviour, that there shall arise lalse Christs, lorih as lambs amongst wolves, and that 
and false prophets, and shall show great they should not rejoice, because the devils 
signsand wonders, insomuch that if it were are suhjeci unto them, through the name of 
possible they shall deceive the very elect the Lord, but they are rather to rejoice 
And Paul, in his first letter to Timothy, | that their names are written in heaven, as 
4l h chapter and 1st and 2nd verses, says: ' jou ran read in Luke, x. also Mat. x. and 
'>Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that ! Mark vi. Again, we find that when Peter 

in the latter times some shall depart from 
Ihe faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, 

and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hy- not by the direction ol men. We also find, 


went to the house of Coi >e!ius, that it vva» 
by direction of the Spirit oi the Lord, and 


tViat when "Paul and Barnabas were sent to f cions blood of the Son of God, who loved 

the Gentiles, that they were sent by the 
church which was at Antioch, who fasted 
and prayed; and the Holy Ghost suid, se- 
parate me, Barnabas and Saul, for the work 
whereunto I have called them. Acts, xiii. 
Surely then, it is obvious to every one, that 
in the apostolic day, it was the church of 
Christ, under the influence of the Holy 
Ghost, that sent out ministers to preach 
the gospel to the heathen world, and not by 
what are called missionary societies in the 
present day. Moreover, brethren, we find 
in the 8th chapter of the Acts of the Apos- 
tles, an account of Simon, who bewitched 
the people of Samaria, givingout that him- 
self was some great one, to whom they all 
gave heed from the least to the greatest, 
saying, this man is the great power of 
God; and at that time there was a great 
persecution in Jerusalem, and they that 
were scattered abroad on account of the 
persecution, went every where preaching 
the word. Then came Philip down to the 
city of Samaria, ami preached Christ unto 
them; and the people, with one accord, 
gave heed unto the things which Philip 
spake, hearing and seeing the miracles 
which he did. Now, brethren, you disco- 
ver that Simon's witchcraft was exposed 
by ihe preaching of the gospel; so that 
there was only one course left for him to 
pursue, which was to believe and be bapti- 
zed, in order that he might have a name 
amongst the true believers in Christ; and 
he continued with Philip, and wondered 
when he beheld the miracles which were 
done. Now, when the apostles which 
were at Jerusalem heard of all this, they 
sent down Peter and John, who, when 
they were come, prayed for them, that 
they might receive the Holy Ghost. And 
now, brethren, behold, this believer is try- 
ing to deceive the people of God. He 
now offers them money; and tried to buy 
this power, that on whomsoever (he says) 
1 lay hands, he may receive the Holy 
Ghost. But the apostles had not so learn- 
ed Christ ; and Peter says to him, thy mo- 

us, and gave himself for us. Now, we 
think proper to remark here, that we aw- 
fully fear that there some in the present 
day, that have a name amongst the Baptist 
denomination, who are possessed with the 
same principle that many were possessed 
with in the apostolic day, who think that 
gain is godliness; and from such withdraw 
thyself, says Paul to Timothy. 

O, brethren, the time would fail us, to 
tell you of the seven sons of Sceva, and of 
Demetrius, and the craftsmen, and many 
others that we have an account of in the 
Book of God. And these things we do not 
tell you, because you do not know them, 
bu! because you do know them, and we 
wish to be co workers with you, in putting 
these things from amongst us, that we may 
lead a peaceable and a quiet life, as in for- 
mer d;iys, when there were no Missionary 
Societies amongst us, for then you could 
meet together at. your churches. You were 
all of the same mind, and all spoke the same 
thing; hut now, we find that these happy 
times have gone by, for when the brethren 
and sisters meet together in the present 
day, and one speaks after this manner, and 
another after that, and some will occupy a 
middle ground, so that you see your lan- 
guage has become confounded, and your 
condition a very unhappy one. Moreover, 
as long as you tolerate a system amongst 
you that is unauthorized in the Word of 
God, you cannot expect any better times, 
because the spirit and the flesh are contra- 
ry one to the other. 

And now for a moment let us notice the 
language of some of the votaries of the 
new system. They say, God complains — 
my people perish for the lack of knowl- 
edge. They also say, that if we urge on 
the mighty cause of Education, Bible and 
Tract distribution, and through Missionary 
effort, we know that the millenial day will 
soon dawn upon the world. They entreat 
you to hasten; for if we pause — if we he- 
sitate — people will perish forever. Upon 
the above language we design not to com- 

ney perish with thee. Peter perceived j ment; but only to remark, that we hope 
that by his wishing to buy this power, he ! there is not an individual in the Alabama 
was in the gall of bitterness and in the | Association, that believes that God's hand 
bond of iniquity. Now, brethren, sup- I is shortened that he cannot save. Will 
pose Simon could have purchased this | you hear the language of the Almighty, iu 
power with money, would he not have re- ! setting forth his eternal power and god- 
quired of people pay for his services ren- 1 head? He says, I am he that liveth and 
dered to them? and in that way he would i was dead, and behold 1 am alive for ever- 
teach the people, that they are redeemed i more. Amen. 1 hold the keys of death 
with silver and gold, instead of the pre- 1 and of hell. But again: we are told by 



some, that we need an improved ministry; 
or, in other words, an educated ministry. 
As to the Education, we know no abjec- 
tion, provided the man receives it before 
he is called lothe ministry ; for Pan! says, 
1 Cor. vii. 20, Let every man abide in the 
same calling wherein he was called. It is 
slso said, that pious men that are called ol 
God to preach his gospel — that they, in 
their ignorance, will ordain other ignorant 
men, and in that way a great deal of harm 
will be done. Oh, what an insult to Dei- 
ty, that men should say that God has no 
power to qualify men for the ministry after 
he has called them! We know that he has 
all power in heaven and in earth; and that 
he had power to enable the apostles, who 
were also called ignorant and unlearned 
men, to preach to the astonishment of the 
devout Jews, which were at Jerusalem, 
from out of every nation under heaven. 
But we find that we are like to swell our 
le.ter beyond what we intended; for since 
we began to write we find we could fill a 
volume with the reasons why \ou should 
contend for that precious faith which was 
on. e delivered unto the saints, and which 
was delivered to you, and wherein you 
star d. This oniy would we learn of you, 
having begun in the Spirit, are you now 
made perfect by the flesh; which is the 
language of Paid to the Gallafians, when 
he found they had departed from the faith. 
But some may suppose that we are op 
posed to the support of the gospel, from the 
remarks which we have made; hut to the 
contrary. We know it is the duty of eve- 
ry Christian to contribute to the support of 
the gospel; but we do not believe that hir- 
ing preachers by the year was the practice 
in the apostles' day; neither do we believe 
that it is supporting the gospel, in the strict 
sense of the word. But we give our views 
in the scripture language, as you will find 
in Peter's first general epistle, 5th chapter, 
which reads thus: The elders which are a- 
mong you 1 exhort, who am also an elder 
and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, 
and also a partaker of the glory that shall 
be revealed. Feed the flock of God which 
is among you, taking the oversight there- 
of, not by constraint, but willingly ; not for 
filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; neither 
as being lords over God's heritage, but be- 
ing ensamples to the flock. i\ow, breth 
ren, we have Peter's language, which 
ehould be a sufficient admonition to every 
minister. And on the other hand, we 
h*ve Paul's views as regards the duty of 

the church, as you may read in Paul's first 
letter to the Corinthians, and the ninth 
chapter, which is too lengthy to be here 
inserted, and which we hope the churches 
will read, and that they will take the ad- 
monition of i he apostle as regards their du- 
ty in that matter. So then, when your 
course is finished in this world, and your 
duties, and your troubles are over, you 
will go to receive a crown of glory which 
will not fade away. And we pray you to 
stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ 
hath made you free, and be not entangled 
again with the yoke of bondage. 

We now commend you lo God, and to 
the word of his grace, which is able to 
build you up, and to give you an inheritance 
among all them that are sanctified. Amen* 


Houston county, Georgia, 7 
December 3rd, 1838. 5 

Dear brother Bennett; 1 am just old 
enough to have a faint recollection of the 
pleasant seasons that the churches enjoyed,- 
when the humble followers of Christ were 
united, and the ministers of the gospel 
were under no control of a board to direct 
their course; but went where the spirit 
hade them, teaching none other tilings 
than those which our Saviour and his apos- 
ties taoght. No bin lings to form mission- 
ary societies, no begging ol money lo edu- 
cate young men for the ministry, or to send 
the gospel to the heatiien, or to pay for the 
printing of bibles under the pretence of 
giving to the poor and afterwards selling 
i hem; and a great many more schemes to 
fill their pockets with lucre. But thus 
saith the Lord: Go ye into all the world, 
and preach the gospel to every creature; 
he that believelh and is baptised shall be 
saved; but he that believelh not, shall be 
damned — freely ye have received, freely 

Thus, in obedience to the command of 
their heavenly master, who had qualified, 
called and sent them, would they take their 
journey to preach the gospel, fiom the ex- 
press declaration of Jesus Christ, Matt. 10. 
9, 10: Provide neither goid, nor silver, nor 
brass in your purses, nor scrip for your 
journey; neither two coals, neither shoes, 
nor yet staves: for the workm >n is worthy 
of his meat, and the laborer of his hire. 
Luke, 10. 9. Nothi' g was heard about 
what are now termed benevolent institu- 
tions; the children of God could rejoice, 


wtien sifting under the sound of the gos- 
pel which was preached unto them; not in 
the words which men's wisdom teaefaeth, 
but in the spirit and power of God. But 
those pleasant. seasons were not long to be 
enjoyed unmolested, Gala. 34, and that he- 
cause of false brethren unawares bro't in, 
who came in privily to spy out our liberty, 
which we have in Christ Jesus, that they 
might bring us into bondage. Jude speak- 
ing of them says: These are murmurers, 
complniners, walking afier lheir own lust, 
and their mouth speaketh great swelling 
words, having men's persons in admiration 
because of advantage. (See Jude from the 
12th to the 23d verse.) And for a further 
description of them, see Paul's 2nd epistle 
to Timothy, 3rd chapter down to the close 
of the 8th verse, which says- Now as Jan- 
«es and Jambres withstood Moses, so do 
these also resist the truth. 

But I will forbear quoting scripture at 
present to give a description of them, and 
recommend you to the good old admonition 
for which we f-el thanUful to God, that 
there are some that have taken a decided 
stand against all the lucrative and unscrip- 
tural institutions of the day. Now to the 
improved Baptist ministry, the necessity 
of qualifying young men for the ministry, 
&c. ; such phrases have become familiar 
from the frequent use that is made of them, 
whilst every argument possible is used to 
settle it upon the minds of the human fami- 
ly, that such is of divine authority and 
consequently demands their support; which 
doctrine has no foundation in the scrip- 
tures either of the Old or New Testament, 
but is of human invention and has its foun- 
dation in ihe bosom of an aspiring priest- 
hood. In the first place, we purpose to 
notice the method of qualifying ministers 
of the gospel; and first a fund is to be rai 
t>ed, for without money the machine would 
not go; and in order to raise the desired 
and all-important fund, runners are em- 
ployed who perhaps are as well skilled in 
weeping, as were the women in Jeremiah's 
day, Lamentations; bewailing the wretched 
situation of the heathen, and the scarcity of 
efficient ministers to fill important places — 
all for the want of money. While from 
east to west, both men and women are call- 
ed upon to aid the cause of God, by giving 
money either to Missionary, Bible, Tract, 
Temperance, and Sunday School societies, 
or to the education fund of the Baptist 
Convention; for it makes but little differ- 

ence to which it is given, as they all emp- 
ty into the same bag at last. At length a 
fund is raised and the machine commences 
its operation of qualifying ministers of the 
gospel. These must first produce a certi- 
ficate from the church, and also (heir call 
to the ministry. They are then examined 
before the board on their experience. Thus 
God must first call, and man qualify and 
thus in the strongest terms impeach the wis- 
dom and power of God, for calling such to 
preach as are not competent to the work 
vvhereunto he hath called them, and are 
setting op the wisdom and power of man 
above that of God. For which is the great- 
est, to call a man to perform a piece of 
work, or to qualify him to do the work? 
and which requires the most wisdom, to 
call or to qualify? Certainly it requires 
more wisdom to teach and qualify, than to 
call. But as an argument to prove the ne- 
cessity of educating those whom God hath 
called to the ministry, we are told that lear- 
ning is necessary in all other professions; 
and further, that if we have a suit in court, 
we secure the services of the most learned 
and skilful lawyer, even at a much greater 

Our modern Bable builders, having en- 
tirely failed of thus saith the Lord to sup- 
port their doctrines, find themselves very 
much established from the consideration of 
the above argument; not only in educating 
young men for the ministry, but also in 
their justificition of receiving the greater 
prices for their services. But if the above 
argument is to be taken as an evidence to 
prove the necessity of educating the minis- 
ters then, agreeably to their theory, we 
mean those who are advocates for remodel- 
ling the ministers of the gospel, the prea- 
ching of the gospel is a trade. For it is 
evident, that where there is a profession 
made of learning, whether it is lawyer or 
doctor, or any other profession made of 
learning, it is for the purpose of earning a 
livelihood, and their qualifications lor their 
profession secure to them employment. 
Then if the preaching of the gospel is to be 
converted into a trade, perhaps it would be 
beneficial to educate those ministers thus 
employed; but yet the necessity of educa- 
ting those whom God hath previously 
called to the ministry, does not appear 
from- the above argument; for if so, not- 
withstanding our suit was pending in court 
and our lawyer employed, we should have 
to give him suitable qualifications before 
he could attend to our suit, which would 



bespeak ignorance in the employer or throw 'embassy a foreign court was to have them 

contempt on those judges, who had previ 
ously examined and licensed said lawyer. 

A second argument in favor of a learned 
ministry is, that if we are dangerously ill, 
we secure the attendance of the most skil- 
ful physician within our reach. The ahove 
argument is brought forward to evidence 
the necessity of improving or bettering the 
ministers of the gospel; which argument 
does not atlbrd the least shadow of evi- 
dence. P'or if so, notwithstanding we were 
dangerously ill and had called for a physi- 
cian, he would first have to be examined 
and if" found to be a physician, might then 
be destitute of the requisite qualifications. 
And by the time he had received the ne- 
cessary qualifications, his patient might be 
past a cure, or his mind so confused by this 
new method of making physicians, as not 
to administer his medicine in its purity, 
and the consequences might be dangerous. 
Equally so With regard to the ministers of 
the gospel, if they should give into the idea 
of men's qualifying ministers of the gospel; 
they might get their language defiled and be- 
come so much contaminated with the wisdom 
of this world, as not to preach the gospel in 
its purity; but adulterate it with men's 
wisdom so much, that instead of its prov- 
ing a savor of life, it might prove a savor of 
death; while they cry peace, peace, when 
there is no peace. 
A third argument, equally as weak as those 

examined before a committee concerning 
their qualifications, and afterwards under- 
take to qualify them to their own liking; 
would it not be throwing contempt not on- 
ly upon the embassador, but much more 
upon our government? would it not be an 
impeachment of the wisdom of our gov* 
ernment, for a foreign court to a'tempt 
such a thing, and would it not arouse the 
spirit of our nation and call forth their in- 
dignation for revenge upon such intruders? 
Certainly it would. And who sends the 
ministers of the gospel? is it the people, the 
church, or is it God? The answer is, that 
it is God who sends them. Well, if God 
sends them, against whom should we com- 
plain? hath he not as much power to send 
men every way qualified as our govern- 
ment has, and would it not. be a si range 
proceedure for our government to call and 
send embassadors, and leave it for others to 
qualify them? every reasonable mind will say 
that it would. And why? because so much 
depends upon the embassy And would it 
not be strange, and passing strange, for 
God to call and send his embassadors, and 
leave it for men to qualify them? And 
why? because so much depends upon the 
embassy on which every minister of Christ 
is sent, and also from the inability of men 
to qualify; as you may read in 1st Cor. ii. 
14: But the natural man receiveth not the 
things of the Spirit of God: for they are 

above is, that ministers are embassadors for i foolishness unto him: neither can he know 
Christ, and that we should complain if our them, because they are spiritually discern- 

government should send embassadors to 
foreign powers who were illiterate and ig- 
norant of the principles of our government; 
when at the same time, they might have 
sent men every way qualified. We admit 
that ministers are embassadors for Christ, 
and their language is, be ye reconciled to 
God; but instead of being reconciled to 
God, we find such God-dishonoring argu- 
ments brought forward to blind the minds 
of men, and thereby to evidence the neces- 
sity of qualifying, or r< modelling those 
whom God has previously qualified by the 
effectual working of his mighty power. 
But against whom should we complain, if 
government should send embassadors who 
were not competent? against ihe embassa- 
dor or the government? The answer is, 
against the government; for they might 
have sent men every way qualified. But 
suppose our government sends embassa- 
dors, such as meet the approbation of our 
government, and after they arrive with the 

ed. In this text you may see, that it is not 
in the power of the natural man to teach, 
nor to receive the things of the Spirit. 
And the 10th verse of the same chapter 
shows in what manner this spiritual know- 
ledge is communicated, which savs: But 
God hath revealed them unto us bj- his Spi- 
rit, for the Spirit searcheth all things; yea, 
the deep things of God. What more is 

Again: It is said that the scriptures re- 
quire an improved ministry, and that our 
Saviour instructed his disciples three years 
before he gave them their commission. If 
what is meant by the scriptures requiring 
an improved ministry is to be understood, 
that they should not teach for hire nor di- 
vine for money, neither teach for doctrine 
the commandments of men, then we eon- 
cur in the declaration; but if the idea in- 
tended to be conveyed is, that the scrip- 
tures require a learned ministry, we must 
say, that the idea is erroneous and contrary 



tOTevealed truth; as may be seen from the ' 
following scriptures: J<>b-~-He laketh the 
wise in iheir own craftiness. Is! Cor : 
Bui God hath chosen the foolish things of 
the world to confound the wise, and God 
hath chosen the weak things of the world 
to confound the things which are mighty; 
and base things of the world, and things 
which are despised ha'h God chosen; vea, 
and things which are not, to bring to nought 
things that are. And anolher scripture 
says, that no flesh should glory in his pre- i 
seuce. And as for our Saviour's instruct- ! 
inghis disciples three ) ears before he gave ; 
the.ni their commissions, we have no objec- [ 
tion; for it follows, that he did not give 1 
them their commissions and leave them for 
men to qualify; but taught them himself,; 
as he also does his disciples For the scrip- j 
turps saj , all thy children shall be taught 
of the Lord. But it cannot be proven, j 
that one of his disciples had a hook during 
the three yens. Perhaps it would be much 
easier to prove, that treasurer Judas had 
the hag and bore what, was put into it, and 
that he made a considerable complaint be- 
cause of the ointment that was put upon our 
Saviour; as many of his successors also 
have done on similar occasions, making use 
of his favorite text: wherefore is all this 
waste? But it is said again, that Paul 
charged Timothy on two occasions to give 
himself to study. We answer, he d-id; but 
he did not say, go to school; but to study 
the scriptures. 

Having noticed a few of the arguments 
brought forward in favor of educating those 
whom God hath called to the ministry, we 
shall in the next place bring forward a few 
texts of scripture and lump them together, 
winch I think will set forth God's method 
of making ministers We have seen from 
the above arguments men's method of ma- 
king ministers, which is first for God to 
call and man to qualify; but this is not 
God's method, as we shall try to show 
from the scriptures. And first: For my 
thoughts are not your thoughts, neiiherare 
your ways my ways, saith the Lord — for 
after that in the wisdom of God the world 
by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God 
by the foolishness of preaching to sa\ e them 
that believe — and no man taketh this honor 
unto hin.self but he that is called of God, 
as was also Aaron. Many more texts to the 
point might be added, but that God calls 
and qualities is evident from what Peter 
.says about it: For the prophecy crime not 
;n old time by the will of men, but holy 

men of God spake as they were moved up- 
on by the Holv Ghost. Paul agrees with 
Peter, and says: Which things also we 
speak, not in the words which men's wis- 
dom teachcth, hut which the Holy Ghost 
teache h— comparing spiritual things with 
Spiritual. Again: For the spirit searchcth 
all things, yea, the deep things of God. 
Luke: Fori will give \ ou a mouih and 
wisdom, which all your adversaries shall 
not be able to gainsay nor resist. 1 Gal. 
11. 12: But I certify you, brethren, that 
the gospel which was pre lehedtaf me is not 
after man, fori neither received it of man, 
neither was 1 taught it, but. by the revela- 
tion of Jesus Christ. The scripture is 
plain upon this subject, for if holv men 
spake as they were moved upon by the 
Hoi) Gho<t, and thp apostles spake not in 
the words which men's wisdom leacheth, 
but which the Holy Ghost leacheth, the 
idea of improving the ministers or educa- 
ting young men for the ministry is of mo- 
dern invention, and is not warranted from 
scriptuie; consequently, it is an evil impo- 
sed upon the people, and money is the ob- 
ject, for the love of money is the root 
of all evil. 


Athens. Ga. Jan. 28tk, 1 39. 
Dear brethren Editors: I think the 
Old School Baptists in Georgia are gaining 
strength, although surrounded by a host of 
missionary hirelings and their understrap- 
pers. I send you a few lines of poetry I 
received from an old brother in the hill 
country. If \ ou see cause to publish it, I 
should be glad to see it in print. Brother 
J. Lawrence can examine it, and see if it 
will help Tom Thumb to pull off the 
sheepskin; if not, throw it by. 

1st. Some say, that there is no baptism but that 
of the Holy Ghost; 

But as I am taught by the scriptures, I can prove 
to the reverse. 
! The Holy Ghost fell on the people, when Peter 

was preaching- the word, 
' Then Peter commanded baptism, to them in the 
name of the Lord. 

2nd. Saul he was a great persecutor, against the 
disciples of God; 

He went to the priest and got letters, and cheer- 
fully went on his road; 

But as he drew near to Damascus, before to the 
city he came, 

A light shone around him from heaven, in bright- 
ness exceeding the suni 

3rd. He fell to the ground, heard a voice saying, 
why persecutest thou me? 

Then Saul he began to enquire, as though some 
one he did see, 



I am Jesns whom thou persecutcst, why perse- 
cutest thou so? 

Tis hard for ihee to be striving against what you 
can't overthrow. 

4th. Then Saul he began to inquire, Lord, what 

wilt thou have me to do? 
Aiise, and go into the city, and it shall be told 

unto you. 
He did'nt say, Go, join some profession — 'tis no 

matter what way you go — 
But you shall be taught in the city, by my word 

what you shall dd 

5th. Ananias, as he was appointed, a teacher of 

Saul for to be, 
The Spirit it bid him go to him, in scripture you 

plainly may see; 
Go, search in the streets of the city, in the house 

of one Judas doth lay, 
A man who is called Saul of Tarsus, behold unto 

me he doth pray. 

6thi Ananias he laid his hands on him, and said 

unto him, brother Saul, 
The Lord even Jesus hath sent me, that scales 

from thine eyes may falli 
We have it from Paul's own confession, Ananias 

unto him did say, 
Arise and be ye baptized, for the washing of thy 

6ins awayi 

?thi As the Eunuch and Philip were talking toge- 
ther concerning the Lamb, 

An$ as they rode on in their chariot, thus near to 
a water they came; 

The Eunuch crie-l out unto Philip, behold here is 
water we see, 

What then is the cause that doth hinder, that I 
should not baptised be 1 ? 

8lhi They both went down into the water, and 

when they came out on the shore, 
The Spirit caught away Philip, the Eunuch he 

saw him no more; 
He went on his way rejoicing, believing in Jesus' 

By this be surely felt comfort, when out of the 

water lie came. 

9th. John he was baptising in Enon, because 
there was much water there; 

Which proves the way of immersion, to me evi- 
dently aitd cleari 

John nevgr had water brought to him, in scripture 
we don't understand, 

Nor was he baptising the people, wjth what he 
could hold in his hand. 

10th. We are buried with him bybaptisrn* Ohow 

can you get over this! 
Or how can you bury a man with a handfull of 

dirt in his face? 
Or how can you say you are washed, when you 

are not all over clean] 
How can you come out of the water, when none 

but your faces went in? 
Jlth. When Jesus was with his disciples, and in 

his arms took up a child, 
|f he'd have said bring- me some water, and let me 

this infant baptise; 
Then I would believe in your method, and I 

would have mine sprinkled ton; 
And if you have any proof for it, I wish unto me 

yesu would show. 

12th. Jesus sanctified the water, also Banctitletl 

the tomb; 
He sanctified them for believers, for out of them 

both he did come. 
When lesus was baptised in Jordan, the Spirit 

came down like a dove, 
A voice saying, I am well pleased, in Jesus the 

Son of my love. 

13th. The people believed Philip's preaching, he 

bapised women and men; 
He did not baptise their infants, because he could 

not teach them. 
You make void the commandments of heaven, and 

follow traditions of men — 
These words Jesus spake to the pharisees, as he 

was talking with them. 

1 subscribe myself yours, in love. 



Claiborne county, Tennessee, 
February 20th, 1839. 

Dear brethren in Christ: We have 
had the satisfaction of perusing some of 
your productions, and are highlv pleased 
with the Primitive Baptist. We have spo- 
ken to some of our H;< pttst brethren lo have 
them sent on to us, but for some cnuse un- 
known to us, they have failed to send 
I hem; which lias been the principal cause 
we have not wrote on sooner. We wish 
you to send us the papers, that is, one each, 
that we can sit and read at our own fire- 
sides, and none to make us afraid. 

We belong to the Powel's Valley Asso- 
ciation and we feel to give you a small 
sketch of her situation. She has been so 
much infested with this new religion, that 
has so lately made its appearance, that 
those brethren and sisters that did not wish 
to have the new way for their guide, and 
supercede the necessity of trusting alone iri 
free grace, that we became so much confu- 
sed that twelve months ago last August we 
dropped all correspondence with all Asso- 
ciations. And since that time there have 
been divisions in churches and in such a 
way, that the missionary and tempe- 
rance society part have, entirely become 
separated from those that stand upon the 
old principles that they were predicated 
upon. And those missionaries are making 
in appearance great havoc in our churches, 
yet we believe it is all for the better; for 
whenever an ox stalls often with a load, 
we do not think he is of any account; and 
when we see Baptists stalling at the doc- 
trine of election and running afier those 
missionaries and choking, saying, it is a 



hard saying, who can hoar it; we think 
they a r e no) worth having 'heir names re- 
corded in our church book«. 

Now, dear brethren, pleise send on the 
papers, and we are ready to comply with 
the terms and will take pleasure in doing 
so Your earliest attentinn is solicited by 
your brethren in gospel bonds. 




SATURDAY, APRIL 13, 1839, 

Lord keep us in the hounds of truth, that 
when we are done with this mode of exist- 
ence we may reach the hippy climes of 
glory, where we may bathe in seas of hea- 
venly rest, is my prayer fir Christ's sake. 
Amen. B. WOOD ELL. 


Johnston county, N. Carolina, 
February 26th, 1839. 

Brethren Editors: 1 take the privi- 
lege of informing you, that I want your 
papers another year, though somewhat dif- 
ficult in getting them, there being so much 
history in the world. For the scriptures 
inform us, that the rich man and the poor 
man both died, and then what? why we 
have no account that the rich man was car- 
ried by the angels. Now we have no ac- 
count that they thought enough of the poor- 
man even to bury him; but blessed be 
God he was taken care of, and God will 
take care of all his poor, humble, penitent 
creatures. But the rich man could be bu- 
ried, and no doubt but in great splendor 
too; but where did he go? In hell he lift- j 
,ed up his eyes, being in torment, and saw | 
Lazarus afar off in Abraham's bosom, and ' 
cried out, father Abraham, send Lazarus to 
dip the tip of his finger in water to cool 
his parched tongue. It could not be ad- 
mitted, but Abraham said, son, remember 
that in yonder world thou had the good 
things and Lazarus evil things; but now he 
is comforted, and thou art tormented. He j 
then begged father Abraham to send Lnza? 
rus to warn his brethren, for he had five, 
lest thev come into this place of torment. 
Abraham exclaimed, they have Moses and 
the prophets, let them hear them. 

Yes, indeed, for I thought that if we 
would not hear the scriptures, we would 
not hear one though he arose from the dead. 
But reading a few numbers of the Primi- 
tive Baptist, I found they were consoling 
to the Christian. It does my heart good 
Jo hear of the distant brethren all over the 
country, contending for that precious faith 
once delivered unto the saints. May the 

TO editors primitive baptist. 

Henry county, Virginia, \ 
\2th March, 1839. 5 

Brethren Editors: I have received 
your valuable papers ever since last April, 
ami am well pleased with the doctrine con- 
tained therein; as they seem to hold forth 
truth and detect error, which I believe the 
Lord's people will do, and which I believe 
is their duty to do, and to speak often one 
to another, and to comfort one another. 
For the Lord says, comfort ye my people, 
saiili your God. 

And as for the ocean of missionaries, and 
men made and devil constituted societies, 
I am of opinion that they will not last; ak 
though the Lord may suffer that ocean in 
the time of this great tempest to toss the 
ship containing the little flock, till they 
may think they are almost ready to sink, 
and may cause them to cry aloud, Lord, 
save or we perish. Then the Lord will 
rebuke them, and there will be a great 
calm. Then shall the Son of Righteous- 
ness arise, wiih healing in his wings; and 
they that are wi;h him in the ship of safe- 
ty, shall grow and thrive as calves of the 

1 think, brethren, that the Baptists here 
seem to stand firm. I shall not say Old 
School Baptists, for I read of but one Lord, 
one faith, one baptism. I think we have 
the gospel preached to us in its purity. 
Our watchmen stem to be faithful. I 
think they preach to us Jesus — not a pait 
Jesus and part man. 

May the Lord bless and strengthen and 
establish you in all truth, is my prayer for 
Christ's sake. HARDIN NANCE. 

TO editors primitive baptist. 

Blackville, So. Carolina, > 
March 10, 1S39. 5 
Dear Brethren: I again have the plea-r 
sure to send you the names of six new sub- 
scribers. Please forward them your pa- 
per, and as soon as they receive the first 
copy I then will forward you the amount. 
I also am happy to find your paper lakes 



in this section of our country as it does, 
especially by the Old School. 

1 remain yours in the bonds of love. 


Georgia, Troitp comity, 
March 1th, 1839. 

Brethren Editors : I went to the 
post office in Lagrange last Tuesday and 
inquired for letters and papers, and the 
postmaster handed me a tract or pamphlet 
directed to Elder and Deacons of Lebanon 
church, Troup county, Georgia. I took 
it, and on examination I found it was titled, 
Efficiency of the Press in Burmah. And 
when I read the piece through, I found 
that it was published by the committee of 
the American Tract Society; and I found 
that the design was to get money, by tell- 
ing us the great good they had (done by 
publishing and distributing tracts. And 
speaking of their different modes of opera- 
tion they say, each of these departments af- 
fords an easy method of presenting divine 
truth to the minds of many who would be 
reached in no other way. Now we do not 
believe that doctrine, therefore are not 
willing to give our money for the support 
of those things. 

This thing was printed in New York, 
and we live a long ways from that place that there is no new thing under the sun,) 
and do not know the folks that send ihem I can onlv find it in the conduct of Ishmael, 
to us; therefore, brethren, if you sin uld , Balaam, Micah's priest, Jezebel's prdph- 
see any of them, tell them that Lebanon ''■ e ts, and all the prophecies both in the Old 
church does not pay money to support no I and New Testament, both of the coming 
such things; and if the}' will desist sending j and progress of antichrist. If I am wrong 
us their publications, it will save ihem \\ n m \ judgment, I trust that God will for 

the favor, by giving you some account of 
the times with us; and also to stir up your 
pure minds to give all diligence to the sev- 
eral duties that jour Lord has enjoined on 

And first, I will inform you, that cold- 
ness and barrenness of soul in some degree 
prevail among the churches, yet union and 
brotherly love abound. The spirit of an- 
tichrist, has done but little more than scat- 
ter a few seeds of discord among us. but 
die most of them appear to have fallen on 
a barren soil, or at least on ground that was 
not congenial to its kind, and therefore 
have abided alone. The Old Fashioned 
Predestinarian Baptists in this country ap- 
pear more and more confirmed in the opin- 
ion, that the mission schemes and plans are 
a system of peculation and priestcraft. 
The above opinion is substantially eviden- 
ced to my mind by their own writings; for 
I have been leading the Biblical Recorder 
and Southern Watchman ever since last 
spring, (1 have read thirty-six numbers of 
the above paper.) and I have tried to put 
the most charitable construction on their 
efforts that I possibly could, and have l.ho't 
that it might possibly be that the Lord was 
in it, and if so we ought not to oppose it, 
least we should be fighting against God; 
but when I bring them to the word of God 
and search for its likeness, (remembering 

some trouble and us the expense of post- 
age, &c. 

I am, dear brethren, vours, as ever. 


Marion county, Tennessee, 
Feb. 1th, 1839. 
strangers scattered through all the Uni- 
ted Slates and Territories, and to the 
elect Lady and her children, sendeth 
greeting: — 


Your unworthy brother having been much 
refreshed and encouraged in these perilous 
times, bv your communications to me thro' 
the Primitive Bapiist, I have thought per- 
haps it was my duty to endeavor to return 

give me and rectify me: but with the above 
opinion, I come to the second thing propo- 

1st. Ye ministers of Jesus Christ, know 
ye that ye are set on the walls of Zton as 
sentinels to watch for the approach of the 
enemv: and should a watch be unfaithful 
to his trust, the enemy will get v/i'hin the 
camp and surprise the army. Therefore, 
suffer your unworthy brother to say to you, 
Lift up your voices like trumpets, cry aloud 
and spare not. Show to Israel her trans- 
gressions, and Jacob his.; and also when 
the Assyrian shall tread in our palaces, 
(churches,) lift up the seven shepherds, 
(principal prophets,) and eight principal 
men, (apostles' writings;) be faithful in the 
cause you have espoused, for much of the 
safety and health of Israel's camp depends 
on you. You are the church's eye, moutji 



and hand; and remember, if thou seest the 7 is much division in opinion on these things 
Lord coming and warn not the people, am! 
the Lord come and any of the people be ta- 
ken, their hlood will be required at your 
hand. But if thou should sound the alarm taught by men or devils. So I close with 
and they will not hear, and if any be taken, i the words of the poet, after recommending 
then their blood will be on the ; rown heads, you all to the book of God for counsel. 

here. So, dear brethren, let us endeavor 
to hold fast to what we are taught in God's 
word, and flee every evil, though it. be 

2nd. Deacons, see to vour mims'ers, 
you are their helpers; let them not fail to 
discharge their duty to the church and 
the world for want of your aid. Exhort 
your brethren the laity to help with their 
carnal things and prayers. 

Dear brethren all, abound in the work of 
the Lord, knowing that your labor of love 
is not in vain in the Lord. 

I must close for want of paper, my sheet 
ull. Farewell in love. 



Here's heavenly food for hungry souls, 
And mines of gold t' enrieh the poor; 
Here's healing balm for every wound, 
A salve for every festering sore. 



La Fayette, Chambers county, Jlla. 

March 1 5th, 183.9. 
Dear Brethren: This is the first time 
my name has appeared in Ibis paper, and 
as I have much anxiety for its prosperity 
I hope I will not be thought officious in 
forwarding to you some subscriptions, 
1 (though not an agent.) I have read with 
much pleasure a few numbers of the Pri 

Georgia, Hall county, 
March 1th, 18.39. 

Brethren Editors: I have received I mitive Baptist since last fall, and should 
three numbers of your paper and am high- j have become a subscriber earlier, but did 
ly pleased with it, for through its columns- not consider my present residence perma- 
1 can hear of very many of God's dear suf- ! nent. The sentiments avowed through its 
fering children in many parts, and find 1 columns lead me to much reflection on 
them as 1 believe contending for the faith ! gone-by days, when brethren met and part- 
once delivered to the saints; and do re- i ed in peace; when each breast glowed with 
joice that there are yet a few who are on j love, and the best passions moved from 
the foundation, and are not carried away > heart to heart; when all was joy, and each 
with every wind of doctrine advanced in j one sympathised with his brother. But 
these days. I those golden days have past, and like the 

1 live in the bounds of the Chattahooche early dew are gone; and confusion, strife, 
Association, where the new institutions of, and hatred characterize the church in. its 
the day are very much delighted in by ma- 1 present degenerated state, which is lament- 
ny, and the hirelings are hunting them out able to the Christian. And the solemn en- 
a.nd for their money. But there are some quiry presses involuntarily on the minds of 
who cannot see nor go with them into their the followers of Jesus, what is the cause of 
new unscriptural institutions, and there- so visible a change in a few years? 
fore are looked on as the least and last of; I will now make a solemn appeal to my 
professors. ! brethren generally: Is the cause fundamen- 

Well, brethren, let us bear this little tal, or is it superficial? Let each one an- 
name, and be found with that little flock of swer the important enquiry. Then 1 come 
whom Jesus speaks and says, it is your to the conclusion, as the church has had its 

Father's good pleasure to give you the 

Some of Paul, some of Apollos, 

Some of Cephas — few agree; 

Jesus, let us hear thee call us, 

Help us, Lord, to follow thee. 

Then we'll rush through what encumbers, 

Every hindrance overleap; 

Fearing not their force or numbers — 

Come, good shepherd, feed thy sheepi 
As yet there has been no bursting asun- 
der in the Association or churches, but it 

vicissitudes from time immemorial, its en- 
ergies have been relaxed and its vigilance 
been suspended in some degree, until in its 
torpid slate those things claimed to be be- 
nevolence have obtained foothold, and like 
the sentiments of Corah and his rebellious 
associates have survived their death, and 
like a dreadful gangrene are still corroding 
the vitals of the churches. Many things 
have been appended to Christianity, mod- 
ern institutions with all their baneful mflu- 

will not come unexpeeted to me; for there j ence have been presented to the u nsuspecfa 



ing mind, and the world of mankind who 
are characteristic of it< fondness for novel- 
ty, have grasped its delightful appearance 
in ilieir fond embrace, until he church and 
world have become united, in which there 
is no agreement, and the church hiving 
slept till these sentiments claim the right 
to its administration. And this is an ele- 
ment not adapted to '.he existence of the 
humble follower of Jesus, consequently in 
the reaction a convulsion naturally follows; 
such is the division of churches, in order 
to get relief from these things. For the 
Christian says, in contemplating the plan of 
salvation and the mercy displayed in his 
deliverance from gudt and condemnation, 

let iherebe no restraint in my feelings, but I compelled to come to the conclusion, that 
let me without reserve breathe my whole this was the only s;ife course, and one in 
soul to God in his sanctuary, free fiom my judgment most for the glory of God and 
strife or cold formality. [peace of his church. Since which time I 

Now, brethren, during the time the divi- have had a degree of peace for a considera- 
sion has been progressing in the Baptist ble time previous unknown to me. 
denomination 1 have wept over it; while; And here, brethren, 1 will remark for the 
bleeding under the enormity of its tram- comfort and advantage of my brethren, as 
mels, I hoped for some time it would not it is for you 1 make this communication, 
be final. I looked back to passed days, I that in reference to the declaration of non- 
contemplated circumstances connected fellowship, that there are many precious 
with the church in former days, 1 asked brethren who look upon it as I once did, a 
myself for what purpose the church was harsh measure; but, brethren, this conelu- 
originally formed; was it for the purpose sion is drawn from a superficial view of the 
pf resisting the sword of persecution then cause leading; to this act. The sentiment 
pointed at its breast? No, it was that each exists in the heart, and I ask, is the guilt or 

Bip'ist were the sentiments corresponding 
tearesl vv fell mine; but the declaration of 
non-fellowsfe p was too formidable for me 
id surmount. I wished mv lot had been 
cast whore these things that disturb the 
churches had never been known, that the 
Old School churches had been to them- 
selves without UMng such meansto become 
untrammelled from the new fangled no- 
tions of modern times. Such were my 
lingrrings, and such the anxious corrodings 
of my heart, till my peace departed from 
me; and I can sav my desire and prayer 
was, Lord, thy servant is willing to beany 
thing thou wilt have him to be, onlv give 
me decision and peace; till finally I was 

member might keep a vigilant watch over 
others, and being persecuted they could 
comfort and sustain each other in a divine 
Jine, that the world of mankind might be 
constrained to acknowledge that they were 
the true disciples of Jesus. But these cha- 
racteristics were lost in the conformity to 
this world, which was the strongest evi- 
dence that the church had departed from 
original customs and its former purity. I 
saw the division must be final, and know- 
ing I must be identified with one party or 
the other, I knew I must act and that act to 
be final, or rescinded by concession. As 
such, regarding'myself incompetent 1o make 
so importanta decision, yes, when viewing 
the greatness ofGod and thevast importance 
of his cause, I am just ready to sink down 
in insignificancy before him and exclaim, 
♦ 'How unsearchable are his judgments, and 
hiswaysare past finding out" — consequent- 
ly from the necessity of my case, and one 
involving so mqch importance, I took the 
matter under prayerful investigation, and 
in this situation I had many thoughts. I 
loved the cause of God which I had espou- 
sed, and the sentiments of the Primitive 

innocency of the act increased or diminish- 
ed, by the expression of the sentiment? And 
truly there is a cause and a fundamental 
one, and the only object had in view is, to 
unfetter the church and let it be restored to 
its original purity. And here, I remark, 
is the only hope I have that the fundamen- 
tal doctrines of the Baptists, which have 
existed from time immemorial, will be 
preserved and cherished; without which, 
1 ask, where are those doctrines that com- 
forted in life and sustained in death our an- 

Finally, brethren, farewell. Be strong, 
be stedfast, and let nothing move you. I 
might add much to my present communi- 
cation, but I will desist; and would recom- 
mend particularly to my brethren the 
course of a prayerful investigation. Com- 
pare the present with former times, in re- 
ference to the church, and see if there is not 
a fundamental cause; and make the serious 
enquiry, will that cause be removed, and 
will such limes ever be enjoyed by the 
church again. Yes, I look forward with 
anxious hope to the time, when peace and 
tranquility shall pervade the church, and 




Yours, dear brethren, as ever. 


these things corrode its vitals no more, fonce delivered to the sainfs; and if we are 
May the Lord of his infinite mercy direct Jin that faith, may we continue in the things 
»s in life, and when the fleet lapse of years : we have learned, and have been assured uf 
shall declare lime to be extinct, may we I knowing of whom we have learned ihem. 
then be enabled 10 adopt the language of 
the apostle, "I have fought the good light, 
I have kept the faith, &c." 

In the best of bonds 1 remain, yours, &c. for the primitive baptist. 


Florida, Gadsden county, 
March 8th, 1339. 
Brethren Editors: I have got five 
more subscribers to your paper the Primi- 
tive Baptist. This paper is greatly beli- 
ked through this part of the country. We 
believe it to be the means of Uniting the 

Lexington, Oglethorpe county, Ga. 
Feb. 28/ h, 1S39. 

Dear brethren Editors: I send a 
few lines for the purpose of obtaining a few 

papers for new subscribers to the Primi- I Primitive order and restoring peace arid 
tive, and to have old ones continued and j love, and to the honor and glory of God. 
some discontinued. We want you to insert the following 

The state of things in religious matters church matter in the Primitive Baptist as 
continues with us much as they have been soon as convenient. 

foralong time Some in word and action 
seem to be crying. Great are the institutions 
of the day — and I reckon one reason why 
thev are spoken so highly of by many is, to 

Yours with respect. 


Beloved Brethren; We, a people as 
Induce others to give more money, the very we hope of the Lord, by a well meditated 
article in which their greatness consists, point have this day concluded while in corv 
For I see a piece some fewdavsago, which ference in the Hepsibah church, by a una- 
stated, that God in bis providence evident- nimous vote, to declare an unfellowship to 
ly required the people without delay to all the institutions of the day. We believe 
make up at least thirty thousand dollars, or this to be the best plan for us, as we are all 
else his cause (as they call it,) must stop of one mind; and we believe it will be the 
still. Such idolatry I am sorry to hear of, means of retaining peace and love in this 
much more to see it in puhlic print. The church. Therefore, we do not fellowship 
pamphlet 1 saw it in, was said to have come any one that holds to the missionary and 
from Burmah, and in all its contents, mo- temperance societies, Sunday school uni- 
hey is evidently spoken of as the cause and ons, with all the new inventions of men. 
their works the effect. And in my opin-i Therefore, we the Baptist church Jrlepsi- 
ion they are both alike, that is, corruptible bah, in Florida, Gadsden county, do pro- 
and idolatrous And I think any man that nounce this day, that we will not have feU 
will read his Bible impartially, and com- lowship with any, according to the above- 
pare things that have been with things that named, inventions of the day. 
are now, is obliged to come to the same con- j Done by order ol the church, 
elusion, that is, that every religion that is j 
dependent on money, and will or dots stop 
without il, is of the devil; and not of a 
spiritual, all-wise, all-pov\erful and inde- 
pendent God. 

Dear brethren, let us endeavor to try the 
spirits of what kind they are, and that too 
by the blessed word he has given us as an 
all-sufficient rule of faith and practice. 
And 1 believe his spirit never teaches the 
least matter that is contradictory to his 
word, others professing to the contrary 
notwithstanding; I mean by their actions, 
which speak louder than words. May the 
Lord ever enable us to examine ourselves 
(by his word,) whether we be in the faith 

David Alderman, C. C. 
James Alderman, 



Georgia, Pike county, > 
Feb. 18th, 1839. 5 
Brethren Eduoks: i have frequent- 
ly thought that 1 would write you a few 
lines to give you some of my views relative 
to the Bapiisis of my acquaintance; but 
have hitherto tailed to do so, for two rea- 
sons: one is, 1 am sensible of my weak- 
ness; anu the other is, there are so many 
sorts of them, that 1 am hardly master of 
language to describe them to you. AhhV 



it has been my lot to be one of the 
contenders in the Association to which 1 
have formally belonged, and though our 
controversy- lias been face to face and our 
divisions pointed, and though I have noti- 
ced their movements with all my eyes; yet 
1 confes- I am at a loss to describe them to 
vou. I should not be astonished at my 
failure, (knowing my ignorance;) but the 
truth is, they cannot describe themselves. 

There are" two classes of Baptists whose 
character is easy to understand, (to wit,) 
the missionary and the anti-missionary — 
or in other words, the predestinarian and 
Arminian. 1 am acquainted with a good 
many acknowledged missionaries, and with 
equally as many Arminians; in fact, 1 
know of no missionary Baptist who is not 
in my judgment an Arminian. I would 
feel disposed to tender a tribute of praise 

mit; but seeing so many able pensrrierl 
employed in writing, lest I a poor fallible 
mortal misjht do an injury to so good a" 
cause, I forbear. Yet I hope the Primitive 
Baptist may be conducted in such a man- 
ner as will redound to the glory of God 
and the comforting of his dear afflicted 

So no more, but I remain your affection- 
ate brother in the Lord. So farewell — 
may the great Head of the Church be with 
us all, and enable us ever to live to his hon- 
or and glory. Amen. 



Georgia, Oglethorpe conn t y, \ 
February 6th, 1839. y 
Dear brethren Editoks: 1 ajj;ain take 

to God for his goodness manifested to me my pen to inform you, that I am not tired 
in giving me an acquaintance with some 1 of reading your paper, the Primitive Bap- 
who are disposed to mark them that cause tist; for it is a source of '-onsolation to me in 
divisions and contentions contrary to the | this dark day of trial and persecution. But 
doctrine of Christ, and not only to mark we are still trj big to stand fast in the liber- 
tbem but to avoid them. In order to obey j ty of ihe gospel, some of us; and some are 
this heavenly injunction, the Oakmulgee | breaking ranks and running from us, be- 
Association at her last session, declared i cause they are not of us. And I am glad 
non-fellowship with the whole gang. At j to get clear of them, for I want to be sepa- 
this act there arose a considerable argu- rate from them and live in peace once 
ment, and terminated as in all similar ca- j more. May God help us so to do, is my 
se.« (i. e.) the misstonists to themselves j prayer for Christ's sake, 
and the Old Baptists to themselves. Asj So no more at present, but 1 remain 
for that curious sort, I know not where i your brojher in tribulation. 

they are; if their actions will do to judge 
by, they are no where. They are neither 
Arminians nor predestinarians, missiona- 
ries nor anti-missionaries; they are oppo- 
sed to missionary movements, and in every 
instance oppose the missionary opponents. 
So that 1 cannot describe the Baptists to 



Slate of Mississippi, Attala county, > 
Feb. 14. 1839. $ 
Dear Brethren: For the first time in 
you better than to say, lhat we have Bap- life 1 send you a few lines for publication, 

lists here from the real old 
down to no shell at all. 
Yours, respectfully, 


hard shell 



Roane county, Tennessee 
4th Feb. 1839. 
Dear brother Bennett: J again have 
taken up my pen to write a few lines to 
you, notwithstanding you have resigned 
your station as Editor of the Primitive 

if you think they will not impede the cir- 
culation of the Primitive Baptist. 

I am a Baptist, and you may judge of me 
as you please, whether Old or New. I 
speak as to wise men, judge ye what I say. 
In my obscurity 1 have noticed some things 
in the struggles of religious controversy on 
both sides of the question. I now ask 
question: Has the Lord any children 
in this world? If he has, they are not 
bastards, neither are they the children 
of the flesh. And it is said, that wis- 
dom is justified of all her children; as 
such, she has never produced a fool. Tho' 

Many, very many, things of importance they mw be illiterate, as many of them 
arrest my mind at times, about which are, yet this truth overrules one thing: I 
1 would write if time and ability would ad- know whereas I was blind, I now see. 



in his word. 

Nothing more. I remain yours, affee. 
tionately. JOSIAH GRESHAM. 

The foolish virgins no doubt had every ad- 1 Israel, he has never said any thing about it 
vantage of life relative to religion and pro- 
fession after the flesh; but wisdom never 
produced a foo! — these were fools when 
they started, and fools when they knocked 
for entrance 

1 now ask, is there any way that a soul 
can be saved, without regeneration? I an- 
swer, that it is impossible. Ye must be 
born again, not of corruptible seed, hut of 
incorruptible. This brings me to that doc- 
trine, taught by him that could norfcrr. I 
yet speak as to wise men. Were we ac- 
tive in our own generation, or not? Most as- 
suredly we were inactive. 1 ask, which is 
the £ieatest work, generating matter or re- 
generating an immaterial soul? I conclude 


Green county, Ala. \2th Feb. 1839. 

Deak Brethren: I am glad that I can 
inform you in verity, as I believe, that the 
"Prim." is gaining ground in this region. 
I hope to continue its patron (though 
unworthy) as long as it continues as here- 

The opposing ones among us here, stilt 
continue their opposition. The Lord bless 
you, is my ardent wish. Farewell, dear 

that the soul is of greater moment than the j brethren. Yours, truly 
body, yet strange as it may seem, men vvho 
cannot change one hair are so inconsistent 
with their own senses. Something must 
be done or the world will go to hell — help, 
help. We* work more and talk less, and 
•save the world if you can. The soul is 
worth more than the world, if you save 
the world I do not know how you are to 
save a soul. 

I yet speak — if any two of you shall a- 
gree in any one thing, it shall be granted. 
God is able to save a soul or souls; and 1 
really think if prayer was offered up in 
place of self-effort, for peace and union 
among God's children, times would be bet- 
ter. Yet wisdom is justified of all her 
children. They are not the children of 
the flesh, they are born from on high; in 
this world they shall have tribulation, but 
in me, saith Christ, ye shall have peace. 
Fear noV little flock, it is your Father's 
good pleasure to give you the kingdom. 

1 have thus spoken for the first time in 
this scribbling manner. Yours, truly, &c. 



•Fowlton, Georgia, Feb. 1th, 1S39. 

Brethren Editors: I am glad to ac- 
knowledge the receipt of first No. of the 
''Primitive Baptist," 4th vol. I have pe- 
rused it, and feel gratified to find the way 
of truth so well defended from the grow- 
ing evils of the present day. Altho', we in 
this section of country are not much trou 
bled with their new inventions, 
some of us begin to fear for the future 

Yours, with necessary respect, 




Utoy Creek, Campbell county, Ga. 7 
March 6th. 1839. S 

Brethren Editors: The effort- people, 
as they call themselves, are not doing cash j Hill, Alfred Ellis, Strabane, Cor's Canaday 
business in this section; they seem rather to I Carlereltsvilk 

A&Ef\ T TS, 


North Carolina. — .1. Biggs, Sen. Williamston 
R. M. G. Moore, German/on. W. W. Mizell, Ply- 
mouth. Jacob Swindell, Washington, James Sou- 
therland, Warren/on. Alfred Partin, Raleigh. 
Charles Mason, Roxboro\ James Wilder, Jin- 
demon's Store. Benj. Bynum, Speight's Bridge. H. 
Avera, Averasboro'. Parham Pucket, Richland?. 
John H. Keneday, Chalk Level. Burwell Tem- 
ple, Wake courtly. Obadiah Sowell, Rogers'' P. Q>. 
Geo. W. McNeely, Leaksville. David J. Mot!, 
Long Creek Bridge. Thomas Bagley, Smith fields, 
Stephen Rogers, Holly Spring. James H. Sasser, 
Waynesboro'. John Fruit, Sandy Creek. L. B. 
Bennett, Heathville. William J. Roberts, Buffalo 

hang down the head& have but little to say. 
We hear from the north, that God in his 
providence requires thirty thousand dol- 
lars the present year for foreign purposes; 
and I cannot tell how they have learned so 
much; but perhaps it is the god of mis- 
sions, that is so earnestly prayed to in the 
Christian Index. For if it is the God of 

William Welch, Abbott's Cretkt 
J. Lamb, Camden C. H. Allen Taylor, Juru 
Rocky Mount. A, B. Bains, Ir. Stanhope. 

South Carolina. — Wm. Hardy, Saluda Hill, 
James Hembree, Sen. Anderson C. H. Frederick 
Ross, Cambridge. B. Lawr< nee, Effingham,' 
James Burris, Sen. Bold Spring. William S v . 
Shaw, Rock Mills. Levi Lee, Blackville 

Georgia. — William Moseley, Bear Creek. Al- 
len Cleveland, McDonough. A. B. Reid, Browns* 
ville. John McKenney, Forsyth, Anthony 



Holloway, Lagrange. Patrick M. Calhoun, K«oa> 
ville. J; M. Rockmore, Mountain Creeki Roweil 
Reese, Eatonton. Tho's Amis, Lexington. Jona'n 
Nee!, Macon. Charles P. Hansford, Union Hill. 
John VV. Turner, Pleasant Hill. Joshua Bowdoiu, 
ifidairsville. R.Toler, Upatoie. Clark Jackson, Fort 
Gaines. John Gayden, Franklin. John S. Keith, 
Luthersville. P. H. Edwards, Georgetown. Win. 
Trice, Thomaston. Wm. Bowden, Union Valley. 
Ezra McCrary, Warrenton. Wiley Pearce, Cairo. 
G. W. Holifield, Vernon. B. Pace, Clean Town. 
Lev/is Peacock, Cassvi/le. Vachal D. Whatley, 
Barnesville. Alex. Garden, Mount Morne. EliasO. 
Hawthorn, Bainbridge. J. G. Wintringham, Hallo- 
ea. Wm.M. Amos, Greenville, kandolph Arnold, 
Latimer's Store. Thomas J. Bazemore, Clinton. 
Josiah Stovall, Jlquilla. G. P. Cannon, Cul/oden- 
v'l/e. Jason Grier, Indian Springs. William 
McElvy, Mtapulgus. Furna Ivey, M lied irevi lie. 
William Garrett, Cotton River, Jesse Moore, 
Irwinton. Leonard Pratt, JVltifesville. Thomas 
A. Sullivan, Decatur. Thomas Ji Johnson, Ntw- 
nan. Israel Hendbn, Shih. Robert B. Mann, 
Chesnut Grove. William Tippit, Cedar Branch. 
A. G. Simmons, Hickory Grove, John Lanhon, 
Chenuba. Thomas d Trice, Hillsbon\ John 
Herington, Welborii's Mills, John MeCorquo- 
dale, Parchitala. James P. Ellis, PineviWe, Shu- 
mate J. Sloan, Chesnut Hill. French Haggard, 
•Athens. Henry Barron, Jackson, John Murray, 
Fort Valley. Josiah Gresham, Uloy. Daniel O'- 
Neel, Fowllon. John Applewhite, Waynesboro 'i 
J. B. Morgan, Friendship, Samuel Williams, 
Fair Flay, John Wayne, Cant's, Edmund 
Stewart, Hootensville. 

Alabama. — L. B. Mosely, Cahawba. A. Kea- 
ton, Mc Con ico. John Blackstone, La Fayette. W. 
W. Carlisle, Fredonia. Henry Dance, Daniel's 
Prairie. Wm. W. Walker, Liberty Hill. Dan'l 
Gafford, Greenville. Samuel Moore, Snow Hill. 
John G. Walker, Milton. Henry Williams, Ha- 
vana. Samuel Clay, Mount Hebron. John F. Lo- 
vett, Mount Pleasant, Elias Daniel, Church Mill. 
John Bonds, Clinton, David Johnston, Leighton. 
Adam McCreary, Brooklyn. Josiah Jones, Jack- 
Son. David Jacks, New Market. Sherrod W. 
Harris, Vienna. John McQueen, 'Graves' Ferry, 
William Talley, Mount Morialu Graildy Her- 
ring, Clay ton. G. W . Jeter, Pint Lata, Samuel 
Ci Johnson, Pl'.usant Grove. William Crutcher, 
Huntsville. William Hi Cook, Pickcnsville. 
Seaborn Hamriok. Planlersville. William Mel- 
ton, Blufi Port. James !Si Morgan, Dayton. Wm. 
Hyde, Gainesville, Rufus Daniel, Jameston, An- 
derson W. Bullard, Tasgegre. Frederick Hines, 
Gas/oni Z. Johns, Tiara, Eli McDonald, Pains- 
ville. A. Mitchell, Cartels Hill. William Pow- 
ell, YoungsviWe. James Hay, IVucoocu, Silas 
Monk, Horse Shoe Bead, R. Lackey, Scrujier. 
James F. Watson, Jibbcvihe, David Tread well, 
Mount Hickory 

Tennessee. — A. V. Farmer, BlaiAs Ferry. M. 
H. Sellers, Ten Mile. William Patrick, Poplar 
Corner. Michael Buckhalter, Cheeksville. Asa 
Biggs, Denmark. Tho's K. Olingan, Smith'** 1*1 
Hoods. William E. Pope, Philadelphia. Aaron 
Compton, Somerville. Charles Henderson, Emery 
Iron Works. Asa Newport, Meesrille. James 
Maulden, Van Buren. A. Burroughs, Wesley. Wm. 
Croom, Jackson. Daniel Briggs, Decatur. Clem 
morns Sanders, Mount Vernon. Daniel Webb, 

Lexington. Sion Bass, Tliree Forks, John"vv. 
Springer, Sugar Creek. Smith Hansbrough, Jacks 
Creek, William Si Smith, Winchester. Isharri 
Simmons, Calhoun. Thomas Hill, Sevierville: 
Ira E. Douthit, Lynchburg, C.T. Echols, Mifflin. 
Aaron Tison, Medon. Levi Kirkland, Waverly. 
Abner Steed, Fayetteville, Henry Randolph, 
Snodysville, Pleasant E. Witt, Cheek's X Roudi, 
.!■ Cooper, Unionville. George Turner, Waverly. 
Michael Branson, Long Savannah. Jasr Hi Hol- 
loway, Hazel Green. William McBea, Old Town 

Mississippi. — Jesse Battle, Meridian Springs. 
Richmond Baines, Dailville Worsham Mann, 
Columbus. Silas Dobbs, Brooklyn. Henry Pet- 
ty, Zion. William Huddleston, Thomaston. Na- 
than Titns, Kosciusko, Jonathan D. Cain, Wa- 

Florida. — James Alderman, China Grove, Da- 
vid Callaway, Cherry Lake. 

Louisiana. — Peter Bankston, Marburyville. 

Missouri. — Calvin Newport, Springfield^ . 

Illinois. — Richard M. Newport, Grand Viewi 
James Marshall, Salem. Joel Ferguson, Danville. 

Indiana. — Peter Saltzman, New Harmony. I- 
saac Wi Denman, Gallatin, Zachariah McClure, 
Terre Haute, 

Ohio. — Joseph H. Flint, Hamilton. R. A. Mor- 
ton, Fulton. John B. Moses, German! on, 

Kentucky. — Jona. H. Parker, Salem. 

Virginia. — Kemuel C. Gilbert, Sydnorsville: 
Rudolph Rorer, Berger's Store. John Clark, Fre- 
dericksburg. E. Harrison, Heningsville. Wm. 
W. West, Dumfries. Joseph H. Eanes, CallantTs. 
William Burns, Halifax C, II, George W. San- 
ford, Harrisonburg. Jesse Lankford, Bowers'si 
Elijah Hansbrough, Somerville. Wilson Daven- 
port, White House. 

Dis. Columbia. — Gilbert Beebe, Alexandria. . 

Pennsylvania. — Hezekiah West, South Hill 
Joseph Hughes, Gum Tree. Nathan Everitt, 
Chillicoats Town. 

Wisconsin Ter. — M. W. Darnall, Blue River: 


Thomas Amis, glO 
Anthony Holloway, 5 
Josiah Gresham, 5 
Harrlin Nance, 1 

Silas Monk, 5 

Benjamin Lloyd, 7 
John Bands, 5 

R. B Mann, 
John Lacy, 
Furna Ivey, 
.James Mays, 
Win. Bowden, 
John B. Moses, 




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SATURDAY, APRIL 27, 1839. 

No. 8. 

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fing to his Pliilippian brethren, where he 
calls (he coming of the commandment, an 
apprehension. To the Hebrews it is sty- 
led the word, which is quick and power- 
ful. So that in commencina: with his ex- 
perience it would be proper to say, he 
was arrested by the word, which word, is 
greater than all God's name, The law 
and the gospel taken together, compose 
this word. It would seem lhat these, 
plight to compose at least two words, but 
in t'he-subje'ct before us, it essentially docs 
not; fur all that is found in both, are found 
in our Lord Jesus Christ, and he is but 
one. I know lhat the law itself, is com- 
posed of ten words, but these all hang up- 
on the skirt of this same wonderful Jew- 
Isaiah, chap. S, ver. 20: "To the law and 
to the testimony, if they speak not accord- 
ing to this word, &.C.-'' Me saith not of 
words, as of many. So that the whole 
law, and the whole gospel form but that 
one word, which we are to preach; in oth- 
er words, "to know' only Christ Jesus." 
The scriptures inform us, that the testimo- 
ny of Jesus Christ,, is (not prophecy, but) 

Pine Grove, La. St. Tammany Parish, } 
Feb. ISfh, 1S39. $ 
Beloved Editors: Under your auspi- 
'ces 1 shall endeavor to continue my sub- 
ject from iv. vol. 1 No. That the gospel 
'cannot be profitably preached, independent 
of Christian experience, seems, tome, evi- 
dent; for how can an abstract principle, 
such as "the mystery of godliness," be re- 
alized, without a conscious application of 
its efficiency? We are told, indeed, that 
"faith cometh by hearing, and bearing by 
the word of God," but lhi3 is not all, 
"Therightcousness of God, isrevealcd/Jwre 
faith to faith. But neither is this all, 
"For the heart of man, answereth to the 
heart of man," and with this heart, man 
believeth unto righteousness. I said, 
therefore, that the subject of enquiry was 
essentialf and a necessary explanation of 
the apostle's own experience, as a cense- [he spirit of prophecy.' This^NevvTes 

tiuence — "For the creature ivas made 
subject to vanity, not ivillingly, but by 
reason of him, who hath subjected the 
same in ho2)e." I know, it must needs be 
very essential, or the Holy Ghost would 
not have directed the apostle, in the midst 
of one of his closest epistles, to write about 
his own affairs. This may be a reflecting 
answer, to all those, who ask a "reason of 
the hope that is in us." 

We now advert to Paul's experience 
and will begin with it, where we think the 
Lord began with him. "I was alive with- 
out the law once, but when the command- 
ment came, sin revived and I died." The 
apostle varies the phraseology, when wri- 

tament prophecy, plainly, is preaching. 
See 1 Cor. 14th and 3rd. Now whenever 
this spirit, brings home the icord, to. a 
chosen vessel (as Paul was) it slays him; 
and tho' he be dead in one sense, from that 
moment he is in possession of eternal life, & 
eternal life being the '■'substance of tilings 
hopedfor," he also possesses the first branch 
of faith, according to the apostle's own de- 
finition. See Hob. 11 and 1. The other 
branch of faith, to wit, "the evidence of 
things not seen," he must still wait for; as 
the apostle had to do. For as both are by 
grace, that is, a gift, we must await the 
donor's pleasure. Paul was suspended on- 
ly three clays, but in these, \yliai pughd ho 



not suffer! perhaps more than we do in 
that many years. Be this as it may, we 
know that "there are diversities of opera- 
tions, but it is the same God that worketh 
all in all." 

I might say much upon this difference of 
Operations and gifts, and it seems I must 
say something, upon the account of the lit- 
tle lambs. Nothing is more common, and 
at the same time more natural, than when 
a brilliant, or big experience has been of- 
fered to the church, for those, who have 
not had so great conviction, or deliverance, 
to either murmur or despair, about their 
own. Their language is, I know such an 
One is a Christian, from their great ex- 
perience, &c. but as for me, mine is 
so small, that I can hardly believe it to 
be any. I have known children, and I be- 
lieve myself to have been one of them, who 
would watch the sharing of a piece of cake, 
from the hand of a parent, with the great- 
est solicitude, and if I thought that if any 
of the other children, received a larger 
portion than I, I did think the parent lov- 
ed me less than the larger participants, and 
would be so much disordered as to be ready 
to throw my part away. This spirit 
would take place, if my share were ever so 
sufficient, so that all that was lacking to sa- 
tisfy me, was, to lessen the pieces given to 
others. I am sorry that this vulgar com- 
parison, is too applicable to Christian cha- 
racter. Doubtless, my brethren, our hea- 
venly Father is not partial, nor a respecter 
of persons. If you had have had, as much 
to suffer as your brother Paul, your experi- 
ence would have been equal to his. The 
fact is, none of us suffer, in our convic- 
tions, the punishment due to one single 

upon him. There are few sisters, I tfiin&y 
that would choose such a joyful deliverance 
as Mary Magdalen's, at such a great cost, 
or rather loss, of reputation. In the econ- 
omy of grace, there is as much order and 
propriety as there is in nature, for God is 
the author of both. Therefore, let not the 
man or the woman of moral habits, think 
they are to receive the same pungency in 
their convictions, and consequently the 
same joy in their deliverance, as those o!l 
greater enormity. 

Whenever this first branch of faith, 
which is eternal life, is In the possession of 
God's child, he obtains it by a "gift thro' 
Jesus Christ our Lord," and from hence 
commences a war with every doctrine 
which may dispute its being a gift. Paul 
with all his wisdom, and high notions of 
religion, becomes sensible of his foolish- 
ness. Jesus Christ was about becoming 
his wisdom, righteousness, sanctification, 
and redemption, experimentally; but in or- 
der to do so, Paul must be slain. The 
word of God, is the weapon, or sword of 
the Spirit, by which all are slain. It will 
be seen that the terms, commandment, 
word, and sword, are synonymously used, 
in the work of regeneration, and varied ac- 
cording to the phraseology introduced. 
That part of the apostle which was slain, 
undoubtedly was, his great hopes built up- 
on the tradition of his fathers, which is no 
other than Arminianism. Do I lack proof 
of this? read 1 Pet. 1— IS, where it will 
be seen, that Christ for our redemption, has 
substituted his own blood for such vanity. 
It is in man, to trust in himself rather than 
another, especially if that other be a stran- 
ger; and we by nature know not God nor 

sin, for this has long since been done, for j his Christ. He comes to his own, and they 
us, by our great surety, and there is noth- receive him not; this unmllingness 

ing for us to suffer, but a consciousness of 
our practical sins, and inherent depravity, 
the use of which is, to have fellowship 
with the sufferings of Christ, according to 
our strength, and to place us in the only sit- 
uation, where we would be willing to re- 
ceive him and his righteousness. When 
the Lord says, "of him who is forgiven 
much, the same will love much." The 
clear meaning is, that, when the greater 
sinner (in acts) is delivered by a revealed 
knowledge, of an entire acquittal, of all 
his sins, which the Holy Ghost has past in 
review before him, he will rejoice more 
than a lesser. The reason is plain, no man 
can rejoicQ for the acquittal of actual mur- 
der, when he never done such act, nor can 
the Holy Spirit, bring such a consciousness 

therefore, must be removed; for God is 
determined that his people shall both love, 
and trust in him, and for this purpose, he 
makes them acquainted with himself. But 
O how tremendously terrible, to the car- 
nal mind, of a sinner, is the cultivation of 
such an acquaintance! Before the great 
and living God can talk and commune 
with his beloved child, he has, as it were, 
to tear him to pieces, and this he does by 
the word, which was made flesh. 

Let us hear the description. Hcb. 4 — 
12: "For the word of God is quick and 
powerful, and sharper than any two edg- 
ed sword, piercing even to the dividing 
asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints 
and marrow, and is a discerner of the 
thoughts and intents of the heart." But 



by the great goodness, wisdom, and power 
of our God, this death is made life unto us, 
j'ea an everlasting life. This is the same 
sword, which turns every way, and keeps 
the tree of life; the fruit whereof, if a man 
teat, he shall never die; but in its procur- 
ance he is sure to die. 

In the economy of God's salvation, he, 
affords grace, for grace. When the sub- 
ject has ihe grace of faith, he affords also 
the grace of an expsrimenial justification; 
hut this cannot be done, as long as the sub- 
ject retains one iota of his father's tradi- 
tions. For Christian experience, essenti- 
ally, is not formed out of a mixed compo- 
sition, the ingredients whereof are grace 
and works. Our cpostle will not allow 
'this; hear him, Rom. 11. G: "if by grace, 
Ihcn it is no more of works; otherwise 
grace is no more grace. But if it be of 
works, then it is no more grace; otherwise 
work is no more work." As long there- 
fore as the subject thinks that anything 
foe can do, or suffer, will contribute to his 
justification; he cannot be so. 

God has subjected us to vanity, not only 
the creature part of us, hut the soul which 
ivas breathed in us, exercised its loill in 
partaking of the forbidden fruit, and be- 
came dead. I am rather outside of the 
text, when I speak of the soul, for in the 
first place it is not a creature; and in the 
next place, whatever it's subjection was, it 
Was so, willingly. It would but be an un- 
important matter, to pay all our attention 
to the casket, while the jewel within should 
oe neglected; therefore I have, and will, 
•attend to this interesting concomitant. 
There are several terms in scripture, that 
■are very equivocal, such as, word, law, 
World; and among the rest death. If we 
do not find out its acceptation appropriate- 
ly, we shall not only be misinformed, but 
Will make scripture contradict scripture; 
for instance, the saints at Rome to whom 
■Jesus said, because I live they should also 
live. Paul tells them that if they lived af- 
ter the flesh, they should die; and in ano- 
Ihe'r place he makes a paradox of it, and 
"says of certain Christians, that they were 
'dead, while they lived. I shall say noth- 
ing about how many folds, nor how many 
kinds of death there are, but will try to 
speak soberly of what I think I do know; 
and that is, that Adam's soul, died at the 
Very time he disobeyed God's command- 
ment, for his eyes were opened, that in- 
stant, and he knew that he was naked. We 
all know that his body did not then die, but 
Ihe seed (uo doubt) of death wat> then 

sown. What kind of a death Adam then 
died, concerns us not, further, than to see, 
and feel, its woful effects. But whatever 
distresses Adam's offence has brought up- 
on us, it has been the means of procuring a 
far more glorious estate, than he, or any of 
his descendants could have enjoyed other- 
wise. For "not as the offence so also is 
the free gift; for if through the offence of 
one many be dead, much more the grace of 
God and the gift by grace, which is by one 
man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto ma- 
ny." God has not left us ignorant, of his 
gracious purpose, in leaving man to him- 
self, knowing at the same time he would 
fall. All my brethren will readily per- 
ceive, that if we had not sinned, (which we 
could not, if not made subject to it,) our 
blessed and adorable Redeemer would have 
been made to us, not worth one cent. Yea, 
he -must have been a personal nuisance in 
heaven ! ! ! But this is not all, without this 
subjection, and even without its resulting 
in our sinning, and thereby bring death up- 
on ourselves; we never could have enter- 
ed God's kingdom of glory. For an eter- 
nal mandate had issued forth from the 
throne of glory's God, that "Flesh and 
blood cannot inherit his kingdom." Man 
therefore could not have sinned without 
his being made subject to it, and without 
sinning, lie could not have died, and with- 
out dying he could never-have seen God. 
the depths of the wisdom, knowledge, 
and goodness of God. This indeed, is wis- 
dom dwelling with prudence, and finding 
out knowledge, of witty inventions. All 
this is done through — in — by and for, our 
Lord Jesus Christ, to whom be eternal glo- 
ry. Amen. 

We may see now how foolish, as well as 
presumptuous it is, for some preachers to 
get up, and say that if Adam had only have 
stood out a little longer, things had come 
cut right, and we should have participated 
of his standing. God knows I desire not 
such a state. They seem to comprehend 
God's intention, that surely he had set 
some particular time, for Adam's proba- 
tion. I know, that if I were in company 
with such dreamers, I should ask them 
some curious questions, such as, if they 
conceived that Adam might have had any 
children in his state of probation? This is 
a fair question, for God had before told 
him to multiply. And if he might, if 
they thought that all the elect would have 
been thus begotten? And if I were an- 
swered in the affirmative, I should again 
ask, what they could hayc been, elected 



from, and what to? I know I should, go 
on asking, until the following must seal up 
their presumptuous lips for ever; whether 
they thought if the time of probation was 
not long enough, Adam might not have 
them anon, in heaven? 

But to return, when the dissecting sword 
of God, pierces through every ramification 
of the sinner's heart, the eyes of his under- 
Standing are opened upon all the abomina- 
tions which are lodged there. He would 
then get away from himself, if he could; 
his sins come to judgment beforehand, and 
he abhors himself; and after this exposure, 
he never will say he has a good heart, nor 
be fool enough, to trust in it again. He 
will readily believe every thing the word 
of God says of him, that "his heart is de- 
ceitful above all things, and desperately 
wicked." Here Christ is made unto him, 
wisdom, and when he is made unto him 
righteousness, (I mean experimentally,) 
the sinner is in the possession of the second 
branch of faith; and "has the evidence." 
Here is "joy unspeakable and full of glo- 

There is a certain state of Christian ex- 
perience which is common to his convict- 
ed, and converted conditions; I mean his 
not being able to do the good that he would, 
upon the one side, and his doing the evil 
that he would not, upon the other. I 
know, that upon the revelation of the sec- 
ond branch of faith, the man sees that he 
is saved already; but a zeal for good works 
so eats him up, that whenever the flesh 
draws him from them, he immediately 
doubts whether or not such revelation was 
not a mere imagination. That God's dear 
little children may not castaway their con- 
fidence, (which hath great recompense of 
reward,) this work of mine, in much weak- 
ness, is presented them. There is a cir- 
cumstance in Christian experience that I 
have never heard exposed; and that is, 
that the Christian not only thinks that the 
motions of sin, in him, are worse than be- 
fore he commenced his race; but it actual- 
ly is so. For sin takes occasion by the 
commandment to work in him all manner 
of concupiscence. Now the law being the 
strength of sin, the more bright this spirit- 
uality of the law shines, the more propen- 
sity to sin; and from hence arises an cqual- 
lity of burden to all God's children, pro- 
portioned to their several gifts. What I 
would deduce is, that the temptations to do 
a disgraceful act, are stronger in one ol 
God's children than in others; the conse- 

quence of which is, that he sincerely o€* { 
lieves himself to be the least of all saints 
and the chiefest of sinners. It is clear, 
however, that all the conflicts arising, and 
all the sins committed after the birth of the 
spiritual, or inward man, is owing to that 
part of the complex man which has not yet 
been born again. 

I hear an old saint crying out, ''My soul 
hath long dwelt with him that hateth 
peace, I am for &c." The soul is thus 
wounded in the house of its friend. It is 
the great business of the inner man to well 
watch and keep under the motions of sitiy 
which is in his outward members, for irl 
these, do the two other enemies (the world 
and the devil) - find a willing reception. 
All the_se united, commence an untrucing 
war, with the new born babe, and were it 
not for the power of grace through Christ 
Jesus, it must be killed. When I say the 
grace of God through Christ Jesus, I mean 
Christ himself; well might he say; "be- 
cause I live ye shall live also," when him- 
self was "formed in them the hope of glo- 
ry." But he is not always realized by his 
suffering saints, for "verily he hideth him- 
self," Isai. 45. 15, and is like unto a man 
that taketh his journey into a far country r . 
This is proving of us; for God will do so; 
,then is the time for us to have salt in our- 
selves, and to hold fast our profession; for 
indeed, he is not a stone's cast from us, and 

will give to every man according to his 
works; not for his works, but in his 
works, shall the man be blessed. This 
kind of a blessing, belongs to God's path, 
wherein the man walks; but the greatest 
saint that (jver lived while in this taberna- 
cle must groan under his burden, and cry 
out, "Oh wretched man that I am." 

Now, my brethren, we perceive that, 
those who have \fot experienced the spirit- 
uality of God's law, not only do they not 
perceive their sinful nature, like we, but in 
fact, have not the same propensity to evil. 
The law therefore never slays them, but 
they hug it up, from the word go, as close 
as wc may suppose that Jacob did Leah, 
until the morning's light appeared. And 
by the by, I take Jacob and his two wives, 
to bean allegory. If the morning's light 
had never appeared, we may presume the 
deceived Jacob, would have continued in 
his ignorance, — and while I am trying to 
give a genuine experience, it may be prop- 
er to touch upon a spurious one. The fol- 
lowing account was related to me by an old 
Baptist brother, who is now a saint in 



Mgh<, (Samuel Whatly,) which took place 
in Georgia. It is as follows. That the 
celebrated Hope Hull, in the days of his 
height, at one of his meeting", had a great 
work, of some sort. It happened to be on 
an evening in August, which proved to be 
very Wr'r.rj and its being in a close room, 
rendered the place, in temperature, nearly 
that of a sweat-house. This was particu- 
larly the case, with that part of his audito- 
ry (which were not a few) who were pros- 
1 rated under his powerful voice: among 
these there was a young man, who among 
his acquaintances, was familiarly called 
Jack. After Jack had lain some time, he 
arose and shouted deliverance. Some Ut- 
ile time after, Jack went over to old Mr. 
John Robertson's, (a plain Baptist preach- 
er who spared nGbb'dy.) Well, says he, 
Jack, I hear you have got converted, is it 
so? Yes, bless the Lord, I have got that 
far on to glory; but you may depend upon 
it, that brother Hull and I too, had hard 
work for it. Very well, Jack, I believe I 
understand you: but when is your brother 
Hull coming again! He is to come in a- 
bout three weeks iri order to sanctify us, 
and to tell you the truth, Mr. Robertson, I 
actually do dread it!! Such are the expe- 
rience of those with whom, bodily exercise 
is much, and the law a dead letter. 

Dear Editors, excuse a paragraph of di- 
gression, for the sake of yariety ? while I 
join in the subject of missions. I have 
thought pretty much upon it, and it ap- 
pears that the missionaries of our day, are 
inconsistent from the very throshhold of 
their departure. I think they insist upon 
forty dollars per month; this is at least one 
dollar too much; this appears to me cbve- 
tousness, if not downright extortion. If 
they hold up Paul for a sample, I am sure 
he did not get forty. The highest that he 
ever got, was onlyMhirty-ninc. It is true, 
however, that he received this amount se- 
veral times, 1 think at least five. But 
alas! for comparison's sake, it was lashes 
and not dollars!!! There has been grum- 
bling enough about the s/mz-plastcrs, when 
offered for hire; but what would the hire-" 
ling missionaries do, if instead of receiv- 
ing s/mz-plasters, they were forced to re- 
ceive Paul's cV/c/c-plasters? Without the 
epirit of dirination I think it easy to tell. 
They would be sure not to hire for the se- 
cond month; while the cow-hide went cm 
their bare back, the case of the poor hea- 
then, would hop from their cunning 
tongues. But the very idea is presumptuous. 

But to return. I mean not only to treat 
upon Christian experience, but upon all 
those scriptural passages which seem to 
point to its necessity, nature, and manner, 
but will be bound to no method in doing 
so; as I sse none of those nice theologian 
divisions in the scriptures, which are the 
displays of worldly wisdom. Christ has 
said, no man can come unto me except the 
Father who sent me draw him. But 
where is Christ to be found? And what is 
the difference betsveen him and the Fa- 
ther? I have already observed, that the 
law and the gospel form but one word, and 
when I said so, I said no more than 
Christ said, when he observed that he 
and the Father are one. But I shall now 
endeavor to show the scriptural distinction 
of their persons, in the work of redemption. 
When the Father is said to draw a man to 
Christ, where does he draw him to? Not 
up to heaven; nor into the depths of the 
earth* but into the sinner's own heart. 
The difference between the law and the 
gospel shows their personal difference, but 
the Father is in the Son, and the Son in the 
Father. Therefore the law and the gospel 
are mutually in each other; and but in this 
single instance of Christ Jesus's birth, can 
this scripture be fulfilled, "Truth shall 
spring out of the earth." Psal. 85. II. 
But it was in consequence of mercy and 
truth (justice) harmonizing. All power in 
heaven and earth is given unto him, because 
the godhead bodily, not personally, dwells 
in him. Therefore, whoever is in him, is 
complete; a glorious mystery indeed. But 
the law having been magnified by his obe- 
dience and death, and this being its object, 
he is said to be its end, for "he is the end 
of the law, for righteousness to every one 
that believeth." Jesus Christ being of 
two distinct natures, miraculously so, in 
the same person i. c. both God and man; 
the root as well as the offspring of David: 
he became the only man of God's right 
hand, he could, and did approach him, and 
so became a proper mediator. In this way 
God could be just in being reconciled to us 
sinners, and is daily reconciling us to him- 
self through Jesus by his preachers, who 
arc called embassadors. The Father, or 
the law, could not refuse his mediation, 
when he so highly honored it, and this 
same law, being the instrument to make us 
willing to accept of him, and thus we are 
all taught of God, or drawn by the Father 
and become reconciled to God by the 
death of his Son. 



But I wish (o say a Utile more upon the 
distinction of the two natures of our glori- 
ous mediator. I observe then, that when 
it is said that he slept, hungered, was wea- 
ry, wept, &c. that the component word 
Christ, is never mentioned by the inspi- 
red pensmen. It was therefore Jesus 
(not Christ) who slept, &c. John was 
called the beloved apostle. I presume not 
because Jesus Christ loved him more than 
the rest, but I think Jesus did. The young 
man in the gospel had the same kind of 
distinclive love, from the world, that John 
had from the apostles. I suppose that it 
arose from an humble address, connected 
■with moral conduct, for such demeanor in- 
fluences every Christian to this day. We 
cannot help loving some brethren, more 
than others. But what puts the matter out 
of dispute, in my mind, in favor of the a- 
bove hypothesis, is, where Jesus wept over 
Jerusalem. Here Jesus was weeping 
over their fate, while at the same time 
Christ, was hiding the time of his visita- 
tion from them. Whoever therefore re- 
ceive Christ Jesus, and hath him in his 
heart, can approach the living God accept- 
ably; and is exhorted to do so boldly, that 
he may obtain mercy and find grace to 
help in time of need. I know this is true, 
from former, and I thank God recent ex- 
perience, and why, can the vile sinner do 
so? Because he carries a suitable offering in 
the human nature of Jesus, and an aitar 
which sanctifies it in the God-nature of 
Christ. For this sacrifice, is bound unto 
the horns of this altar; of which altar, the 
Arminian hath no right to est, because he 
serves the tabernacle. 

I have intimated before, that my hopes, 
as a backslider, rest upon the difference be- 
tween a servant and a captive. I will 
now explain myself. , Before we were 
made free, by i lie Son, who indeed can 
and does make free, we were the servants 
of sin; but after we had obeyed, from the 
heart, that form of doctrine which was de- 
livered unto us, wc can no more be its 
servants. It is like unto the case of the 
children of Israel after they had crossed 
the Itcd Sea, ''The enemies (masters) 
which ye saw yesterday, yc shall see no 
more forever." This is Moses' testimony 
in favor of my position. There were 
however, a plenty of other enemies a- 
hcad, but these were not of the same kind. 
The former weie, by God's permission 
their masters, the latter could be only their 
captors. Now a servant is at home, not so 

a captive; a captive need nothing but his 
fetters to be broken off, and his prison door 
opened, to show to which army he belongs. 

Melhinks I overhear one enquiring why 
I do not say something about a neiv- 
creature, seeing that the word creature, 
occupies a prominent part of the text? I 
answer, that I believe in no such a creature, 
in the common acceptation of that term, 
and this is one of the reasons why I desire 
to continue the subject. What, says ano- 
ther, do not you believe that "if any man 
is in Christ Jesus he is a ??C2#-creature? I 
answer, not substantially so. While 
questions abound, suppose I were to ask 
one. And do you really think, my broth- 
er, that the devil so ousted God, that he 
had to do his work over again? My Bible 
reads that all his works were finished long 
ago. We shall postpone, until my next, 
while I subscribe my circumstance and 
name '■Cast down but not destroyed,'' 
your broken-boned brother. 

(to be continued.) 

N. B. Brethren Eds. , please to give my 
compliments to the smartest missionary 
you know, and desire him, for me, to 
preach a sermon from this text: "When 
the most high divided to the nations their 
inheritance, when he separated the sons of 
Adam, he set the bounds of the people ac- 
cording to the number of the children of 
Israel." Deut. 32. S. Please to tell him 
to divide it in the nicest school form, and 
for one of its parts, to compose the follow- 
ing proposition: That before Jacob's name 
was changed into Israel, that there were a 
certain number of Israelites. God prosper, 
& perpetuate the Prim. Farewell. T. P. 

"^Hickory Grove, Bibb county, Ga. > 
Dec. 25, l's3S. \ 

Peak brother Bennett: Feeling in- 
terested! as 1 hope and trust I do, in the spi- 
ritual welfare of Zion in this great time of 
trial and affliction among the subjects of 
our blessed Redeemer's kingdom, and feel- 
ing desirous to offer 3'ou n few of my tho'ts 
respecting this great and glorious kingdom 
and its subjects, I shall cite your attention 
to the 2nd chapter of the prophet Daniel 
and 4-1 lh verse: "And in the days of thcsQ 
kings shall the God of heaven set up a king- 
dom, which shall never be destroyed: and 
the kingdom shall not be left to other peo- 
ple, but il shall break in pieces and con- 
sume all these kingdoms, and it tJmll s.and 



Now \vc see what ga^e rise (o the a- 7 tell you some little about this great and 

hove words being spoken. The prophet, 
was interpreting ihe king of Babylon's 
dream concerning the greit image, how 
kingdoms should go and come, and how 
kings should rise and fall; but it was not to 
be so with this kingdom, that the God of 
heaven would set up in the days of these 
kin £9. This kingdom is to last forever 
and to break down and destroy all those 
earthly kingdoms, as the stone cut out 
without hands smote the great image or his 
feet and brake them in pieces. 

Again, Danl. 7. 27: And the kingdom 
and dominion, and the greatness of the 
kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be 
given to the people of the saints of the Most 
High, whose kingdom is an everlasting 
kingdom, and all dominions shall serve 
and obey him. 2S. Hitherto is the end of 
the matter. But the saints of the Most 
High shall take the kingdom, and possess 
<he kingdom forever, even forever and 
ever; and it is not to be left to other peo- 
ple. Note this word other people, for we 
expect to have some use for it before we 
get through. Now we understand that 
this kingdom is not a temporal one, but a 
spiritual kingdom whose king is to reign in 
righteousness. Behold, a king shall reign 
in righteousness, and princes shall rule in 
judgment. And a man shall be as a hi- 
ding place from the wind, and a covert 
from the tempest; as rivers of w .'er in a 
dry place, as the shadow of a great rock in 
a weary land. Isaiah, 32. 1, 2. Ami a- 
gain, Numbers, 24. 7: He shall pour the 
water out of his buckets, and his seed shall 
be in many waters, and his king shall be 
higher than Agag, and his kingdom shall 

glorious kingdom, and the king that shall 
reign in righteousness in -and over this 
kingdom. And again: The Lord hath 
sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a 
priest forever after the order of Melchize- 
dek. Ps. 110. 4. And again: For such a 
high priest became us, who is holy, harm- 
less, undehled, separate from sinners, and 
made higher than the heavens. Hebrews, 
7. 26. Now we see that our Lord Jesus 
Christ is not only king to rule and reign 
over his subjects, but he is a great high 
priest who has made an atonement for the 
sins of his subjects, by offering up his own 
body on the tree of the cross. Wherefore 
be is able also to save them to the utter- 
most that come unto God by him, seeing 
he ever liveth to make intercession for 
them. Hebrews, 7. 25. They are sub- 
jects of a spiritual kingdom, a kingdom 
not of this world; but chosen out of this 
world they are hated by the world, and 
the world would have destroyed them long 
since, had not the Lord their righteous- 
ness been their strong tower, into which 
tiie righteous run and are safe. For he 
has said he will be a wall of fire around 
them, and the glory in the midst of them; 
and he appoints salvation for walls and bul- 
warks. Thus protected and defended/ 
their enemies may rage and vent their 
spite in vain, the gates of hell shall not pre- 
vail against them. happy people, thus 
saved of the Lord. 

Now the subjects of this greatand glori- 
ous kingdom are a peculiar people, for 
Christ Jesus their king and priest hath sa- 
ved them and called them with a holy call- 
ing; not according to their works, but a 

be exalted. Now we hear the poet saying: ! cording .to his own purpose and graee, 

which was given them in Christ Jesus be- 

Rejoice, ye shining worlds on high, 
Behold the Kingof Glory nigh; 
"Who can this King of Glory he, 
The mighty Lord, the Saviour hc< 

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son 
is given: and the government shall be up- 
on his shoulder: and his name shall be 
called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty 
God, The everlasting Father, The Prince 
of Peace. Of the increase of his govern- 
ment and peace there shall be no end, up- 
on the throne of David, and upon his king- 
dom, to order it, and to establish it with 
judgment and with justice from henceforth 
even for ever. The zeal of lire Lord of 
hosts will perform this. Isaiah, 9. 6, 7. 
Now, brethren, wc have been trying to 

fore the world began. He hath loved and 
washed them from their sins in his own 
blood, and hath made them kings and 
priests unto God. He who was delivered 
for their offences and rose again for their 
justification, who of God is made unto 
them wisdom, righteousness, sancliiication 
and redemption. Yea, he gave himself for 
them that he might redeem them from all 
iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar 
people, zealous of good works. There- 
fore, they are no more aliens to the com- 
monwealth of Israel, nor strangers to the 
covenant of promise; but fellow citizens 
with the saints and of the household of 
God. Built upon the foundation of the 
apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself 



being the chief corner stone, they also as 
lively stones are built up a spiritual house, 
a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sac- 
rifices acceptable to God by Jesus Christ; 
whereby they are enabled to present their 
bodies a living sacrifice, holy and accepta- 
ble, which is their reasonable service. 
And they arc not to be conformed to this 
world, but they are transformed by the re- 
newing of the spirit of their minds. 

Now, brethren, I think I have said 
enough concerning this great and glorious 
kingdom, and the subjects which compose 
this kingdom. Now I told you I should 
have a use for the word other people, and 
told you to note that word: And the king- 
dom shall not be left to other people. Now 
I shall try to tell you what sort of people 
these other people are, and in doing this I 
may step on somebody's toes. But if I do, 
they must grunt and endure it. Let us 
hear what our Lord says about these other 
people: This people draweth nigh unto mc 
with their mouth, and honoreth me with 
their lips; but their heart is far from me. 
But in vain do they worship me, teaching 
for doctrines the commandments of men. 

their works. And while they went to 
buy, they have a lamp of profession but are 
seeking to buy the oil of grace. And our 
Lord says, they make his commandments 
of none effect by their traditions. They 
appear to be violent in their commands and 
traditions, and seem to be seeking to take 
the kingdom by force; and there seems to 
be a mighty pressing into the kingdom. 
And the apostle says they have a form of 
godliness, but deny the power thereof; and 
he tells us to turn away from such. 

And again: And he that taketh not his 
cross, and followelh after me, is not wor- 
thy of mc. He that findcth his life shall 
lose it: and he that loscth his life for my 
sake, shall find it. Mat. 10. 38, 39. Once 
more: But ye believe not, because ye are 
not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My 
sheep hear my voice, and I know them,. 
and they follow me: and I give unto them 
eternal life; and they shall never perish. 
John, 10. 26, 27. These other people do 
not appear to be willing to take up their 
crosses and follow our Loid; they appear 
to stumble at the cross, and rather go be- 
fore him with their commandments and in- 

Matthew, 15. 8, 9. Again: Then said ' stitutions, saying* we have found out the 
one unto him, Lord, arc there few that be best way, and we want you to follow us. 
saved? And he said unto them, strive to j They appear to be finding their life .in dead 
enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say works, and men-made commandments, 
unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall Now let us hear what the apostle says: 
not be able. Luke, 13. 23, 24. And while For, says he, many walk of whom I have 
they went to buy, the bridegroom came; ' told you-often,& nowtellyouevcn weeping, 
and they that were ready, went in with that they are the enemies of the cross of 
him to the marriage: and the door was Christ: whose end is destruction, whoso 
shut. Mat. 25. 10. And from the days of God is their belly, and whose glory is 
John the Bap'isf, until now, the kingdom (heir shame, who mind earthly things, 
of heaven suffe'retT) violence, and the vio- Philip, 3. IS, 19. We see they are ene- 
lent take it by force. Mat. 11. 12. The m ies of the cross of Christ, and mind 
law and the prophets were until John: earthly things. 

since that time the kingdom of God is Lastly: Then said Jesus to those Jews 
preached, and every man presseth into it, 'which believed on him, if ye continue in 
Luke, 16. 16. Having a form of godli- m y word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 
ness, but denying the power thereof: from aru ] ve sViall know the truth, and the truth 
such turn away. 2 Tim. 3. 5. shall make you free. John, 8. 31, 32. 

Now we do not believe that the prophet 
had an allusion to the refractory part of the 
world of mankind at large, when he said 
the kingdom should not be left to other 
people; but we think professors of religion 

Tlioy could not hp<rin to see, 
How in bondage they could he; 
For they were Abraham's true seed, 
And were Israelites indeed ■ 

Now, brethren, I have been trying to 

were intended. And our Lord calls them point out to you two sorts of professors; 
this people, and says they draw nigh unto i the one is the true subject of this great 

him with their mouth, and honor him with 
their iips; but their heart is far from him, 
and they worship him in vain, teaching for 
doctrines the commandments of men. Ma- 
ny will seek to enter in; they seek to enter 
the kingdom in their own strength, and by 

and glorious kingdom, the other is seeking 
to enter in and shall not be able. And as 
we find that five were wise and five were 
foolish, we would all do well to examine 
6urselv.es, and measure ourselves by the 
word of God which is the golden standard. 



1 hope and (rust that I shall ever remain 
your?, in the bonds of love and unit}'. 


SATURDAY, APRIL 27, 1839. 

Edgecombe county, N. (J. 
Brethren Editors: After I had a hope that 1 
was converted and called to the ministryby Cod 
and not of men, some brother, thir'ty-pdd years 
ago, put into my hands a pamphlet written by Si- 
las Mercer on eternal justification, and this was 
his text: By him all that believe are justified from 
all tilings, by the wliieh they could not be justi- 
fied by the law of Moses — or nearly so. And I 
remember none of his arguments, but the text on- 
ly. Being then young in the ministry, I perused 
it day and night, weighed the arguments brought 
forth by the old blessed man, &c. and I am now 
able to say, that the controversy then about eter- 
nal and actual justification did not at that age prof- 
it the churches, in my opinion; but served to chill 
the affection of brethren, produced discord, crea- 
ted strife and contention, and destroyed the fel- 
lowship of brethren of the same church/.. 

Having been solicited to give my opinion upon 
justification, I will do so; not as a lord over your 
faith, but -to endeavor to bring to quiet the contro- 
versy among Old School Baptists on this subject, 
iind I hope it will not be offensive to any of you. 
And knowing from your writings that you are 
wise men and scripturians, and well worthy of 
jCjie character of children of God, I bliall be the 
ftioio short. 

And first, let justification be divided into four 
parts: first, eternal or virtual justification. Why, 
no man that believes the scriptures can help see- 
ing, that as soon as God the Father and God the 
Son covenanted in bargained agreement, and 
Clod gave him his people to rai'oe up at the last 
day, and swore Jesus should be a orient forever 
after the order of Melchizedek, and ,that Jesus 
gave himself for them that he might redeem them 
from all iniquity and purify to himself a pecu!"i> 
-people zealous of good works, that they were all 
justified by covenant agreement. On this ground 
those that went to heaven before Christ died were 
justified, both virtually and actually, or else into 
ihcaven they could not have entered. 

Secondly, complete provisional justification 
■comes next, for all the whole elect of God, For 
it is said, when Christ rose from the dead he rose 
for our justification. Yes, brethren, for those that 
were not bom. And how this] Attend. The 
)ms of North Carolina say, if a man commit wil- j 

Tul murder aforethought, he shall be hanged until 
dead, dead. And suppose a man guilty of that 
horrid crime is brought to court, convicted by wit- 
nesses and jury, and the sentence passed by the 
judge he shall be hanged for his crime, and the 
sheriff take him out and hang him until he is dead, 
dead, take him down and throw him in his grave; 
but after three days, he rises from the dead and 
comes walking through the streets of the city- — is 
this man justified or not, say 1 ? I say he is; for the 
law, judge, nor jury, have nothing against him; 
having atoned with his life for his crime, accord- 
ing to the penalty of the law, he is justified from 
further condemnation, and no officer has a right by 
law nor justice to take bold on him and make him 
suffer twice for one crimei 

So, even so, as the scripture has said: We- like 
sheep went astray, but the Father laid on him the 
iniquity of us all— be bore our sins in his own bo- 
dy on the tree — when he had by himself purged our 
sins, he sat down on the right hand of God — he 
was made sin for us who knew no sin, that we 
might be made the righteousness of God in hinru 
Suffice it to say, he died the just for the unjust. 
Then in like manner as the above criminal, Christ 
.fesus suffered the penally of God's law for the 
sins of his whole elect people; and it was for 
them, and not for himself, but for them he died* 
then for them he arose. So like the criminal, af- 
ter three days he arose for their acquittance from 
sin, or justification. So then all God's chosen 
people to the end of the world, were complete 
provisionally justified in him at his resurrection 
from the dead; having suffered the penalty of 
God's law in their room and stead, of course they 
all to a man are provisionally justified, the whole 
elect to the end of the world* 

Thirdly, actual or evidential justification comes 
next. To the Book. And by him all thai be- 
lieve are justified from all things, (all things past, 
I say,) from which they could not be (acquitted) 
justified by the law of Moses. Again: Therefore, 
being justified by faith we have peace with God 
through our Lord Jesus Christ. These, and ma- 
ny other scriptures in the Book, refer to actual and 
evidential justification, that faith brings to the 
i heart of a sinner witnessed by the Spirit of God, 
that his sins are forgiven him through the death 
aiUl ' sufferings of Jesus Christ by God Almighty. 
And fro.™ t'' at ciav > t!iat soul holds communion 
with God, C n d ?here is a familiar talking between 
God and that s.' ul ; as if Gocl was his father, Je- 
sus Christ as his n/otfrer, and the saints in earth 
and heaven as his ciio. :ce companions and objects 
of love, when in a right ['ru me ""molested by the 
world, flesh and devil. Bly ,';ea. T t knoweth these 
things, yet the missionaries eveii ' n trie fewest 
say, old Lawrence is unlearned, i<rn 1 orant > * s dead, 



died distracted and a drunken sot, and every re- 
proach they can cast on me. God pardon and 
forgive them for their lying, for it is only to carry 
their point. For my writings speak for them- 
selves, and they the missionaries feel they are 
weighty and powerful, theiefore they resort to 
calumny; a poor shift this for a gentleman, much 
less a professor of religion, and more especially 
he who pretends to he a minister of God. But, 
however, it is dog eat dog— had cause and bad 

I have said, justified from all things past; for 
is there a saint in the world that can say, his con- 
science does not convict him for many things he 
has done since he had a hope he was converted] 
No, sirs, I presume not. Well then, if he stands 
convicted for any crime or crimes, after conversion 
to God, he does not feel actual or evidential justi- 
fication; not as regards the sins he committed he- 
fore converted, for from these he feels acquitted or 
justified; but it is for sins he has committed since 
lie was converted, for these he feels condemned 
and not justified. What then shall this man do 
in order lo be justified from these sins'? "W'liy 
the same is required as was for sins before con- 
version, repentance towards God and faith in our 
Lord Jesus Christ. Then shall you feel justified 
or acquitted in your conscience for these sins, and 
that will he evidential justification to you again — 
as in the case of David and others. 

Fourthly, justification by good works; this is 
justification before saints and the world. Such 
was the justification of which James speaks: Was 
not our father Abraham justified by works'? &e. 
See how faith wrought with his works, see Ihe 
works of Abel, Noah, Rahab, and others, as a jus- 
tification of proof of their living faith. 



Halifax county, Virginia,"} 
April 5th, 1>3.9-. $ 

Dear brethren in Cjkrist: I take my 
pen in hand to make a few remarks to my 
brethren, the readers of the Primitive Bap- 
list; as I have been a reader of that paper 
for about eighteen months, and find breth- 
ren in various parts of the country of like 
precious faith, which faith is the faith of 
God's elect. And from what I have ob- 
served, the brethren are contending for the 
faith once delivered to the saints. 

We are told in scripture: They shall be 
all taught of God — (that is, the children of 
God,) — and every man therefore that hath 
heard, and hath learned ul the Father, 

cometh unto me. John, vi chap. 45 verse. 
If it was not of divine teaching hy the Ho- 
ly Spirit, how could so many brethren', 
scattered abroad, whom they have never 
seen in the flesh, and probably never may, 
all speak the same thing and contend for 
Ihe same faith. The natural man receive h 
not the things of the Spirit of God, for 
they are foolishness unto him; neither can 
he know them, (that is, until changed,) be- 
cause they are spiritually discerned. Then 
we set it down for granted, that faith is the 
gift of God. I do not mean a historical or 
dead faith, which perhaps nine-tenths of 
the people where the gospel is preached 
have in possession, which is confounded 
with that of devils. See James, 2 ch. 19 
verse: Thou hclievest that there is one 
God; thou doest well: the devils also be- 
lieve, and tremble, Ft is the production 
of human nature, and knows nothing more 
than to wallow in sin, or run to Sinai for 
justification. It never did, nor never will, 
lead a sinner to I lie Saviour. And hence 
people in these days of fashionable things, 
talk of the physical powers to do, and live 
by their good docs. Such blending of law 
and gospel, and such mixed language, not 
purely the language of Ashdod, nor yet the 
language of Canaan. Some call him a Sa- 
viour indeed, but mix their own works 
with his plan, and hope he his help will af- 
ford when they have done all that they can. 

If doing prove rather too light 
A little, they, own they may fail; 

They purpose to make up full weight, 
By casting his name in the scale. 

But a living failh works difTerenll)', it 
points the awakened sinner to the Saviour, 
and he the convinced sinner is made will- 
ing in the day of God's power to receive 
Christ as his prophet, his priest, and his 
king, he can join with the poet and say; 

This, this alone, is all my plea, 
Jesus has lived, and died for me. 

And to you, my brethren, whom I have 
never seen, and some I have seen and hope 
to see, you must expect lo meet with tribu- 
lations in the flesh; it is a part of our in- 
heritance. In the world you shall have 
tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have 
overcome the world, said the adorable Je- 
sus. I find from the scripture, that the 
people of God are poor, and despised at 
least in the eyes of the world and nominal 
professors; though this seems to be their 
character, yet they are a chosen people, 
chosen in Christ their glorious head before 



the foundation of the world. Eph. I ch. 
4 verse. And as long as the head lives so 
long will the members of Christ's mystical 
body live; for it is in him they live, move, 
and have their being. And it would be 
inconsistent to say a man was dead while 
his head was living; and hence Jcsns said, 
in the language of certainty, as I live yc 
shall live also. Though this doctrine, and 
my manner of preaching is cried down" by 
some, and they say it is such hard doctrine; 
yet let them try it with the word of God. 
But graceless professors and Judaising tea- 
chers arc of the world, therefore the world 
hearcth them. We are of God. He that 
knowcth God, hearethus; he that is not of 
God, heareth not us. Hereby know wc 
the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 
1 John, iv. ch. 6 ver. 

Dear brethren, I have been trying to 
preach a little for the last ten years, and 
can say of a truth, the more I preach for 
God, the better I feel. Although it may 
be delivered in great weakness, if the Lord 
blesses it in the awakening of sinners and 
10 the comforting of his people, to his dear 
name be the praise. Men may talk of hu- 
man learning to qualify them to preach, but 
if God docs not call them to the work, it 
will be but an empty sound, "a body with- 
out a soul." It may do for Lawyers! or 
doctors, or Congressmen, to understand 
the languages; but gospel ministers are 
taught from a higher power, and the mo- 
lives they have in view arc the glory of 
God and salvation cf sinners. God as a 
sovereign works by whom he pleases. I 
have tried to examine my Bible, and I find 
it has undergone no change; and I sec no 
necessity for so many institutions to help 
on the work of Cod. Jesus said: All that 
the Father giveth me, shall come to me; 
and him that cometh to me, I will in no 
wise cast out. John, vi. 37. Again, we 
find it recorded in the xvii. chap, of John, 
12 verse: While I was with them in the 
world I kept them in thy name: those that 
'thou gavest me I have kept, and none of 
them is lost but the son of perdition; that 
the scripture might be fulfilled. We would 
here remark, that the people of God are 
just as essentially united to Christ, as Christ 
is to his heavenly Father. The love that 
the Father had to the Son, is the same love 
he had to his people. 2Gth verse of the 
game chapter. 

1 must now close my scrap by sayinsr, I 
remain yours in the bonds of the gospel. 


Anderson District, So. Ca. ~> 
23rd March, 1S39. S 

Dear Brethren: Knowing my inabi- 
lity to write, it is with some diffidence that 
I attempt it; but believing, as 1 do, that 
it is my heavenly Father's children 
that I am trying to address, I take cour- 
age. And as no correspondent from our 
section has as yet given you an acccount of 
the movements of the Saluda Association, 
I feel inclined to do so. 

Know then that this Association was 
strictly "Old School" for a number of 
years after its organization, having nothing 
to do with the new schemes; notwith- 
standing "Tobiah" was busily at work to 
effect a meeting. And by renewed effort 
and untiring zeal, (worthy of a better 
cause,) he finally succeeded; for at one of 
her annual meetings she consented, and 
joined the State Convention. A single 
year however sufficed, and at her next ses- 
sion Tobiah and all bis household stuff was 
thrown out of that body. She revoked 
her former act, and became entirely dis- 
connected from the Convention and all of its 
worldly societies. Remaining in this sit- 
uation for a few years, peace was restored 
to the churches; brotherly love, and the 
best of feelings, seemed to abound through- 
out; all speaking the same language. Du- 
ring this time of pleasantness and peace, 
God was pleased to pour out his holy spi- 
rit, in a very miraculous manner upon the 
churches. For in one year, or perhaps a 
little upwards, (here were added to their 
number upwards of one thousand. 

In time of this revival it pleased God, as 
I hope, for Christ's sake to forgive my sins. 
I became attached to Bcihesda church in 
May, 1S31; and for a while said church, 
together with the rest of her sister church' 
es composing our Association, seemed to 
enjoy an almost entire unanimity of senti- 
ment. But it must seem that in this time 
of joy and peace, the cup of our affliction 
was mixing. For in 1S34, we see mis- 
sions re-enter in the shape of a circular let- 
ter adopted by said Association, and with 
it confusion and distress among the chur- 

As I discover by reading our little pa- 
per the "Primitive Baptist," that thero 
arc some Associations yet, that have not 
become amalgamated with these men-made 
institutions, 1 would here (though but as 
of yesterday in point of experience) yen* 



lure to drop j-oti a word of caution. Dear 
brethren, as you regard your own peace, 
and that of posterity, guard against these 
popular invasions. For remember that 
Paul informs his Colossian brethren, that 
the gospel of which he was made a minis- 
ter, had been preached to every creature 
under heaven. 1 cli. 24ih verse. And 
what evidences have we, that those scien- 
tific reformers (or a spirit like unto theirs) 
have not reformed the poor Burmans out of 
the pure gospel, and substituted in its stead 
an Arminian system which has eventually 
ended in superstition and in the worship- 
ping of "slocks and stones." Verily, 
brethren, I suspect as much. Therefore, 
let us compare their system, that they have 
been striving to set up a • ong us in this 
once happy country, with the above idea 
and sec how far it will miss these results. 
And 1 suppose there is no fairer wa'y of ar- 
riving at their system, than as we have it 
from their own mouths. Then here it 
comes: "That after God has called his 
preacher and sent him into the harvest, 
their theological seminaries cantuke hi m in 
hand, and in two years tuition set him for- 
ward ten years in the ministry"! ! ! Do 
not stare, for I have heard some go farther 
than this, and that in church conference. 
Thereby establishing according to their 
mode beyond all contradiction, that man is 
not dependent on God for a preached gos- 
pel: but on the seminaries, and to them the 
praise is due; whereby their votaries arc 
farther and farther alienated from God. 
And, brethren, I cannot see where it can 
end in any thing better than the worship- 
ping of "stocks and stones." 

Brethren, to you who have not as yet 
mixed in these scenes of strife, 1 may not. 
adopt the motto of our inestimable little 
paper and say, "COME OUT OF HER, 
MY PEOPLE;" but let me speak the 
language of earnestness and love and say 
to you, stay out. Being one of those my- 
self, that believe that God knows best who 
to call and how to prepare one of his crea- 
tures to proclaim his gospel to a dying 
world, their schemes and plans will not do 
for me. No, brethren, I have no idea of 
being thus reformed out of my privileges 
by any such a set of smugglers; and thanks 
to the captain of our salvation, 1 have with 
me some staunch 'Old School" brethren, 
that have not yet bowed the knee to this 
modern Baal. And as I think it our boun- 
den duty to war against such schemes, I 
have one suggestion to make; and that is, 

'some plan whereby we may get all the 
writings of old brother Lawrence consoli- 
dated. I, for the community which I re- 
present, will take one copy of the work at 
Rock Mills post office. Let each agent at 
the different post offices signify as much, 
(or as many of them as may see cause,) and 
set the publisher to work. This would be 
ray plan, but 1 would submit to any that 
might promise to the publisher fewer diffi- 
culties and insure us the work. 

Pardon this digression from my first 
premises, and I will at some future period, 
God willing, proceed and give some fur- 
ther accounts of said Association. For the 
present I must desist, by saying to you, 
that I am one of those that believe that 
'mid all the wreck of matter and crash of 
worlds, that ever did or ever will occur, 
that God will be with his people and that 
to save. 

I subscribe myself a lay member, and 
yours in the bonds of love. 



Georgia, Early county, 
April It'h, 1S39. 
Deau Brethren: I am requested to 
send you for publication, a copy of the 
proceedings of a certain meeting, which 
you will find below. Before I commence 
on a copy of the proceedings of that meet- 
ing, permit me to offer -a word in or out of 
season. First, let me say I am decidedly 
opposed to the institutions of the day, 
which I look upon to be the traditions of 
men. Who have started these things? 
Preachers, Balaam-like. What supports 
them? Blind zeal. Where are God's 
preachers? Amongst the primitive — no 
wiiere else. I hope so. Perhaps some of 
them arc in the bushes, and this chunk may 
fall on one there; if so, it matters not; he 
might stay in the road where he ought to* 
be. The old Book tells us to watch. And 
do I not discover myself with many others 
in trying to avoid Scylla, we are falling up- 
on Charybdis. Look at a man with a 56 
lb weight on one shoulder. The current 
of the Gulf Stream may bear us out of the 
course we intended, and that impercepti- 
bly. What poor frail beings we arc, prea- 
chers as well as laity. I think preachers 
are the most dangerous people we have 
among us. Why? Because the laity have 
confidence in them, and arc therefore easi- 
er led into error. Churches, 1 Lhink, give 



Iheir preachers too much liberty 
Why do ihey not put trammelling strings 
oh them? Bv.t no; let then! go preach and 
what is the text? Charity, benevolence, 
&c. &c with a hat in the hand of a beggar 
for money, that closes the sermon on the 
traditions of men. Some may think I am 
loo severe on preachers. Not at all. It 
will not hurt an industrious, honest man to 
watch him; but lazy beggars will not do 
for me. I am a very poor man, and while 
I live I shall always need food and raiment; 
when I preach for money then call me dis- 
honest. My gun scatters — if the cap fits, 
Wear it. Yours in gospel bonds. 


generally. / murch; but vvc believe individual 


have a 
according to 

right to use their own 

their own will. 

Enquiry was then made, is there any 
thing which will be a bar against the union 
of the churches represented at this meet* 
ing? Objections — satisfaction 


given — alt 

At a meeting previously appointed, the 
following messengers appeared with letters 
from their respective churches, at Union 
church, Henry county, Alabama, Decem- 
ber 7th, 183S:— 

From Mount Zion, brethren John W. 
Pellum, VVm. Nail, Ala. 

From Bcthlemem, brethren A. Green, 
L. Rouse, D. McKenzie, Ala. 

From Union, brethren A. Fort, G. Sow- 
el, Wm. Cockroft, Ala. 

From Mount Olive, brethren T. II. 
King, Joseph Lee,* Ga. 

From Salem, brethren Jesse Braxton,"* 
A. McGinty, Ga. 

From New Providence, brethren M. 
Lightener, A. D. Cooper, J. B. Granbcr- 
ry, Ala. 

From Antioch, brethren Isaac Heath, E. 
Thomas, J. C. Boylston, Ala. 

Those marked thus, * were absent. 
After the letters being read, brother 
John VV. Pellum was chosen Moderator, 
and brother A. McGinty appointed Clerk. 
Visiting brethren were invited to a seat 
"with us. Brother Moderator then ex- 
plained the object of the meeting to be the 
union of the churches. Enquiry was then 
made, are all the churches present of the 
primitive faith and order? After some de- 
bate, whether the missionary cause should 
be a bar against the union of the churches, 
on motion, we refer the question for con- 
sideration until to-morrow morning 10 o'- 
clock. Adjourned. 

Dec. 8th. Met according to adjourn- 
ment. The question was taken up and the 
following answer given unanimously: An- 
swer. We believe that churches which 
have taken the missionary cause and in- 
serted the same in their chnrch book, 
should be a bar, where it bears on all as a 

On motion agreed, That wc hold the 
next Union Meeting at New Providence, 
Barbour county, Alabama, beginning on 
Friday before the first Sabbath in October, 

On motion agreed, That each church 
send one delegate to meet at County Line 
church, Henry county, Alabama, on Fri- 
day before the third Sabbath in July next, 
to form articles of confederation for this 

On motion agreed, That we invite all 
other churches to meet at County Line, to 
know what arc the articles of confederation 
and to assist in framing the same. 

On motion agreed, That a committee of 
three be appointed to copy the proceedings 
of this meeting and distribute the same, ex- 
tending toother churches not represented 
in this body, that each church have a copy 
of the same. 

Brother Moderator appointed that com- 
mittee, consisting of the brethren A. Mc- 
Ginty, Early county, Georgia, D. McKen- 
zie, Barbour county, Alabama, VVm. H. 
Ward, Henry county, Alabama. 


A. McGINTY, Clerk. 

Brethren Editors, if the contemplated 
Association is constituted, I am of the opin- 
ion it will be done on principles clear from 
the schemes and institutions of the day. I 
am accused, as I suppose, of being a mis- 
sionary; also, of being on the fence. Why 
are these things so? Because I do not fight 
much publicly. When 1 am in the pulpit 
I have something else to do. But I want 
my brethren to understand me. I am op- 
posed to the schemes of the day. I am 
afraid there are too many Judascs and bag- 
bearers who have taken a part of the min- 
istry. From such 1 wish to turn away. If 
my brethren will watch these loud trum- 
peting missionaries, they make a big fuss, 
are frequently engaged in other matters of 
speculations, such as rail roads, &c, &c. 
From such let me and my company turn 
away. Keep in the old paths, my breth- 
ren, and you will. Farewell. Jl. McQ, 




Lowndes county, Alabama, ~) 
March \5tfl, 1S39. $ 

Dear Brethren; I have been a Bap- 
tist about seventeen years, and never have 
been able to reconcile ihe new doctrines of 
the day, as taught by our missionary peo- 
ple, with ihe doctrine taught by Jesus 
Christ and his apostles. The missionaries 
tell us they do wonders, by having pro- 
tracted meetings ami by sending the gos- 
pel to the heathen world. They further 
sayj that thousands are perishing for the 
want of a preached gospel to them, and go- 
ing to hell. 

Now if God is thus frustrated in his 
designs, I, as one-, should like to know 
what constitutes a God, all wise, all 
powerful, and all mighty; in short, noth- 
ing new nor oid with him? I should say, 
that such doctrine is degrading to his cha- 
racter; it shows a want of power to save, 
and certainly it has grown out of the rot 
tenest roots of Arminianism; which is no- 
thing more nor less than the production of 
Old nature Uncultivated by grace. And 
Was I to attempt to describe my Views on 
the work of grace, it would be Very dilicr- 
ent from, theirs; for I believe that God for 
Christ's sake chose, or elected, all his peo- 
ple in Christ from before the foundation of 
the world to everlasting life. Read Ephe- 
siansj 1st and 4th. And his choice was 
for nothing good, foreseen or foresaw in 
them, (but according to the good pleasure 
of his will, to the praise of the glory of his 
grace, wherein he hath made them accept- 
ed in the beloved.) And this almighty act 
of divine spirit, whereby God actually and 
visibly separates his people from the 
world, is by effectual calling. And that 
eternal, sovereign, unconditional, particu- 
lar, and immutable act of God, whereby he 
selected Some from among all mankind, 
and of every nation under heaven to be 
redeemed and everlastingly saved, is by 
Christ's righteousness, and not by the 
newly invented schemes of the day. 
t; And inasmuch as God has elected his 
people in Christ, he has ordained the 
means to fetch them into his fold indepen- 
dent of all, the many sought out -inven- 
tions of those who call themselves mission- 
aries. They can accomplish their own 
works, but cannot the work that God for 
Christ's sake has done and will do. 

So 1 must conclude, by handing you a 
list of names who wish you to send them 

your paper, directed to Farmcrsviliej 
Lowndes county, Alabama. 


to editors primitive baptist. 

Talbot county ^ Georgia, 
1st of April, 1S39. 

Dear Brethren: Having occasion a- 
gain to write on fdr the Primitive Baptist 
for a few subscribers, I thought I would 
drop a few ideas for those who read that 
paper to see; for this is the object of the 
press, to make things public. 

And first, in regard to those people who 
say that they are Baptists, and have not 
changed neither in faith nor practice. As 
I shall not say whether they have, or have 
not, I will give you a true statement of 
some of their proceedings, and leave you 
and the public to decide this question. 

The Columbus Association, as a body of 
Baptists and Christians, were constituted 
into an Association upon ihe Confession of 
faith set forth in Philadelphia, in 1742; and 
which has been acknowledged by the Bap- 
tists as their standard for several years. She 
was so particular, that she instructed the 
ministers of her body who might be con- 
cerned in constituting churches, not to pro- 
nounce any set of people a church, unless 
they had received the said Confession. 
And also went on to advertise all ministers 
of the Baptist order, who she could hear 
of, who had departed therefrom and prea- 
ched another doctrine; and prayed the 
churches composing her body not to re- 
ceive them into their house, or bid them 
God speed. And this was good, so say I. 

And not only so, but in 1 lie meantime^ 
or just after, some of the preachers belong- 
ing to that body, wentand joined the Aux- 
iliary Society; and upon being asked by 
their brethren why they had done it, they 
replied, why, my brother, we shall have a 
double chance now; for we are not in fa- 
vor of the Georgia Convention, nor any of 
the benevolent institutions, coming into 
the church or the Association; and being a 1 
member, we certainly can havO Our influ- 
ence. And so they did; as you will see 

After a short time the Convention peti- 
tioned the Association for a friendly cor- 
respondence; but it was rejected, and very 
unanimously loo. But these men had 
their influence sure enough in bringing 
them back at the next meeting. For they 
attended until at last il was found that 



there vvns a probable majority in favor of 
their reception; and then away went the 
pledge,- viz: we will not correspond over 
the head of any m.cimbcr of the Associa- 
tion, &c. But no\4, even at the cost of 
loosing even churches from hef, she recei- 
ved the correspondence; which was defined 
by the learned clergy to mean nothing but 
a friendly visit. 

Now take notice, they were to keep it 
out, and that there was not any Christian 
fellowship at stake, only a friendly visit. 
So, in the Minutes of her last session, I sue 
she has requested the Georgia Convention 
to not only suffer her to pay a visit, but to 
let us the Columbus Association become a 
component member of your body; those 
preventers and all the rest together. 

Now would not a blind man say, that 
she has either changed, or that there has 
been hypocrisy used in the matter from 
the first. 

Now the second question is, can sound- 
hearted Baptists, either churches or indi- 
viduals, still remain in her bounds when 
they must know, that she is an. heir of her 
mother's estate, Mystery, Babylon? 1 
think not long. And may they hear the 
voire of the Spirit, which says, COME 

Yours, &c. 



Montgomery county, Alubama, ~) 
30th March, 1339. $ 

Brethren Editors: I have read two 
or three of your beloved papers called the 
Primitive Baptist, which paper I do love. 
There is no one takes it just about here. 
There are a few names I believe about here, 
that are of the Old School Baptists. I have 
made up one company and now send for 
six copies. 

I will try to let you know in my next 
letter, what the Baptists are doing in this 
quarter. No more at present, but I sub- 
scribe myself one of the Old School Bap- 
tists. Yours in gospel bonds. 



Green county, East Tennessee, ~> 
March 29th, 1839. 5 
Brethren Editors: I received a few 
days ago the Primitive Baptist, and being 

a widow indeed, yet I feel earnestly to 
contend for the faith once delivered to the 
saints. My membership is at a church 
called Flag Branch. There appears no di- 
vision among us. We all appear to hold 
to the Old School, or the apostolic mode- 
We have no missionaries among us.- We 
live at ease, Zidonian-like, with regard to 
the societies of the day. Our preachers 
arc plain men and preach plain things. 

I enclose you one dollar in this letter as 
a token of my approbation, and remain the 
handmaid of the Lord. 


to editors primitive baptist. 

Gadsden county, Florida, ? 
March 29th, IS39. $ 
Brethren Editors: I have got one 
more subscriber for the Primitive Baptist- 
He wishes to get it as soon as he can. 

The paper is fast spreading in this part 
of the country, in which I hope much 
good will be done. 




North Carolina. — if. Biggs, Sen. Willi amsron 
It. M. G. Moore, Germanton. VV. W. Mizell, Ply. 
mouth. Jacob Swindell, Was}/.ingtorii James Sou- 
therland, Warreu/on. Alfred Partin, liulcig/i. 
Charles Mason, Roxboro\ James Wilder, Jin- 
da-soil's Store. Benj. Bynum, Speight's Bridge. H« 
Avera, Averasboro' . Farham Bucket, Kichlands. 
John H. Keneday, Chalk Level. Burwell Tem- 
ple, Wake county. Obadiah Sowell, Rogers' P. Q. 
Geo. VV. McNeely, Leaksville. With H. Vann, 
Long Creek Bridge. Thomas Bagley, Smithfield 
Stephen Rogers, Holly Spring. James H. Sasser, 
Waynesboro' . John fruit, Sandy Creek. L. B. 
Bennett, Healhville. William J. Roberts, Buffalo 
Hill. Alfred Ellis, Slrabanc, Cor's Canaday, 
Carlerellsvilte, William Welch, Abbott's Crcekt 
J. Lamb, Camden C. Hi Allen Taylor, Jurii 
Rocky Mount. A. B. Bains, Jr. Stanhope. 

South Carolina. — Wm. Hardy, Saluda Will, 
James Hembree, Sen. Anderson C. H. Frederick 
Ross, Cambridge. B, Lawrence, Effmgharrn 
James Burris, Sen. Bold Spring. William 9. 
Shaw, Rock Mills. Levi Lee, Blackvil/e. 

Georgia. — William Moseley, Bear Creek. Al- 
len Cleveland, Mclhnough. A. B. Reid, Browns. 
ville. John McKenney, Forsyth. Anthony 
Holloway, Lagrange. Patrick M. Calhoun, Knox- 
ville. J. M. Rocl'more, Mountain Creek, Rowell 
Reese, Eatonlon. Th'o's Amis, Lexington. Jona'n 
Neel, Macon. Charles P. Hansford, Union Hill. 
John W. Turner, Pleasant Hill. Joshua Bowdoin, 
Aduirsvillc. R.Toler, Upatoie. Clark Jackson, Fort 
Gaines. John Gayden, Franklin. John S. Keith, 
Luttkrsville. P. H. Edwards, Georgetown. Wm, 



Trice, Tiwmaslon. Wm. Bowdcn, Union Valley. 
Ezra McCrary, Warrenton. Wilsy Pearce, Cairo'. 
G. W. H olifield, Vernon. B. Pace, Clean Town. 
Lewis Peacock, Cassvilte. Vachal D. Whatley, 
Barnesville. Alex. Garden, Mount, Morne. EliasO. 
Hawthorn, Bainbridge. J. G. Wintringham, Hallo- 
ca. Wm. M. Amos, Greenville. Randolph Arnold, 
Latimer's Store. Thomas Ji Basemore, Clinton. 
Josiah Stovall, Aquilla. G. P. Cannon, Cullodcn- 
tille, Jason Grier, Indian Sprhigs. William 
McElvy, Altapulgus. Furnalvey, Milled geville. 
William Garrett, Cotton River. Jesse Moore, 
Irwintom Leonard Pratt, TVhitcsville. Thomas 
A. Sullivan, Decatur. Thomas !■ Johnson, Nciu- 
nan. Israel Ilendon, Shilo. Robert B. Mann, 
Chcsnut Grove. William Tippit, Cedar Branch. 
A. G. Simmons, Hickory Grove, John Lanhon, 
Chenuba. Thomas C. Trice, Hillsboro\ John 
Heringlon, Wclborn''s Mills, John MeCorquo- 
dale, Parchitala. James Pi Ellis, PineviUc, Shu- 
mate Ji Sloan, Chesnut Hill. French Haggard, 
Athens. Henry Barron, Jackson, John Murray, 
Fort Valley, Josiah Gresham, Uloy. Daniel 0'- 
Ncel, Fowlton. John Applewhite, Waynesboro' ', 
J. B. Morgan) Friendship, Samuel Williams, 
Fair Flay, John W'aiyne, Cam's, Edmund 
Stewart, llootensville, R, Si Hamrick, Carrollton. 

Alabama. — L. B. Mosely, Cahawba. A. Kea- 
ton) McConico. John Blackstonc, La Fayette. VV. 
W. Carlisle) Frcdonia. Henry Dance, Daniel's 
Prairie. Wm. W. Walker, Liberty Hill. Dan'l 
Gafford, Greenville. Samuel Moore, Snow Hilh 
John G.Walker, Milton. Henry Williams, Ha± 
tana. Samuel Clay, Mount Hebron. John F. Lo- 
Vett, Mount Flcasanf, Elias Daniel, Church Hilh 
John Bonds, Clinton, David Johnston, heighten. 
Adam McCreary, Brooklyn. Josiah Jones, Jack- 
Son. David Jacks, IVew Market. Sherfod W. 
Harris, Vienna. John McQueen, Graves'' Ferry. 
William Talley, Mount Mm-iah, Graddy Her- 
ring, Clayton, Gi W.Jeter, Phil hula, Samuel 
Ci Johnson, Phasanl Grove. William Cruteher, 
Hunlsville. V\ illiam Hi Cook, Fickensvillc. 
Seaborn Hamrick. Plantcrsville. William Mel- 
ton, Blujf Port. James Si Morgan, Dayton. Wm. 
Hyde, Gainesville, Rufus Daniel, Janicston, An- 
derson W. Bullard, Tusgegec. Frederick Hines, 
Gaston, Z. Johns, Tiara, Ell McDonald '^Pains'- 
mile. A. Mitchell, barter's Hill. William Pow- 
ell, YoungsviWe. James Hay, Wacooca, Silas 
Monk, Horse Shoe Bend, It. Lackey, Scraper. 
James F. Watson, Abbeville, David Treadwcll, 
Mount Hickory. Aller. Knight, Argus, 

Tennessee. — A. V. Farmer, Blair's Ferry. M. 
H. Sellers, Ten Mile. William Patrick, Poplar 
Corner. Michnel Bnckhalter, Chccksvillc, Asa 
Biggs, Denmark. Tho's K. Clingan, Smith's X 
Bauds. William E. Pope, Philadelphia. Aaron 
Compton, Somerville. Charles Henderson, Emery 
Iron Works. Asa Newport, Mcesvi/le. James 
Maulden, Van Burcn. A. Burroughs, Wesley. Wm. 
Croom, Jackson. Daniel Briggs, Decatur. Clem 
mons Sanders, Mount Vernon. Daniel Webb, 
Lexington. Sion Bass, Three Forks, JolinW. 
Springer, Sugar Creek. Smith Hansbrough, Jacks 
Creek, William Si Smith, Winchester, Islr.im 
Simmons, Calhoun. Thomas Hill, Sevicrvi/lc. 
Tra E. Donthit, Lynchburg, C.T. Echols, MiJ/lin. 
Aaron Tison, Med on. Levi Kirkland, Waverty. 
Abner Steed, Fayellcvillc, Henry Randolph, 
Snodysvillc, Pleasant E. Witt, Cheek's ^ Roads, 

J. Cooper, Unionville. George Turner, Waveriy. 
Michael Branson, Long Savannah', .las. II, HoN 
Way, Hazel Green. William McBee, Old Tdwii 

Mississippi. — Jesse Battle, Meridian Springs. 
Richmond Baines, Dailvife. Worsham Mann, 
Columbus. Silas Dobbs, Brooklyn. Henry Pet- 
ty, Zion. William Hiuhlleston, Thomas/on. Na- 
than Tims, -Kdseiusko. Jonathan D. Cain, Wa- 


Florida. — James Alderman, China Grove, Da- 
vid Callaway, Cherry hake. 

Louisiana.— Peter Bankston, Marburyville. 

Missouri. — Calvin Newport, Springfield. 

Illinois. — Richard* M. Newport, Grand Vicua 
James Marshall, Sulcm. Joel Ferguson, Danville. 

Indiana. — Peter Saltzman, New Harmony. I- 
saao Wi Denman, Gelatin, Zachariah McClurej 
Terre Haute, 

Ohio. — Joseph II. Flint, Hamilton. R. A. Mor- 
ton, Fulton. John, B. Moses, German/on, 

Kentucky. — Jona. H. Parker, Salem. 

Virginia. — Kemuel C. Gilbert, Sydnorsvilk. 
Rudolph Rorcr, Pager's Store. John Clark, Fre- 
dericksburg. E. Harrison, Ilcningsviltc. Wm. 
W. West, Dumfries. Joseph M. Eanes, Calland's. 
William Burns, Halifax C, H, George W. San- 
ford, Harrisonburg. Jesse Lankford, Bmvers'si 
Elijah Hansbrough, Somerville. Wilson Daven- 
port, White House i 

Dis. Columbia. — Gilbert- JJee.be, Alexandria. 

Pennsylvania. — Hezekiah West, South Hill. 
Joseph Hughes, Gum "Free. Nathan Evcritt, 
Chilllcoats Town. 

Wisconsin Teh. — M. W. Darnall, Blue River. 


L. B. Moselcy, 


Jona. II. Parker, 


Win. S. Shaw, 


Frances Dcwitt, 


J. L. Lawrence, 


John F. Lovett, 


James Hay, 


Jos Biggs, Sen'r. 


Wm. B. Aired, 


Jesse Lee, 


A. Keaton, 


J. W. Turner, 


Cor's. Canaday, 


C. T. Sawyer, 


Wm. L. Taylor, 


W. 11. Vann, 


Wm. M. Amos, 


John Fruit, 


Peler G. Oldhan 


Evan R. Harris, 


Wash'n Watts, 


Joseph M.- Flint, 


John McKenncy 


R. 3. Hamrick, 


Edmund Dumas, 


Benjamin Lloyd, 


Wm. Hardy, 


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SATURDAY, MAY 11, 1831), 

No. 9. 

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Montgomery count)/, Ohio,. 
March 3d, 1839. 

In Ihe name of our eternal God and Sa- 
viour. Amen. 

I sit down at present to converse with 
brethren of the Primitive Baptist order, as 
I have been much benefitted in reading the 
sweet and precious communications and 
the true and glorious doctrine they hold 
forth, maintain and defend. My soul has 
been often refreshed and encouraged to 
press forward in the way that God has ap- 
pointed and marked out for all his dear 

without him lean do nothing to good pur- 
pose,) endeavor to give you a short sketch 
of the poor, despised, predestinai ian Regu- 
lar Baptists of Ohio, in the church at Tap- 
scot's meeting house. And now inas- 
much, dear brethren, as the name (and that 
only) of the Regular Baptists has been mea- 
surably corrupted and adulterated in those 
latter days, by a set of combined and 
designing men, that have become wise in 
their own conceit, above what is written; 
they having crept in among many of the 
old Regular Baptist churches unawares* 
and having become fully united with them 
formally in church privileges, and not hav- 
ing the love of God shed abroad in their 
hearts, neither the fear of God before their 
eyes, to keep them from swerving from 
the scriptures, they began to adulterate the 
former faith and practices of the old Regu- 

children to travel in, and it is made so 

plain that the wayfaring man (though lar Baptists, by forming societies and In- 

counted a fool by the world,) cannot err 

I find that our brethren in the Southern 

venting new institutions calling them be- 
nevolent institutions, without any authori- 
ty from the word of God. Therefore, wa 

States do also have trials and tribulations to I believe God has never required it of their 
wade through, with the New School Bap- hands, for his arm is not yet shortened* 
tists, in destroying their peace and causing! that he cannot carry on his own plan of re- 
offences in their several churches, splitting demption which he has of himself devised. 

and dividing and tearing them to pieces as 
much as in them lies. But the devil with 
all his emissaries cannot proceed one step 
farther than their limits. I believe that 
God is designing it all for good; he is pur 

But those men are going on and preaching 
for doctrines the commandments of men* 
endeavoring to mingle the word of God 
with the same, in order to give it a better 1 
coloring, (but they will not cement^) 

ging out much dross and purifying his which naturally produces a linsey woolsey 
church militant, and will finally bring us garmerrt, of works and grace. This being 

off more than conquerors. And the devi 
will finally and shamefully be defeated, for 
greater is he that is in us and for us, than 
he that is against us. As God is thereby 
bringing things right again, we will say, 
the will of the Lord be done in earth as it 
is in heaven. Amen. 

I shall now through the help of God (for 

all done, as they say, in order to carry on 
the work of redemption more fully and 
more speedily, than what God in his pur- 
pose has been pleased to move. But 
they tell us by the great influence of men 
and money, they can aid the Lord in con- 
verting the heathen and evangelize the 
world at large; which we conceive to 1>Q 



nothing more than vain boasting and trash. 
Thus they proceed in carrying on llieii 
new plans, contrary to the sound minds and 
grief of many of the brethren of the old 
Regular Baptists. They have deceived 
many weak minds, and led them off from 
the old beaten paths. 

Therefore, beloved brethren, wc seeing 
tbe enemy has crep 1 in among some of the 
churches of the Miami Association, and are 
sowing discord, we seeing the evil effects 
thereof, as a church saw proper in our opin- 
ion to brace up and build bulwarks through 
tbe help of God, and fortify the church 
against them; as they do generally cause 
sore distress and grievances in the several 
churches wherever they gain admittance. 
For which reason, after due consultation, 
we passed a resolution, in words to this ef- 
fect: that we who have hitherto been 
known by the name of the old Regular 
Baptist church of Christ at Tapscoi's meet- 
ing house, and that God may enable us to 
henceforth live up to the articles of our 
church covenant, and maintain them hon- 
estly, and continue to take the Holy Scrip- 
tures only as the man of our council, and as 
our faith and practice, as a lamp to our feet 
and a light to our path, together with the 
prophets and apostles, and the man Christ 
Jesus as our chief corner stone and founda- 
tion of our hope, Resolved, this day and 
henceforth, to declare non-fellowship with 
the unregular, New School, unscriptural, 
benevolent institutions of the present day 
so called, namely, their theological schools 
as a mode to manufacture proachers of the 
gospei, their Bible societies, their mission 
societies, their tract societies, their tempe- 
rance socie:ies, their Sunday school union 
societies, their anxious bench worship, md 
all other kinds of their will worship; and 
no. io invite them to preach in our puipiis, 
&c. And we hold no fellowship with 
such members or churches that do advocate 
them or commune with them, as it is de- 
parting from the faith and order of our 
church covenant and platform; even so, 
help us God. 

By so doing we have not been pestered 
with the New School dandies ol the day; 
and thinking vvc had got the matter fixed 
to keep clear of all such troubles with the 
New School. But alas, alas, it was then 
our great difficulties sprang up; for we 
read that a man's greatest enemies are 
those of hi own household. We having 
•ome soft-headed Baptists among us, thev 
took an offence against the church, in con- 

sequence of the above resolution; they be- 
ing possessed with too much charity, and 
could not bear the idea of closing our doors 
against the New School; and they became 
dissatisfied with the church and withdrew 
from us, and were very shy of the Predes- 
tinarian Baptists. They did come to meet- 
ing, but could not have any fellowship with 
the church. They would sit away off to 
themselves, as separates they would not 
commune with as nor unite with as in no 
shape whatever; but still crying out against 
the church & her resolution, stating that we 
by so doing had formed a new covenant, 
which was an entire mistake in them. It 
was only iutended that we might live up 
faithfully to our first covenant. 

Thus things went on grievously in the 
church, until she had to take notice of 
those members to deal with them and en- 
deavor to bring them to order; which cau- 
sed a great contention between them and 
tbe church, for three church meetings suc- 
cessively. And the church appeared to be 
glued together in love as one heart, to rally 
around the standard in defence of their 
master's cause, and to maintain their own 
sentiments. There was considerable deba- 
ting on both sides, and our dear brother 
Robeson our pastor took a due and active 
part in defending and investigating the dis- 
puted subject to the dissatisfied members. 
I But ti.ey would not adhere to any thing 
! from us. At length the final issue was, 
[two sisters were reclaimed, one male mem- 
; ber and twelve females were excluded, out 
! of 5G. The church now live in peace to- 
! gether, they love to meet together and con- 
I verse with each other on spiritual tiling?; 
concerning the state of Zion, and can sit 
together on one bench again as usual. 
Thus God is bringing things all right again 
as formerly. 

And now I come to a close by forward- 
1 ing those few remarks to our brethren Edi- 
tors, to dispose of as they may see proper. 
I send my warmest respects to the breth- 
ren who have forwarded s«ch precious 
i communications to the Primitive Baptist, 
' and do earnestly solicit them to continue 
in sending on their mites for publication, 
' and not become weary in well doing, for 
J we love 10 read them, ii oping also to re- 
ceive something occasionally from brother 
Bennett, and that he may not forsake us; 
and also breihren J. Lawrence, Kcaton, 
Whailev, Moseiey, Korer, Newport, with 
many others. 
Please to excuse my awkward writing. 



I .lift not much in the habit of writing. No 
more at present, but remain yours in the 
love of the truth. 

Note. Our difficulties in the church were 
in the close of the year 1S36. 

For the primitive battist. 

Georgia, Coweta county, > 
October 11, 1838; $ 

Dear brother Bennett: If one who 
never saw you might take the liberty of 
calling you thus. I have been reading 
your valuable paper for near two years, and 
if 1 do know any thing about what it takes 
to constitute brotherhood as it is in Jesus, 
and the relation that his children bear to 
each other, the doctrine and practice that 
is set forth and vindicated in your paper 
is the truth, the scriptures being the stand- 
ard by which these things are proven; 
weighing them in the balance of the sanc- 
tuary, and I do not believe them to be 

But, brother Bennett, there are not a few 
persons in this section of country who are 
culled Baptists, both of the ministry and 
laity, who do mock and deride at the Edi- 
tor and his readers, for reading that little 
contemptible paper, as they are pleased to 
style the Primitive Baptist; and they will 
make hard speeches, such as do prove that 
they are not the benevolent persons which 
they profess to be, but that they are ungod- 
ly men are sinners, who do not know and 
believe the truth as it is in Jesus. And 
the conduct of these preachers proves to 
me, that they have run greedily after the 
error of Balaam, and they do believe that 
gain is godliness; from such, the word of 
God informs mej the church should turn 
away, and touch not, taste not, handle not 
the unclean thing, and then the children of 
God have the promise of the blessing of 
their heavenly Father. And not until then 
will they realize the promises, in the full 
enjoyment of them. 

Now, brother Editor, a few words about 
the sort of preachers we have in this sec- 
tion, with now and then an exception. 
They preach a strange doctrine, they will 
tell how their benevolence does make their 
bowels yearn; over who? they say over 
the heathen. And they will form all sorts 
of societies and falsely call them benevo- 
lent, join them themselves, and cause a 
great many of their brethren with them- 
selves to commit whoredom against the 

church of Christ. What do they do? do they 
persuade them to pray the Lord of the 
harvest to send forth laboreis into that part 
of his vineyard, and that the heathen thro' 
them may hear and live. No, sir, they 
pray for a liberal supply of money to edu- 
cate young men for priests, and when they 
have got money enough, as an honest 
Christian would suppose, they will have 
some large collection, a protracted meet- 
meeting, or something else, and then they 
will do — what? beg the Lord to convert 
the heathen? No, but they will beg men, 
women and children for money to stuff 
their own pockets. And do they spare 
the poor negro? No, sir. And so prov- 
ing by their own conduct they serve their 
own bellies; The Lord have mercy upon 
them, for they know not what they do. 

Farewell, my brother, and may the 
God of all grace strengthen you and keep 
and guide you, is the prayer of your un- 
worthy brother in affliction. 



Pittsylvania, county, Va. 1 
Sept. 26, 1838. $ 
Dear Brother: I send you the fol- 
lowing Circular Letter for publication, as 
I wish all the Baptists to see it, and espe- 
cially those who were acquainted with bro- 
ther Crispin Dickenson, as he was the au- 
thor of it. I hope you will publish it, for 
it will show that what I have already said 
about the Roanoke district is so. 

And here; my brethren and friends, I 
will tell you some more of their acts, and 
then you may judge whether there is peace 
and brotherly love in that Association or 
not, as they or some of them say* there is 
no division with us. But there is division 
and disorder, which I will show by giving 
you a few facts which I know, as I live in 
the bounds of that district, but have my 

i membership as a Baptist at Fairfield in the 

| Pig River district. 

\ First. Brother Charles A. Wealherford^ 
a member of the Roanoke district, became 

I dissatisfied with that district, because it 
would support the men-made societies of 
the day, and mingle with the General As- 
sociation, or some of them, which he could 
not fellowship. So he, C. A. W., did 
withdraw from his church and petitioned 
to Fairfield church for membership; and at 
his request the church sent three members 
to the church which brother W. left, to in- 



quire into hia character as a Baptist. The 
members of that church said he was a mem- 
ber in good standing and had been orderly, 
until he withdrew from them because of 
these societies. But they said that they 
were as much opposed to them as he was, 
and said that the charge that brother W. 
made against them was not true, for they 
were not missionaries, and so excommuni- 
cated him after he had joined us. So they 
turned him out because he could not fel- 
lowship the many new societies of men, 
and at the same time said they were not i"n 
favor of those societies. But here you see, 
they will say they have no fellowship for 
these new societies, but yet will fellowship 
them that will fellowship the societies of 

This does put me in mind of the 
stealer and concealer. Now which is the 
Worst, he that steals the wedge, or he that 
Conceals it? Every honest man will say, 
to conceal that which is stolen is a mean 
trick, if a smart man does it; So I believe 
it is not right for a Baptist to fellowship 
them that will fellowship these school men 
■when they cannot love them. 

No, my friends, Unsought not to be so, 
for we ought not to fellowship them that 
will fellowship that which we have no fel- 
lowship for, like the go-betweens do. For 
I believe the best way is for us as Baptists 
to be separate, for there are two sorts of 
Baptists and 1 am willing for there to be 
two sorts; and so let us separate ourselves 
from every brother that is not sound in the 
faith of the gospel, and then each party 
will live in peace one with another and then 
each party may enjoy the liberty of con- 
science in spirit and in truth. But so you 
see them that are mixed together in the 
way of one another, so the churches that 
have two sorts in it had better separate 
quickly, and so fulfil the command of Paul, 
b} 7 seeing eye to eye and speaking the 
same thing in Christ Jesus, and be of one 
mind and one judgment. 

As ever your friend and brother. 


fJ^pThc Roanoke District Baptist Asso- 
ciation, at their Spring session in 1832, ap- 
pointed Crispin Dickenson lo write a Cir- 
cular Letter for the inspection of their 
Fall session. He, the said Dickenson, 
wrote what is hereto subjoined; but at the 
time of the Fall session of said District, 
was lying prostrate on his death bed, and 
is gone to his long home. Dear brethren, 

this Circular Letter did not come duly be'^ 
fore the Association, and therefore was 
lost sight of; but I think it too valuable t6 
be lost, therefore I wish it printed. 



To the Churches composing the Roanoke 

District Association. 

Dear Brethren — According to a long 
standing custom among us, we proceed Id 
address you, by way of a Circular. And 
as it remains no longer a secret, that there 
are schisms and divisions among ourselves-, 
as professing Christians, called and known 
by the name of the United Baptists of Vir- 
ginia, the subject of the present Address will 
be confined to the lamentable state of feel^ 
ing that manifests itself in private and in! 
public' among us; and to try to search for 
the causes that have given rise to such A 
state of feeling as seems to exist, and 
whether indeed the causes are sufficient 
to justify such an unhappy state of things.- 

For a foundation for the remarks hereaf- 
ter to be made, your attention is invited to 
Paul's letter to the Romans, lGlh chap, and 
17th ver. Now I beseech you, brethren^ 
mark them which cause divisions and offen- 
ces, contrary to the doctrine which ye have 
learned, and avoid them. 

In the first place, it may not be amiss to 
notice the language of the Great Head of 
the Church, in his prayer to his Heavenly 
Father, 17th John — to preserve his Apos- 
tles in unity of faith, and from all evil, and 
for the perfect union of all beleivers, and 
says they are not of the world, even as he 
was not of the world, and prays that they 
all may be one. And for why? That the 
world may believe that thou hast sent me; 
and that they might be one even as Himself 
and his Father were one. And in the 15th 
chapter of John, he commands his disciples 
to love one another, and forvvarns them of 
the hatred and persecutions of the world. 
And on another occasion speaks of his King- 
dom as not being of this world. Hence it 
appears, that his language and conduct, col- 
lectively and uniformly, goes to shew that 
his disciples should be in unity, and seper- 
ate and distinct from the world. And for a 
further proof of the importance of a perfect 
union of all believers, so necessary and use- 
ful for the peace and comfort of the Church, 
you are requested to attend impartially and 
earnestly to the following places in the A- 
postles' writings, viz: — Acts, 2d and 42d, 



and 4th and 32d — Romans, 15th ch. and 
5th, 6th and 7th verses — 1st Corinthians, 
1st ch. and 10th ver. — 2d Corinthians, 6th 
ch. and 14lh ver. — 13th ch. and 11th ver. 
— Ephesians, 4th and 5th chs. — Philipians, 
lstch. 27th ver. — also 2d and 3d chs. — 
Collossians,2d ch. 1st ver. — Thessalonians, 
3d ch. and 9th ver. —1st Peter, 1st ch. 22d 
ver.; 3d ch. and 8th ver. — As also all 
John's Epistles inculcate the same princi- 

Having tried in this way to shew the 
Scripture obligation of believers to culti- 
vate this amiable principlcof unity of mind 
and spirit, we shall next proceed to exam- 
ine for the causes that have given rise to 
this unhappy separation of feeling among 
us, and whether they are sufficient to jus- 
tify such a state of things.' It will be rec- 
ollected by many, that some eighteen or 
twenty years past, this unhappy excitement 
of feeling among the brethren did not exist 
as it now does. True, it may be, there 
were some difficulties to encounter in the 
Churches arising from the conduct of indi- 
viduals, but they were generally settled 
satisfactorily, and the same unanimity of 
sentiment was retained in the Churches; 
and many happy meetings were then en- 
joyed at our Associations, while all seemed 
to enjoy the company of each other, as a 
band of brothers and sisters of the same fa- 
mily, united by one spirit in the same judg- 
ment, which seemed to fulfil the saying of 
David, the ancient servant of Cod: Behold 
how good and how pleasant it is for breth- 
ren to dwell together in unity.— But alas, 
alas, those happy seasons are gone by; and 
instead of those refreshing seasons from 
the presence of the Lord, and each other's 
company, we discover bare complimenta- 
ry interviews among many of ourbrethren, 
and a sad coldness of feeing that is truly la- 

As such a state of feeling did not exist 
prior to this Association's assuming the 
power of becoming a member of the Gen- 
eral Association without first consulting 
the Churches, it must be attributable in part 
to that cause; for so soon as our brethren 
did this without advising with the Chur- 
ches, so soon did they transcend the limits 
of their power, and we think laid good 
grounds for divisions and offences; and al- 
though the Churches did not remonstrate 
in a public way against the measure, yet 
their very limited contributions to that 
body from year to year marked their dis- 
approbation of the act, if not of the utility 

of such a body as the General As30ciatioa 

of Virginia. 

This state of things existed for some 
years, without much apparent excitement 
of feeling, till the General Association, (wc 
say a self-created body,) new-modelled 
their constitution, and laid it before our 
Association, and our Association before the 
Churches, (for the first time,) for their ap- 
proval or rejection, and the Churches of our 
district, (almost, unanimously.,) decided 
they did not wish to be a member of that 

But there were still some individual 
members, and perhaps Churches, among us, 
who were pleased with that body and its 
views, and we hope conscientiously advo- 
cated its measures, not only by argument, 
but by precept and example, and have 
manifested in some instances a heated zeal 
in its defence, perhaps to surpass even pru- 
dence, while we apprehend they have 
overlooked or lost sight of those first . prin- 
ciples upon which they connected them- 
selves to the Baptist Church. 

Every Church gospelly constituted, we 

think is, or ought to be, an independent 
body, and certainly upon these principles 
wejoined ourselves to it, and although the 
Baptist Churches, years ago, thought itex- 
pedient and scriptural to form an Associa- 
tion of Churches, as a means of keeping up 
a friendly intercourse with each other, and 
for other purposes, yet surely their sending 
messengers to transact the business of the 
Association is not, nor ought not to be, 
considered a surrender of their indepen- 
dence. The decisions of our Associations 
are not, nor ought they to be like our leg- 
islative enactments, as it is not a legislative 
body, but is an advisory council, and acts 
as such^only in cases where the union of 
Churches is concerned. A query in that 
case may be introduced by motion and sec- 
ond, and discussed and answered, if thought 

Therefore, any measure that the mem- 
bers of our Association as a body, may 
sanction, unapproved by any one Church, 
that one Church (if not corrupt in principle 
nor practice,) has a right to reject with im- 
punity — in a word, we think that every 
Church is, or ought to be, the highest eccle- 
siastical tribunal, and if we as Christians 
wish to maintain and promote peace and 
harmony among the Churches, we should, 
on all occasions, in an associated capacity, 
feel a disposition to consult them before we 
sanction any measure that might have a 



tendency to inferfeic with their preroga- 
tives. And although there is one article 
in the constitution of the General Asocia- 
tion, if we mistake not, that forbids any in- 
terference with the internal rights of the 
Churches, yet it is evident that some of the 
members of that body feel themselves at 
liberty to calumniate individuals, Churches 
or Associations, in public print, who act 
or speak with that independence which is 
their just right. Though it may be thought 
uncharitable to brand the General Associa- 
tion with the conduct of individuals, yet we 
have never seen any of their bitter invec- 
tives against the decisions of Churches or 
Associations, censured in public print by 
the body of which the Editor of the paper 
in which they have appeared is a member, 
and of course we can but rationally con- 
clude, these bitter potions are sanctioned 
by that bod}'. Are not such acts as these 
sufficient grounds of divisions and offen- 
ces? We think they are so. But there 
are members of this self-created body, who 
have indirectly, if not directly, advised 
members oi Churches to fly in the face of 
that union and harmony that they pledged 
themselves to maintain when they joined 
the Church, and which prevailed antece- 
dent to the organization of that body and 
its measures. 

We will suppose a case of a family, the 
head of which had prescribed rules for its 
government, under the observance of which 
thefamilyhad lived many yearsinpeace and 
harmony — but a few of the family find 
fault either with tlie rules or the manner in 
which those rules were observed, should 
introduce the observance of any additional 
rules or regulations, without consulting the 
family and gaining the assent of a majority 
of them, and go forward to enlist in their 
favour, by persuasion or otherwise, all 
they could of the family, and also all 
they could of those whom the head of the 
family had warned them of the hatred and 
persecution of. What could be rationally 
expected to ensue in that family, but tur- 
moil, discord, divisions, offences, and eve- 
ry evil work? We will here take occasion 
to remind our brethren who have subscri- 
bed to those new rules pr regulations, oi 
the solemn obligation they should feel them 
selves under to every member of tin 
Church to which they belong. The Bap- 
tist Churches generally are composed ni 
those who Willingly gave themselves to the 
Lord, and to each other, in the fear of God, 
for the purpose of maintaining and promo- 

ting good order in the house of God, accor- 
ding to his word. If so, when we joined, 
it was an acknowledgment that we were 
satisfied with its rules, regulations and form 
of government. Then, brethren, we cer- 
tainly act unadvisedly, and give occasion of 
offence to our brethren, if we connect our- 
selves to any societ}', and persist in it, con- 
trary to the concurrent views of a majority 
of our brethren. And can we promise our- 
selves prosperity, thus divided in senti- 
ment, argument and measures? We certain- 
ly with as much propriety might calculate 
on the prosperity of that family, thus divi- 
ded in sentiment and argument, with 
respect to the plans and means to be em- 
ployed for its safety and welfare. We, 
would, therefore, in the words of the Apos- 
tle, exhort you to mark and avoid those 
who cause divisions and offences, contrary 
to the doctrine which you have learned; 
but if you have learned of Christ, or hist 
gospel, that it is your duty to connect your- 
selves either directly or indirectly with 
the world in an intimate way to accomp- 
lish what might be termed a religious en- 
terprize, at the expense of trampling upon 
the feelings of a majority of your brethren, 
we must say, that we have not, and we are 
persuaded our Lord and Master never in- 
tended that bis disciples should spread thuir 
ahnsdeeds before the world, and unite with 
them in any intimate way, as Himself, as 
well as the Apostles, gave strong exhorta- 
tions to the contrary. 

We have noticed the recommendations 
of the measures of one of the popular soc- 
ieties of the present day, which, if. at tended 
to and persisted in, threatens not only our 
religions but civil liberty. 

Ought we not, then as Christians, profes- 
I sing to be strangers and pilgrims on earth, 
and who are cautioned and exhorted to be 
at peace among ourselves, and as much as 
in us lies, with all mankind, to be jealous 
of these separating institutions that have 
givin rise to so much unhappy excitement, 
offeelingin Church and Slate? For, breth- 
ren, we have been called unto liberty; but 
we would caution our brethren not to use 
their liberty for an occasion to the flesh, 
but by love serve one another — And not 
serve the whims and fancies of the world, 
while at the same time we may be feeding 
a spirit of pride or emulation in endeavo- 
ring to exec! other religious denominations 
in men and means, to shew to the world 
our great zeal to the cause of God. 

The principal object of the General As- 



«sociation of Virginia, according to its con- 
stitution, wa8 to send preachers to the des- 
titute parts of this State. But have not 
their Missionaries been sent under pay 
where the people had regular Baptist 
preaching among them; and have not those 
.Missionaries sent, been forming and trying 
to form some new societies among the 
Churches, that have caused divisions and 
offences? B If they have not, we are misin- 
formed. And ha\ e they on all occasions let 
the brethren know what they were to receive 
for forming societies, and traveling, and 
preaching, and collecting their charity? We 
an! persuaded many of them have not; and 
if they have not, they surely are guilty of 
withholding a part of the priee; or, in other 
words, a pari of their benevolent opera- 
tions. We will suppose a case: Three 
neighborhoods somewhat distant from each 
o'her; a Missionary is sent to two of them 
who are tolerably well supplied with 
preachers, to collect funds to supply the 
•destitute neighborhood with preaching, 
and the man tells them that what he col- 
lects is for that special purpose; and .suppose 
he collects only $20 or $25 in his travel- 
ling; we would ask whether, according to 
the present regulations of the General As- 
sociation, any of those funds collected could 
be applied to the purpose for which it was 
said to be collected? We think not one 
cent, according to the present regulations, 
could be spared to help this desti- 
tute neighborhood to preaching, for this 
obvious reason, because it will take 

in this case the Church will have to send 
the charges exhibited against him to those 
who sent him, for trial. And by this 
means the Church is deprived of a part of 
her independence, and we think a very 
important part. 

We think before these operations can 
travel legally amons; the Baptist Churches, 
according to the present regulations of the 
General Association, we must change our 
form of government; and a book of discip- 
line must be introduced among us, to which 
we must ail subscribe, and be governed by 
the wisdom of the General Assocation of 
Virginia. Then, and in that case, all uni- 
ted and agreed to such a plan as this, there 
could be no cause of divisions, at least a- 
mong the Churches. But we think the 
Baptists generally are not prepared to do 
this, though soim might be; and we fear 
there are son e, and preachers too, who 
would wish to have things so regulated a- 
mong the Baptist Churches, as to place 
themselves upon an entire certainty in 
preaching, as to pecuniary matters, let the 
providence of God be as it might, as 
to the prosperity or adversity of the 
times; and instead of being willing to suffer 
the loss of all thing?, are unwilling to suffer 
the loss of any thing for the gospel's sake. 
We are far from believing that the Church- 
es are under no obligations, according to 
God's word, to remunerale their preacher 
as well as they conveniently can, for his 
services. But that preacher sent of God 
who will not preach without pa}', cannot 

that amount to pay the expenses of the -, be guiltless, according to God's word. And 
Missionary for collecting it. — Then, of that Church who withholds from their 
course, those who gave this .amount are ' preacher what they can* conveniently be- 
deceived in its application. But if all who ; s'Ow, can be no less guiltlc>s, according to 
hire themselves in this way to men, would God's word. But at the same time, we 
be candid enough to tell the people, where- ; think these things ought to be left between 
ever they were sent by this body, the , the Almighty & the preacher, as to his du- 
whole story, and keep back nothing from ty; and the Almighty and theCliurch, as to 
them, their operations would not be under ! their duty. The Apostle Paul certainly 
such censure as they are by many. But I vindicated his right to a maintainance of 
let us extend this plan of operation, as ! the Churches. Yet he, as a pattern for 
recommended by the General Association, ! others, (it would seem,) relinquished that 
among the Chuches, and let them give into j right for the furtherance of the gospel and 
the plan fully, and what may be the result? j wished, as it related to himself, to make 

Why, the Chur lies must send their funds 
to the General Association, and the Associ- 
ation must send them a preacher. But sup- 
pose this preacher acts beneath the dignity 
of a preacher, or even a Christian, bow, is 
the Church to manage with him, as they 
can have but little control over him, not 

the Gospel of Christ wiihouf charge, and 
not to abuse his power in the Gospel, as 
he contended lo obtain an incorruptible 

Wc can but feel jealous for the indepen- 
dence, peace and harmony of ourChuches 
when we discover such a thirst for power 
being a member, and only a temporary I in the ministry, manifested in some of the 
pastor? The probability is strong, that, i Religious Newspapers of the present dav. 



And tve hope, as the Churches of our dis- 
trict have said almost unanimously they 
did not wish to be a member of the Gener- 
al Association of Virginia, they, will not 
suffer themselves to be imposed upon by 
any of the men or measures of that bo- 
dy. We by no means wish to impugn their 
motives. But, brethren, we have said, as 
an Association, we would not be a member 
of that body, and this is known to them; 
and vvc do think for the General Associa- 
tion to send a Missionary into the bounds 
of any Church or Association, that they 
know a large majority of the brethren 
or Churches are opposed to their measures, 
to form Societies among the Churches and 
brethren, that cause divisions and offences 
among them, and that, too, on some occa- 
sions, at the instance of a letter from an un- 
known individual, is giving just grounds for 
complaint against them as a body ; and such 
conduct is truly censurable. This has been 
done, and has had the effect above named. 
And it may not be amiss to let our breth- 
ren know that some of their agents have 
the sum of §500 a year for their services, 
and others at the rate of $300, which looks 
a good deal like fixing salaries for the 
preachar. We think when a Missionary 
is sent among us, the better way to do, as 
we are now situated as an Association, 
would be to make public collections, like 
other denominations do, and every person 
would feel at liberty to contribute as much 
as they pleased, without becoming a mem- 
ber of some separating society, and grow- 
ling at his brother for not joining also. 
Brethren, the Religion of our Lord Jesus 
Christ never stood in need of any collater- 
al props to sustain it. Neither does grace 
in the heart of an individual want a socie- 
ty of all classes of men to make it benevo- 
lent, nor a separate Temperance Society to 
make its possessor a sober person. The 
anxiety ofthe primitive Apostles was drawn 
out in a great degree towards the welfare of 
the poor saints, but very unlike is the anx- 
iety manifested in a great degree, by many 
preachers in the present day. 

The forming any separate Benevolent or 
Temperance Societies among Churches, 
might be considered with many very offen- 
sive, and ought not to be objectionable, at 
any rate by a professed Christian. — But we 
will suppose, for instance, that a Temper- 
ance Society is formed in a Church and 
they unanimously adopt a rule of entire ab- 
stinence; and another, and ano her Church 
and even whole Associations should fall in- 

to the same plan, and should be so delighted 
with it that they would not only object to 
any persons joining them that would not 
subscribe to their rules, but would, to carry 
their point, call upon the Legislatures of 
different States to enact such laws as would 
renderitimpracticable forretailers to obtain 
license to vend spiritous liquors, and also 
to lay such a heavy tax on distillers as 
should render it impracticable for them to 
distil, and the Legislatures should adhere 
to their calls; what would it be but blending 
Church and State affairs, which has always 
been attended with the most sanguinary 
consequences? And we have an account 
of one Church, at least, that has adopted 
the abstinence rule. And we have seen in 
a publication entitled the Journal of Hu- 
manity, recommendations to the friends of 
the Temperance cause, so called, of the a- 
bove description. 

Brethren, we think the New Testament 
affords a sufficiency for our faith and prac- 
tice, and it, in our judgment, never has 
warranted these separate institutions among 
Churches, neither does it warrant any par- 
ticular stipend to be settled upon the 
preachers, or to be drawn from the Church- 
es. We are willing to admit the Churches 
have the privilege of adopting any rule 
they please, as an independent body, so 
that it is not a corrupt one, but at the same 
time all things, that might be lawful for 
them, might not at the same time be expe- 
dient. If we wish peace and harmony to 
prevail among us, let us follow after the 
things that make for peace. It may be, that 
in some instances a union of sentiment is so 
wanting among conscientious brethren 
with respect to the utility of many of the 
moral institutions of the present day, that 
while one is engaged with apparent fervor 
in public prayer for their success, many 
who aie present cannot conscientiously say 
amen with them; and when this state of 
things prevails among brethren, we think it 
a lamentable one, because the} 7 can't walk 
together in their petitions in such an in- 

It is no less painful than disagreeable to 
dwell on a subject like the present; and wo 
shall cherish t lie hope, that our brethren 
who have separated themselves as it were 
from the Churches, and have enlisted them- 
selves with those who are writing bitter 
things against all Baptists, who, they say, 
will not come up with them to the help of 
the Lord against the mighty, will be 
brought, to sec the propriety and utility 



of a union of sentiment and measures, in 
order to the honor, glory and advancement 
oftheRedeemer'sKingdom. And we would 
take occasion to exhort our brethren not to 
glory in men, nor in the traditions nor in- 
stitutions of men. But, says the blessed 
word, let him that glorieth, glory in this, 
that he knoweth me, that I am the Lord. 

To God, only wise, be glory, through Je- 
sus Christ for ever. — Slnica. 

IKBBKESrjS ~*™? 


SATURDAY, MAY 11, 1839. 


Bear Creel; Ga. April 18//;, 1839. 
Bro. Beehe and bro. Trolt, one or both, will 
please give the legitimate meaning of the terms 
eternal and everlasting, and sbow the difference 
if there be any. WILLMtt MOSELEY. 


Bear Creeli, Ga. .flpril 15/A,1839. 

Brethren Editors: My mind lias been rumi- 
nating on the great goodness of our divine Master 
towards his church militant, not only in his elect- 
ing love, the covenant of redemption and plan of 
redemption contained therein and revealed toman, 
his incarnation, his active and passive obedience, 
his resurrection, ascension and intercession at the 
right hand of his heavenly Father; but also his 
goodness manifest in the descent of the Holy 
Ghost, communicated through the medium of the 
gospel to the children of men, and especially to 
the church of the first born, thereby becoming the 
power of God, and by that power making Jesus 
Christ to every believer wisdom, righteousness, 
sanctification and redemption. And also his pecu- 
liar regard manifest in providing a gospel minis- 
try, and through them to communicate the bread 
of life and cause that river to flow the streams 
whereof make glad the city of God. 

All these things considered, why is it that so 
many churches languish and decline, and so ma- 
ny are destitute of a pastor or supply? To the 
first encpiiry I answer, 1st. Because they have 
left their first love, and consequently have failed 
to do their first work; but have broken down their 
family altars, backslidden into open vice, and are 
following the world instead of Jesus Christ, and 
plead the acts of the world in justification of their 
conduct; instead of being a light to the world, a 
city set upon a hill, &c< Secondly, they in imi- 
tation of the world go for number, and in the ex- 

ercise of false lenity fail to exercise discipline, 
and thereby remove the stumbling blocks and 
purge the vine as instruments in the hand of their 
heavenly Father, that it may bring forth more 

In answer to the second inquiry, I answer, 1st, 
too many of the churches have become proud, and 
if they cannot get the first gifts as they conceive, 
they will have none. And in justification of their 
conduct will say, the critical slate of things re- 
quire a man that can defend the gospel; all the 
•while forgetting that the Almighty has said, Lo, I 
will be with you; (not you only who can defend 
the gospel, but you, my ministers;) and forgetting 
that -it frequently happened, that the most skilful 
physicians are poor nurses, and that half the bat. 
tie in dangerous and lingering diseases depends 
upon a good nurse> 

2nd, They fail to take the admonition of their 
heavenly Father, and pray the Lord of the harvest 
to send laborers into his harvest; which is a plain 
proof they do not want them, for if they felt their 
needs they would certainly begi 

3rd. A prophet is not without honor, save in his 
own country and amongst his own kin. Hence 
should the Lord be pleased to raise up a young 
gift, he is neglected by the church and such an 
indiffe.ence manifested to him, that the tempter 
takes advantage of i'; and his weakness, and tells 
him, now you see you are not called to the work, 
or the church would feel for you, And thus the 
poor tempted soul sinks almost into despair, and 
figuratively speaking, is found upon his hands and 
knees at two years old; when if he had been pro. 
perly nursed he would have been upon his feet at 
twelve months old, 

3rd. Churches frequently after unanimously 
calling a pastor and enjoying his labors for years, 
drive him away, and still profess to want him to 
serve them; (and how?) First, by failing to attend 
him; and thus you will see. after he has left per-, 
haps a sick wife or child, and rode perhaps twetis- 
ty miles to attend the meeting through heat or 
cold, has neglected all his temporal concerns, he 
looks round and lo, half the male members are at 
home, and the next meeting he learns they stayed 
to attend to some trivial matter, and the church 
says, all right. 

2nd. The deacons fail ever to visit him or his 
family, or to enquire into his temporal concerns. 
The church takes no account of the neglect of her 
deacons, thus giving a plain evidence that neither 
deacon nor church cares any thing for his family, 
And if it is the chuich where his membership is, 
let all the weight fall upon him, if visiting bretlw 
ren come, never invite one till they see the preach-* 
er has got them and started home, 

3rd. If any thing is said about raising some? 



thing for liis support, whose time is entirely taken 
up in waiting upon tliem and others, A says you 
had better take care how you give him, you will 
spoil him; yes, says B, for his wife dresses now 
finer than mine. C replies, I saw his daughter at 
church the other clay, and she was the finest lady 
there; I cannot dress my daughter so. (And poor 
soul, not one farthing of his money lrad paid for 
it.) D says lie is getting rich too fast any how- 

preach any how. (Well, so do I.) But you 
must recollect Paul was forbidden of the Spirit to 
preach the gospel at certain places; and Christ 
says, if they do not receive you, (not your doc- 
trine, but you,) shake off the dust of your feet a- 
gaiust that city — and, you are a city set upon a 
hill, &c. I speak the truth when I say, some 
churches and many members of churches seem to 
think, the minister is destitute of human sensation 

And if he is likely to make a good trade, E steps | and is an ox sure enough; (work him, whip him, 
in and lakes or tries to take it out of Ins bands, abuse him, starve him, and turn him out to grassi) 
And notwithstanding the poor preacher is driven i The fact is, it is too much the case that instead of 
to his wits end, to try to get along and provide for ! counting them worthy of double honor, they mani- 
his family and friends in a becoming manner, and j fest a disposition figuratively speaking to see 
to effect the same -and attend the churches has ex- their minister always with his hat under his arm, 
cited himself till he is properly broke down and and an old bag under his saddle, 
cannot labor, and of necessity has to turn his at- j Brethren, for the Lord's sake, for your sakes, 
tent.ion !;> something else, no odds how lawful, F, ; for the sake of the oause, for the sake of your chil- 
G and H will encourage any body else in prefer- dren, your neighbors, and bleeding Zion, wake 
ence. If he reproves sin sharply, I will resent it, up and work while it is day; the night cometh 
and endeavor secretly to seek revenge. J will in- when no man can work. Cease to do evil and 
directly, by act or expression, behind his back ac- learn to do well. Drop this false lenity, execute 
cuse him of that he dare not say to his face i K discipline, purge the vine, repair the family altars, 
manifests a shyntss. L is absent at communion, offer sacrifice thereon, pray with and for one ano- 
M. comes on Saturday and stays at home on Sun- ther, love one another, he a light to the world, re- 
day. Deacon O is called upon to conclude by spect your minister, endeavor to sooth his sor- 
prayer when the preacher is almost exhausted, and rows and bear him up in the arms of faith and 
refuses again and again; and the church altogeth- prayer; for be you well assured, God will not 
er retains members in her body guilty of the worst look upon sin with allowance in Zion, nor no one 
crimes repeatedly. The poor man begins to rea- \ else; but will visit their iniquity with a rod, and 
son thus with himself, for God has given some their transgressions with stripeSi 

the gift of discerning spirits as well as hearing 
words, is it possible that this people think I have 
no feeling for my family! Can they think I am 
what I profess to be, and have none? Can they 

Yours in gospel bonds. Adieu till next timei 

The following communication is inserted, as it 

think I wish to see them less respectable than o(h- ^ a re P ] y t0 articles which heretofore appeared in 
er decent people? Do they think 1 have no feel- j our columns. But as such pieces are foreign from 
ing, that 1 cannot hear, that I cannot see, that I the design of this paper, none such will be here- 

will wink at transgression? Thus matters fre- 
quently go on until the poor minister is forced to 
conclude, that this people though they still call 
me do not receive me, and thus is driven awayi 

And now, my brethren, lt-t me appeal to you. 
Suppose you tell me, next Thursday me and my 
wife will come to see you, and by the by it is 10 
or 20 miles; and when you come, me and my wife 
are gone to town; and when you see me you say, 
well bro. we came as we promised and you were 
not there; I tell you I recollected it, but my wife 
took a notion to go to town that day — when would 

you come again? Suppose you see In my conduct j nQ p reac h e r and ljave but very little edu- 
a disposition to do all I can against yon and the I ca <j on _ 

interest of your family, would you be reconciled j j discovered in the Primitive Baptist, 
to lay aside your tempo-al interest to serve me? 1 j jq jyj yQ ] > 3^ p 3[ie 254, a piece written 
think not. Then, brethren, the directions are, as ] )y i_ cv j Lancaster, in answer to a piece 

after admitted. 


Livingston county, Kentucky, \ 
March 14/A, IS 39. $ 
Brethren Editors: I again address 
you by letter, but feeling my inability to 
write anv thing; to he inserted in the Pri- 
mitive Baptist, with so many able writers, 
almost discouraged me. But believing it 
to be my duty to do so on the present oc- 
casion, I venture to do so, although I am 

ye would men should do to you, do ye also to 
them; for this is the law and the prophets. 

But X says, I go for the man that is obliged to 

published in lhat paper written by myself 
concerning the split and the doctrine held 
and preached by the p3riy that rent from 


the Little River Association. It appears 
that I louched a tender place. Brethren, 
I was iii the Association at the time she 
rent, as well as Mr. Lancaster; and if the 
conduct of th,e party that rent off, was any 
thing like Christian conduct, I acknow- 
ledge I know nothing about the duty of a 
Christian. But to 1 lie point. It appears 
that what galled Mr. Lancaster and others 
was, that I said in my letter they were 
what the people called P&rkerites. I still 
say so, and Mr. Lancaster knows as v\ el I 
as myself, that the preachers (or most of 
them) among them, did and do yet preach 
(he two seed doctrine. But if Mr. Lan- 
caster is the man 1 think he is, I stayed all 
night at his house on my way home from 
the Association held at Crocket's Creek 
church, the year before the rent took place: 
and if he was a member of the church then 
I do not now recollect, though that matters 
not. He treated me and those with me 
very kindly, and I am sorry for him if he 
has numbered himself with those that ad- 
vocate and preach the two ^cei\ doctrine of 
Daniel Parker. I can only say to Mr. 
Lancaster at present, if the cap fits lie must 
wear it. 

Again, vol. 3rd, No. 22, page 350, I 
see a piece headed New Harmony, India- 
na, over the signature of Richard M. New- 
port. First. He says he wished to make 
a few remarks on J. II. Parker's publica- 
tion. Pie states that he does not know 
who J. H. Parker is, or what hcisdoctri- 
nally; neither does he know certainlv, 
what is the character or condition of the 
Little River Association. But he says 
there is one thing he does know, and that 
is, that J. II. Parker is a very unguarded 

Now, brethren, it is not common for 
persons to introduce themselves; but by 
tins I wish to try to make Mr Newport 
partially acquainted with me. I will here 
yay to him, that what I wrote concerning 
the doctrine held and preached by Daniel 
Parker is truth and cannot be denied; and 
I am somewhat astonished that any man, 
and particularly a preacher, should stand 
up and confront the public and at the same 
time know that he (Daniel Parker) did 
preach and publish the two seed doctrine, 
and so do his followers. I had liked to 
have said, that I believe that Mr. New- 
port knows it himself, and I think 1 will 
not retract. But, brethren, on a minute's 
reflection we can see from the course pur- 
sued by R. M. Newport, that we need not 

he the least astonished, for actions speak 
louder than words, for no person could 
have la! en exceptions at my publication 
only those that are of the same cast. New- 
port further states, if J. H. Parker is al- 
ways as unguarded in writing and speak- 
ing, he is entirely unworthy of confidence. 

Now, brethren Editors, and brethren, I 
think that I am. as well known amongst 
the brethren in the different par s of the 
(•oiled States as Newport is; and as to the 
respect or confidence they have in me. I 
leave that to those to judge that know me. 
Though I do not expect those holding and 
preaching the two seed doctrine to have 
confidence or respect towards me, as they 
are well aware that I always opposed, their 
doctrine. And, brethren, to come out in 
plain words, 1 do not want or wish their 
confidence or respect. 

Newport furthi r states, that J. H. Par- 
ker says that Daniel Parker once was an 
esteemed Baptist preacher in Kentucky. 
It is truth. .1. 11. P. still says so, in this 
publication. Newport, says, Daniel Par- 
ker never lived in Kentucky. Brethren. 
I never said he did; and if Newport will 
reflect on himself as he did on me, he will 
iind that he writes a little more unguarded 
than I do. R. M. Newport further s'ates, 
i hat J. II. P. says that I). P. went off in a 
doctrine of his own, and published the 1st 
and 2nd doses, as referred to in my publi- 
cation, &c. Newport there acknowledges 
that he (D. P.) did publish such pamphlets 
on the two seeds, and then tries to solve it 
in a mild manner by quotations to the 
scriptures, &c. R. M. Newport further 
states, that J. H. P. says that I). P. taught 
through tho c e pamphlets. I think if R. 
M. Newport will read my publication a- 
gain, he will see that he is unguarded in 
his writings, as I did not say that he taught 
through these pamphlets directly; but I 
now say so. Newport further states, that 
J. H. Parker says that D. P. taught thro' 
those pamphlets, that the devil was from 
everlasting a self existing being, equal 
with God in power, wisdom and glory. 
Brethren, it is possible that I may be mis- 
taken as to the glory being attached to the 
devil; but I still think it belongs to the 
Paikeii'es, as they sat him (the devil) on 
an equal footing with the God of heaven 
who created them; and I do know, and 
that from good authority, that D. P. did 
preach and tried to establish the doctrine 
before mentioned, and so do his prose!} tes 
in different States, say in Kentucky, Uii- 



nois, Indiana, and some in Tennessee; but 
the greater number arc in Illinois. The 
reason that I believe the greater number 
are in Illinois is, I once attended the Asso- 
ciation called tile Muddy River Associa- 
tion' on the Big Bay, in Pope county, Il- 
linois, as a corresponding messenger of the 
Little River Association, and found a ma- 
jority of that Association, (I mean those 
present) to be of the two seed order. 

tion, he should conclude he was a whole- 
sale dealer in Arminian and missiona- 
ry slander and defamation. Now, breth- 
ren, it is out of the question for any 
man to publish any thing that he knows 
nothing about; for if Newport had 
known me, he would have known that I 
always stood in opposition to the missiona- 
ries, and the two seeders, and all of their 
inventions. But as I have said before in 

Newport says (hat D. Parker never my publication, there are missionaries a- 

wrote, preached, nor published such a doc- 
trine, and then goes on to acknowledge the 
fact; not directly, but indirectly and al- 
most directly. Newport then states, that 
J. H, Parker says that D- P. moved to the 
State of Indiana, where Newport says he 
never lived, but says he did move to Craw- 
ford county, Illinois, where he was a 
neighbor fourteen years. Newport also 
6tates that he (1). P.) lived there many 
years before he published those pamphlets, 
which according to J. II. P.'s publication, 
he published in Kentucky. Now, breth- 
ren, I call on Newport to read my pub 

mongst the Little River Association, which 
is ihe Association that I belong to; but 
there are no two seeders, followers of D. 
P., they have all left and gone after their 
own flock. 

Brethren^ there is such a doctrine in the 
world, which I expect most of you know; 
and that D. Parker is or was the father of 
it; and why those embracing it will deny 
it when it comes before the public, I am at 
a loss to decide. When if you will go to 
Illinois, in the boundary of the Muddy Ri- 
ver Association, a great many of the prea- 
chers that call themselves after the Old 

licaion again, and he will see that he i School or Primitive Baptists, do contend 
has been unguarded in his publication ;f r the two seed doctrine and preach it, 
against me; as I never said he publish- |and sometimes almost to the separation of 
ed any writings of auy kind in Kcnluc- (man and wife; as one brother told me him- 
ky. I refer you to my publication. Asjself, that itcame very near separating him 
to his not living in Indiana, I suppose and his wife. For further proof on the 
I was mistaken; but was of opinion that subject of the two seed system, I refer you 
D. P. lived where he had his pamphlets to the Signs of the Times, vol. 6th, No. 
printed; though that matters not, as it is 25, page 198, and you will see there, that 
well known that he did publish his pam- there they have formed themselves in an 
phlets and particularly the Church Advo- j Association, and sent their creed and cir- 
cate in the State of Indiana, and I think jcular to the Editor for insertion; and you 
the two doses before mentioned loo; and 1 will see there, that the Editor of the Signs 
am of the opinion that all his writings were of the Times condemnsthe doctrine. 

printed in the town of New Harmony, 
where Newport was when he wrote his 
compliments to me, and sent it to the ve- 
ry town where I was raised to be inserted 
in the Primitive Baptist, 

Again; Newport states, that J. H. P. 
says that he (D. P.) then moved to' Mexi- 
co, and the last I ever heard of him the 
Spaniards killed him on account of his doc- 
trine. Brethren, I did say so in my pub- 
lication, and 1 still think so, as that has 
been the understanding in this country for 
several years past, and no person ever con- 
tradicted the report before R. M. New 

I must now come to a close. 



Blackville, So. Carolina, 
April 23d, 1S39. 
Dear Brethren: I have the pleasure 
to send you the names of three new subscri- 
bers. We have received our papers very 
well, and they are read with much satisfac- 
tion by all of the Old School faith; but we 
meet with opposition by them that have got 
the money fever. The money fever is ra- 
I refer your readers to my publica- !ging in this part of the world, and I think 
tion — though that matters not, I am willing your paper is the best medicine that I have 
that D. P. is in Texas, according to New- seen to effect, a cure for the complaint; and 
port's publication. 1 do hope, if it be the will of Ihe Lord, 

Newport further slates, that if he was to that it will make a fjnal cure of that corn- 
judge of U. P.'s namesake by his produc- 1 plaint, 



One thing more I wish to lay before my 
brethren for their consideration, and that 
is, in our Corresponding Letter of the Sa- 
Vannah River Association, they say, we fear 
the great secret of the lukewarm backslid- 
den state of which so many complain, is 
Founded in the unpleasant fact, that such 
bave rob'«jd the treasury of the Lord, by 
withholding their tithes and offerings. 
But I think they are wrong. I think the 
offering that the Lord wants us to give 
him, is our sincere heart, and not money. 
For Peter says, ye were no! redeemed with 
corruptible things as silver and gold, from 
your vain conversation received by tradi- 
tion from ydur fathers; but with tlie pre- 
cious blood of Christ. And I think Peter 
is right. 

So 1 close for the present — time will not 
admit me tosay more now — by subscribing 
myself vours in the bonds of love. 



(Alabama, Henry county, } 
Feb. 23rd, 1S39. $ 

Dear Brethren: I just write toletyou 
know that I have received my papers, and 
as soon as I expected. I was not present at 
the post office when they arrived, but now 
hasten to comply with the requirements ne- 
cessary to keep up your paper, (which 1 am 
very desirous to do.) I would wish it was 
very widely circulated throughout every 
country where there is a truly organized 
Baptist church, for according to my opin- 
ion to such the missionaries will apply for 
support; and unless they were more benefi- 
cial to the churches than I conceive them 
to be, I would be glad they were barred 
from entering into any church of the Bap- 
tist order in the United States, or any 
where else. 

I would wish, if it were prudent to do 
so, to think and speak more favorably of 
them than I do; but as Caesar and Christ are 
both entitled to their due, it is right to be 
honest in the division. I am willing to 
give the Primitives the (wheat,) and the 
derivatives (or) missionists the (chaff. ) I 
think that is a fair and very honest divis- 
ion. I have never opened my views to 
you, what the missionists are at here where 
I live. I see they get many broadsides 
fired at or on them from different quarters, 
and of the right sort of shot too. I never 
was fond of quarrels or wars. I am but 
young, still 1 feel to have a charge, and 

when the weak and the feeble lambs of 
Jesus' fold fall a prey to usurpers, I desire 
to fall with them, for only while they live 
can I live. Meanwhile I will try to ani- 
mate and comfort my dear brethren, by re- 
minding them of the gracious promises con- 
tained in the scriptures. 

I remain vours, dear brethren^ in tribu- 
lation. " JAMES F. WATSON. 


Franklin county^ Temicssee, ? 
ISth qf April, 1539. $ 

Brethren Editors: 1 have again ta- 
ken up my pen to attempt to write a few 
things for the Primitive Baptist. It seems 
that the Sneak family, as brother Rorer calls 
them, have been for some length of time 
sending me their pamphlets, yea numbers. 
So that I have said 1 will not take any 
more of them out of the office, for to pay 
postage for such trash, where I have to 
live by the sweat of the brow, I will not 
do it. 

But there were four sent to me the othef 
day, called Temperance Journal, in which 
I see so many things striking at the root of 
the tree of liberty, that I acknowledge that 
it is high time for all that have the spirit 
of liberty to be up and doing. One piece 
in that paper is endeavoring to scare the 
Old Baptists into their cause, by saying 
that it will not be long that ministers that 
drink a dram will have any hearers. I 
know they have barked up the wrong 
tree, for God himself makes Primitive 
Baptists, and therefore they are all posses- 
sed of the spirit of liberty; and they know 
that nothing but grace can prepare men 
and women for heaven. But these 
.Scribes and Pharisees say, if we can get 
the people to join this society, the millen- 
ium will burst into the world forthwith. 

Now I feel confident, from the long ac- 
quaintance I have had with many of them, 
that if they can accomplish what they are 
trying to do, that our liberty is gone. As 
for the religion of Jesus, they care nothing 
about it; but money is their aim, the love 
of which is the root of all evil. But they 
are blind as regards spiritual things, or they 
would know that all they could say or do, 
never would make the poor Old Baptists 
any thing else but what they are by grace. 
But such folks as they mould in their way, 
will beany thing they say they want them, 
to be. As regards myself, I have been a 
Baptist the rise of seventeen years, and \ 



hare been trying to make myself some { May God bless you and enable you l« 
thing else ever since; and yet remain lo be "continue the very useful paper called (he 
a poor, old, afflicted Baptist, and never ex- Prirffilivfe Baptist. I am upwards of fifty 
pect to be any thing else. I years old, and have been a Baptist the id.se 

I am glad the Lord has put it in so ma- 1 of twenty years, and have been raised by 
hy o! his dear children to write in the j Baptist parents. Arid I think your paper 
Primitive and Old Baptist Banner. I ] has life rigfil riarrie, for I think it speaks 
Wish them to be printed while I live, if , the same language that the Primitive Bap- 

tists used to speak since my recollection. 

I conclude by subscribing myself your 
well wisher, hoping that we shall soon 
meet where all jars and hard saying and 
feeling will forever cease. 


ihey will advocate the same things they 
now do, and while time shall last; as 
they with all others of the same faiih, arc 
the heralds of liberty. We,as Baptists, want 
the world of mankind to know, that we 
trust the Lord for our advancement, and 
never will petition Legislatures for to make 
laws to further our cause; for it is God's ' 

cause, and he will sustain us and raise tip 

ministers to preach arid send them hearers: Georgia, Crawford county, l 

And if they do choose to drink a dram, ail March 16th, 1839. $ 

the Sneak family cannot prevent them Beak brethren Editors: It is with 
from going to hear them that God intends pleasure I sit down to write a few lines to 
to bless through them. I want it known j you, fo inform you of our situation. We> 
that I have as little Use for drunken prca- j have at last got clear of all the Isbmaelites 
chers as any other man on earth, and the ! in our churches, and now enjoy peace as 
"Baptists have been troubled with them; the Old Baptists used to do. We have 
some in my acquaintance for years, until, formed several Associations on the Old 
lately the missionaries have Come along ! School plan, which have become asylums 
and have got them most all; and We are jfor the distressed. 

glad that we are clear of them, for they! The missionists beast of numbers, buf 
were not of us. And so' there is use for.jfear not, little flock, for it is your Father's 
birdsof various kinds to take the filth from good pleasure to give you the kingdom, 
among us, and the fowls of the air were to , We admit that many are called, but few 
lodge in the branches of the kingdom of j chosen. The missionaries speak of calling 
heaven says Jesus. | all the world; but that is a trumpet 

I wil'l now say that from several pieces I ''hat gives an uncertain Sound. And if 
have seen in the Prim., that it is the wish they could call all the world, they cannot 

give them ears to hear; but God says, his 
people shall be willing in the day of his 
power. God has given Christ a people, 
and he says they shall come to him, and he 
will raise them up at the last day. These 
will come, money or no money. But it is 
admitted that men have to live by their la- 
bor, and when from home preaching it i* 
impossible for them to be tending their 
corn at the same time, for their wife and 
children to live upon. Here two ways 
seem to meet, and here the colt (or the 
preacher) is tied. He is commanded to 
work or not eat, yet woe is me if I preach 
not the gospel. So of these two evils we 
must try to take the least, which in my 
opinion is, to try to make support for our 
families, and go preach as often as we can. 
And if churches are not so well attended 
as they would wish, they must make out 
as well as they can & enquire for the cause. 
To the Publisher — Dear Sir, it is with 
much pleasure that we still receive and 

of many to have brother Lawrence's wri- 
tings printed in a book. I was glad to hear 
it spoken of, I wish it With all my heart; I 
want to leave it for my children, that they 
may know what sort of Baptist I am. If it 
can be done by any person, I will do all I 
can for its encouragement. 

I will stop, I am so scattering. Receive 
the best wishes of a poor Old Baptist. 



Alabama, Chambers county, \ 
16th March, 1S39. $ 
Dear Bkethren: There not being any 
agent for the Primitive Baptist near where 
1 live, and several of my brethren and 
neighbors being desirous to have your pa- 
per sent to them, I have presumed to write 
you a few a lines as a private individual, 
requesting you to send us a No. to each 
name and post office below mentioned. 



r<?ad the Primitive from your press. 1 un 
derstand thnt you are not a Baptist, but a 
friend to the good old way. Be not weary 
in well doing, for in due time you shall 
reap. And may the Lord give you grace 
and make you a great blessing to his 
church. We find your labors very useful 
in this country. 1 would write ofiener, 
but there are so many abler pens and I am 
so slow, that 1 hate to begin. Tell old 
brother Lawrence to write as often as he 
ran, that we may hear from him often in 
Georgia. WM. BUWDEN. 


Orange county, No. Carolina, } 
Feb. Mth, 1839. > 
Brethren Editors: The Primitive has 
come regular and 1 am pleased well with 
the paper, as I believe they contain the 
truth. I rejoice to hear from the brethren 
in different parts of the world, believing 
that there were a few of the little ones yet 
that contend for the faith once delivered to 
the saints. I expect to communicate to 
the brethren when I get a leisure time. 


Georgia, Upson comity, ~> 
April -ill A, 1S39. 5 

Brethren Editors: Through the mer- 
cy ot God 1 again take my pen in hand to 
inform 'you, that it is with delight that I 
fcad our paper the Primitive Baptist. For 
if I am not imposed upon by my poor 
hard heart, I do want to thank God that 
there are so many contending for the good 
old way. 

I would write a little if I had time, but 
I am obliged to work in my farm and am 
very busy at this time. 1 will say, that 
the church to which I belong is in peace 
and seem to enjoy themselves as a body in 
religious matters; and since they declared 
against all the institutions of the day, there 
has been a moderate increase. 

Nothing more at present, but 1 remain 
yours as ever. 



Green county, Alabama, ) 
April 5th, 1839. $ 
Dear brethren Editors: 1 avail the 
present opportunity of addressing you a 

r i!vv lines in way of acquaintance; though 
nany miles distant from each other, yet in 
heart I feel we are not strangers. I re- 
ceive your Primitive tolerably regular, 
which gives me great satisfaction to discov- 
er there are yet more thai! seven thousand 
that have not bowed their knees to Baal; 
for God has never left himself without a 

NoWj my dear brethren, I must, inform 
you that in 1S37, we had a split in our 
church; there were fourteen left us, there 
remained fifty-one Old School Baptists 
which are at peace and see eye to eye and 
speak one and the same in Christ. Though 
at first it were grievous, but now it is joy- 
ous to see that the missionary storm is 
blown over and we are at peace; for it is 
written, a house divided against itself can- 
not stand. Therefore, my brethren, wc 
are commanded to come out from amongst 
them, touch not, taste not, handle not, the 
unclean, — and be ye separate. 

Dear brethren, if you think the above 
worth publishing, do make all necessary 
corrections — if not, lay it aside. 

Yours, as ever. 




North Carolina. — J. Biggs, Sen. JVilliamsfon 
R. M. G. Moore, Germanton. W. W. Mizell, Ply- 
mouth. Jacob Swindell, Washington, James Sou- 
therland, Warrenton. Alfred Partin, Raleigh. 
Charles Mason, Roxboro\ James Wilder, An- 
derson's Store. Benj. Bynum, Speight's Bridge. H. 
Avera, Averasboro" 1 '. Parham Pucket, Riehlands. 
John H. Keneday, Chalk Level. Burwell Tem- 
ple, Wake county. Obadiah Sowell, Rogers' 1 P. 0. 
Geo. W. McNeely, Leaksville. Win. H. Vann, 
Long Creek Bridge. Thomas Bagley, Smithfield, 
Stephen Rogers, Holly Spring. James H. Sasser, 
Waynesboro' . John Fruit, Sandy Creek. L. B. 
Bennett, Heathville. William J. Roberts, Buffalo 
Hill, Alfred Ellis, Strabane. Cor's Canaday, 
Carterettsville. William Welch, Abbott's Creekt 
J. Lamb, Camden C. Hi Allen Taylor, Jun. 
Rocky Mount. A. B. Bp.ins, Ju Stanhope. 

South Carolina. — Wm. Hardy, Saluda Will, 
Tames ITembree, Sen. Anderson C. H. Charles 
Carter, Cambridge. Bi Lawrence, Effingham, 
James Burris, Sen. Bold Spring. William S. 
Shaw, Rock Mills. Levi Lee, Blackville. 

Georgia. — William Moseley, Bear Creek. Al- 
len Cleveland, McDonough. John McKenney, For- 
syth. Anthony Holloway, Lagrange. P. M. Cal- 
houn, Knoxville. J. M, Rockmqre, Mountain Creek, 
R.Reese, Eatonton. Tho's Amis, Lexington. Jona, 
Neel, Macon. Charles P. Hansford, Union Hill. 
John W. Turner, Pleasant Hill. Joshua Bowdoin, 
Adairsvillc. R.Toler, Upaloie. Clark Jackson, Fort 
Gaines. John Gayden, Franklin. John S. Keith, 
I Luthcrsville, P. H. Edwards, Georgetown. Wm. 



'Trice, Thomastonu Wm. DdWqcii, Union Valley. 
Ezra McCrary, Warrenlon. Wiley Pearce, Cairo. 
G. W. Holifield, Vernon. B. Pace, Clean Town. 
Lewis Peacock, Cassville. Vachal D. Whatley, 
Barnesville. Alex. Garden, Mount <Mbrnei Elias 0. 
Hawthorn, Bainbridge. J. G. Wintring-ham, Hal/o- 
ca. Wm. M. Amos, Greenville. Randolph Arnold, 
Latimer's Store. Thomas Ji Bazempi'e, Clinton. 
Josiah Stovall, Jtquilla. G. P. Cannon, Culluden- 
ville. Jason Grier, Indian Springs. William 
McElvy, Mtupulgns. Furna Ivey, Milledgeville. 
William. Garrett, Cation Hirer. Jesse Moore, 
Irwinton. Leonard Pratt, Whitesville. Thomas 
A. Sullivan, Osedturi Thomas J. Johnson, New- 
nan. Israel Hendon, Shi]o. Robert 13. Mann, 
Chesnut Grove. William Tippit, Cedar Branch. 
A. G. Simmons, Hickory Grove. John Lanhon, 
Chenuba. Thomas Ci Trice, Ilillsboro', John 
Herington, Welbom's Milts. John McCorquo- 
dale, Purchitula. James P, Ellis, PincviWe. Shu- 
inatn Ji Sloan, Chesnut Hill. French Haggard* 
Athens-. Henry Barron, Jackson, John Murray, 
Fort Valley. Josiah Gresham, Uloy. ■ Daniel 0'- 
Neel, Fowllon. John Applewhite, Waynesboro 1 * , 
J. B. Morgan, Friendship, Samuel Williams, 
Pair Play. John Wayne, Cain's, Edmund 
Stewart, Hootensville. R, S. Hamriclc, Carrolilon. 
Alabama. — L. B. Mosely, Cahawba. A. Kea- 
tonj McConico. John Blackstone, La Fayette. W. 
W. Carlisle, Fredonia. Henry Dance, Daniel's 
Prairie. Wm. W. Walker, Liberty Hill. Dan'l 
Gafford, Greenville. Samuel Moore, Snow Hill. 
John G.Walker, Milton. Henry Williams, Ha- 
vana. Samuel Clay, Mount Hebron. John F. Lo- 
Vett, Mount Pleasant, Flias Daniel, Church Bill. 
John Bonds, Clinton, David Johnston, Leighton. 
Adam McCreary, Brooklyn. Josiah Jones, Jack- 
son. David Jacks, New Market. Nherrod Wi 
Harris, Vienna. John McQueen, Graves' Ferry. 
"William Talley, Mount Moriah, Graddy Her- 
Tin<r, Clayton. Gi W.Jeter, Pint Lala, Samuel 
Ci Johnson, Pliasant Grove. William Crutcher, 
Huntsville. \S illiam Hi Cook, Pickcnsvillc. 
Seaborn Hamrick. Plan/ersville. William Mel- 
ton, Blujf Port. James Si Morgan, Dayton. Win. 
Hyde, Gainesville, Rufus Daniel, Jameston, An- 
derson W. Bullard, Tasgcgcc. Frederick Hines, 
Gustotii Z. Johns, Tiara, Eli McDonald, Pains- 
nille. A. Mitchell, Carter's Hill. William Pow- 
ell, YoungsviWe. James Hay, IVucooca, Silas 
Monk, Horse Shoe Bend, R. Lackey, Scraper. 
James F. Watson, Abbeville, David Treadwell, 
Mount Hickory. Allen Knight, Argus, Joseph 
Hi Holloway, Haz\e Green. Luke R. Simmons, 

Tennessee. — A. V. Farmer, Blair's Ferry. M. 
H. Sellers, Ten Mile. Wm. Patrick, Poplar Corner. 
Michel Burkhalter, Chceksvitle, Tho's K. Clingan, 
Smith's 'A Roads. W.E.Pope, Philadelphia. Aaron 
Compton, Somerville. Charles Henderson, Emery 
Iron Works. Asa Newport, Meesville. James 
MauWen, Van Burcn. A. Burroughs, JVesley. Wm. 
Croom, Jackson. Daniel Briggs, Decatur. Clem 
mons Sanders, Mount Vernon. Daniel Webb, 
Lexington. Sion Bass, Three Forks, JohnW. 
Sprinrrer, Sugar Creek. Smith Hansbrough, Jacks 
Cree/n William Si Smith, Winchester. Isham 
Simmons, Calhoun. Thomas Hill, Sevierville. 
Ira E. Doutbit, f/ynchburg, C.T. Echols, Mifflin. 
Aaron Tison, Medon. Levi Kirkland, TVaverly. 
A.bner Steed, Faycltcvillc, Henry Randolph, 

S.wdysville. Pleasant E. Witt, Cheek's 'A Road-.t 
J. Cooper, Uhionvi/le. George Turner, Wavcrly; 
Michael Branson, Long Savannah. Jasi H. Hol- 
loway, Hazel Green, William McBee, Old Towii 

Mississippi.— -Jesse Battle, Meridian Springs. 
Richmond Baines, Dailville. W'orsham Mann, 
Columbus. Silas Dohbs, Brooklyn. Henry Pet- 
ty, Zion. William Hudclleston, Thomastqn. Na- 
than Tims, Kosciusko. Jonathan D. Cain, Wu- 

Florida, — James Alderman, China Grove; Da- 
vid Callaway, Cherry Lake. 

Louisiana. — Peter Bankston, Marburyville. — 
Thomas Paxton, Greensboro'. Uriah Stevens, 
Pine Grove. 

Missouri. — Calvin Newport, Springfield^ 

Illinois. — Richard M. Newport, Grand View, 
James Marshall, Salem. Joel Ferguson, Danville. 

Indiana. — Peter Saltzman, New Harmony. 1- 
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WiKiam Burns* Halifax C, H, George W. Sari- 
ford, Harrisonburg. Jesse Lankford, Bowers'si 
Elijah Hansbrough, Somerville, Wilson Daven- 
port, While House, 

Dis. Columbia. — Gilbert Beebe, Alexandria. 

Pennsylvania. — Hezekiah West, South Hill. 
Joseph Hughes, Gum Tied Nathan Everitt, 
Chi/licoa/s Town. 

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SATURDAY, MAY 25, 1839, 

No. 10. 



Sampler cmtn1?p Alabama, } 
March 28/ h, 1839. 5 
(cmilintied jrom page 25. ) 
"Dear Brethren: In accordance with 
previous promise and of things of greater 
moment still, I am induced to continue the 
relation of the dissolution of the Choctaw 
Association. I have been remiss, 'tis 
true, for which I am sorry. ,In connection 
with what has gone before I will just pre- 
viously remark, that to give a particular 
minute relation of every occurring circum- 
stance that transpired at the time and 
place, would be to oecupy more lime and 

ile andplain to be seen; in almost every 
direction, countenances expressive of ex- 
quisite joy were apparent. The reverse of 
which, however among the missionists was 
plain and indicative of something intended. 
Squads, small collections, almost in every 
direction, were to be seen; jealousy and 
suspicion were visibly apparent, two con- 
tending parties had now met occupying the 

The members composing the Association 
met and convened at the house. Business 
proceeded to. Among the arrangements 
a. committee of five were appointed, to ar- 
range preaching for the Association and 
make report. In their wisdom they (the 
committee) designated and appointed, Pet- 
ty and Pearsall for the present to occupy 
the stand the remainder part of the day, 
who had kept distant from the Associa- 

room in your useful instructive paper than ition. No apparent objection rendered. 

1 am entitled to, or willing to engross. So 
here it is in miniature only, improve on it 
at your leisure. 

In connection with what has been for- 
merly suggested I would remark in rela- 
tion, that on Saturday the Association met 
agreeably to appointment. The introduc- 
tory sermon was preached at the stand to 
a large, attentive, desirous assemblage. 
Much good apparently was effected. An 
Old School herald preached in good ear- 
nest. 'Twas real food indeed for. many 
present. In the meanwhile the following 
made their appearance, that is, Petty, 

In their services they appeared to give ge- 
neral satisfaction to all present, excepting a 
few missionists, some of which were noted 
placed spies for the express purpose, who 
were sent for 'tis presumed; and a few 
Arminians who you know, brethren, are 
not for common fond of old corn. 

The above brethren i. e. Petty and Pear- 
sall, were re-appointed with the addition 
of two more, that is, Cook and Laltimore. 
The arrangement stood thus: Cook, Lati- 
more, Pearsall and Petty, who were to 
preach in the order of their names on the 
following Lord's day. The same were 

Cook and Pearsall, who arc in the bounds announced to the Association. No rert 

and members of the newly constituted Pil- 
grim's Rest Association; who had dissent- 
ed from and came out of the Union Asso- 
ciation. Their visible appearance like Ti- 
tus of old diffused universal gladness and 
joy among many present. The joy and 
exultation were inexpressible, were visi- 

dcred objection to either of the reports of 
the committee were made yet, all seemed 
to acquiesce. An entry of the same 'tis 
presumed was or ought to have been made, 
as it was an approved act of the Associa- 
tion. Petty, Cook and Pearsall still kept 
aloof from the Association. 



Early the next day met a large, anxious! 
and desirous assemblage. What was the 
event of past occurrences in the interim? 
Behold an objection was now rendered^ lo 
answer their premeditated purpose of ex- 
position. Petty, Cook and Pe'arsall were 
objected to by the adverse party; the oth- 
er, Lattimore, retained, being their cham- 
pion, their confident sent for one. The 
astonishment among the numerous host 
was inexpressibly great. Confusion, tur- 
moil ensued; irritation, sorrow and grief 
were visible. A select few were the cause, 
the primary and only cause of all the pre- 
sent confusion. The committee were fre- 
quently urged to re-appoint others to fill 
the concerted vacancy, but to no effect; a 
majority stood firm and inexorable to their 
first resolve, knowing the ardent wishes 
of the Association and the prevalent mind 
of the congregation in accordance with 
their own. How good and praiseworthy it 
is to be firm and determinate in a good 
cause. Consistently 'lis presumed, the 
committee could not alter and re-appoint in 
the present instance. The report had been 
submitted to and confirmed by theAssoci- 
» ation, and they as their agents were impe- 

^y riously bound to act in accordance to their 
confirmed wishes. Admitting for a mo- 
ment, in order to gratify the adverse few, 
that the committee had gratified the anx- 
ious few, would they not have excelled 
1heir bounds and present limits? Would 
they have acted in obedience and would 
they not have reflected on the Association 
and brought reproach thereon, and would 
ihey have paid due respect to the sacred 
injunction of doing unto others as they 
would wish others to do unto them, and 
would they not have gratified a few in their 
unreasonable and unjust demands at the 
woful expense and injury of a host, as it 
■were? 13ut above all, in the result would 
they not have trifled with and abused and 
trampled rectitude and justice under foot, 
and would not the blessed ineffable cause 
have sustained a momentary loss? Why 
did not these peculiar noted anxious few 
object lo the appointments made, in the 
proper place and time?' Why take the co- 
vert of the night, as it were, to answer 
their dark premeditated purposes? And 
why not come out openly and plainly as 
men of rectitude? 

Afier the Association had adjourned on 
Saturday until Monday, why did those as- 
siduous particular few in the intermediate 
space endeavor to undo what the Associa- 

tion had done and confirmed in her collcc* , 
live united capacity? On Monday why sd 
anxiously endeavor to impose on supposed 
ignorance, and to palm and enforce a pri- 
vate calumniating entry of a few individu- 
als on the Association, and to have it 
spread, displayed and exhibited on her Mi- 
nutes as an approved act of hers, when it 
was nothing more nor less than a private 
individual malicious composed entry of a 
few, noted envious individuals, in order to 
defame and blacken with odium!! 

It was deplorable indeed in the extreme 
beyond words to express, to observe the' 
confusion and visible distraction of the 
anxious waiting multitude, and the odious 
calumniating spirit from whence it all ori- 
ginated. They were like unto squander- 
ed dispersed sheep, destitute of pasturage 
and fosleringXshepherds to feed and tocon- 
sole. O my soul, ma}' I never again be 
witness lo, so doleful So distressing a scene 
as was then exhibited. 

'Twas supposed from the anxiety re- 
peatedly expressed, that three-fourths or 
more of the congregation were particular- 
ly desirous to hear the peculiar objected 
worthies, many of whom had come from 
afar to hear them; and it was currently re- 
ported that upwards of three hundred left 
the occupied ground with apparent disgust 
on discovering the singular bestowed ill 
treatment on those already alluded to, and 
on finding they were disappointed in their 
pleasing fond anticipations. A proposi- 
tion was made to this effect by one of the 
objected ones, that he was willing (though 
appointed* by the authority of the Associa- 
tion) to leave the issue the determination 
of his preaching to the impartial decision of 
the impatient anxious congregation. This, 
however, they apparently and visibly refu- 
sed, seeing and believing from every ap- 
pearance how it would eventuate. 

The missionaries ultimately had the en- 
tire possession of the stand, missionary- 
like; the others altogether all declined, as 
they were for desirable peace, kept distant, 
giving the others unmolested fair opportu- 
nity. A noted one amongst them, a pecu- 
liar, elegant, nice, spruce, eloquent, polite 
dandy, while haranguing, well remember- 
ed those peculiar, eminent, envied wor- 
thies, that had gone before in preaching on 
Saturday; his lesson and previous instruc- 
tion being well gotten and matured, envy 
and malignity were visible and predomi- 
nant to a perverse criminal degree, occupy- 
ing his fruitful, inventive, copious mind. 



tie in his manly bold scurrility represent- 
erj them as monkeys, baboons, merry An- 
drews, anecdotals, &c. &o. Poor man, be 
is to be pitied indeed, for lie little thought 
what he was then doing, what his brava- 
does, &c. &c. would amount to, (though 
in accordance with many of like stamp;) 
and of the reflecting inevitable consequent 
result, and that he Was in estimation and 
in the view of many present who consid- 
ered him, (and justly too, 'tis presumed,) 
as acting (be conspicuous odious part in 
the ignominious drama of a celebrated buf- 
foon, a JMopus, a filthy dreamer. This, 
however, is not to be wondered at, it was 
but a small sample indeed of the prevalent 
odious spirit exhibited in all its despicable, 
accumulative, ruinous train. This is evi- 
dent to an ocular review without further 
altercation. "Blind, headlong steps in- 
deed." We are enjoined "to owe no 
hian," giving to all men their credit. In 
compliance with, we are compelled to say 
in the above present case, that he is a migh- 
ty one, a conspicuous, a polished shaft, in- 
deed a Goliah of unusual stature, far excel- 
ling all l lie then present peculiar noted 
ones. He preached, 'tis true, but "poor 
preach loo" it was, to the poor, disconso- 
late, doubting, distressed, enquiring, hun- 
gry, thirsting soul, and the guilty, despon- 
ding, despairing culprit. 

Again: another of the same cabal, as a- 
bove though of inferior cast, remarked in 
the plenitude of his superior wisdom and 
self importance, that Pearsall on Saturday 
had preached erroneous, corrupt, false 
doctrine, &c. &c. ; because he P. had as- 
serted to this effect, that Christ was the on- 
ly Saviour, and that the gospel was not a 
Saviour in no instance whatever; for to 
admit it even in a particle, as such would 
Lie an in'fringemet on and derogatory from 
the blessed one indeed; and that it would 
be placing it in a position where it never 
was intended as such; but that it is a reve- 
lation, a proclamation, a testification, a love- 
letter from the sublime Court, a precious 
bundle of good news in reality.* 

Again: it was observed by another re- 
nowned celebrated one of the same junto, 
that, "if P. were to be the talented one the 
Lord help us, I pity poor *****." Fear 

* 'Tis the request of several of the brethren, 
that bro. Lawrence would be so good and obli- 
ging as to give his ideas respecting the gospel be- 
ing a Saviourt Broi please renew to us your 
former favors conferred when opportunity offers, 
and you will in this region oblige many. 

not, there is a time for all things under the 
sun. Afl things eventually will work to- 
gether for good, to a certain peculiar few 
only though. Haman had his day of exul- 
tation, pray what was the direful result? 

It was further remarked by the mission- 
ary conclave, that they were much surpri- 
sed indeed, to think that the Association 
had made so indifferent, so Wretched a 
choice, a selection; to occupy the stand on 
the Lord's day, when there was s@ much 
present superior, elevated, conspicuous, 
singular talent among us." How much 
like Haman! "to whom would the 
king delight to honor more than to my- 
self." Pray take a little shame and wel- 
come, 'tis your due; Now* you missiona- 
ries, did not you all act in concert to grati- 
fy self and others who aided? were not 
those particular characters your object? 
Your schemes were previously artfully laid 
to blacken and defame. You were not "ra- 
tified, however, in one single instance. 
All the Association excepting the mission- 
aries were in their favor, a large over- 
whelming majority of the respectable, nu- 
merous, desirous congregation gave them 
the decided preference. You did not suc- 
ceed in one particular. Why not? the rea- 
son is obviousj a guardian angel was round 
about them. 'Twas a meeting of wonders, 
of wonders. Providence was visible, con- 
spicuous. You were completely and pow- 
erfully discomfilted; though you may think 
otherwise, time will determine, to the 
shame and confusion of many. Praise 
and thanks be to his exalted name for his 
unmerited benefits, he has not foEgotfea 
Zion in her forlorn abject state. 

I would remark, that since being at the 
above Association, 1 have frequently 
thought of the Revolutionary conflict, that 
it was a war of miracles and how glorious- 
ly it terminated. Is it not a presage afford- 
ing a pleasing consoling reflection, that the 
present contest will ultimately terminate 
for good. Respecting my promise rela- 
tive to the Union and Pilgrim's Rest As- 
sociations, I shall omit, leaving the relation 
to some other more becoming pen. I hope 
it will be noticed, but must however say, in 
accordance with former and present feelings 
of Pilgrim's Rest Association, I was there, 
and 'twas a feast indeed to hear the repeat- 
ed harmonious sound of the golden bells- 
no discord like it formerly was. All peace 
love and harmony. I was made to rejoice, 
'twas a foretaste of heaven, as it were; was, 
loth to part indeed 'twas so delightful^ oft- 



en in amaze and pleasing wonder. my 
soul, praise the Lord for his unspeakable 
goodness to poor afflicted Zion. what a 
different scene this, and was here displayed 
from that of the poor distressed Choctaw 
Association; but a momentary time before, 
love and good will were reciprocal, rolling 
from breast to breast. what a different 
scene was now to be discovered, the Al- 
mighty had condescended to and had de- 
scended from his lofty imperial abode, fill- 
ing the occupied the peculiar place with 
his royal presence. Several of the faithful 
Choctaw heralds and many of her laity 
participated with them; 'twas a feast in- 
deed; may the like often be renewed; 
This is the happy the glorious effect of the 
separation from the Union Association, &c. 
&c. rf. KENTON. 

Mr. Howard: Dear friend, in connec- 
tion with many in this section, I am pecu- 
liarly gratified to hear of the continuation 
of the little, despised, calumniated "Prim," 
Its being despised by whom it is, 'tis a 
good omen, a favorable indication indeed 
of its merit; I should be distrustful of its 
worth, if all and every one spoke well in 
commendation, &c. From my long ac- 
quaintance with your character, and the 
recommendations of peculiar noted ones of 
long standing in the field of tried repute, 
some of which 1 am personally and well 
acquainted with, from such testimony, &c. 
adduced, I have the greatest confidence in 
your rectiude, probity and adequate abili- 
ty. May you be blessed in the pious lau- 
dable undertaking and be amply remu- 
nerated, in connection the good wishes 
and prayers of your numerous correspon- 
dents. The Lord bless you. Adieu. 
«tf. KEATON. 


Georgia, Monroe county, ~) 
Feb'y 6th, 1839. $ 
Brethren Editors: 1 see through the 
Primitive Baptist that bio. Bennett is no 
longer Editor, which 1 was sorry to hear; 
but 1 see it is to be continued upon the 
same terms as hercfore. I hope it. will 
lose nothing on that ground, as I see the 
Old School Baptist ministers and laity are 
the Editors of the little Primitive Breth- 
ren, I hope it will not fall to the ground, 
for I wish to take it as long as 1 live, or so 
long as it advocates the doctrine it has 
heretofore. For 1 would split rails of 
nights, if 1 was not able to pay the trilling 

sum of one dollar without doing so; for I 
do esteem it very much for the doctrine it 
propagates. For 1 have spent many social 
minutes in reading letters from my pre- 
cious brethren in different parts of the Uni- 
ted Slates, and it is a medium by which we 
can speak often one to another. 

Dear brethren, I see in the Christian In- 
dex, 6 vol. No. 43, page 678, the pream- 
ble and resolutions of the Columbus Asso- 
ciation, to which I wish to mate a few re- 
marks; as I see they have laid great stress 
upon the Old School Baptists, and have 
told it in Gath, and published it in the 
streets of Askelon, and caused the daugh- 
ters of the Philistines, the uneircumcisedy 
to rejoice. And as I deem it public pro- 
perty,' I wish to give it publicity, from 
Dan to Bcersheba, (that is, from Maine to" 
Louisiana;) that you may see the fallacy of 
them Arminians composing the aforesaid 
Association. The preamble and resolu- 
tions are as follows: 

"Whereas a few who bear the name of 
Baptists have declared non-fellowship with 
all benevolent institutions, such as tempe- 
rance, Sunday school, missionary, Bible, 
tract, &c. and persons friendly to themy 
and have made new requisitions to church 
membership heretofore unknown to the 
denomination, Be it resolved, that we re- 
commend to the denomination to hold 
all such churches and individuals to be in 
disorder, having Set up a new standard of 
fellowship alike opposed to the word of 
God and the long established principles and 
practice of the Baptist denomination. And 
be it further resolved, that while they 
maintain their present position and persist 
in the enforcement of this new requisition 
to fellowship, we disclaim all connection 
with them and would thus notify the pub- 
lic, that we are not identified with nor do 
we wish to be held accountable for or have 
our principles or characters determined by 
their strange course. And be it further 
resolved, that we recommend to our breth- 
ren not to invite in iheir pulpits such men 
as are engaged in preaching against all be- 
nevolent institutions, promoting divisions 
in the churches, and who favor a declara- 
tion of non-fellowship upon' principles 
above mentioned." 

Brethren Editors, the above is a true 
copy of their morbid resolutions against 
the O. S. Baptists, because they cannot 
be priest-ridden and be made to fall down 
and worship Baal, and be made to cry, 
Great is Diana of the Ephesians. No, 



brethren Editors, the Old School Baptists 
will not worship their calves (the institu- 
tions of the da}',) which were brooded by 
that arrant whore of Rome, which have 
been fostered and cherished by false tea- 
chers to make money, in all ages of the 
world. For Peter says, there were false 
prophets also among the people, even as 
there shall be false teachers among you, 
who privily shall bring in damnable here- 
sies, even denying the Lord that bought 
them; and many shall follow their perni- 
cious ways, by reason of whom the way of 
truth shall be evil spoken of. So, dear 
brethren Editors, you see the way of truth 
is evil spoken of by the great, the learned 
of this world, who are loading 0. S. Bap- 
tists with all the odious epithets that they 
possibly can; such as, departing from ori- 
ginal principles and have set up a new stan- 
dard of fellowship, such as is opposed to 
the word of God — which they know to be 
lies, for they have been often challenged to 
support the schemes of the day by the word 
of God, which they cannot do, nor are 
they by the word of God. For they must 
have been invented b}' false teachers, in or- 
der to make merchandize of the dear chil- 
dren of God; and have been the cause of j 
all the distress now in the Baptist church- 
es in the United States. And we are com- 
manded to touch not, handle not the un- 
clean thing. And further, we are com- 
manded to COME OUT OF HER, MY 
PEOPLE, that ye be not partakers of her 
sins, that 3'e receive not of her plagues. 
And we have obeyed the voice, and have 
come out of her, Mystery Babylon, the 
great, the mother of harlots; and establish- 
ed ourselves upon original principles, up- 
on the foundation of the apostles and 
prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the 
chief corner stone. 

And now, brethren, let us stand fast in 
the liberty wherewith Christ has made us 
free, and be not entangled again with the 
yoke of bondage. And now let us notice 
those morbid resolutions, and see if they 
are not sorely diseased. They have accu- 
sed us of new requisitions to church mem- 
bership, and of having acted against the 
long standing principles of the Baptist de- 
nomination in declaiing a non-fellowship 
with the aforesaid institutions. Now, 
brethren, let us see how old this longstan- 
ding principle of theirs is, relative to the 
institutions of the day. And in proof of 
their old standing principles, I see they 
have given a chronology of missions, and 

have given a catalogue of societies in eigh- 
ty items, commencing at the Roman Cath- 
olic chureh A. D. 1539, and then coming 
down step by step showing the formation 
of each society by the Presbyterians and 
Episcopalians, down to date 1792; and 
showing a Baptist Home Missionary Soci- 
ety in England, which is the first Baptist 
missionary society I see in the catalogue; 
which they say are of such ancient date, 
being a long standing principle. Then 
again, Baptist Board of Commissioners for 
Foreign Missions, IS 14; Temperance So- 
ciety, 1S11; Sunday School Union, A. D. 
1S26. Now, Messrs. Arminians, those 
are your long standing principles, and you 
have reached three centuries back to get 
them, and have got the remains of an har- 
lot or part of them; and I think you would 
receive the whole of them if you had law 
power. Now, sirs, are not those societies 
above mentioned new requisitions accord- 
ing to your own declaration? I think you 
must answer yea. And, sirs, you have 
charged us of departing from original prin- 
ciples, when you are trying to make 
church traffic of - the dear saints of God. 
And we protested to such traffic, as yours 
are new requisitions in the apostolic day, 
such as was practised in the harlot church 
of Rome, and is practised at this present 
time. Now, sirs, you cannot find no such 
precepts or examples in the whole tenor of 
the Bible, and that should be the Chris- 
tian's guide. For Paul says, all scripture 
is given by inspiration of God, and is pro- 
fitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correc- 
tion, for instruction in righteousness. 

Now, sirs, what caused the great refor- 
mation of the sect called the Waldenses? 
Why,, sirs, because the church of Rome 
had departed from the written word of 
God, and turned truth into fables, and had 
gone a/tray following the way of Balaam, 
who loved the wages of unrighteousness. 
This poor persecuted sect protested against 
such a course, as all Christians should, and 
they were called heretics. And now, 
brethren, may we do as that poor persecu- 
ted sect done, abhor that arrant whore of 
Rome and all her blasphemy; drink not of 
her cursed cup, obey not her decrees. 
Now, missionaries, yours are new measures 
and inventions of men, and if fostered they 
will bring back the old tobacco worm and 
whipping post destroyed by our forefathers 
in 1776. 

Dear brethren, forgive me in writing as 
much as 1 have, for I am afraid I shall be 



in the way of those that are able to write. 
I will try to make amends for the future. 
My mind was crowded, and I wanted to 
say something after perusing the aforesaid 
preamble and resolutions. I hope you will 
forgive. I now subscribe myself your 
bro. in tribulation. 



South Carolina, Greenville district, ~> 
April 18, 1S39. 5 

Brethren Editors: I drop you a few 
lines to let you know how we are doing in 
this section of country. We have been 
plagued with the missionary spirit, but 
we, a small church at Mush Creek, have 
declared a non-fellowship with all the new 
schemes of the day. For 1 believe that 
they are wrong, for Christ says, that he is 
the way, the truth, and the life. John, 14 
and 6. 

Brethren, I believe that there is no way 
right but what we find written in the Holy 
Scriptures; though the missionaries are 
some little like Goliah of Gath. He defi- 
ed the armies of the living God, but when 
little David faced him with his sling and 
stone, the giant fell to the ground like Da- 
gon before the ark. And when the true 
preachers of God come with the sling of 
trulh, the missionaries will be like the gi- 
ants that Bunyan speaks of, Pope and Pa- 
gan, they can do nothing but grin at poor 
pilgrims as they pass along. Something 
like this has been done already, but. I feel 
determined through grace divine to stand 
on the rock of eternal ages if I be there at 
all. So I close this epistle by subscribing 
myself your brolher in tribulation. 




Scllcrsburg, Indiana, ~> 
Dec. 1st, 183S. 5 

Bro. Bfnnett: 1 have been taking 
your valuable paper these two years past, 
with some of my brethren. May the 
Lord enable you and your correspondents 
lo earnestly contend for the faith which 
was once delivered to the saints, and ali to 
ppeak the same language and advance one 
doctrine in order to be uniform in one sen- 
timent; for, united wc stand, divided we 

Oh, that God would visit Zion and awa- 
ken them that sleep. The time has come 

that wc that are Regular Baptists ought lo 
be strongly united in both faitn and prac- 
tice, and engaged with the Lord in fervent 
prayer; for the Lord has called us to acti- 
vity. For his saints should be lively 
stones, not prayerles«, not careless, but to 
let our lights so shine before men that they 
may behold our good works that God may 
be glorified. We should not neglect the 
assembling of ourselves together as the 
manner of some is, because iniquity 
abounds the love of many waxes cold. 

I have travelled about sixteen hundred 
miles this year, and have preached up- 
wards of one hundred sermons; and in 
some places the cause of Christ is prosper- 
ing, but in some others it is on the de- 
cline. And here is one mystery to me: 
why will any one that, has lasted that the 
Lord is gracious, had their sins forgiven, 
the love of God shed abroad in their souls 
by the Holy Ghost, should be careless, 
neglectful in the cause and business of the 
Lord, almost or quite forget the day of 
meeting. Oh, bro., can a child of God for- 
get the precious Saviour? Can they lose 
that relish for Christ? Can they forget his 
sorrows, his pains, his groans, and even his 
death? No, no; this cannot be, unless 
the Lord should give them up to the buf- 
fetings of satari, for some misconduct or 
some cause on the saints' part. For the 
Lord will chastise his disobedient children, 
and the greatest chastisement is, the with- 
drawing the presence of Christ. 

Has the time come that the fulness of the 
Gentiles has come, and they are to be cut 
off as the Jews were, and the true spiritual 
Israel are to be grafted in, that the true 
church is to have all the presence of Christ, 
and none other society to prosper but God's 
church that he has purchased with his 
blood, that the power of God will be so 
fully manifest that all shall know the Lord 
from the least to the greatest, that is, all of 
God's children — that Zion shall rest quiet- 
ly from her enemies, that is, the false soci- 
eties for they are her enemies? But the 
brightness of Christ's coming will destroy 
error and falsehood; if they abide not still 
in unbelief they shall be grafted in, for 
God is able to graft them in again. 

For I would not, brethren, that ye should 
be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should 
be wise in your own conceit. That blind- 
ness in part has happened to Israel until 
the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. So 
all Israel shall be saved, for they are belov- 
ed for the Father's sake. Oh, the depth 



or the riches both of the wisdom and know- 
ledge of God! how unsearchable are his 
judgments and his ways past finding out! 
For who halh known the mind of the Lord, 
or who halh been his counsellor, or who 
hath first given to him and it shall be re- 
compensed unto him again? For of him, 
and through him, and to him are all things; 
to whom be glory for ever. Amen. 

Remember me in your prayers. Your 
brother in Christ, and servant of the Lord. 


Georgia, Trovp county, ~) 
Jan. \2tk, 1S39. $ 
Brethren Editors: I send you an ex- 
tract 8 volume and 4 number of the Home 
Missionary American Pastor's Journal, in 
which the rights of freemen are invaded. 
Through which publication the free born 
sons of America can discover the mark of 
the beast that John saw, which rose up out 
of the earth having two horns like a lamb; 
which I believe is the institution system of 



Halifax counh/, Virginia, 
April 16 1 h, 183.9. 

Dear brethren in Christ: I wish lo 
communicate to you through the Primitive 
Baptist, the state of things in this part of 
God's vineyard. As it respects religion 
we are in a cold state, but we are united as 
a church in faith and practice, and are en- 
deavoring to contend for the faith once de- 
livered to the saints; which faith we be- 
lieve to be the faith of God's elect. But 
we have enemies to encounter with amongst 
those who profess to be followers of Christ, 
but they speak a different language and 
preach doctrine different from the apostles' 

We are glad, if not deceived, to hear 
from various parts of the country that there 
are so many of the Regular or Old School 
brethren engaged in the same good cause, 
who believe as we believe and preach as 
we preach. It would be cheering to our 
poor hearts to see some of our brethren 
from a distance, and to hear them preach; 
for the nominal professors in our country 
say we preach such hard doctrine and run 
against the moneyed schemes of the day 
and the inventions of men. We indulge 
a hope the time is not far distant when 

there will be a final separation from thein- 
stitutionists or as they call themselves ef- 
fort Baptists. Their doctrine is so conge- 
nial with human nature and so pleasing to 
the flesh, that the doctrine of eternal and 
particular election is so mortifying to the 
pride of the heart they cannot stand it; and 
they try to throw contempt upon us for 
holding and contending for the doctrine of 
election and the final perseverance of the 
saints, and immersion to be baptism only, 
and will not go with them in their notions 
and human traditions and inventions of 
men; which things are inimical to the 
plain word of God. But the apostle in his 
2 epistle to Timothy, 2 ch. 19 ver. said: 
Nevertheless the foundation of God stand- 
eth sure, having this seal, the Lord know- 
eth them that are his. And the Saviour 
said: All that the Father giveth me, shall 
come to me. The people of God are a 
given people, and a chosen people. Eph. 
1. 4: According as he hath chosen us in 
him before the foundation of the world, 
that we should be holy, without blame be- 
fore him in love. S verse: Having pre- 
destinated us unto the adoption of children 
by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the 
good pleasure of his will, they have the 
spirit of Christ. Now if any man have not 
the spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Ro- 
mans, 8. 9: And they are led by the spirit 
of God, and they have the promise of the 
adorable Jesus that as he lives they shall 
live also. It would be inconsistent to say 
a man was drowned, while his head was 
living. Christ is said to be the h?ad of his 
church; see Eph. 4 ch. And the mem- 
bers of his mystical body are as essentially 
united to Christ, as Christ is to his heaven- 
ly Father. John, 17. 21. We are told in 
scripture, Isaiah, 54. 13: And all thy chil- 
dren shall be taught of the Lord, and great 
is the peace of thy children. 

Again, the adorable Jesus said: It is 
written in the prophets, and they shall all. 
be taught of God. Every man therefore 
that hath heard, and learned of the Father, 
cometh unto me. John, 6. 45. This tea- 
ching and hearing will not apply to human 
teaching, n'.," hearing externally; but to 
the teaching of the Holy Spirit, and hear- 
ing internally^ He that hath ears to hear, 
let him hear. Mat. 11. 15. It is not in 
the power of all the effort men in the 
world to give the hearing car, nor feeling 
heart. Not by might, nor by power, but 
by my Spirit, saith the Lord of hosts, 
Zech. 4. 6. 



So I believe that the effort party ore n 
misguided people that are charmed with 
sparks of their own kindling, and offering 
to God a strange fire; but they will have to 
be taught by the Spirit of God, or they will 
still pursue that way that seems light to 
them. For the wise man Solomon said: 
There is a way which seemeth right unto a 
man, but the end thereof are the ways of 
death. Prov. 14. 12. So it is no strange 
thing to us, that they should follow human 
traditions or the inventions of men, under 
the cloak of benevolence, (falsely so call- 
ed,) which some professing, have erred 
concerning the- faith. Nevertheless, the 
foundation of God standelh sure, having 
this seal, the Lord knoweth them lhat are 
his. 2 Tim. 2. 7. 

I must now come to a close by subscri- 
bing myself your brother in bonds of the 


Alabama, Randolph county, ~) 
January \0th, 1839. <J 
Dear Brethren: 1 have taken my pen 
in hand for the first time to write for any 

Well now I want to inform my loving 
brethren throughout the world, that in this 
county there are a few thit have not wor- 
shipped any calf or calves yet, viz: the be- 
nevolent societies as they are" so called. As 
long as I hnve been acquainted with 
calves, I never knew one to have as many 
names as that little bleating calf that the 
Slate Convention made some years back. 
The gentlemen in many parts of the world 
are y;oing almost every where, trying to 
get God's people to v^pjfshlp them. Some- 
time back somebody brought one in this 
neighborhood. I was told they call- 
ed it Temperance Society* Whoever 
heard such a name for a calf before, and 
not see it nor the owner neither? Are we 
willing for olher people to bring their 
stock into our range, especially liltle 
calves and no cow to ^ive them milk? 
But I was told lhat these calves could 
not suck, th;it the owners would beg mo- 
ney for them. I once asked, who owns 
these liltle calves? I was told that thev 
belong to preachers. Well, I did. not say 
much about them no way, nor did not in- 
tend to hurt the little mangy things;" but 
being closely at my master's work one 

periodical of the day, being an old soldier time, they the calves were all brought in 

full view right before me. And my mas- 
ter bid me not go round them, and I obey- 
; ed my master and went on them sword in 


if one at all. But through the mercies of 
God I can say with Paul, I am what I am. 

Dear brethren, I am well pleased with 
the Primitive paper; it is the only plan '■ hand, cutting on every side and not or 
that could have been adopted for God's escaped. So the slaughter was great, so 
people to converse with each other in Ibis great lhat the owners thought I ought to 
our day. I had understood that all the niafee, some recompense. 1 told them to 
Baptists were missionaries, only those in go on my master, the work was his, &c. 
my acquaintance; but the Primitive paper j Dear brethren, I have been one of tho 
tells me it is not so, and now 1 am very Old School boys ever since I have been a 

certain it was nothing more than a mission- 
ary tale, &c. 

Dear brethren, 1 have been a Baptist for 
twenty-three years. The Old School Bap- 
tists in North Carolina, at New Hope 
church in Iredell county, received me a 
poor sinner by experience into their fellow- 
ship; and I am no better yet, though 1 
have tried lo pray many times since and 
often tried to preach. But what can a 
poor sinner do? why nothing. But lhat 
great Almighty God can do wonders, he 
can spe 
his peopl 

impossible for a man to preach the gospel, (table of the moneychangers, and hold Ju 

member of God's church, and expect to die 
one for this reason, I have the same Old 
School book the Bible, and it, the Bible has 
taught me not to covet no man's gold, nor 
silver, nor apparel. And this is not all, 
for it the Bible has taught me to know that 
God is God Almighty, a God of all power 
and wisdom; one lhat will do right and is 
able to carry on his own work, and will 
carry it on over the head of every opposi- 
tion, and that without money; though the 
missionaries say he the great Almighty 

It is 

:ak through the organ of clay unto Ood cannot, for the want, of money. It is 
)le. This is the only way the gos- a wonder that they do not declare an un- 
reached unto a dying world. It is fellowship with Jesus, for oversetting the 
; » .ble for a man to preach the gospel, i ta!)le of thc moneychangers, and hold Ju- 
unless he has grace in his soul; though he das as their beloved brother, 
may have all the book learning in the I Dear brethren, I have had many corn- 
world and void of grace, he is none of bats with thc New School fellows, who can 
^. ,. , ° ' i < ~„ „ „„,-.,\ i„„., n <,.ith <!,,-,;.. r^-^i™ 

God's preachers. 

| get on a good horse with their forelop 



brushed up and unnecessary apparel on, 
something I do not know what to call it; 
they put it on after they put their shirt on, 
anil it hides their shirt collar. My wife 
says they call it a shirt lie. Having many 
things to say, hut I shall conclude by sub- 
scribing myself yours in best of love. 



SATURDAY, MAY 25, 1839. 

Wc are unable to furnish new subscribers wilh 
the back numbers of this volume. They can re- 
ceive the first numbers of the next volume to make 
up their subscription year, or they can pay in pro- 
portion for what they receive of this volume, as 
they may choose. 


Bear Creel;, Gu. April 17//;, 1S3J). 
Brethren Editors: I learn from reading the 
word of the Lord, both in the Old Testament as 
regards its figurative priesthood, and in the New, 
that all true ministers of Christ are called of God, 
and through the influence of his Spirit operating 
upon the hearts of his people, in accordance with 
the direction found in his word, are set apart to 
the work of the ministry. For, says the word, no 

ity which was the great sacrificial offering, his 
sinless perfection which rendered it acceptable to 
(iod, his active and passive obedience by which 
he magnified and made honorable the law of his 
heavenly Father, his resurrection by the power of 
the eternal God, and ascension and intercession to 
and at the right hand of his heavenly Father, by 
which sinners are justified before God, as you 
may see 1 Pet. 1 eh. 3. v. Together with the 
everlasting love of God the Father, treasured up 
in the covenant of redemption from all eternity, 
and thus manifest through Christ the Son or me- 
diator, and made known to sinners through the 
gospel which is the power of God; thus effecting 
regeneration and implanting in them eternal life. 
And hence it is said: And this is life eternal, to 
know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ 
whom thou hast sent. 

Now as the gospel is rooted in springs from, 
and is an exhibition of our Lord Jesus Christ, no 
marvel that an individual destitute of the know- 
ledge of Christ and influenced by sinister mo- 
tives, comes forward wilh something that is a 
perfect jargon. For as their motives are not 
sincere and self-aggrandisement their aim, you 
will see them always changing and catching at 
every new thing that they think will please the 
fancy of fools and tickle those that have itching 
ears. And great God! how many are there in 
these days who be blind leaders of the blind. 

2nd. There are some that arc deceived in the 

man talieth this honor to himself, but he that 
is called of God as was Aaron. Paul, called to ' matter ami yet may he- Christians, that from the 
be an apostle, of Jesus Christ, not by man, nor the power of deception must run any how, tidings or 
will of man, but of God. Paul, a servant of Je- \ no tidings; whom the spiritual Captain of the 
sus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto ' hosts, for some cause known to himself, permits 
the gospel of God. Again: Paul, called to be an to run. And these not being separated unto the 
apostle of Jesus Christ, through the will of God. j gospel of God, the whole is a tumult from iirst to 
Again; Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, by the ; lasti There is nothing in all he says consoling to 
will of God. the saint, or alarming to the sinner; but every 

These, with many more corresponding passa- time and on all occasions, when they make an at- 
ges, prove beyond a doubt, that the Almighty calls tempt the time goes heavily on. 
men first to be servants, and then ministers, and | 3rdly. There are others that no doubt are Chris- 
qualifies for the work; whether they be a learned ' tians and gifted men, and if they were only oceu- 
Paul, an ignorant Peter, or an unlearned John. ; pied in their proper spheres would be useful; but 
And hence one said, our sufficiency is of God. I for the want of observation on their part, and per- 
AU these things considered, why is it that there j haps having a little more zeal than knowledge, and 
is such a difference of sentiment and practice a- ! for want of searching the scriptures and a spirit of 
mongst them, and even among those of the , faithfulness on the part of the church, they are oc- 
same order? To which I answer, there are copying where they ought not. For I learn in 
several reasons, viz: 1st. All are not Israel the word, God has given the gift of exhortation; 
that are of Israel, and all are not minis- but, brethren, where is the man with that gift 
ters that profess to be and are set apart to the j who is exercising in that sphere alone in this day? 
work; as you m-vy see 2 Pet. 2 chap. 1 ver.: But All must preach, all must be ordained; and when 
there were false prophets among the people, even some attempt to advance doctrine all areconfoun- 

as there shall he false teachers among you. 

Now, my brethren, the gospel of our Lord is no- 
thing more nor less than an exhibition of Jesus 
Christ as regards his eternal godhead, his liuman- 

ded, and instead of the advancement of the Re- 
deemer's kingdom (he rather an injury is done. 

4th. It arises in many who are Chiistians and 
called to and separated unto the gospel of Christ, 



from the imperfection of human nature and pride, 
that enemy of all righteousness. For, says St. 
Paul: Sirs, we are men with like passions with 
yourselves. Hence not gods, but poor frail men; 
when left to ourselves subject to err. And hence, 
however beautiful and sublime the idea may seem 
to us, we may be deceived; and if we do not test 
well by the infallible standard, we may offer it to 
the people and it be as erroneous as the doctrine of 
Mahomet; for that, (that is of the flesh is flesh,) 
and as such opposed to the Sp.iriti And I am far 
from believing, that all that the best of ministers 
say, comes blazing right down from heaven; for 
if so, we would be far ahead of old Paul, for says 
he: I speak this as a man— and again: I do not 
say that I have the Spirit, &c. But, brethren, 
having once taken the ground and being thus im- 
perfect, if we do not watch and pray, in will step 
pride and say, do not give it up it will argue igno- 
rance in you; and besides, if you acknowledge 
you are wrong that will place A on higher ground 
than you, for you know he first cavilled the idea. 
And thus it frequently happens that a difference 
arises to the wounding of feeling and the cause of 

5th. This imperfect nature is the mother of 
pride and they always go together, and this is the 
cause that young preachers are so afraid of, and to 
preach before old ones, whom they say they be- 
lieve are faithful ministers of the crosSi For, says 
pride, (being instructed of her mother like the 
(laughter of Herodias,) if you preach before bro, 
B. you know if you make one misquotation or of- 
fer a wrong idea, he will know it and tell you of 
iti And thus bro. C. chooses to keep to himself 
until he thinks he is fully grown, and perhaps 
well grown in error too; all the while forgetting 
that if bro. B> be thus strong, he is the better able 
to bear the infirmities of the weak, and should he 
reprove if he is a man of God it will be adminis- 
tered in love and designed for your good, in the 
removing of error that truth may shine. And tnat 
it takes the same grace to instruct and keep him 
right as a frail man, that it does you; and last but 
not least, that his object is your good, the glory 
of God, and the good of souls. Hence, young 
brethren, (if I may class myself unworthy as I am 
there,) handle us and see that we are not spirits, 
for spirits have not flesh and bones as you see us 

Brethren, ministers of the Old School, let us 
individually examine ourselves and our doctrine 
by the telescope of eternal truth, and long for the 
crucifixion of our imperfect nature; and by the 
help of God with sword of the Spirit and armor of 
all prayer endeavor to slay pride. Churches of 
the Old School Baptists, whom I love in truth, 
WAJvIj UP and in the strength of Elijah's God 

endeavor without favor or affection to any, to dis- 
charge your duties and see that every man stands 
in his place and looks upon our spiritual Gideon 
and does-as he does, having your lamps trimmed 
and your lights burning, having on the breast- 
plate of righteousness, taking the shield 6f faith 
and the sword of the Spirit which is the wortl of 
God, having your feet shod with the preparation of 
the gospel' of peace, and having done all things to 
stand — stand therefore. Adieu, till next time. 


Cambridge, So. Carolina, ^ 
April 20(h, 1839. ^ 

Dear Editors: Your paper is very un- 
popular at this place, but it has done a 
great deal of good in exposing the schemes 
of the day. Its influence is to, be seen by 
an observing mind, in them that pretend 
to condemn it. There are few, very few, 
that are willing to oppose a large majority 
least they should become unpopular them- 
selves. Persevere — if you are right you 
will stand when your persecutors shall be 
no more — so says the word. 

Nothing more, but. I remain yours, as 


Jllabama, Thnry county, > 
j$rii \l3t%, 1839. 5 

Dear Brethren: I see the columns of 
your paper are opened for a defence where 
Associations, churches, or individuals, 
may have been slandered by the mission- 
ary. I feel that the design of your paper 
invites my pen, for it embraces my case. I 
want to write of the fall of an Association, 
and of matters and things pertaining to the 
same; of what slanders went o6\ from un- 
der its authority before its death, which 
may stand as valid abroad, the public hav- 
ing never been belter informed. There 
are churches and individuals that have 
been slandered by that Association, myself 
amongst the rest, Besides throwing the 
calumny off of myseff and others and the 
churches, to where it justly belongs, there 
is one more thing compels me to write — 
that is, the churches heretofore belonging 
to said Association have it in mind to be 
re-constitutecl. I cannot see the use of 
that — another thing — unless they had 
given satisfaction to the religious part of 
our communily the causes for which she 
(the Association) died. I say she the new- 



!y constituted has no right, neither could 
she expect in justice a correspondence with 
other Associations. And this fact I will 
clearly defend. I fain would that some 
abler pen had undertaken this subject; but. 
none comes forward, so I in much weak- 
ness take it up. 

In the Minutes of (he Chatfahaoehv Ri- 
ver Association for the year 1S33, Jere- 
miah Kimbill and James F. Watson, toge- 
ther with two churches, (viz:) the Depen- 
dence and New Hope, stand as withdrawn 
from, by said Association. So be it. I 
wonder if you will have faith sufficient to 
believe me when I inform you, that the 
.Moderator at that Association was an ex- 
communicate, and that he had the impu- 
dence to represent himself as a delegate to 
that Association from the very church that 
held him on their dockets as an excommu- 
nicate? Notice — delegated by the church, 
bearing; her letter, and she knew nothing 
of it; but sent up her own delegation, bear- 
ing her letter 01 love to the Association. 
By such a man was the Association mode- 
rated at that time. 

I want to give a fuller explanation on this 
matter, for the satisfaction ofall that it may 
concern, that they may judge of the up- 
rightness of the course pursued by that As- 
sociation in her publications; but 1 leave it 
for a future time, fearing 1 have already 
been too lengthy in my introduction. The 
matter is important, as character has been 
unjustly slandered. 

I hope you will feel for me, dear breth- 
ren, and pray God to give me wisdom, 
fortitude, and love to God and my fellow- 
man, to walk as a Christian ought. Fare- 
well for the present. 



Pittsylvania, Va. Jan. 23,1839. 

Dear Brethren: I here will say to 
you, that I much regret the loss of brother 
Bennett as our Editor, when consulting 
the flesh; for he has discharged his duly as 
Editor to my satisfaction, for which I 
thank him and my God. But when I 
think of my God and his power, I think he 
can carry on his own work and believe he 
will. So I again through much weakness, 
do by the kind permission of God, wish to 
let you hear from me on the all-important 
subject of religion. 

And for this subject I will give you some 
thoughts on the Slh chapter of the Acts. 

Now from reading this chapter, we find 
ihat Philip planted ihe church in Samaria, 
and I will say he was not hired to go there, 
nor hired to raise a church when he did 
get there. No, brethren, he was not like 
the hirelings that are in this day of dark- 
ness and error; no, Philip was not, for he 
went without money. And it was by and 
through the wickedness of Saul that Philip 
did go to Samaria, and I believe that God's 
eternal purpose was to be fulfilled in this 
way. See 3rd verse says: As for Saul, he 
made havock of the church, entering into 
every house, and haling men and women, 
committed them to prison. Now, breth- 
ren, read the 4th and 5th verses, and you 
can see that the persecution by Saul was 
the cause of the saints being scattered a- 
broad, and the cause of their preaching ev- 
ery where. And this was the way it plea- 
sed God to send Philip to Samaria, and he 
was not sent with money but was sent by 
the will of God and his power and purpose. 
So it pleased him by the persecution of 
Saul to fulfil his eternal purpose. 

So we ought not, my brethren, to think 
hard of persecution or rail out against those 
who persecute us or speak evil of us; but 
let us try to pray for them, and pray the 
Lot! to sanctify it to their and our good 
and his glory. And let us take courage at 
such things, seeing that such things have 
been for the good of Zion. So let us glory 
in tribulation and persecution, believing 
that ah things work together for good to 
them that love God and are the called ac- 
cording to his purpose. 

The 8th verse says: There was great joy 
in that city. Now the joy was greater than 
it was when Simon bewitched the people of 
the same city- Yes, there was then the 
joy of the religion of Jesus Christ, and so 
it is great joy; and I hope I have been 
made a partaker of this joy, and that by the 
power of God. But I must notice Simon, 
as he is in the 9th verse, and tell what I 
think of him. Now it does appear that 
this man Simon was a great man in Sama- 
ria, before time; which 1 suppose to be, 
before Philip's time there. So he Simon 
was a great man and did bewitch the peo- 
ple, and the word says he did from the 
least to the greatest; so they all thought 
him to be the great power of God. So all 
the people were subject to this man before 
Philip's time there, but when Philip prea- 
ched the kingdom of God and the things 
concerning Jesus, they were baptized, both 
men and women. Now, brethren, J be- 



licve thai Philip's preaching was attended I fall from grace, as some vainly suppose: no 
with the power and (he Spirit of God ; and j the}' cannot, for the word of truth says, the 

so there was much good done by Philip's 
preaching, so as to cause both men and wo 
men to be baptised. But no children were 
ever baptised by the apostles, no, not one 
ever was, and there is no command for it 
in the scriptures; so it is wrong. But to 
Simon — you see he did not confess to be- 
lieve until the people of Samaria had left 
him, and so he like a Sneak said he believ- 
ed too; but I say he did not believe from 
the revelation of God, and was not renewed 
by grace in his soul. No, he was not; for 
the 13th verse says: Then Simon himself 
believed also — which is after all the rest — 
and when he was baptised he continued 
with Philip; notice — and wondered, be- 
holding the miracles and signs which were 

Here you, my readers, may see that Si- 
mon was only a professor and not a pos- 
sessor; for if he had been made by the 
power of God to believe to the salvation of 
his soul, he would not have wondered at 
the things which Philip did. No, I say 
he would not, for he then would have 
known that God had power on earth to 
forgive sins, and would have known that 
Jesus was to give repentance to Israel; and 
would not have wondered at the work of 
God — no, he would not. But he was like 
the priests in this day, who want to make 
money by pretending to do that which 
ihey know nothing about. For vou see 
that he Simon did bewitch the people be- 
fore Philip's time, by telling them lies to 
get their money. 

See IS, 19 and 20 verses — here you may 
sec that he did not understand it, for he 
thought that the gift of God might be pur- 
chased with money. Peter tells him that 
his heart is not right in the sight of God, 
and that he had no part nor lot in this mat- 
ter, &c. Now I think he had never been 
brought to partake of the first resurrection. 
Here 1 will say, that I believe Jesus is 
the first resurrection, and will say, that 
blessed and holy is every one that has a 
part in the first resurrection; because the 
second death shall not have power over 
thein. And again, I believe that all man- 
kind in nature are dead in trespasses and 
sin, and they arc raised from this death by 
the power and spirit of God; and then and 
there they are made partakers of the first 
resurrection, and then they are blessed and 
holy because the second death shall not 
have power over them. So they cannot 

second death shall not have any power 
over them. So you can see that, they that 
have a part in the first resurrection have a 
part in Jesus, and cannot fall into second 

Nothing more at present, but as ever 
your brother in tribulation. 



North Carolina, Ci/m'/iick covnly, 
March 2Sth, 1S39. 

Dear Editors: You will please to send 
me six numbers of the Primitive Baptist, 
commencing with the first number of the 
fourth volume. I have recently seen some 
of your Primitives and am well pleased 
with them, and I think once they come to 
be read amongst the brethren, there will be 
more subscribers. 

I must inform you, that at the church at 
Powel's Point there has been a revival in 
the Old Regular Baptist side; since the 
first of September last, there has been nine 
restored and twenty-one baptised. 


FOR THE primitive battist. 

Georgia, Troup county, 
April 2nd, 1S39. 
Dear brethren Editors: This is the 
second piece that I ever offered 1o a press 
to publish in life, and when I wrote the 
first piece I thought it would be the last. 
But in viewing things published in the 
Primitive, 4 vol. and 4 No. and in the 
Signs of the Times, 7 vol. and 6 No. which 
made me think of a circumstance that took 
place in Georgia, on account of the Gover- 
nor's election. A youns; man travelling 
from the lower part of the State fell in 
company with an old man in the upper 
part of the Slate and asked him, how he 
thought the election would go, and who he 
intended to support? and the old man 
gravely told him who he wished to be elec- 
ted, and who he intended to support. The 
young traveller then asked him, if he was 
not an old revolutionary soldier? and the 
old man said, yes. The young man being 
surprised, why, said he, all the old revolu- 
tionaries in our country will support the 
other man. No wonder, said the old man, 
for your revolutionaries down the country 



and ours up the country fought one anoth- 
er in the old war. 

And I am fearful, that the Old School 
Baptists in the North are ut war with the 
Old School in Ihe Souih$ and 0, I do feel 
pained at the heart on account of if, for I 
cannot fellowship the New School doc- 
trines, for they are truly as Paul said: Let 
God be true, but every man a liar. But 
some of them will tell lies, without being 
asked for them. 

Now I will say to Elder Lawrence, that 
I do love his writings or the greater part of 
them; for it is in part truth before my own 
eyes. Nevertheless my dear old father, 
I wish you to use as much healing balm as 
possible after you get the sore well eat 
out, and use as few harsh words as you can 
conveniently; for yoti know Paul had to 
use a few harsh words in certain cases, but 
soft words feed lambs the best. 

Now I will say to my dear old brother 
Becbe, though you answer Elder Law- 
rence in the title of a boy, I will say I have 
read your paper the Signs, in which you 
claim the Old School principle and have 
recommended the Primitive Baptist in it 
as worthy of the Old School Baptists. 
And I can say I have been well pleased 
with both the Signs and the Primitive, in 
most of the writings that they contained; 
nevertheless, my dear brother Bcebe, you 
alarmed me in your 6 No. vol. 7, for I 
really think that you acted too hasty; for 
Elder Lawrence requested his brethren to 
keep a watchful eye over him and his wri- 
tings. Forgive me, brother Bcebe, for my 
thoughts; for I really thought from your 
statement, that you had not watched over 
brother Lawrence's writings in the Old 
School periodicals as you had in the New, 
or you could not have found so many Old 
School brethren hurt by the things that 
were handed about in them. Now, bro- 
ther Beebe, you will not have your own 
travels handed about in them, or at least I 
see you contradict them. 

Now, my dear brother Beebe, I will say 
it is my heart's desire that the Signs of the 
Times and the Primitive may be sustained 
from this time dear of error and in peace 
with each other. And to avoid all contro- 
versy, let every brother who wishes any 
piece published, set down the State and 
county or place where the)- live, and their 
true name at the bottom, or not publish it. 
And then I think if every brother when 
he sees any thing in any brother's remarks 
of a heterodox natuiCj to first have an un- 

derstanding by private letter and offer 
your views in lieu of his, and perhaps he 
might gladly receive them or convince you 
by private letter that he was right. And 
in case there cannot a reconciliation take 
place, then in tiiat case select out between 
yourselves two or three of the elders who 
are not prejudiced on either side, to give 
i heir piews in that particular, and perhaps 
it might give satisfaction on both sides. 
And in pursuing some plan like this, the 
Old School periodicals may live and be 
read with pleasure when we are dead and 
gone; but otherwise, I fear. 

And now I will say to all the great wri- 
ters in the Old School periodicals, not to he 
too ready to answer deep questions, nor 
too forward to put them to others. Hidden 
things belong to God, but revealed things 
to us and our children; and Paul said, not 
to strive about questions, for they gender 
strife. And you know it was by plowing 
Sampson's heifer that they got to find out 
his riddle, and so U: may be again. And I 
of late have thought, that the religious pe- 
riodicals were more like Sampson's fire 
brands at the foxes tails than any thing 
else, for they burnt i-p all the corn; and I 
believe the New and Old School periodi- 
cals have nearly put down all the true and 
genuine religion. And if the Old School 
periodicalscannot beconducted in peace and 
love, we had better unite with some of old 
and bring forward both New and Old, and 
to the amount of the fifty thousand pieces 
of silver,_ and commit them to the flames. 
Rut if they can be conducted in brotherly 
love, I pray heaven's blessings upon them. 

So farewell, in the bonds of peace. 



Shelby county, Mabama, 1 
March 24th, 1839. 5 

Dear Editors: Myself with five oth- 
ers have been taking your paper the Pri- 
mitive Baptist for the last twehe months. 
I wish to continue to take it so long as it 
is published. The reason I wish to conti- 
nue to take it is, because it contains that 
truth that will stand when that sign appears 
that John saw when the angel set one foot 
on the land and the other on the sea, and 
swear by him that liveth for ever and ever 
that time should be no longer. 

There is a great commotion in Alabama 
about the new schemes, of the day, but I 
see a great many fulfilling the command 



of the Saviour, Come ye but From among 
them and be ye separate — and I hope will 
continue to do so till the people of God 
will be able to know one another when they 
meet. 1 would write Something for publi- 
cation on this subject, but knowing there 
are so many able writers that are writing 
to you daily, and being apprised of my own 
ignorance and want of language as well as 
education, it is best forme to remain silent 
and read the communications of others. 
Yours, respeclfullv, 



Dear brethren, the circulation of ydiir' 
valuable paper is increasing in this coun- 
try, and the blessed cause of our Redeem- 
er gaining ground. And may the Lord 
influence by his Spirit, till the dear chil- 
dren of God shall get clear of the galling 
yoke of oppression, and realize that bless- 
ed freedom spoken of in the scripture: If 
trie Son shall make ycu free, you shall be 
free indeed; 

Yours in the best of bonds. &.c. 


During the session of the Columbus As- 
sociation, some of the churches who had 
been disturbed by those who are intermed- 
dling with the peace of churches, express- 
ed an anxious wish to know in what light 
they should be held. It was thought best 

Lynchburg, Tennessee, } 

April M I h, IS. '39. S 

DkAR Brethren Editors: Through tht 

mercies of a kind Redeemer, lam permit 

ted to write you again in relation to your I to refer the subject to a meeting of the min 
patrons at this place. I have nothing new isters and deacons present. Whereupon 
to communicate. Religion appears to wear I such/a meeting was called, and a number of 
its wintry dress. There is great interest \ brethren assembled. Bro. 0. Echols was 
taken in the reading of your paper by called to the Chair, and bro. J. E. Dawson 

those who take them at this place. 
Yours, Sic. in Christian love. 


was requested to act as Secretary. 

After much discussion and friendly in- 
terchange of sentiments, a committee was 
appointed consisting of one from each As- 
sociation represented to embody the views 
of the meeting and report. After due time 
the committee reported the following pre- 
March 9th, 1S39. 5 ' amble and resolutions, which were unani- 
BretDren Editors: 1 have to inform | mou'sly adopted by the meeting and signed 
vou that two of the names that I sent you by the brethren whose names are affixed 
have declined taking your paper, you may 
continue the balance as heretofore and I 

Georgia, Oglethorpe county, ? 

send you ten dollars. 


Whereas a few who bear the name of 
Baptist have declared non-fellowship with 

I have nothing of importance to write at all benevolent societies, such as Tempe- 

this lime, but hope that, God may direct 
Ihose that do write by the influence of his 
Holy Spirit- Yours in the bonds of the 
gospel of Christ. THOS. AMIS. 


Chambers county, Alabama, ? 
April 91 h, 1839. 5 
Dear Brethren: I have sent you a 
preamble and resolutions, entered into at a 
meeting of ministers and deacons from se- 
veral Associations in Georgia and Alaba- 
ma, of the New School Baptists, their 
names and appellationsaccompanyingthcm, 
for publication for the use and benefit ol the 
Primitive Baptists and all others who read 
this paper, &c. Please give it a place. I 
am anxious for my brethren to know that 
these things arc so. 

ranee, Sunday School, Missionary, Bible, 
Tract, &c. and persons friendly to them, 
and have made new requisitions to church 
membership heretofore unknown to the 
denomination. Be it resolved, that we re- 
commend to the denomination to bold all 
such churches and individuals to be in dis- 
order. Having set up a new standard of 
fellowship, alike opposed to the word of 
God and the long established principles 
and practice of the Baptist denomination. 

And be it further resolved, that while 
they maintain their present position and 
persist in the enforcement of this new re- 
quisition to fellowship, we disclaim all 
connection with them and would thus no- 
tify the public, that we are not identified 
with nor do we wish to be held accounta- 
ble for or have our principles or characters 
determined by their strange course. 




And be it further resolved, that we re 
commend to our brethren not »o invite in 
to their pulpits such men as are engaged in 
breaching against all Benevolent institu- 
tions, promoting divisions in the churches, 
and who favor a declaration of non-fellow- 
ship upon the principles above mentioned. 

Columbus Asso. Ga. — Rev. J. Perry- 
man, G. D. Waldrop, H. Powell, C. C. 
Willis; S; W. Durham, J. VV. David, G. 
Granberrv, J. C. Kendrick, Win. Hen- 
derson, G. VV. Key, S. D. Terry, B. B. 
Buckhanon. Deacon H. Weekly, M. A. 
George, R. Harris, J. Boykin, T. Smith, 
J. Nighton, T. A. Thornton, L. Walker, 
J. Almond, M. Hall, J. Carter, P. W. 

Liberty Association, Ala. — Rev. 0. 
Echols, F. Callaway. Deacon B. Stamps 

Western — Rev. J. Whitten. Deacon 
J: Davenport, J. Hurd. 

Sarepta—Rev. VV; B. Jones. 

Bethel— Rev. J. Davis, J. M. Davis. 

Rehoboth — Rev. J. King. 

Central— Rev. J. E. Dawson. 
.November, 1858. 


Sumter county, Alabama, ) 
April 15th, 1839. $ 
Brethren Editors: 1 have been ta- 
king your valuable paper some length of 
time, and as I do esteem the Primitive Bap- 
tist highly for the principles it supports, I 
wish to continue taking it while it supports 
the principles it now does. Brethren, 
stand firm without wavering; let us con- 
tend earnestly for the faith once delivered 
to the saints. So I must conclude. May 
the Lord be with you in your undertaking, 
is my prayer for Christ's sake. 



Georgia, Carroll county, 
April Bill, 1839. 
Brethren Editors: I was a subscri- 
ber for your valuable paper, and v\hen I 
was about to move I was loth to give up 
the privilege of reading them; and after 
turning the matter every way I could, 1 
thought best to stop until I could get set- 
tled, not knowing what sort of people my 
lot would fall among. I came from the 
midst of the new isms, and I have fallen in 
the midst of those sort of people that say 

they have no fellowship Tor the missiona- 
ries, yet this Tallapoosa Association has 
agreed not to correspond with no Associa- 
tion at all. Now, brethren, this is a bad 
way for brotherly love to continue: They 
that feared (he Lord spS.ke often one to the 
other, &c. 

Brethren Editors, since I have been 
here while hearing Baptists talking I have 
been working, and have got a few to take 
your paper as I did believe it was calcula- 
ted to cause them to see where they were. 

Hoping you will send the papers, and 
oblige yours. R. S. HAMRICK. 

TO editors primitive baptist. 

Mount Hickory, Alabama, > 
April 23rd, 1S39. S 

Dear brethren Editors: I hereby 
acknowledge the receipt of six copies of the 
Primitive Baptist, in accordance with my 
request, and I want you to continue send- 
ing them until 3'ou are directed otherwise; 
and according to my promise, I send yoii 
five dollars fo* the papers above men- 

I conclude by subscribing myself your 
brother in gospel bonds, praying the Lord 
to continue your usefulness to the poor Old 
Fashioned Baptists. 




North Carolina. — .1. Biggs, Sen. Wiltiamston 
R. M. G. Moore, Germanion. ~ W. W. Mizell, Ply* 
mouth. Jacob Swindell, Washington, James So'u- 
therland, Warrenfon. Alfred Partin, Raleigh. 
Cliarles Mason, Roxboro'. James Wilder, An- 
derson's Store. Benj. Bynum, Speight's Bridge. H. 
A. vera, Averasboro'. Parham Pueket, Richlands. 
John H. Keneday, Chalk Level. Burwell Tem- 
ple, Wake county. Obadiah Sowell, Rogers' P. 0. 
Geo. W. McNeely, Leaksville. Wm. H. Vann, 
Long Creek Bridge. Thomas Bagley, Smilhfield 
Stephen Rogers, Holly Spring. James H. Sasser, 
Waynesboro'' . John Fruit, Sandy Creek. L. B. 
Bennett, Heathville. William J. Roberts, Buffalo 
Hill, Alfred Ellis, Strabane, Cor's Oanaday, 
Carterettsville, William Welch, Abbott's Creekt 
J. Lamb, CaniSen C. Hi Allen Taylor, Jum 
Rocky Mount. Ai B. Bains, Jr. Stanhope. C.T. 
Sawyer, Powell's Point. 

South Carolina. — Wm. Hardy, Saluda Hill, 
James Hembree, Sen. Anderson C. H. Charles 
Carter, Cambridge. B. Lawrence, Effingham,. 
James Burris, Sen. Bold Spring. William Sw 
Shaw, Rock Mills. Levi Lee, Bluckville. 

Georgia. — William Moseley, Bear Creek. Al- 
len Cleveland, McDonough. John McKenney, For- 
syth. Anthony Holloway, Lagrange. P. M. CaU 



houn, Knoxville. J. M . Roc.kmoro. Mountain Creels 
R. Reese, Eutonton. Tito's Amis, Lexington., Jona. 
Neel* Macon. Charles P. Hansford, Union Hill. 
John W. Turner, Pleasant Hill. Joshua Bowdoin, 
Adairsville. R.Toler, Upatoie. Clark Jackson, Fort 
Gaines. John Gayden, Franklin. John S. Keith, 
Luthersville. P. H. Edwards, Georgetown. Win. 
Trice, Thomaslon. Wm. Bowden, Union Valley. 
Ezra McCrary, Wurrenton. Wiley Pearce, Cairo. 
G. W. Holifield, Vernon. B. Pace, Clean Town. 
Lewis Peacock, Cassville. Vachal D. Whatley, 
Barnesville. Alex. Garden, Mount Morne. EliasO. 
Hawthorn, Bainbridge. J. G. Wintringham, Halhj- 
ca. Wm. M. Amos, Greenville. Randolph Arnold, 
Latimer's Store. Thomas J. Bazemore, Clinton. 
Josiah Stovall, Aejuilla. G. P. Cannon, Culloden- 
vil/c, Jason Grier, Indian Springs. William 
McElvy, Attapulgus. Ftirna Ivey, Millcdgeville. 
"William Garrett, Cotton River, Jesse Moore, 
Jrwinton. Leonard Pratt, Whitesville. Thomas 
A. Sullivan, Decatur. Thomas J. Johnson, New* 
nan. Israel Hendon, Shi\o, Robert B. Mann, 
Chcsnut Grove. William Tippit, Cedar Branch. 
A. G. Simmons, Hickory Grove, John Lanhon, 
Clicnuba. Thomas Ci Trice, IFdlsboro \ John 
Herington, Welborn's Milk, John MeCorquo- 
dale, Parchiteda. James P. Ellis, FineviWc, Shu- 
mate Ji Sloan, Chesnut Hill. French Haggard, 
Athens. Henry Barron, Jackson, John Murray, 
Fort Valley. Josiah Gresham, Ulny. Daniel O'- 
Neel, Fbw'Uon-, John Applewhite, Waynesboro 1 \ 
,T. B. Morgan, Friendship, Samuel VY'illiams, 
Fair Play, John Wayne, Cain's, Edmund 
Htawi\Tt,Hootcnsvillc. R, S. Hamrick, Carrollton. 
AbnerTison and David Smith, Cool Spring, 

Alabama. — L. B. Mosely, GahauiBu. A. Kea- 
ton, McConico. John Blackstone, La Fayette. W. 
W. Carlisle, Fredonia. Henry Dance, Daniel's] 
Prairie. Wm. W. W'alker, Liberty Hill. Dan'l 
Gafford, Greenville. Samuel Moore, Snow HillJ 
John G.Walker, Milton. Henry Williams, Ha- 
vana. Samuel Clay, Mount Hebron. John F. Lo- 
vett, Claiborne, Elias Daniel, Church Hill. 
John Bonds, Clinton, David Johnston, Leighton, 
Adam McCreary, Brooklyn. Josiah Jones, Jack- 
son. David Jacks, New Market. Sherrod W. 
Harris, Vienna. John McQueen, Graves' 1 Ferry. 
William Talley, Mount Moriah, Graddy Her- 
rkig, Clayton. G* \V. Jeter, Pint ImIu, Samuel 
C i Johnson, Pliasant Grove, William Crutcher, 
Huntsville. W illiam Hi Cook, Pickensvil/e. 
Seaborn Hamrick, Plantersville. William Mel- 
ton, Blujf Port. James Si Morgan, Dayton. Wm. 
Hyde, Gainesville, dKufos Daniel, Jdmeston', An- 
derson W. Bullard, Tusgegee. Frederick Mines, 
Gasioiu Z. Johns, Tiara, Eli McDonald, Pains- 
ville. A. Mitchell, Carter's Hill. William Pow- 
ell, YoungsviWe. James Hay, Wacooca, Silas 
Monk, Horse Shoe Bend, R. Lackey, Scraper. 
James F. Watson, Abbeville, David Tread well 
and R.W. Carlisle, Mount, Hickory . Allen Knight, 
Argus, Joseph H. Holloway, Haz\e Green. Luke 
R. Simmons, Troy. Jesse. Lee, Farmersville, 

Tennessee. — A. V. Farmer, Blair's Ferry. M. 
H. Sellers, Ten Mile. Win. Patrick, Pop/art 'orner. 
Mich'1 Burkhalter, Cheeksville, Tho's K.Clingan, 
Smith's kl lloads. W.E.Pope, Philudilphia. Aaron 
Compton, Soiucrvillc. Charles Henderson, Emery 
Iron Works. Asa Newport, Meesrilli . James 
Maulden, Van Bin en. A. Burroughs, Wesley. Wm. 
Croom, Jackson. Daniel Biiggs, Dccuiur. Clem 

VIWIV OlOII, J. 1 117 1 1 III.,? I ill I | 11(1- 

Jonathan D. Cain, Ww 

mens Sanders, Mount Vernon. Daniel Webb", 
Jjrxington. Sioii Bass, Three Forks, JobnW. 
Springer, Sugar Creek. Smith Hansbrough, Jacks 
Creek, William Si Smith, Winchester, lshani 
Simmons, Calhoun. Thomas Hill, Seviervilie, 
Ira E. Douthit, Lynchburg, C.T. Echols, Mifflin. 
Aaron Tison, Mi don. Levi Kirkland, Waverly, 
Aimer Steed, Fayetteville, Henry Randolph, 
Snodysvillc, Pleasant E. Witt, Cheek's 'Si Road*. 
Ji Cooper, Unionville. George Turner, W'aveily, 
Michael Branson, Long Savannah. Jasi TL Hol- 
loway, Hazel Green, William McBee, Old Town 

Mississippi. — Jesse Battle, 3fcridian Springs. 
Richmond Baines, Dailville. Worsham Mann, 
Columbus. Silas Dobhs, Brooklyn. Henry Pet- 
ty, Zion. William Huddleston, Thomaston. Na- 
than Tims, Kosciusko 

Floridai — James Alderman, China Grove, Da- 
vid Callaway, Cherry Lake, 

Louisiana. — Peter Bankston, 1s\arhuryvil!e. — 
Thomas Paxton, Greensboro'. Uriah Stevens, 
I J ine G'-ovc. 

Missouri. — Calvin Newport, Springfield. Joel 
Fergiison, Jackson-. 

Illinois. — Richard M.Newport, Grand View , 
James Marshall, Salem. 

Indiana. — Peter Saltzman, New Harmony. I- 
saac Wi Donman, Gallatin, Zachariah McClure, 
Tcrre Haute, 

Ohio. — Joseph IT. Flint, Hamilton. R. A. Mor- 
ton, Fulton. John B. Moses, German/on, 

Kentucky-. — Jona. H. Parker, Salem. 

Virginia. — Kemuel C. Gilbert, Sydnorsville. 
Rudolph Rorer, Berger's Store. John Clark, Fre- 
dericksburg. E. Harrison, Heningsville. Wm. 
W. West, Dumfries. Joseph H. Eanes, Culland's. 
William Burns, Halifax C, TL George W. San- 
ford, Harrisonburg. Jesse Lankford, Bowcrs'si 
Elijah Hansbrough, Somcrville. Wilson Daven- 
port, While House, 

Dis. Columbia. — Gilbert Beebe, Alexandria. 

Pennsylvania. — Ilczekiah West, South Hill. 
Joseph Hughes, Gum Tree. Nathan Everilt, 
Chi/licoats Toion. 

Wisconsin Ter. — M. W. Darnall, Blue River. 


Berij. Bynum, $3 
Crawford Baker, 1 
Graddy Herring, 5 
Wm. Crutcher, 5 

K. Stricld.nnd, $5 
John W. Turner, 1 
S. C. Johnson, 5 


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Vol. 4; 

Saturday, june 8, i839* 

No. 11. 



Georgia, Monroe xoitvly ', ~) 
December 17/*, '1838. $ 

Brother Bennett: I have just recei- 
ved front my beloved bro. J. Johnston, of 
Monroe county, Ga. (a small pamphlet, 
styled A Plain ant! Friendly Talk for those 
Who pfofess to love Christ, and the souls 
of men, but oppose the spread of religious 
knowledge;) with a request to hear from 
fne through the Primitive Baptist on that 
subject. Said Talk, tract, or pamphlet, 
came into my hand since our brethren R. 
Rorer and E. Dumas's pieces wrote on it 
have been published, consequently I tho't| 
it almost unnecessary for me to write any! 
thing therefrom; but recollecting that the j 
great inspired penman Solomon said, that 
two was better than one, and a threefold 
cord was not quickly broken, I concluded 
to write. So I hope my brethren will ex- 
cuse me if I tread in the same path that 
they have trod, and will consider me to be 
a yoke fellow laborer in the same blessed 
cause with themselves. 

While meditating on these things, these 
words of sacred writ occurred to my mind : 
Gather up the fragments that remain, that 
nothing be lost. The great 'Head of the 
church gave this command to his disciples, 
after he had fed the five thousand with the 
five barley loaves and two small fishes, and 
all were filled; and they (the disciples) 
gathered up twelve baskets full of the frag- 
ments of the five barley loaves, which re- 
mained over and above unto them that had 
eaten. We should learn something from 
this. I think that these fragments were 
gathered up that the disciples might cat al- 

so; for we have no account that they had 
eaten any. For you recollect, that Jesus 
took the loaves, and when he had given 
thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and 
the disciples to them that were set down; 
and likewise of the fishes, as much as they 
would. And may be while my brethren 
Rorer and Dumas, have been feeding oth- 
ers upon the truths of the gospel, that they 
have eaten nothing themselves. So I will 
try to gather up some of the broken frag- 
ments, fori sometimes think that God has 
railed me, (poor and ignorant as I am,) to 
feed some of the lame of the flock, and to 
be a son of consolation to some poor des- 
ponding disciple of our Lord Jesus. 

Without further remarks I will come to 
the Friendly Talk, answer my part, and 
show mine opinion. I shall take it slow- 
ly, like a faithful old hound on the cold 
trail of a fox; and if you will watch me 
minutely, I will, by and by, find out the 
little foxes that spoil our vines. The- 
Friendly Talk is a mess of wild Arminian- 
ism, and the talker a rotten Arminian; 
therefore he 'was ashamed to assign his 
name to his mess of wild unscriptural no- 
tions. He commences thus: "Allow me, 
my neighbors and fellow travellers to the 
judgment dsy, to enquire what is the 
ground of your hope of salvation? You are 
ready to answer, my faith in Jesus Christ. 
But what was the cause cf your faith in 
the Son of God? Surely the preaching of 
the gospel by the ministers sent to tell of 
the way to heaven." 

I would here remark, that Old School 
Baptists (whom I suppose this Friendly 
Talk was. wrote for) are taught, that faith is 
the gifc of God. Yes, sir, the free' gift 
of that God who holds the seven stars 
in his right, hand, who is from everlasting 
to everlasting and changes not, with whom 



there is neither variableness nor shadow of 
turning, and known unto him are all his 
works from the beginning. But faith is 
the free gift of God. For by grace ye are 
saved thro' faith, and that not of yourselves, 
it is the gift of God ; not of works, lest any 
man boast. So works are excluded. So 
I set it down as a given up point, that true 
genuine and living faith is the free unme- 
rited gift of God; thus living faith implant- 
ed in the heart the hope of glory, begets a 
living hope. (See faith is the substance of 
things hoped for.) And a living hope be- 
gets a living love. Thus you see implant- 
ed in the Christian's heart three abiding 
principles, faith, hope, and love, or in oth- 
er words: Now abideth (in the Christain's 
heart) faith, hope, charity;- these three, 
but the greatest is chanty. This looks a 
little like the final perseverance of the 
saints through grace to glory. 

Our True Friend, for so he assigned his 
name, goes on enquiring: How shall they 
hear without a preacher? and then stopped 
and did not or would not carry out the 
whole sentence as it stands connected to- 
gether. How shall they hear without a 
preacher, and how shall they preach ex- 
cept they be sent? That is, how shall they 
preach to profit church or people, except 
they be first called of God, and sent of God? 

Our True Friend says: "Jesus comman- 
ded his disciples, go ye into all the world, 
•and preach the gospel to every creature." 
Yes, sir, our blessed Jesus did command 
his disciples to go into all the world; and 
riot only that, but he also commanded them 
what to do,, where, and how to go, and 
what they should not do. And now to 
prove the fact to the Old Book we come. 
Read Matt. x. commence at the fifth verse, 
and soon: These twelve Jesus sent forth, 
and commanded them, saying, Go not into 
the way of the Gentiles, and into any city 
of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go ra- 
ther to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 
And as ye go, preach, saying, The king- 
dom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, 
cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out 
devils: freely ye have received, freely 
give. (So you sec they were not to sell 
their preaching, as missionaries do.) 
Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass 
in your purses; nor scrip for your journey, 
neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet 
staves: (for the workman is worthy of his 
meat.) Again, the farewell command 
which he gave to his disciples just before 
he was received up into glory, was: Go ye 

therefore and teach all nations, baptising 
them in the name of the Father, and of the 
Son, and of the Holy Ghost; teaching 
them to observe all things whatsoever I 
have commanded you, and lo, 1 am with 
you always, even unto the end of the world. 

But to return to our Friendly Talker. 
He says: "It isclear that Christ wishes ev- 
ery sinner on earth to know what he done 
to save them." Is this truth? Is it a Bible 
doctrine? Nay, I have not so learned 
Christ. The old Book teaches me, that 
few will be saved, and that too a definite 
elect number in Christ: For thy people 
shall be willing, in the day of thy power. 
Yes, s'\r f in his envn appointed time he 
will reveal himself to them, the chiefest 
among ten thousand and altogether Iovcl}*. 
He said: Those that my Father gave unto 
me shall come unto me; and as many as are 
the sons of God are led by the Spirit of God. 

Our Friendly Talker says: "I would 
have you think about those fellow men of 
yours, who have no Bible, no preacher, no 
Sabbath, no expectation of resting with 
saints in the kingdom of God. I would 
have you think how they are to become ac- 
quainted with the Lord, who is the life,- 
the truth, and the way; and what you are 
to do to save them from their present mise- 
rable degraded condition, and make them 
heirsof eternal glory." Here our Talker' 
brings men to view as possessing some am- 
ple power of saving sinners and making 
them heirs of eternal glory. Abominable 
falsehood! rotten Arminianism. We arc 
constrained to say with one of old: Lord, 
what is man? let us search him out, and 
see if he can save himself or others. We 
will listen to David, saying in bitterness 
and anguish of soul: Behold, I was shapen 
in iniquity, and in sin did my mother con- 
ceive me. Psa. li. 5. Every imagination 
of the thought of man's heart is evil con- 
tinually. The heart is deceitful above all 
things, and desperately wicked; who can 
know it? Jer. xvii. 9. Thus we see poor 
frail man is corrupt, impure, degenerate, 
full of wounds, and bruises, and putrifying 
sores, from the crown of his head to the 
sole of his foot, and is utterly unable to ex- 
tricate himself from this awful dilemma; 
dead in trespasses and sins, dead to the love 
of God and holiness, but alive to the love 
of sin and wickedness. Aliens from the 
commonwealth of Israel, and strangers 
from the covenant of promise, having no 
hope and without God in the world. Aw- 
ful condition, alas! Oh, sinful men, whai 

PliiMITIVE baptist. 


Boing power do you possess? None, 
hone. All nre gon3 out of the way: 
their throat is an open sepulchre; with 
their tongues they have used, deceit; the 
poison of asps is under their lips; whose 
mouth is full of cursing and Bitterness, and 
no fear of God before their eyes. Rom. 
Who drink down iniquity as the ox dot!) 
the Water brook. This is but a faint 
glimpse of man, of the depraved and fallen 
state he is hi, prone to siri as the sparks are 
to fly upwards, having neither will rior 
pbwer to do any thing to bring him into 
the favor of his creator. This 1 will prove 
by scripture. For we know that, the law 
is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold Under 
gin, and to be carnally minded is death. 
The natural man receiveth not the things 
bf the Spirit of God, for they are foolish- 
ness urild him; neither can he know them, 
because they ate spiritually discerned. A- 
gain: the carnal mind is enmity against 
God, for it is not subject to the law of 

God, neither indeed can be. So then, ' and perfect it to the day of Jesus Christ, 
they that are in the flesh cannot please I So I set. it down as a given up point, that 

ed his head and gave up the ghost. John,' 
xv ii. He had finished the work of re- 
demption; the great, the glorious, the stu- 
pendous plan df salvation was finished, fully 
completed and done. Nothing left for 
man to effect by his address. Jesus had 
paid their ransom price, suffered the penal- 
ty which was due to sinners, paid their 
debt immense. Law said, I ask no more. 
Justice said, I am satisfied. 

Our Friendly Talker asks: "How are 
they (that is, sinners,) to become acquaint- 
ed with the Lord, brought to the knowledge 
of the truth?" 1 answer, precisely accor- 
ding to the purpose and grace of God; 
which was given us in Christ Jesus before 
the world began. For he worketh in us 
both to will and to do of his own good 
pleasure; that is gives the will and also the 
power to perform. Yes, sir, he is the 
fountain from whence flows every good 
and perfect gift; and where he begins a 
good work oh the heart, he will carry it on- 

God; consequently can do nothing that 
V/ill merit salvation. Neither is God un- 
der any obligation, (if I may be suffered to 
use the expression,) to meet them on the 
half way ground, and bless them for any of 
their efforts to do good. 

But our True Friend Would have us 
think, what we are to do as instruments to 
save them from their miserable condition, 
that we should unite our talents, influence, 
and purses, as means of saving them, &c. 
&c. Let me tell you, my brethren, that 
bur glorious Lord has provided, or devised 
means, whereby his banished children be 
not expelled from him. And I say that Je- 
ses Christ is the means of man's salvation, 
for in the fulness of the time, God's ap- 
pointed time, God sent forth his Son, made 
bf a Woman, made under the law to redeem 
them thatwere under the law. Rom. iv.4. 
For what the law could not do, in that it 
was weak through the flesh, God sending 
his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, 
and for sin condemned sin in the flesh. 
Rom. v I ii. 3. This is a faithful saying and 
worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus 
should come into the world to save sinners. 
i Tim. i. 15. He was made sin for us, 
who knew no sin, that we might receive 
the righteousness of God in him. Yea, 
my brethren, he bore our sjns in his own 
body on the tree, and just before he gave 
up the ghost, he said unto his Father, I 
have finished the work thou gavest me to 
do. And again: It is finished —and bow- 

salvation is of the Lord, neither is there 
salvation in any other; for there is none 
other name under heaven given among men 
whereby we must be saved, (if saved at all.) 
Our True Friend, for so he calls him- 
self — but you are a missionary,' you are 
ready to tell me. Well, neighbors, it has 
been said, you are hostile to the missiona- 
ries, and the great work and labor of love 
in which they are employed. As to hos- 
tilities within the circle of my acquaint- 
ance, there is no one amongt professors of 
religion, as full of almosfopen hostilities as 
the missionaries themselve's. He says: 
"It has been said you were hostile." Who 
said it? It was some liar and the father of 
a lie. The great work arid labor bf love 
in which they are employed, must (from 
their repeated and pressing petitions for 
the sparkling metal) be the love of money. 
He again asks: "Plow are those to heat- 
where there are no Bibles, and no preach- 
ers to explain God's word." He now is 
speaking of heathens. If we are to judge 
of this matter from past events, we shall 
answer, that persecution will be the means' 
of their hearing the true, genuine, unadul- 
terated gospel of the Son of God. For per- 
secution has been instrumental in sending, 
the true evangelical gospel to the destitute 
Gentile nations of the 'earth, from the days 
of John the Baptist until now. Jesus said 
unto his disciples, when they persecute 
you in one city flee into another. Peter 
had obeyed this command, when called 



from Joppa to go and preach to the Gen- 
tiles. Philip had fled from persecution 
whoa he baptised the Ethiopean Eunuch. 
And what but persecution sent the gospel 
to these United States. 

Our Friendly Talker next commences ta- 
king up objections to missions, and says: 
''You are opposed to missions because you 
find no such word in your Bible." And 
goes on: "Your reasoning is not good, for 
if you allow nothing to be done in religion 
which is not directly according to what is 
found in the Bible, you will not allow any 
female to commune at the Lord's Supper; 
for there is not a word in your Bible about 
female communion. But further, there is 
no where in your Bible the word immerse; 
and yet you talk much about immersion, 
and think that a man must be plunged in 
the water, if he is baptised. If you op- 
pose missions because such a word is not 
in your Bible, you must also rise up against 
your female church members, your moth- 
ters, sisters and wives, and keep them from 
the communion table, and put away im- 
mersion from you, for neither the one nor 
the other is found in the Bible." Well, 
brother Johnston, what think you of all 
this! I will tell you the truth, which I 
feel bound to do on all occasions. It never 
before now entered my skull to write on 
the principle of baptism; for I had conclu- 
ded that, that Baptist Ordinance was so 
well authenticated by the New Testament, 
that no one would have the hardihood to 
deny it. I mean apostolic baptism, im- 
mersion, not sprinkling; and as I have ta- 
ken hold of it, 1 will with the help of 
God, prove baptism by immersion and fe- 
male communion to be of apostolic origin. 
In pursuing this subject, my motto shall 
be, stick to the scripture. 

Read Matt. iii. 13: Then Cometh Jesus 
from Gallilee to Jordan unto John, to be 
baptised of him; but John forbade him, 
saying, I have need to be baptised of thee, 
and cometh thou to me? And Jesus an- 
swering said unto' him, suffer it to be so 
now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all 
righteousness. Then he (John) suffered 
him. And Jesus when he was baptised, 
went up straightway out of the water. 
Read Mark, i. 9 and 10: And it came to 
pass in these days, that Jesus came from 
Nazareth ©1* Gahiec, and was baptised of 
John in Jordan; and straightway coming 
up out of the water, &c. &c. So you see, 
that the apostolic mode of baptising was in 
Jordan, not by Jordan; in the water, and 

not by the water; nor in a meeting, but id 
some river, or certain water course. And 
as they were baptised in the water, I thinfc 
it no robbery to call it baptism by immer- 
sion. Their coming up straightway out 
of the water, proves that they first went in- 
to it. Acts, viii. — read the chapter for 
yourselves. And as they went on their 
way, (that is, Philip and the Eunuch,) 
they came unto a certain water, and tho 
Eunuch said, see here is water, what doth 
hinder me to be baptised? And Philip 
said, if thou believelh with all thy heart 
thou mayest. And he answered and said, 
I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of 
God. And he commanded the chariot to 
stand still, and they went down both into 
the water, both Philip and the Eunuch* 
and he (Philip) baptised him; And when 
they were come' up out of the water, &c. 
This text clearly proves, that both went 
down into the water and both came up out 
of the water. This looks just like an Old 
School Baptist baptising believers in the 
water, by immersion. John also was bap- 
tising in iEnon, near Salim, (why, John* 
why baptise there?) because there was 
much water. So* by the by, they were 1 
much water Baptists. This proves the 
apostolic mode or plan to be immersion, for 
much water was required to baptise a per- 
son in; and believers were the only sub- 
jects admitted to this baptism. Sec the 
case of the Eunuch, and many others. 

I shall now proceed to show, and prove 
also by scripture, that female fellowship, I 
mean church or Christian fellowship; and 
if fellowship did abound, (which 1 will 
prove,) it of course was the leading spring 
to the communion table. But you will re- 
collect, by the by, that I am not exactly 
done with baptism yet. Acts, viii. 12: But 
when they believed Philip, preaching the 
things concerning the kingdom of God, 
and the name of Jesus Christ* they were 
baptised both men and women. Here, sir, 
were female believers received into the 
church by the apostles, and baptised into 
the fellowship of the saints, xvi. 13, 14, 
15: And on the Sabbath, we went out of 
the city by a river side, where prayer was 
wont to be made, aiid we sat down and 
spake unto the women which resorted thi- 
ther. And a certain woman named Lydia, 
a seller of purple of the city of Thyatira, 
which worshipped God, heard us; whose 
heart the Lord opened, that she attended 
unto the things which were spoken of 
Paul. And when she was baptised, &c. 



This woman was a worshipper of God, and 
phe was also baptised. Read Matt. xii. 
49, 50: Jesus stretched forth his hand to- 
ward his disciples and said, behold my mo- 
ther and my brethren; for whosoever shall 
do the will of my Father which is in hea- 
ven, the same is my brother, and sister, 
and mother. You will also remember the 
woman that came unto Jesus, and poured 
the alabaster box of precious ointment upon 
his head; that he said, she hath wrought a 
good work on me, for in that she hath 
poured this ointment on my body, she did 
jt for my burial. Verily 1 say unto you, 
wheresoever this gospel shall be preached 
in the whole world, there shall also this, 
that this woman hath done, be told for a 
memorial of her. 

We read of a certain disciple named 
Tabitha. This woman was full of good 
works and alms-deeds, which she did. 
Again: Believers were the more added to 
the Lord, multitudes, both men & women. 

Thus I have showed you female believ- 
ers baptised, and received into fellowship 
in the apostolic dayj and have also show- 
ed, that as many as do the will of God the 
Father, Jesus claimed as brother, sister, 
and mother. When he had taken bread, j 
given thanks and broken, he gave unto 
them, saying, this is my body, broken for 
you; this do in remembrance of me; as oft 
ts ye do it, ye show forth my death 
till I come. So I shall set it down as a 
fact, which cannot he surmounted, under- 
mined, rooted up, nor overturned, by 
wicked men, nor devils, that baptism by 
jmmer*ion and female communion, are of 
apostolic origin, and are a New Testament 
doctrine, & were practiced by the apostles. 

Our True Friend, while speaking of im- 
mersion and female communion says: "You 
believe thtt both are scriptural, and so are 
missionary operations scriptural." This is 
a barefaced falsehood, and the writer knew 
it and consequently would not assign his 
pame. There was about as much truth in 
the lying spirits that were in the mouth of 
Ahab's prophets, as there is in this last 
quotation from our Friendly Talker. He 
says: "Christians arecommande to let their 
light shins before men, and are taught to 
do good to all." Remark. But especial- 
ly to the household of faith. 

Our True Friend now makes a bold as- 
sertion, by saying that Jesus Christ was 
the great head and founder of missions, 
and Paul was an illustrious missionary, and 
the Bible furnishes the strongest evidence 

in favor of the missionary cause*. What a 

pity, vhat a pity, that our hero of New 
Schoolism did not refer to that part of tha 
New Testament, where Jesus laid the foun-> 
dation stone of missions; where he first in*- 
strucled his disciples to go and plant mis- 
sionary societies, collect funds for the sup- 
port of missions, to educate young men for 
the ministry, send them forth to labor in 
the Lord's vineyard with the field of their 
labors appointed (by aboard of directors,) 
salaries fixed, &c. &c. If Paul was an iU 
lustrious missionary, he differed greatly 
from modern missionaries; for we heap 
him declaring how he labored with his 
own hands for the support of himself and 
those that were with him, that he might 
not become chargeable to any church; la* 
bored by day and by night, was in peril oft, 
on the sea, among robbers, among false 
brethren; and let me tell you, that perse- 
cution was the wages that he received. 

Our Friendly Talker says: "Whether 
the first Christians formed missionary so- 
cieties for spreading the gospel or not, you 
will find something in the fourth chapter of 
Acts, commencing at the thirty-second 
verse, which very much resembles a modr 
ern missionary meeting." So I will ex- 
amine that transaction, and look for the ex- 
isting similarity. It is recorded thus; And 
the multitude of them that believed were 
of one heart, and of one soul, (so you see 
that they were all believers,) and had all 
things common. But to search out the si- 
milarity between that and a modern mis- 
sionary meeting is the object, I have told 
you that the multitude of them that believ- 
ed were of one heart, and of one soul; nei- 
ther said any of them, that aught of things 
which he possessed was his own; but they 
had all things common, and with great 
power gave the apostles witness of the re- 
surrection of the Lord Jesus. Neither 
was there any among them that lacked, for 
as many as were possessors of lands or 
houses, sold them, and brought the prices 
of the things that were sold and laid them 
down at the apostles' feet, and distribution 
was made unto every man according as he 
had need. So you see the whole transac- 
tion, and where is the resemblance? the 
former were a multitude of believers, all 
filled with the Holy Ghost, (administering 
of their substance to the poor;) all believ- 
ers, all had been baptised. There was no 
selling of memberships, (by nor among 
them,) life memberships, nor offices, such 
as President, Vice President, Secretary, 
Director, titles of honor, &c. No, sir, 
there -,v'as none of this among them; nor 



doe?, the whole volume of God's boo!<, di- 
rectly nor indirectly, countenance these 
modern missionary proceedings. And 
that of buying or selling lilies of honor is a 
direct breach of the Constitution of the li- 
nked States, you will think of lhat by the 
by as we pass on. But we will examine 
that assemblage of. saints a little further, 
and see if we Gan find out the intention of 
that mee'ting. If I am not mistaken, their 
object was to administer to the actual ne 
cessities of the poor saints at. Jerusalem. 
Compare the 29 verse of the xi. chapter of 
Acts, with the circumstances already quo- 
ted, and you will agree that I am right. So 
I conclude, and so I write, that there is no 
similarity or resemblance whatever. 

Mr. Talker in the next place tells us: 
"You are called upon by the great Eternal 
to give your talents, influence and money, 
for the conversion of your benighted and 
ruined fellow travellers to the day of judg- 
ment." Thus you see our True Friend 
makes our talents, influence and money, 
the means of converting the dark benight- 
ed mifids of sinners. Our Bible teaches, 
yea Christian experience teaches, that no 

would prevail. Mighty God, mighty de* 
vil, but almighty man; for if he throws his 
weight to God, he will prevail; or if he 
gives his strength to the devil, he will pre- 
vail. This is missionary doctrine, what 
think you of it, brother Johnston? 
• But to return to our True Friend. He 
says: "You are ready to contend, that too 
much money is called for by the missiona- 
ries. It is manifest that too much money 
has not yet been asked for, nor too much 
given, unless more has been asked than 
what would be required in converting the 
whole world to Christianity; but in this 
matter we have seen no surplus. Too 
much then has not been asked, too much 
has not been given in the cause of man's 
salvation." Our Talker should have told 
us how much money it would take to con- 
vert the whole world to Christianity. He 
says too much has not been given in the 
cause of man's salvation. I have once, and 
again said, that salvation is of the Lord, and 
now 1 will prove it. So to the law and to 
the testimony we come. Read Psa. iii. 8: 
Solvation belongeth unto the Lord, xxxvii. 
39: But the salvation of the righteous is of 

thing short of the Almighty power of God 'the Lord. He is their strength in time of 
can effect the great work of illuminating, 'trouble, and will help them, and deliver 
quickening, and converting the dark be- them, and save them. Isa. xlv. 17: But 
nighted minds of sinners; but our Friendly ! Israel shall be saved in the Lord, with an 
Talker makes talents, influence, and mo- everlasting salvation. One more text, 
ney's combined power equivalent with which will cap the climax. Jer. iii. 23; 
God; makes them means of conversion. 'Truly in vain is salvation hoped for from 
This is what I would call a Christ denying, the hills, and from the mountains; truly in 
and a God dishonoring doctrine; it is a j die Lord our God, is the salvation of Is- 
doctrine of devils. Our Talker is like a|racl. So we need not look to the high 
pertain young missionary preacher of the hills nor lofty mountains, to hills of gold 
Western Association; some two or three >mr mountains of silver for salvation; they 
years ago while preaching an introductory cannot save. So we should both hope and 
he remarked, that he often did illustrate his |quietly wait for the salvation of the Lord. 
views by figures, and he would draw them 'Lam. iii. 26: Salvation is of the 'Lord. 
a figure. He presented to view three I Jonah, ii. 9: Neither is their salvation in 
men, one standing upright, the two other jany other. Acts, iv. 12. . So I shall set it 
were to be of equal size and strength, one [down as a given up point, that salvation ig 
by the right hand and the other by the left, of God, and none other; unconnected with 

(of him standing erect.) He said they 
might pull and tug, heave and set, with all 
the power the}' possessed, and neither 
could prevail; but let him standing in the 
midst leap his weight to the right and he 
would prevail, ov to the left and he would 

efforts, talents, influence,-or money. For- 
asmuch as ye know that ye were not re- 
deemed with corruptible things, such as 
silver and gqld 5 but wilh the precious 
blood of Christ, i. Pet. i. 19. 

Our True Friend's next inquiry is: 

prevail. This he said was the condition of 'Where then is the speculation of the hum- 
sinneis, standing right betwixt God and Jble missionary, who gives up every pros, 
Bie devil; God striving to get them to ' poet, and contents himself with bread and 
Jieavenj and the devil pulling them with all watef, and scanty clothing, that he may 
his might to get them to hell; and if the | win soitls to Christ?" Is this truth? I leave 

inner gave his weight to God, God would you to answer for yourself. The prodigal 
irevail; or if he gave it to the devil, he [young missionaries of Georgia go in pomp 



*ftd splendor, dressed as fine as superfine f 
foroad elolh can makethem; roll in all the 
luxuries that a rich, fertile, cotton making 
country can afford. You will see them 
.sneaking and creeping in among the rich, 
and because he has the name of a preacher, 
.their bounteous tables are spread, and they 
fed on the best the house can afford. And 
yet they -will tell you that they are 
content with bread and water, and scan- 
ty clothing. These humble mission- 
aries will sail by a poor traveller, in 
their fine pleasure carriages, and not 
speak to him, with necks like iron sinews, 
looking as though they disdained the 
earth. I will here remark, that I was at a 
camp meeting last summer in Pike county. 
On Sabbath, a young missionary preach- 
man rose up in the stand, (the young chap 
was rigged out as fine as broad cloth could 
make him,) and called out for mone}'; he 
said, for the support of home missions; and 
said, that that there was not enough given 
to the circuit riders, to pay their expense 
of travelling and elothe them._ {I relate 
this circumstance because our Friendly 
Talker is a Methodist preacher.) So the 
hats started round, one to the sisters, ano- 
ther to the brothers, and a third to the 
worldlians. And when they were done 
begging the whites, they went to the ne- 
groes, and dunned a few pennies from 
them. So I said, if that was a true mis- 
sionary spirit, great God, keep me from it. 

Our True-Friend, while speaking of con- 
tenting themselves with bread and wafer, 
and scanty clothing, asks: "Do they do it 
for worldly gain? Nay, he foregoes every 
hope of worldly honor or wealth; in the 
very act of consenting to become a mis- 
sionary, he looks to a life of privation, of 
reproach, of peril, of persecution, and suf- 
fering, as his only portion on earth." 
What a fine gloss our Friendly Talker has 
thrown over the outside of his pernicious 
principles. It isjifce unto the whited se- 
pulchre, which indeed appears beautiful 
outward, but within is full of extortion, 
excess, and lying hypocrisy. They look 
to the churches that have hired them for 
their wages, the forty and fifty dollars per 
month; or to some mission board, for their 
wages they must have, Isaiah spoke of 
such as being blind watchmen, dumb dogs 
that cannot bark. (No, sir, these mission- 
ary dogs cannot nor will not bark without 
rnoney.) Yea, they are greedy dogs 
which can never have enough; shepherds 
that cannot understaod; they all look to 

Iheir own wa) r , every one for his gain 
from his quarter. 

Mr. Talker says: "The Bible, reason, 
and religion, call upon you to unite your 
purse and your plenty into the Lord's trea- 
sury; (and adds,) I fear that such is your 
love for the bag, that you would sooner see 
your sons die, and daughters burn, and 
hear sinners weep for ever, than you would 
part with it to save a soul." The Book 
of divine inspiration emphatically teaches, 
that Jesus Christ is the Saviour of sinners; 
(and not purses of fine gold, nor hags of 
shining silver.) I have told you that God 
has provided means, and that Jesus was 
the means, for that was the great and the 
blessed' errand upon which he came into 
the world; not to call the (self-righteous 
pharisee,) but sinners to repentance. He 
came to seek and to save them that were 
lost, to save his people from their sins, 
(not in their sins.) 

Our True Friend, in his talk hath spoke 
of money twenty odd times; and in the 
general, was making or using it as means 
of saving sinners, converting heathen, or 
evangelizing the whole world to Christian- 
ity. He thinks, it seems, that God hath 
done a part of the woi k of man's salvation, 
but not quite enough to save them; so he 
would have missionaries and money to do 
the balance and finish the work. To such 
a God as that, Whatley never bowed the 
knee. As I have far superceded by limits 
already, I must begin to draw to a close. 
But let us hear the conclusion and fact of 
the whole matter, touching the origin and 
effects of missionary operations. I will 
give it in plain English. 

Mr. Talker has said, that Jesus laid the 
foundation stone of missions, and I have ta- 
ken the liberty to dispute his word; for he 
did not, nor could not, prove it by the gol- 
den standard of eternal truth. The Ro- 
mish church was the founder, origin, and 
mother of missions; and if my memory 
serves me right, old Miss Catholicism's 
first daughter, (missionism,) was born in 
the fifteenth century. She (missionism,) 
has been very fruitful and has multiplied 
abundantly; from her have sprung the nu- 
merous train of little foxes, Bible, tract and 
temperance societies, theological semina- 
ries, Sunday school unions, conventions, 
&c. &c. These with many others are the 
illegitimate offspring of the mother of har- 
lots. These little foxes have crept into 
our churches, and spoiled cur vines (chur- 
ches.) Great God, how many vines haye 



been spoiled by the little foxes. I ask you, 
whose heads have grown gray in the ser- 
vice of God, who discern both time and 
judgment; you that have been eye witnes- 
ses, yea, you that have felt and realized 
the-heart-rending spoilings of these cun- 
ning little foxes. They have sowed dis- 
cord among brethren, spoiled churches, 
rent asunder Associations, spoiled the ten- 
dei' lies of brotherly love, spoiled the peace 
and harmony of hundreds of vines (church- 
es) in (he United States. So, my breth- 
ren, I am ready to adopt the languago of 
the spouse of old and say: Take us the 
foxes, the little foxes, that spoiled our 
viaee; for our yines have tender grapes. 
I3e an the look out. Take us the foxes, 
the little foxes, (say you; well, What ley, 
what shall we do with them after we take 
them?) Alake you a scourge of small 
cord*, and east them out of your churches; 
overthrow the tables of the money chan- 
ger*, and the seats of them that sell doves; 
(that sell poorlittle innocent harmless foxes, 
memberships, offices, titles of honor. ) I say 
cast these lillle foxes out uf the synagogue. 
Cast out this bondwoman and her (illegiti- 
mate offspring of foxes,) for the son of this 
hondwoman shall not be heir with my son, 
even Isaac. 

I bow shall leave our Friendly Talker, 
but with this piece of hearty counsel; that 
is, when he again gets in a talkative humor, 
to be sure to talk about Jesus and him cru- 
cified; talk of his making his advent into 
the world, of the errand upon which lie 
cam*, of his being a man of sorrow and ac- 
quainted with grief, and of his going a 
mourner all his days; of his dying the ig- 
nominious death of the cross, of his burial 
and resurrection, rising a mighty conque- 
ror ever death, hell, and the grave; and of 
hta ascending to the right hand of the ma- 
jesty on high, where he is interceding be- 
for« his and our Father, for all the elect. 
Bona af Adam who shall in the day of pow- 
er ba made willing to accept his promised 
grace upon the terms of the j;o«pt-l. 

Brother Bennett, these lines are at your 
disposal. Yours in full fellowship. 



Lexington, Mississippi, ~> 
May bill, 1839. \ 
Dear brethren Editoi.s: Though wo 
are unknown to each oilier, neither is it 
likely that, we ever shall eeo each others 

face, yet I have lifted my pen for the ex- 
press purpose of having some correspon- 
dence with you by your consent. 

There arc a few Primitive Baptists in 
this part of the country. Last week we 
had an Association constituted with four 
churches, in which are four preachers. 
Churches and preachers were of one mind. 
We did not constitute because there was 
no Association near enough for us to join, 
no; neither was it because we were fond of 
a small body; but because we were not of 
the same faith and order of the Associa- 
tions round about us. We cannot go with 
what is called the benevolence of the day; 
and if this were all 1 would stop here, but 
alas! I am sorry to have it to say, that the 
Baptists here that call themselres the New 
School, arc so corrupt in doctrine that we 
cannot have fellowship with them. Here 
t hey contend for the general atonement but 
special application, and when they carry it 
out, the speciality thereof is given to the 
human will. They also tell us that the 
heathen are going to hell for the want of 
preachers and more Bibles; and that three 
or four thousand dollars more would do a 
great dealof good in the redeemer's kingdom. 

Good Lord, my brethren, what better is 
this than for a Roman Catholic priest to 
tell the people, that for money he will for- 
give their sins, and pray their dead out of 
purgatory? or, will it not soon come to 
that? Do they conclude that God has for- 
gotten the ark, and that men must put their 
feeble arm to it, (Uzzah like?) Their 
church order is equally corrupt as their 
doctrine. In this Slate the law permits 
men to be divorced from their wives, and 
then to marry again; and such characters 
are admitted into their churches, into their 
pulpits; their communion tables surround- 
ed with what the word of God calls adulte- 
rers. Shocking state of affairs. 

Our newly constituted Association is to 
be known by the name of the Primitive 
Baptist Association. And as you may 
know the better who I am, I was bapti- 
zed (A. U.) 1S0I, in the 21st year of my 
age, by William Bonnet, pastor of the Bap- 
tist church Buty Spot, Marlborough dis- 
trict, South Carolina. I was ordained to 
the ministry in 1810. 1 have been trying 
to preach Jesus Christ and him crucified, 
ever since. 

Our Association has ordered, that our 
first circular shall give a fair showing of 
i he particulars that have destroyed our fel- 
lowship with the New School Baptists; 



and I intend sending 3*011 a copy of our first 
minutes, as soon as practicable. 

Before I drop my pen, I feel a disposi- 
tion to inform you, that I greatly rejoice to 
hear that there arc some that arc obedient 
to our Lord's commands, that is, to hold 
fast until he comes the second lime without 
sin unto salvation. 

May the great head of the church be 
with you in all your laudable undertakings, 
is my prayer. Amen. 




Jtfferson counly. East Tennessee, ^ 
May 18th, 1839. $ 

Brethren Editors: It is wilh pleasure that I 
have the opportunity of corresponding with you, 
through the columns of the .Primitive Baptist, 
The local situation that a number of us is placed 
in, forbids us and says to us, that we never will 
see each others faces in the flesh; but I rejoice 
that we can converse together on subjects of im- 
portance, such as faith and practice, and inform 
each other, how we are getting along in the cause 
of our great master Jesus. 

Brethren, the few humble followers of the {iamb 
of God have hard struggles in this part of the 
earth, for there are some gentlemen preachers a- 
mong us, that belong to every branch of mission- 
ism, and labor as hard and appear to be as zealous 
in the cause of their master, money and self, as 
much or more than the humble servant of Jesus, 
And why? Because it is fashionable now-a-days 
for gentlemen to live without work. And more, 
becaus* it is so gratifying to fallen, sinful nature, 
to dress fine and live easy, and feast high, and 
float along the current of public opinion, than to 
work. Thus money, money, is the stimulating 
object t« make a living; to be honored and cares- 
sed, and to live an easy idle life, liver since 
preaching has become a machinery employment 
and money making business, there has been no 
Jack of a plentiful supply of wolves in sheep skin, 
undertaking to feed the flock of Christ. Nor will 
their numbers be diminished, while the people are 
stupid enough to be fleeced and priest ridden; for 
if a man has no religion he has no more right in 
the church as a preacher, than a lion or a bear has 
in a iheepfoldi Not all the learning that this 
world has, can qualify a man to be a minister of 
Christ, either with or without religion. 

Brethren, if these wolves are not shut out 

of the shecpfold, they will always keep up a fuss 
among the sheep about a well educated ministry, 
and money to qualify men to preach to the hea- 
then; and in fact, if they had all the gold and sil- 
ver in the world, they would not be satisfied; nei- 
ther could they convert one soul to God. But we 
are awfully afraid, that is not their desire; money 
and an easy life is what the most of them are af- 
ter, <fcc. But all the heaven-born souls do know 
they were not redeemed with corruptible things, 
as silver and gold, from their vain conversation, 
received by tradition from their fathers; but with 
the precious blood of Christ, as of a Lamb with- 
out blemish and without spot. 1 Peter, 1 ch. 18 
and 19 v. Then mark such as cause divisions 
and offences, contrary to the doctrine which ye 
have learned; and avoid thern. Romans, 14. 17. 

Dear brethren, when I first embarked in the 
cause and entered the field of the gospel, the chur- 
ches were all of one soul and of one language; 
but corruption has crept into the church by de- 
grees, both in doctrine and practice, for designing 
men with their Arminian stuff have got into tho 
church with their missions, and take them with 
them to all the big meetings they go to, and wilh 
their flaming zeal (fox fire) till the sinners natu- 
ral feelings are tendered; then they are invited to 
the anxious benches, and when they have got all 
to take a seat that will, they then go round with 
their missions and make as many proselytes (or 
inen : made Christians,) as they can. And when 
they are made, they are two-fold more a child of 
hell than themselves, Matthew, 23. 15. 

Brethren, the leading characters in the mission- 
ary cause put me in mind of the time when the 
.Saviour went up to Jerusalem, and found in the 
temple those that sold oxen, and sheep, and doves, 
and the changers of money sitting; and when he' 
had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them 
all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the ox- 
en; and poured out the changers' money, and 
overthrew the tables; and said unto them that sold 
doves, take these things hence; make not my lea- 
ther's house a house of merchandize. St. John, §. 
14, 15, and 1G. 

Then, brethren, if we act faithful according to 
the directions given by the Lord of life and glory, 
in the above passage, by turning them all out of 
the church we may look for a blessing from God, 
&c. And a3 Jeremiah saith, 15.19; If thou re- 
turn, then will I bring thee again, and thou shalt 
stand before me: and if thou take forth the pre- 
cious from the vile, thou shalt be as my mouth; 
let them return unto thee, but return not thou un- 
to them. And Ezckiel, 13,21 and 22: Thus saith 
the Lord, I will tear and deliver my people out of 
your hand, and they shall be no more in your 
hand to be hunted, and ye shall know that I am 



the Lordi Because with Mrs ye (missionaries) 
Jiave make the heart of the righteous sad, whom 1 
have not made snd; and strengthened the hands 
of the wicked, that he should not return from his 
wicked way, by promising him life— which you 
know, dear breihren. The whole breed of the 
rnissionaries are Arminians, who hold to universal 
atonement, and that every body can get religion if 
they will set about the .work in earnest; which ev- 
ery Christian in the world knows to be false, and 
a devil and men-made lie; and that to make out 
Jesus worse than no Saviour. 

Dear brethren, when the divine Saviour came 
into the world, pomp, splendor, and human pa- 
rade, made no part of a missionary. He took up» 
on himself the form of a servant, led a live of po- 
verty, humility, and self-denial, and had not where 
to lay his head; leaving an example of humili- 
ty to all his humble followers as a pattorn r And 
in all his heavenly doctrines, he set at nought the 
pomps and splendors of tlus world, and taught his 
followers to live in a state of crucifixion to them. 
He pointedly commanded them not to lay up trea- 
sures on earth, see that where the treasure is, 
there will the heart be also, and that such shall 
hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 

But those professed disciples (or missionaries) 
love to appear in the grandest style; with the 
finest coat on and ride the best horse and saddle, 
and eat of the best of the loaves and fishes, and 
beg and get the most money, so they may be call- 
ed the smartest agent. It is my opinion he would 
as soon beg it from the poorest object of charity, 
as he would from those who are rich, with this 
difference, he would expect a larger sum from the 
rich, and that is what they love, you know. But 
how many of the effort men, but what are grasp- 
ing after the idol god (money,) and arg teaching 
for hire, and are propher-ying for money; and ap- 
pear to be straining every nerve to accumulate the 
desired object if they possibly can, even at the ex- 
pense of truth, and the peace arid happiness of 
God's dear children. 

It is a stubborn fact, that the devil offered the 
Son of God, the kingdoms of the world and the 
crlory of them; and said unto him, all these things 
will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship 
rnei But Jesus would not clo it. It appears from 
the present movements of the missionaries, that the 
devil has given them the whole world to save 
from hell, if they can get money enough to enable 
them to do it. So they have a higher seat than 
Jesus, and run foremost in the race. But, breth- 
ren, the blind are leading the blind, and unless 
grace prevents, they will all land in hell toge- 

Breihren, I am an old fashioned predestinarian 
Baptisti I claim kindred with all the brethren 

that write for the Primitive Baptist, especially 
with brother Joshua Lawrence, and would be glad 
to see him in Tennessee, at the Nolachticky As-> 
socialion, commencing die. 4th Friday ofSeptem- 
her next, al Concord meeting house, Green conn-. 
ty. I must hasten to a close, as my sheet is filled 
up. I take a great deal of pleasure in reading 
your epistles, and finding so many on the Lord's 
side with the Bible in their hand. I send you 
this scribble as your unworthy brother in affection 
and love. HENRY RANDOLPH. 


Georgia, tVilleinson county, > 
*/]pril30//i, 1S39. 5 
Bketiiken Editors: 1 write you a few 
lines to inform you, lhat there a few Pri- 
mitive Baptists in this county that have 
not begun to peddle on Bibles and tracts 
yet. I am a member of Cool Spring 
church. This church has closed her doors 
against all Bible and tract pedlers, and is 
in pence and love; and labor, working 
with their hands, that they may have to 
give to the poor according to Paul's direct 
lion; but not to the rich, the Bible and 
tract pedlers. 

These pedlers are not like the pedlers 
lhat were in North Carolina. They ped- 
dled on cloth when I was a little boy, but 
these peddle on the word of God; and that 
is not the worst, for they sometimes ped- 
dle on untruth; for they sell tracts, and a, 
tract is a fable, is false, is untruth. These 
new pedlers tell us to give them our mo- 
ney, and it will be a means of converting 
♦he heathen. If so, we are saved by mo- 
ney; but my good old Book does not tell 
me so. It tells me that we are saved, not 
with corruptible things, such as silver and 
gold, but by the precious blood of Jesus 
Christ. For by grace are ye saved thro' 
faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the 
gift of God; not of works, least any man 
should boast For we are his workman-? 
ship, ci eated in Christ Jesus unto good 
works, which God hath before ordained 
that we should walk in them. And not 
only this, but it tells me that he God hath 
chosen us in him Christ, before the founda- 
tion of the world; that we the church of 
Christ, should be holy and without blame 
before him in love. It is the Spirit of God 
that changes the heart of man, and the 
blood of Christ that makes man clean. 

These new ministers remind me of Paul's 
2d letter to Timothy, 4th ch. 3 and 4 ver-= 
ses: For the time will come when they 



will not endure sound doctrine, but nfter 
their own lusis shaH the}' henp to them- 
selvrs teachers having itching ears; and 
they shall turn away their ears from the 
truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 

Dear brethren, you see tbnt : this scrip- 
ture is fulfilling; for the New Sdiool have 
heaped to themselves many teachers, and 
they teach for pay at one dollar per day 
and all they can beg by flattering words. 
But we have no need of such teachers and 
hirelings, for the command in the word of 
God is: Pray ye the Lord that he would 
send forth mure laborers. 

Dear brethren Editors, your paper is 
much beloved bj r the Primitive Baptists at 
Ibis place. I must conclude by subscri- 
bing myself yours in love. 


t-o editors primitive baptist. 

Pickens county, Jllaharna, \ 
'May 4th, 1.8&9. ^ 

Curious movements and queer- doings, 
by our good Christians. 

Dear Brethren: I now take up my 
pen, in order to give you some of my 
thoughts on some of the movements of 
what 1 call our good Christians; though 
they query me so bad, that I hardly know 
what to say or do with them, and I think 
to have the least to do with them is the 
best. But to what I intend. 

Now there was a church in the Union 
Association known as the Pilgrim's Rest 
church, in which the Rev. Henry Pet- 
ty had his membership. lie is an able 
minister of the gospel, and has always 
been aii opposer of the mission schemes; 
and finding that none of these new fanglers 
were able to stand him when coming to the 
Book, which is the infallible standard, and 
seeing that hro. Petty was so much in their 
way, they (the missionaries) then thought 
to exclude him, thinking that they would 
then be able to deceive the people and car- 
ry their point, And in order to do this, 
they made an accusation against him (the 
said Petty) of being drunk in Mobile; 
which 1 believe to be a groundless report. 
And the man it was sent to, being at that 
time a candidate for representative, and 
thinking it not the best to bring up the 
charge till after the election, so it was 
stayed, until afier the Association, and 
their isms spirit run so high that the Asso- 
ciation could flay together no longer; \\c, 

the Old School, came out from amongst 

The delegates then returning to their re- 
spective churches and acquainting them 
with the mailer, the churches then had tq 
take their stand. A mong others, the Pil- 
grim's Rest church bad missionary folks 
in it, and consequently it split; the Old 
School having a majority of 65 to 20. The 
New School folks badly spited, and what is 
the next resort? Petty is away from us, 
and what shall we now do? Why we (the 
20 missionaries) will exert our power, we 
will expose the old fellow. So they cite 
Peltv to attend a meeting of their own ap^ 
pointing and answer the said charge. 
iNow this was all done after the final sepa- 
ration. And now, brethren, who are the 
church; the 05 majority, "or the 20 minori- 
ty? I affirm that the 05 are the church; 
and the 20 a slabbed off part, that could not 
with all the power that they had in posr 
session, have reached Petty with a ten foot 
pole. And here is the way our good 
Christians query me.) And pronounced 
an exclusion against him, (the said Petty,) 
together with 70 others, as appears from 
their Minutes. 

And now, brethren, if I was to say that 
I bad turned my horse out of the PresU 
dent's stable, 1 should tell a lie. A nel 
why ? Because lie never was in it. And 
now if the Old School Baptists had have 
acted as my good Christians (the 20) did, 
we would not have told the truth. Ancl 
why? Because Petty never was in their 
church to turn out. For while they were 
together, the 20 were not the church, but 
only apart; and a majority is always the 
church, or the ruling power of any church. 

And now to their Association. A com- 
mittee, to wit, Manning, Willingham, 
Stansel, Smith, and Hudson, to examine 
the letter sent up from Pilgrim's rest, and 
obtain such information relative to the con- 
dition thereof, as the delegation from that 
church may be able to give, and report 
as soon as possible. Report — we your 
committee find sufficient cause to justify 
the act of the Pilgrim's Rest church, in 
the exclusion of Elder Henry Petty, for 

Now, brethren of (he Old School order, 
I assert to you and to all whpm it may 
concern, that the above named Henry Pet- 
ty is in fair standing in the Pilgrim's Rest 
church, and has the pastoral care of the 
church at this time, and has had eyer since 
it existed as a church. Brother Peity 



stands ns fair in the bounds of his acquaint- 
ance, which is not limited, as any money- 
hunter or new-fangler in the State, among 
all classes of mankind, both church and 
non-professors — excepting the New School 
folks, and they I reckon would rejoice 
more at his death, than any other one 
thing that could be thought of. 

And now, brethren, you may judge of 
my good Christians as you may think fit, 
from the above statements. And now to 
leave off that subject I would say in the 
conclusion, let us still hold close to the 
good old Hook, speaking the truth in so- 
berness; for notwithstanding all the veil 
of falsehood that they (the ismists) can 
with all their lies in hypocrisy throw over 
the truth, yet truth will after awhile burst 
out and will show; then shall all see who 
ure right, and who are wrong. 

Brethren, I crave an interest in your 
prayers, that I may finish my course with 
joy, and that we may always be found in 
I he king's high way. At the old corner 
post, as ever. Yonrs in gospel bonds. 



Dekalb county \ Georgia, 
March 9th, IS39. 
Dear Bkethren: By reading the Pri- 
mitive Baptist, 1 find that there are still in 
these United States a few names that are 
built upon the foundation of the apostles 
and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being 
the chief corner stone; in whom all the 
building fitly framed together, growethun 

ter; and if I might so use the expression, 
they have been guilty of incest. And 
what have they brought forth? I answer, 
wind, as tempestuous as the northeast wind, 
that shipwrecked old Paul and his compa- 
ny while on their voyage to Rome. We 
all know_a northeast wind is the mostdisa- 
greable of winds; we have winter or sum- 
mer. Now all these new schemes come 
from the northeast, and they are so com- 
plicated it would take some time to enu- 
merate them all; let it suffice to say, they 
are all founded on money. 

Bear brethren, when 1 look back to the 
days of old, about 55 or GO years ago, 
when old Samuel Harris, James Read, 
John Waller, and others, that I was well 
acquainted with, and contrast the two pe- 
riods then and now, it would seem that 
God's word had changed from what it was 
then; but I say it has notchanged. But 
the time having come when the churches 
will not endure sound doctrine, after their 
own lust shall they heap to themselves tea- 
chers having itching ears, and they shall 
turn away their ears from the truth, and 
shall be turned unto fables. And now to 
my ministering brethren thronghout these 
United States: But watch thou in all things, 
endure affliction, do the work of an evan- 
gelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 

Dear brethren, since I wrote to you with 
respect to the resolution that was passed in 
the Yellow River Association, there has. 
been much electioneering by the fence- 
riders and go betweens. They will go 
from house 1o house and tell the poor we;ik 
sisters, oh, if you stay with the Old Bap^ 
tists you will not be allowed to go to hear a 

loa holy temple in the Lord; in whom ye 

are all budded together, for a habitation of I missionary preach; you will not be allow 

God through the Spirit Ephcsians, 2d. 20, 
21, 22, inclusive. 

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark 
them that cause divisions and offences, 
contrary to the doctrine which ye have 
learned, and avoid them; for they that are 
such, serve not our Lord Jesus Christ but 
their own belly, and by good words and 
fair speeches deceive the hearts of the sim- 
ple. How often do we see this verified in 
this our day. It is power they are seek- 
ing, for, give them power then 0. S. Bap-r 
tists may look out for persecution. 

Brethren, all the missionary schemes in 
the way they are carried on in this our day, 
can never make me an Arminian. God is 
able to do it, hut man cannot. Brethren, I 
am sometimes led to believe Arminian- 
ism and missionjsm twin brother and sjs- 

ed to send your children to a Sunday 
School, you will not be allowed to give 
your monej' to no charitable object what* 
ever. Now, brethren Editors, if this is 
religion, may the good Lord deliver me 
from all such; for I have not so learned 
God's word. And further, if you go to 
argue with them it is all human reason, as 
though they had read Thomas Paine all 
their lifetime. 

Brethren, God forbid that I should judge 
any man wrongfully; but when fruit gels 
ripe I think we may know whether it is 
good or bad. .Now old Paul says; But 
the fiuit of the' Spirit is love, joy, peace, 
long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 
meekness, temperance; against such there 
is no law. Gal. 5. 22. Again: And you 
hath he quickened who were dead in ties* 



passes and sins; wherein in time prist ye 
walked according to the course of this 
worlds according to the prince of the pow- 
er of (he air, the spirit that now worketh 
in the children of disohedience: Among 
whom also we all had our conversation in 
time past in the lusts of our fles-h, fulfilling 
the desires of the Flesh and of the mind; 
and were hy nature the children of wrath, 
even as others. But God, who is rich in 
mercy, for his great love wherewith he 
loved us, even when wc were dead in 
trespasses and sins, bath quickened us toge- 
ther with Christ; (by grace ye are sayed.) 
Ephesians, 2. 1 — 5. 

Some days past I was at the post office at 
Decatur. The post master handed me a 
pamphlet directed to the Elder and dea- 
cons of Hardman's Baptist church. I put 
it in ray pocket. After getting home, I 
found it came from the committee of the 
New York Tract Society; wherein they 
state that God in his providence evidently 
requires, that thirty thousand dollars be rais- 
ed and remitted with the least possibledelay. 
Going on to state, so much to such a sta- 
tion and so much to another. So you see 
that money is the main spring at last. I 
must come to a close, finding so many 
abler writers than I am; such as old broth- 
cr Lawrence, who I think has pinned the 
basket about the tares and two seeds. 

Now the God of peace that brought 
again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that 
great shepherd of the sheep, through the 
blood of the everlasting covenant, make 
you perfect in every good work to do his 
will, working in you that which is well 
pleasing in his sight through Jesus Christ, 
to whom be glorv for ever and ever. A- 

lem) seems to remain firm, and would be 
glad of a visit from any Old School preach- 
er to help them; for the little flock, com- 
posed of 16, is surrounded by the enemy. 
In haste, respectfully, 



Effingham,- Darlington Bin. So. Ca 
.April 2Sth, 1S39. 

Dear Editors: The Old School doc- 
trine is beginning to work among the chur- 
ches, and produces strange effects. Some 
are in a cold sweat, some are disposed to 
vomit, some in a slate of torpor, while 
gome of the sheep would jump out of the 
fold were they not held back by the horns 
of the goat and the briars of their pasture; 
yet some reach the top of the fence and 
there see-saw till some old warrior of a 
goat gives them a butt and knocks them 

The little Old School church (New Sa- 


Florida, Gadsden counly, £ 
May 12//?, IS30. S 

Beloved brethren Editors: If I 
could feel worthy to claim relationship 
with you in Christ, and had the talents to 
address myself to you; then it might be, 
that you would be glad to hear from me. 
This love which I claim to you, or in you, 
is one of the braces which keep me up; For 
by this ye shall know ye are my disciples, 
if ye have lore for the brethren. And 
when t examine myself, and try the 
strength of my love to you and for the pre- 
cious cause of Christ, I must say to you, 
that it is not a mere form that induces 
me to call you beloved brethren; for it is 
not in the power of language to express my 
love to you, and with much pleasure I hear 
from you all in the different parts of the 
United States. I would rejoice to see you 
in the flesh, but this is not possible in this 
world; yet I have a small hope of meet- 
ing you in a world of rest, where parting 
will be no more. 

It is my faith, that the Lord through the 
medium of your paper, or rather his, by 
which he is doing much good in strength- 
ening his dear children, the true Primi- 
tive, and the convincing of many that are 
listening to all the fashions of the day, in 
crying, lo here, or lo there. But we are 
commanded to follow not after them, but 
to look at the way marks given in the good 
Book. But new missionists will say, they 
can support their point by the word of God, 
and will work all their argument to prose- 
lyte and draw all the world after them; for 
the name of benevolence to sweep crowds 
of people and a number of provinces not 
resigned to the w^ill of the all-wise Lord 
and Saviour of the predestinated from all 
eternity. For Christ said: Wide is the 
gate and broad is the way that leadeth to 
destruction, and many there be which go in 
thereat. Beware of false prophets, ye shall 
know them by their fruits. Do men gath- 
er grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? And 
can men make Christians or save souls by 
the power of man and money for the Lord? 
I answer, no; for the love of money is the 

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1-oot of all evil, and this seems to he the 
Cry, money, money, and give, give., to 
send the gospel to those that are dying for 
the want of it. Much might he said on 
this suhject, Hut I am not able to express 
my mind fully on this point; t will leave 
it for the meditation of my superiors, and 
to set it forth as the Lord may direct (heir 
minds. Farewell. 



Madison county, Alabama, } 
May 41 h, 1839. \ 

DeAr Brethren: I send you a short 
and simple reply to all the mockers of God 
and the Bible. It is well known, by way 
of derision, that the Old School Baptists 
are often called hard heads, iron jackets, 
&c. which are intended to reproach them 
as Antinomians, Sac. Now the scripture 
says, we can dp nothing against the truth, 
but for thetrulh; therefore I remark, that 
it is a law of universal bearing that none 
can alter, for heaven made it. 

Sheep, one of the first figures in the 
scriptures to represent Christians, have 
their entire defence from the hardness of 
their jv ads. They will not bite nor kick,- 
and when they fight they will play a fair 
game; and if the world did know how 
they assimilated the poor Old Baptists with 
Jesus Christ and the scriptures, it is likely 
they would not throw so many stones at 

From a poor unworthy bankrupt, yet 
possessing all things, living by the life of 
him 1 killed. 

May faith and love be increased — grace 
and peace be multiplied. 

William cr utciier. 

highly favored through the agency 6f rny 
son, Elias Owen Hawthorn. 

Yet, brethren, [ feel to be with you id 
the spirit of your communicating to each 
other on the glorious privilege of revealed 
religion, on the God-laid plan suggested by 
brother Moseley, acceded to by brother 
Bennett, fostered by brother Lawrence, 
printed and published by that worthy cili- 
aen, Mr. Howard,- in Tarborough, in. my 
native State. From whence we can hear 
from all (lie churches, in these blood-bought 
United States of North America, and in a 
few years from our brethren overlhe gulf. 
Brethren, may I not repeat, the Goddaid 
plan. Amen. 

The design of these lines is, to form and 
revive acquaintance. I have read brother 
Lawrence's general circular, I have react 
old Dick arid his mistress, I have read bro- 
ther Moseley's experience which caused, 
my eyes to weep from a remembrance of 
my father, Benjamin Moseley, who preach- 
ed to me in the time of the revolutionary 
war; I have read old brother Biggs's, old 
brother Hembree's, and V. D. Whatley's; 
and here I lump the communications of 
every brother, equally valid in my estima- 
tion; because I think I know; the meaning 
of their hearts. 

Dear brethren,- if you can gather propri- 
ety out of these lines to make an introduc- 
tion for a poor old afflicted man, you will 
confer a fiivor on a well wisher to the Pri- 
mitive Baptist, and one who will try to do 
better hereafter, if God will. Wrote in 
haste. Farewell for the present. 



Bainbridge, Decatur county, Ga. \ 
May 20th, 1839. 5 
Very dear brethren in the Lord: 
This is the first time I have tried to use a 
pen for the purpose of corresponding with 
the Old School brethren. Yet 1 have 
been blessed with the privilege of reading 
four numbers of the 2d volume of the Pri- 
mitive Baptist, to wit, 15, 16, 17, IS. 
From reading them, we got a taste of the 
sweets of truth in an acceptable time. 
Having tasted a little honey, we wanted 
more, and we still cry, give, give, in this 
section of country; though we have been 

to editors primitive baptist. 

Montgomery county, Alabaim, } 
April ibth, 1839. \ 

Dear brethren in the Loud: I am 
favored again with the opportunity of wri- 
ting you a few lines of correspondence, in 
my weak and imperfect way. 1 hope you 
will bear with me in my manner of address 
to you. 

My dear brethren, it is a great satisfac- 
tion to me to read the writings of those whd 
do write in the Primitive Baptist, for it 
brings to mind the situation of the prophet 
Elijah, when he thought he was alone; but 
God made known to him thatlre had reser- 
ved to himself seven thousand that had not 
bowed the knee to Baal nor kissed his 
image. And this the reason: They shall 
come forth as tried gold. 


12 f>5 

And; brethren, ns persecution and tribu- 
lation have been beneficial to Christ's dear 
children anciently, so 1 believe it will be 
in the pieser.t day. And in the language 
of the apostle, let us lay aside every weight 
and the sin that doth so easily beset us, 
and run with patience the race set before 
lis, looking to Jesus the author and finisher 
of our faith. 

I conclude my letter by subscribing my- 
self your unworthy brother. 

G. W. JET EH. 


Fowllon, Ga. 2Ath April, 1839. 

Dear brethren Editors: The way of 
truth being evil spoken of by some, I 
must, for the purpose of assisting the faith 
Of others and thereby confirming them in 
the truth "once delivered to the saints," 
again ask you to send me six copies of the 
"Primitive," and 1 will again comply with 
your terms. 

Yours in Christian fellowship. 


unworthy friend and well wisher. Please 
continue our papers, as they appear ever 
new and satisfactory to us, &c. 



Alabama, Barbour county, ? 
May 3rd, 1839. 5 

Dear brethren Editors: I have ta- 
ken my pen in hand to try to send you 
some money. Enclosed you will find five 
dollars for the purpose of defraying the 
expense of your valuable paper the Primi- 
tive Baptist. Why I call it valuable is, be- 
cause I think it is doing much good in this 
section of country. 

I was the first that ever tried to make a 
distribution of that valuable paper in this 
settlement. I got the loan of a few copies 
of them from my brother Lewis Herring, 
and after a strict examination of the con- 
tents, it seemed to mcthat I could not feel 
satisfied not to show my friends and neigh- 
bors what a prize I had found, and solicit- 
ed their attention to take notice of them. 
And it appeared to strike their attention 
like mine, that they wanted their friends 
and neighbors to see amLread them. And 
from what 1 understand, there are three or 
four churches come out from the moneyed 
institutions of the day, and declared non- 
fellowship with them. 

Dear friends, excuse my awkward wri- 
ting and correct errors, as it is from your 

to editors primitive baptist. 

Georgia, Crawford county, } 
May is/A, 1S39. C 

Brethren Editors: I see the proopla 
are wearing out. The churches are gene- 
rally separated, and the war is over, and 
the Old Baptist? have laid down their 
arms. But in my opinion there is as much 
need of them now, as ever there was; for 
they (the missionaries) are creeping into 
the Legislature by their institutions, and 
having their places incorporated by law* 
and begging donations constantly. And 
from every political movement in Georgia* 
should they carry their plans into effect* 
our liberty in church and state is gone; 
Finally, none shall buy nor sell without be 
has the mark of the beast in his head or 

Yours in bonds of affection. 



North Carolina. — J. Biggs, Sen. Williamsion 
R. M. G. Moore, German/on. W. W. Mizell, Ply- 
mouth. Jacob'Swindell, WasJungtpn, James Soti- 
therland, Warrenfon. Alfred Partin, Baleigh. 
Charles Mason, lloxboro\ James Wilder, Ah* 
derson's Store. Benj. Bynum, Speight's Bridge. H» 
A vera, Averasboro'. Parham Pucknt, Richlands. 
John H. Keneday, Chalk Level. Burwell Term 
pie, JVa/ce county. Obadiah Sowell, Rogers' P. O. 
Geo. W. McNeely, Leaksville. Wm. H. Vann, 
Long Creek Bridge. Thomas Bagley, Smithfield 
Stephen Rogers, Holly Spring. James H. Sasser, 
Waynesboro'' . John Fruit, Sandy Creek. L. B; 
Bennett, Heathville. William J. Roberts, Buffalo 
Hill, Alfred Ellis, Strabanei Cor's Canaday, 
Car/erettsvil/e. William Welch, Abbott's Creeki 
J. Lamb, Camden C. Hi Allen Taylor, Jun. 
Pocky Mount. Ai B. Bains, Jri Stanhope. C.T; 
Sawyer, Powell's Point. Isaac Tillery, Lapland^ 

South Carolina. — W T m. Hardy, Saluda Hill, 
James Hembree, Sen. Anderson C. H. Charles 
Carter, Cambridge. Bi Lawrence* Effingham. 
James Burris, Sen. Bold Spring. William S. 
Shaw, Bock Mills. Levi Lee, Blackville. An- 
drew Westmoreland, Cashvillc. 

GeorgIa. — William Moscley, Bear Creeki Al- 
len Cleveland, McDonough. John McKenney, For- 
syth. Anthony Flolloway, Lagrange. P. M. Cal- 
houn, Knoxville. J: M. Rockmore, Mountain Creek, 
R.Reese, Ealonlon. Tho's Amis, Lexington. Jona. 
Neel, Macon. Charles P. Hansford, Union Hill. 
John W. Turner, Pleasant Hill. Joshua Bowdoin, 



lAJairsville. R.Toler, Upatolc. Clark Jackson, Fori 
Gaines. John Gayden, Franklin. John S. Keith, 
Lulhersville. P. H. EH wards, Georgetown. Win. 
Trice* Thomaston. Wm. Bowden, Union Valley. 
Ezra McCrnry, Warrenton. Wiley Pearce; Cairoi 
G. W. Holifield, P^rftore. 13. Pace, Cfaw TWn. 
Lewis Peacock, Cassville, Vaehal D. Whatley, 
Barnesville. Alex. Garden, Mount Mome. EliasO. 
hawthorn, Bainbridgc. J. G. Wintaringham, Hallo- 
fcc Wm. M: Amos, Greenvillei Randolph Arnold, 
Latimer's Store. Thomas J. Bazemore, Clinton. 
Josiah Stovall, Aauilla. G. P. Cannon, Culloden- 
ville, Jason Grier, Indian Springs. William 
McKlvy, Attapulgus. Furna Ivey, Miiledg'&ailk. 
W'illiam Garrett, Cotton River, Je.-Jse Moore, 
Irwinton. Leonard Pratt, Whitesville. Thomas 
A. Sullivan, Decatur. Thomas J. Johnson, Kew- 
nan. Israel Hendon, Shiio. Robert B. Mann, 
Chcsnut Grove. William Tippit, Cedar Branch. 
A. G. Simmons, Hickory Grove, John Lawhon, 
Chenuba. Thomas Ci Trice, Hil/sboro', Jolin 
Heringtoh, Welbom's Mills, John MeCorquo- 
dale, Farchitulu. James P, Ellis, FincviWe, Shu- 
mate Ji Sloan, Chesnut Hill. French Hagtrard, 
Athens. Heliry Barron, Jackson, John Murray, 
Fort Valley, Josiah Gresham, Utoy, Daniel 0'- 
Neel, Fuwllon. John Applewhite, Waynesboro" 1 , 
J. B. Morgan, Friendship, Samuel Williams, 
Fair Flay, John Wayne, Cain's, Edmund 
Stewart, Hoalensville. R, S, Hamiick, Carrollton. 
AbnerTison and David Smith, Cool Spring, 

Alabama. — L. B. Mosely, Cahawba. A. Kea- 
ton, McConico. John Blackstonc, La Fayette. VV. 
W. Carlisle, Frcdonia, Henry Dance, Daniel's 
Prairie. Wm. W. Walker, Liberty Hilt. Dan'l 
GafFord, Greenville, Samuel Moore, Snow Hill. 
John G. Walker, Milton. Henry Williams, Ha- 
vana. Samuel Clay, Mount Hebron. John F. Lo- 
vett, Cluibornc, Elias Daniel, Church Hill. 
John Bonds, Clinton, David Johnston, Lcightun. 
Adam McCreary, Brooklyn. Josiah Jones, Jack- 
son. David Jacks, New Market. Sherfod W. 
Harris, Vienna.. John McQueen, Graves' 1 Ferry. 
William Talley, Mount, Moriah, Graddy Her- 
ring, Clayton. G. W.Jeter, Pint La/a, Samuel 
Cm Johnson, Phasant Grove. William Crutcher, 
Huntsvillc. W illiam Hi Cook, Pickcnsville. 
Seaborn Hamrick, Flantersvil/c. William Mel- 
ton, Bluff Fort. James Si Morgan, Lay/on. Wm» 
Hyde, Gainesville, Rufus Daniel, Ja/neston, An- 
derson W. Bullard, Tusgcgce. Frederick Hines, 
Gaston, Z.Johns, Tiara, Eli McDonald, Pains- 
ville. A. Mitchell, Carter's Hill. William Pow- 
ell, TonngsviWe. James Hay, JVacooca, Silas 
Monk, Horse Shoe Bend, 11. Lackey, Scraper. 
James F. Watson, Abbeville, David Tread well 
and R.W.Carlisle, Mount Hickory . Allen Knight, 
Argus, Joseph II. Hollo way, IhizXe Green, Luke 
It. Simmons, Troy. Jesse Lee, Farmcrsville, 
William S. Armstrong, Louisville. Mark Porter, 

Tennessee. — A. Y~. Farmer, Blair's Ferry, M. 
H. Sellers, Ten Mile. Wm. Patrick, Poplar Corner. 
Mich'1 Bmhha]let, Cheeksville. Tho's K.Clingan, 
Smith's y, Roads. W .E.Pope, Philadelphia. Aaron 
Compton, Somcrville. Charles Henderson, Emery 
Iron Works. Asa Newport, Mecsvillc. James 
Mauldett, Van Buren. A .Burroughs, Wesley. Wm. 
Croom, Jackson. Daniel Briggs, Decatur. Clem 
mons Sanders, Mount Vernon. Daniel Webb, 
Lexington. Sioa Bass, 'Three Forks, JohnW. 

Springer* Sugar Creek. Smith Hansbrough, Jiicks 
Creek, William Si Smith, Winchester. Isham 
Simmons, Calhoun. Thomas Hill, Seviervif/e, 
Ira E. Douthit, Lynchburg, C.T. Kchols, Mifiiin. 
Aaron Tison, Medon. Levi Kirkland, IVaver/y. 
Abner Steed, Fayetlevilte, Henry Randolph 
Snodysvillc. Pleasant E. Witt, Check's^ Roads. 
J i Cooper, Unionville. George Turner, Wayerlyt 
Michael Branson, Long Savannah. Jas. H. Hol- 
lo-way, Hazel Green, William McBce, Old Town 

Mississippi. — Jesse Battle, Meridian Springs. 
Richmond Baines, Dai/ril/c. Worsham Mann, 
Columbus. Silas Dohhs, Brooklyn, Henry Pet- 
ty, Zion, William Huddleston, Thomasfan. Na- 
than Tims, Kosciusko, Jonathan D. Cain, IJ'a- 
tcrford. Nathan Morris, Lexington. Charles 
Hodges, Cotton Gin Fort. 

Florida. — James Alderman, China Unmet Da- 
vid Callaway* Cherry Lake, 

Louisiana. — Peter Bankston, Narburyville. — < 
Thomas Paxton, Greensboro'. Uriah Stevens'* 
Fine Grove. 

Missouri!. — Calvin Newport, Springfield. Joel 
Ferguson, Jackson. 

Illinois. — Richard M. Newport, Grand View, 
James Marshall, Salem. 

Indiana. — Peter Saltzman, New Harmony. \- 
Saac Wi Dcnman, Gallatin, Zacharialt McClure* 
Tcrre Haute. 

Ohio. — Joseph H. Flint, Hamilton. R. A. Mor- 
ton, Fulton. John B. Moses, German/on, 

Kentucky. — .lona. H.Parker, Salem. 

Virginia. — Kemuel C. Gilbert, Sydnorsviile. 
Rudolph Rorer, Bergcr\? Store. John Clark, Fre- 
dericksburg. E. Harrison, Heningsvillc. Win. 
W. West, Dumfries. Joseph H. Eanes, Calland's. 
William Burns, Halifax C, Hi George W. San- 
ford, Harrisonburg. Jesse Lank ford, Bowers's, 
Elijah Hansbrough, Somerville. Wilson Daven- 
port, While House. 

Dis. Columbia. — Gilbert Beebe, Alexandria. 

Pennsylvania. — Hezekiah West, South Hill, 
Joseph Hughes, Gum Tree. Nathan Everltt, 
Chi/licoats Town. 

Wisconsin Ter. — M. W. Darnall, Blue River. 


James Alderman, $5 

j M. D. Holsonbake, 1 

! G. W. Jeter, 11 

David Johnston, 5 

Moses McSpaden, 1 

James Maulden, $7 
Wm. Hawthorn, 5 
John H. Daniel, \h 
John W. Turner, 5 
John ITogins, 1 

The Primitive Baptist is published on the sec- 
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Dollar per year, (or 24 numbers) payable on re- 
ceipt of the first number. Five Dollars will pay 
for six copies subscribed for by any one per- 
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are notified to stop them, unless otherwise direct- 
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risk. Letters and communications must be past 
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SATURDAY, JUNE 22, 1839, 

No, 12= 


i'OIl THE 


OeorgU aunty, } 

:./, 183-9." <f 
Be loves brethren Kditous: In'my 
first communication to brother Bennett 1 
promised, that when matters in things of 
religion assumed a rn*5re s ■■ charac- 

ter, thrill would cor.- iurfica.1 iim arfd 

through him to my b ret hi 
condition of the deritfffn nation : is part 
of God'"s moral vincy. i.i : which : 
from ne ; girt ar in 

public, see; ng that non brdfl 

formerly belonged to the Bethel Associ- 
ation have undertook to give anything like 
fc' general detail of the rebgiaii: cc 4 
that has. for the las years been go 

on in that body. And as the sti 
herein contained are made mostly fftnh, re'-' 
collection-, seme errors may ha :rept in, 
for which I indulge a hope that if it sbi 
be the case my brethren will charge it to 
my forgelfuhiess, as it. is r e lion to 

give the whole truth in the spirit of the 

I will begin w'Lli the Constitution of the 
Association, which look place in the fall 
1833, by mutual consent of the C 
Association, of which the churches thai 
composed her were members. And neth- 
, r, of importance took pir.ee in her delibe- 
rations, as I have been informed, exc 
that all her business was done in the til most 
degree of harmony And brotherly love un- 
til 1836, when 1 first became cori 
with her. The institution^ of the 
by this time taken considerable hold in the 
Columbus Association, and it seemed that 
the time had come that the Bethel brethren 

could no longer be left to do their own 
constitutional business in pea'ee, for at that 
cession without (he Feast expectation of 
most of.tho •brethren, a noted msdtutionist 
namely 'Jonathan Davis, pivsenied a peti- 
tion from tire Geoi ion for this 
ocialion to open a i licence with 
[y. The correspondence was at 
•' upon constitutional grounds, 
together With a want of fellowship for the 
operations of that body. And hen? forth 6 
firat d it contended that fellow* 
phfp v i-n it necessary to correspondence; 
tutitMfists weni ^'^ra? to 
con >ond wlt-h'^a-ny 
ri ■ •■■ kn they saw 
that Ihei'i in would be 16'st, ihey ro- 
' it it should be seiil to the chor- 
es for them to decide, and send vr> thsir 
hes in relftion to it at the next session 
But no sooner had that been h-.id aside!} 
than they made another attack in an at~ 
: isl -a domestic missionary 
society, a ■. latrowage oi the Asso- 
ciation: but that was r>:b rle f ! by 3 largfe 
1 i ty, and so I he controversy ended at 
e only to be renewed with redou- 
bled vigor the next year. 

Soon after this, (lie Columbus Associa- 
tion commenced her session, during which 
si e voted by majority of five, to open cor- 
e with the Convention; in con- 
sequ adlich, the delegates' of a n'tiftl- 

ches went home, leaving the 
remainder to do any thing they might 
think proper, as they never expected to re- 
turn. But little else of importance took 
place during the year, except the election- 
eering that might be expected as a matter 
' rse. 
So the time roiled on for another session 
of the Association, at which the- churches 
almost unanimously sent up no c^rrespoA-' 



dence and some of them no fellowship with 
the Convention. But all this did not stop 
the contention, for by this time this peti- 
tion bearer, Mr. Davis, had moved within 
the bounds of the Association and came 
with a petition from a newly constituted 
church, robed with all the institutions for 
admittance into the Association. This pe- 
tition wasof course objected to by the non- 
fellowship delegates, and the debate which 
ensued lasted nearly a whole day; during 
which some disorder was manifested. And 
here I heard one of those advocates for 
liberty of conscience as they call them- 
selves say, that if he was to spend his mo- 
ney to erect an idol in his house, and bring 
his heifer or bullock and offer it as a sacri- 
fice to the idol, it was his own and he had a 
right to do what he pleased with' it, and 
that none of his brethren would have a 
right to call his act in question. And here 
I will remark, that if this is liberty of con- 
fidence I want nothing to do with it; But 
at length after a considerable cry, which 
was called by most of the brethren present 
the Spirit of the Lord, the church was ad- 
mitted over those who had declared non- 
fellowship. How far this act agrees with 
the discipline of the Baptist denomination, 
I leave the discerning to judge. After 
this, the Association resolved to drop her 
correspondence with the Columbus Asso- 
ciation, in consequence of her correspond- 
ing with the convention, and clo;7ed her 
session without any thing more of import- 
ance, except passing a resolution granting 
the Clerk liberty to grant letters of dismis- 
sion to as many churches as might desire it 
during the year, in which time some six or 
eight churches took letters and. united with 
the dissenting churches of the Columbus 
Association in constituting a new one. 

But the war was not yet over, for what 
do these disturbers of the peace do, hut go 
to the Columbus Association and solicit her 
to petition for renewal at the'next session; 
at which place they assigned a circular 
which appeared in the Christian Index un- 
der date the first of Nov. last, disclaiming 
all connexion with the Old School Baptists, 
and recommending their brethren not to in- 
vite such men as were engaged in preaching 
against all benevolent institutions and who 
favor a declaration of non-fellowship, into 
their pulpits. This piece I should like to 
see copied in the Primitive, as it has done 
more good in bringing brethren who were 
before at a stand, to a discovery of the real 
character of those men, than any thing that 

has appeared in print in this country. For 1 
they came from thence to the Bethel Asso- 
ciation to meet their brethren, who voted 
in their presence the last year that a con- 
nexion with the institutions ought to 
amount to a , bar to fellowship; and there 
with as much flattering hypocrisy as tho 
ancient pharisees, professed the utmost 
love and fellowship for their anti-mission 
brethren as they called them', disclaimed 
the idea of parting, and this man J. Dav»s 
therein the presence of the whole Associa- 
tion, called on God to forbid that he should 
ever lay down a gauntlet on that floor for 
division among his brethren. And at 
length with this flattering language they 
obtained a small majority in favor of re- 
newing correspondence wi'.h the Colum- 
bus, which had unanimously agreed to be- 
come a component member of the Conven- 
tion. And now, in consequence of these 
acts and to prevent a continual strife, many 
other churches have withdrawn from them. 
The enclosed sheet contains the Circular 
Letter prepared by brother C. A. Parker,- 
which I send for publication, that the breth- 
ren here and elsewhere may know what 
kind of a spirit prevailed in the body; 
And so 1 conclude by subscribing myself 
yoursas ever. JJlMES P. ELLIS. 


The Bethel Baptist Jlssociation to the 
churches of which she is composed 
sends Christian love and esteem. 
Dear Brethren: Through the indul- 
gence of a kind and ever gracious Provi- 
dence, we have been permitted to assemble 
once more in our associate capacity, and in 
conclusion we send out to you this our Cir- 
cular Letter, exhorting you as ministers 
and members to the remembrance of your 
calling. And as we design this to be the 
subject matter of our Circular, we will cite 
you to first Corinthians 1st chap, and 26lh 
verse: For you see your calling, breth- 
ren, how that not many wise men after the 
flesh, not many mighty, not many noble,' 
are called. Before we take up the subject 
as it stands before us we shall observe, 
Christ's manner in calling his first di&u-. 
pies, and his manner in sending them ou'u 
But first we shall touch lightly upon the cha- 
racter and lifeof John the Baptist, that aliho' 
he came of the sacerdotal line, see Luke 
the 1st and Slh, yet his manner of appear- 
ance was by no means gaudy; for he was 
clothed with camel's hair and a leathern 
girdle about his loins, and his meat was lo- 



busts Orid wild honey. See Matthew 3d 
and 4th. Though his ministry proved 
hone the less- effectual in the fulfilling of 
his calling, in consequence of the mean-" 
iiess of his raiment, he was sent of God 
[not to erect and head a theological semi- 
ary, or Baptist college, but T J to preach re- 
pentance and baptism in the name of his 
heavenly master and thus fulfil his calling, 
and decreased while the kingdom of his 
Lord was io increase. See John, 3d & 30th. 
And as our object is to prove by the 
text, with many more scriptures, that not 
many wise men after the flesh, riot many 
mighty, not many noble are called, we 
shall 2ridly observe, that in calling if it 
had been the mind of Christ, he possessing 
all power in heaven and earth, he. could 
easily have called Herod from his throne, 
or the learned Pharisees, or the members 
of the Jewish council. But according to 
the text before us, he passed by all these 
men who were honorable in their day, 
mighty in their wisdom, learning and in- 
fluence, and called a despised publican 
from the receipt of custom, and the sons of 
Zebedee, poor fishermen, from their occu- 
pation. And Ihe command was, [not that 
they should go to the seminary of learning 
to be taught of man, or qualified with that 
wisdom that man teacheth, but'] follow me, 

dom, but in the power of God, see 2d 
chap, and 5lh verse, they wero in a great 
degree ready to cast the gospel from them; 
and the brethren had become much wa- • 
vering as at the present day, through the 
wisdom and influence of men who were 
wise after the flesh. And although they 
were a learned people, the apostle did not 
undertake amongst them to reconcile the 
plan of redemption by philosophy, but com- 
forts the souls of the brethren in this their 
day of trial aod trouble; refreshing their 
memory upon the manner of their calling 
in the language of the text. 

He says in the same chapter: We preach 
Christ crucified", unto the Jews a stumbling 
block; and unto the Greeks foolishness; but 
unto them which are called, both Jews and 
Greeks, Christ the power of God and the 
wisdom of God. 24th verse. Hence we 
see, that a knowledge of salvation is that 
which the wisdom of the world never at- 
tained; it is a revealed knowledge. If the 
saints would recollect their calling, they 
would see that God hath chosen the fool- 
ish things of this world to cpunfound 
the wise, and God has chosen the weak 
things of the vyorld to confound the things 
which are mighty; and base thing9 of the 
world, and things which are despised* hath 
God chosen; yea, and things which are 

and I will make you fishers of men. And ■ nofj to bring to nought things that are, 
again, when Jesus had called a certain man that no flesh should glory in his presence, 
he begged leave first to go and bury his 'verses 27th, 28lh and 29th. Again, the 
father; Jes said, follow me, and let the apostle asks: Where is the wise? where is 
dead bury their dead. Matt. Sth, 22d; | the scribe? where is the disputer of this 
which proved to that man and proves to i world? Hath not God made foolish the 
Us, that the preaching of the gospel is not' wisdom of the world? For after that in 
to be with them that are called a matter of the wisdom of God the world by wisdom 
secondary consideration. Thus we see' knew not God, it pleased God through the 
that from all that we can learn in the New! foolishness of preaching to save them that 
Testament of Christ the testator, that the believe. 2 1st verse. And the same apos- 
callof Christ was a sufficient qualification tie tells us that: He laketh the wise in 
to authorize all his disciples to enter upon | their own craftiness — and again: the Lord; 
the great work of preaching the everlasting ! knoweih the thoughts of the wise, that 

gospel of the kingdom; and with noticing, 
thalGod theFatherchose that hisSonshould 
be born of parents no! mighty., or noble. 

We will come to our subject. And 1st, 
Corinth was a city of Greece, a place where 
the apostle had previously preached with 
much success the truth and simplicity of 
the go?pel. We shall here notice, the 
Greeks were a people of arts and sciences; 
they possessed some most able statesmen, 
eloquent orators, and sublime poets, in 
short, it is admitted on all hands, that they 
were a learned people. And because the 
faith of brethren did not stand in their wis- 

they are vain. 3d chap. 19th and 20th, ver- 
ses. St. James tells: Hearken, my belo-. 
ved brethren, hath not God chosen the 
poor of this world, rich in faith and heirs of 
the kingdom. See James, 2d and 5th. And 
again, we read in the Sth Psalm and 2d 
verse that: Out of the mouth of babes and 
sucklings thou hast ordained strength, be- 
cause of their enemies, that thou mjghtes^ 
still the enemy and the avenger. 

W T e would further have you, brethren, 
remember the language of Christ himself: 
I thank thee, Father, Lord of heaven 
and earth, because thou hast hid these 



that (here is one bod)' and one Spirit, feVetff 

as ye are called in one hope of your call- 
ing, one Lord, one faith, and one baptism; 
one God and Father of all, who is above 
all, and through all, and in you all. And 
may we remember the rattguage of the 
blessed apostle, recorded in ihe text. May 
the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, be with 
you ail. is ihe prayer of ihe Association in 
behalf Opall the churches. 

■ - "■ of this Circular whi^h is 
enclosed in brackets, is that part which w'a? 
struck out by a committee appointed by 
the Associ&tieif, as being deemed objec- 
tionable J. P. K 

things from the wise and prudent, and hast \ 
revealed them unto babes; even so, Fath- 
er, for so it seemed good in thy sight. By 
reading and well weighing the above men- 
tioned passages of scripture, we shall clear- 
ly see that the maimer of. 'Christ's calling 
ministers was alike effectual when on 
earth and after his ascension; for it is evi- 
dent, that after he ?.rose from the dead and 
enlarged the commission of his disci] 
from the narrow scope of Ihe Innd of Israel 
to go ihtb all the world, that he rem,- 
the same and that his manner of calling was 
the same. For the apostle who 'wrote 1 the 
text was converted, commenced prea'chii 
and had built up the Corinthian chu < 
fer the ascension of Christ; -nd after a!i 
this, when the apostle comes lo write this 
epistle lie testifies still in the language of 
our text that: Not many wise mc-n after the 
flesh, not many mighty, not many noble 
are called. And we read again tha't: One 
day is with the Lord as a thousand yearfe, 
and a thousand years as one day — and that: 
Known unto the Lord are all his works 
from the foundation of the world. 

[And as Cod thro'ali ages of the world k'.~ 
who should be bis ministers, if he wished 
a ministry more mighty, noble, dignified ! gia, not knowing with whom my lot would, 
and learned, he could have put the means i be cast, and well knowing thegeneral dis- 
in operation in their chiidhoou; sufficient lings ' the opposition, I was 

to have accomplished in ihem a thdr'o'ei tie o and cvy unto the Lord for his 

Cation. We hope that none of our readers guidance and protection in a!! trials, perse- 
will suppose from this, 'thai We* as an A Ssb- | cut ions and flties that awaited me. 


Cha?noers count;/, -Jllahwna, > 
20 ih January, 1839. > 
I'EAr; Brethren: In a postscript to 
my last communication in Georgia, 1 pro 
mised thai you-should hear of the times 
here after my removal to this State; a 
compliance with which I now attempt. 

It wasr'whh extreme regret and sorrow 
that I left mv church and brethren in Geor- 

ciatios are enemies to Ii or the 

spread of literature, arts and sciences; we 
should always encourage literary institu- 
tions for literary purpose-; but as our 
bounds are in the s at 1 Christ 

• and his word and spirit, and, the i 
of the apostles, are ourdi 
this our day of grace, and as we have nei- 
ther precept nor example left to us by 
them for any religious institution except 
the. church of Christ, and as new institu- 
tions attend new dispensations, and as we 
have no reason to. believe thai Chi ist has al- 
tered in his purposes in conducting the af- 
fairs of his kingdom here on earth, a'fti 
he has given us no new dispensation smi 
he took away the first and established the 
second. *] 

Hoping, dear brethren, that the scrip- 
tures to which we have called your atten- 
tion will excite in you a prayerful le- 
gation of the same, and thai this our Circu- 
lar may be instrumental in the hand of 
God in enablingus to keep the unity of 
Splri I; it) the bonds of pea ce. Rem em her i ng, 

It pleased ihe Lord to disappoint my fears 
Least my lot in the immediate vicinity 
of a church and people of our order, who 
bad but just emerged from the yoke of 
thraldom of the man worship of the day. 
This church (Enon) was constituted some 
eight or ten months ago with only six. 
members, who bad obej-ed the command 
and come out; but she now numbers up- 
wards of thirty, the acquisition has been 
by experience as well as by letter. 

an what I discover, the Old School 

Baptists outnumber the missionaries ia 

this count)', both in preachers and lay 

numbers, and are on (lie gaining hand in 

numbers and respectability. Brotherly 

\'jv? } peace and unanimity of sentiment 

rri to abound herein an unusual degree, 

In November last, delegates from (I think) 

thirteen churches, convened at Enon, and 

• constituted into an associate bbdy. I 

know not the total number, but would 

s from my recollection of the numbei 

named in each letter that it is not short of 

four hundred. This Association (Bulah) 



was 'attended by several preachers from 
Georgia as well as from this State, who 
seemed filled with the spirit and preaching 
of Christ's gospel, which was delivered in 
much clearnesses and ability to an attentive 
audience. The business of die Associa- 
tion from first to las!, was conducted in 
such brotherly union of sentii :1 ac- 

tion, that surpassed any tiling of the kind 
I have ever witnessed, This deligh 
prospect caused me to retrospect, ami 
view the contrast between this and Associ- 
ations hold in Georgia a few years past, 
when all was confusion, and i ority, 

(society men) vyilh their bust of man-made 
preachers, 'were laying yokes on those op- 
posed to their idolatry, too heavy to be 
home. As respects theological or man- 
made preachers, I will here give Paul's 
testimony in his epistle to the G alii 
1st chap, 1 verse: --Raul an apostle', (not 
of men, neither by ma.;:, but by Jesus 
Christ and God the Father, who raised 
him from the dead.") Again, verse the 
1 2th, for "i neither received it of man '■ 
neither was I taught it, but by the revela- 
tion of Jesus Christ." Head the chapter. 

The spirit of Christian meekness and 
brotherly love that seems through. 013 ' to 
abound among the Old School Baptists, is 
a source of consolation to my feelings be- 
yond my expression, ar;d convincing to 
my mind that their separation from the 
idolatrous society system of the day, and 
endeavoring to walk in the good old ways 
marked out by Christ and his apostles^, is 
divinely approbated. Our vast extended 
community is convulsed, and acrimony, 
injury, slander, envy and bitter fteling 
abound! View the change for 20 years! 
What has done it? is it not too plain t© 
admit of eontradiccion, that a departure 
i>om the scriptural guide, the society sys- 
tem, the love of filthy lucre, man worship, 
yea, priestcraft has done it. 

To contribute to the relief cf the poor 
and needy is right; but it rather appears to 
me, that these missionary Arminians have 
in part done away the primary use of dea- 
cons, for instead of making collections for 
the needy, they^fwill beg and receive of 
them; and this too for the outfit of their> 
theological students. iVJicah, the 3d chap, 
and 11th verse: '-The heads thereof judge 
for reward, and the priests thereof teach 
for hire, and the prophets thereof divine 
for money; yet will they lean upon the 
Lord and say, is not the Lord among us? 
Thus they speak at and of their protracted 

meetings. Again, Isaiah, 1st chap, and 
23d verse: •■''iWcvy one loveth gifts and 
follow.eth after rewards, and they judga 
not the fatherless, neither doth the causa 
of the widow come up unto them. Versa 
8th: Their land is full of idols, they wor- 
shjp live work of their own hands." 

The, crusade wars commenced about the 
year 1036, and ended in about the year 
1291, without effecting any of their papal 
ey then more insidiously ef- 
fected that degree of potency, to which 
they subsequ arrived. Teachers were 

sent in different parts to teach the youths 
gratuitously, who came out Roman Catho- 
lics, "'in 1 301, Pope Boniface held a 
Council at Rome, in which he promulga- 
ted his constitution of Unam Sanctum, by ~ 
which he declares (he church to be one bo- 
dy, under one head, possessing tws.swords; 
one spiritual, to be wielded by the pope 
himself, the other temporal, to be used by 
kings and knights, at his will." He con- 
cludes another bull thus: '-Since such is 
our ple-asure, who, by divine permission, 
rule the world," &c. Laniard's Universal 
History, p. 214. 

ifrom the same authority we -have the 
ifing account i?f missionism, between 
the years 17G3 and 1 773: "Europe now 
reposed from war. This period of tran- 
quility is marked by the suppression of the 
of Jesuits. This order was founded 
by a soJdLer, Ignatius Loyola, in the time 
of Charles the 5th._ Retaining his milita- 
ry ide \ -•, i ;atius imposed on the members 
of his new order the strictest obedience. 
His successors, Lainez and A.quaviva, 
founded it into an institution. It speedily 
developed its powers; the Jesuits became 
directors of the consciences of the great, 
and teachers of the young; they were the 
most zealous of missionaries. Forming a 
hod}' whose soul was the general of the 
order at Rome, they were the chief stay of 
papal power, and on" them rested the re- 
maining hopes of regaining spiritual domi- 
nion. But with all its high aspirations, the 
order met with no final success, and wers 
.-impressed; its assumptions were too high, 
its mora: system too lax, its intrigues too 
dark and complicated." 

About the year 1S30, a northern emis- 
sary passed through Georgia, on the busi- 
ness cf establishing the mau institutions of 
the day, and making collections, as he 
said, for missionary, and other purposes. 
The preachers on a Sabbath at a church 
wherel then belonged, (Hunting Shoals,) 



at the close of which he endeavored to 
form a Sunday school, said he had books, 
or tracts, with him for the commencement, 
and vyonld send on more as they were nee- 
ded. Now this was too good. This men- 
diqant did not succeed well, the old mem- 
bers stood aloof. I recollect some obser- 
vations of my old father, (Litlleherry Grc- 
sham,) to this amount, on this occasion: 
i 'The yoke of Christ is easy, let us not vol- 
untarily take on us this of man's institu- 
tions." I have recently been told that, 
that church stands firm on the old platform. 

Now, brethren, retrospect on the past, 
and compare that with the present aspect 
of the man-effort system in point of affini- 
ty; to me the consanguinity is not doubtful. 
School books are interspersed with the 
doctrine of the effort system, and since it 
is evident what effects such things have 
and wili haye on the minds of youth, cau- 
tion should be exercised in the patronage 
of such production 4 :; for the whole society 
system, with its ebony, and all its illegiti- 
mate offspring, are bantlings of the same 
pld harlot. 

The missionary or Arminian Baptists, 
and, all Arminian sects, have coalesced in 
the society efforts. In my view of the 
case, nothing is now wanting to convert 
the Old School Baptists to the man worship 
of the day, but further and more full legis- 
lative enactments. At all times we have 
candidates enough for legislative seats, who 
will vote any way for self aggrandizement, 
and the support of popularity. Mississip- 
pi has incorporated some of the effort chur- 
ches, granting powers, making donations, 
&e. Georgia has incorporated its great 
Sanhedrim, (Baptist Slate Convention,) 
granting powers, &c. Asa matter of course 
no teachers are employed in their Iheologi- 
cal institutions, but such as worship their 
gods. Our common schools are much 
trammelled by this power. If Socrates in 
all his literary bloom and vigor were ser- 
ving of them, unless he worshipped at their 
altar, he would by their usual mendacity& 
calumny, be set at naught and disgraced. 
At any r.Ue, this I too well know to be the 
case in many places of my acquaintance. 

I now eome to a close of this (perhaps my 
last.) communication. I am gradually de- 
clining under what is said to be a mortal 
Oiscnsc, and am further admonished by a 
sense of inability, and a diffidence in being 
a solitary female on your list. So, my 
dear brethren, I feel to take my leave of 
you. And may the God of all grace guide 

and direct us in the discharge of our duty, 
and enable us to shun error. I feel the 
most lively sensations of gralitude to the 
di\ine giver of all good and perfect gifl*, 
for the good feeling and union of sentiment 
th.st abound among us. Let us avoid alter- 
cations, so far as in us lies, holding to the 
propriety of self defence, and that of de- 
fending Christ's gospel, contending "for 
the faith once delivered to the saints,'* 
keeping in view thai our denomination, in 
persecutions, perils and strifes, ever have 
been in obedience to the laws of their 
country, and God has supported them to 
this day, and will until all his chosen aro 
called home to enjoy his presence in endr 
less fruitions of happiness. 

I am, dear brethren, yours in the bonds, 
of gospel affection. 



Pillsylvania cmnitrj, Va. } 
Irfpril 7/k, is 39. 5 

Brethtien Editors: It is by the kinds 
permission of God thai I am blessed with 
the privilege of letting you hear from me 
on the all important subject of religion. 
And in so doing, I will ask you, my read- 
ers and brethren, to notice the 13th chap. 
of the Acts; and there you will find that 
Paul and other disciples were going about 
and preaching, and in 6 verse theylell us 
that they found a certain sorcerer, a false 
prophet, whose name was Bar-jesus. 

My brethren, the apostles tell us that 
there were false teachers in their day, and 
said there should be among us, and so 
there are. For a few days ago I went out to 
hear a circuit rider preach, and I heard 
him; and he did not preach the truth, so I 
think he is a false teacher. And as Paul 
did tell the name of that false teacher ho 
came across, so will f, or as much of his. 
name as I have heard. For I have not 
learned to squint at things, as some who 
are more refined in their education; so I 
will be like the disciples of old in this case 
and say, his qame is Mr. Colbourth. If I 
have not spelt his name right, I hope he 
will understand it when he sees it, and 
hope he will not think hard of what I may 
say on this subject, as I only shall say what 
I do think of his doctrine which he did 
advance when I heard him. For the Me- 
thodists say, that all are right if they be- 
lieve they are right; for what a man doea 
and believes it to be right, it is, right to. 



him. If this is true, then I am sure [ am 
right when I say, Mr. C. did not preach 
the truth, for I most assuredly believe il 
so. It is right if their position is right 
which they use in arguing the case of 
baptism; but it is not so, for it is writ- 
ten: There is a way that seemcth right to 
man, and the end thereof is death. So their 
position is not good even in baptism. 

But I will come to the argument", and 
will show some of Mr. C.'s errors, if God 
will support me; for of myself I can do no- 
thing good, so I must trust in God and 
pray to him to work in me both to will and 
to do of liis pleasure such things as are 
right. So I will say that Mr. C. first said, 
that Jesus did shed as much of his blood 
for Judas as he did for Paul; which is not 
so, for I read that Jesus was a Lamb slain 
from the foundation of the world for u*, 
which are the church, and for the whole 
world in a spiritual sense; but it was for the 
church, and not for a devil as Judas was. 
So he was not slain for him, but for the 
church of Christ from the beginning of the 
world to the last day. So he is a Lamb 
slain for all the saints that ever have been, 
or that ever will be. So it is for the saints 
and not for devils that he shed his blood. 

Again, see I Cor. 6 cb. 10, 20 verses: 
What, know ye not that your bod}' is the 
temple of the Holy Ghost, which is in you, 
which you have of God. So it is of God 
pnd not of man. But to the Book. And 
ye are not your own, why? because ye are 
bought with a price. Here, Mr. C, you 
may see Paul with the whole church have 
their redemption through Jesus Christ; for 
Paul says: Ye are not your own, for ye are 
bought with a price. Here Mr. C. may 
see, that the saints are not their own, for 
they belong to Jesus for he bought them 
with his own blood; for it is written: Ye 
are the purchase of blood. So Jesus did 
purchase his church with his own blood, 
and will save them by his own almighty 
power; for he says: My grace is sufficient 
for you. So all he shed his blood ,for he 
will save, for his power and grace are suf- 
ficient for them. So they will not go to 
hell, as Mr. C. seemed to think Judas did. 
No, if he is there, then Jesus did not shed 
a.s much blood for him as he did for Paul; 
no, sir, he did not, or he would have 
thrown him by the way as he did Paul. 
For I do not read of his consulting Paul, 
whether he was willing to serve him or not; 
no, sir, Paul was his by purchase and with 
his own blood, so Jesus had a right to ar- 

rest him when and where he pleased. And 
he will do so, until he gets all his purchase; 
and if he purchased all mankind alike, he 
will save all mankind alike. 

But again: Mr. C. used the text where 
Paul said: We trust in the living God, 
who is the Saviour of all men. And never 
once told the people, that God was a spe- 
cial Saviour of those that believe; which 
you can see is so, 1 Timoth}', 4 chap. 10 
verse. Here Mr. C. may see, that God is 
a Saviour of all men; and so he is, for it is 
in him we live, move and have our being. 
So he saves all men, and so he did save Ju- 
das until his time was out here, and then 
he had a right to do with him what he plea- 
sed. So I will let God say where Judas is. 
But he did save Judas as he saves all men, 
but I will say to Mr. C. that he is a special 
Saviour to the church, for they have the 
promise of this life and of the life to come, 
Anjain: I wish Mr. C. to raad the 1st 
chapter of 1 Peter, and you will see that 
Peter was speaking of the elect, though he 
calls them strangers. See 3 verse says; 
Which according to his abundant mercy 
hath begotten us, (which is the church,) 
again unto a lively hope by the resurrec- 
tion of Jesus from the dead. Here 
I believe that every saint can say with Pe- 
ter, when they are born again, that they 
are begotten to a lively hope in the resur- 
rection of Jesas Christ from the dead. So 
Mr. C. can see, that Peter did not say that 
the saints knew all about it as he did; no, 
sir, you appeared to make very light of my 
hope in Jesus, but I find that Peter only 
had a lively hope, and that God got him to 
il. So you are wrong, for I must believe 
Peter before you. So as Peter hoped, I 
wish to hope. 

Ag-u'n: notice the 4th verse says: Toan 
inheritance incorruptible and undefiled, 
and. that fadeth no» away, reserved in hea- 
ven for you, (the saints.) Here you may 
see, sir, that the church though not known 
then to Peter, have their inheritance reser- 
ved in heaven. Now I will ask Mr. C. , if 
all men have an inheritance in heaven and 
then do not get there, what will become of 
it? And if Judas had an inheritance in 
heaven and now is in hell, as you supposed 
he was, what will become of his part? It 
must be lost, for God cannot change nor al- 
ter his will. Now if this inheritance is not 
prepared for them until they get to heaven, 
as some vainly suppose to justify the idea 
of falling from grace, then Peter could 
| not have said that, he hath begotten uj to 



this inheritance, tfbiela he said was reser- 
ved in heaven for you. So it is in a safe 
place, and 1 believe that this inheritance 
was given to the saints from before the 
foundation of the world, and they will get 
it But I want Air. C. to tell me, if one 
of the heirs to this inheritance should fall 
■from grace and be lost, as you seem to 
think Judas did, I say tell me, what will 
become of his part of it? for it is written ; I 
am God and change not. An J again: 
What the Lord purposeth shall ■ 

Again, see the 9 ih chap r 


mans, 1:1th terser For the chil 

not yet born, neither having done any gc . 
or evil, that the purpose of God accor I 
to election might stand; not of works, hut 
of him that Callelh. 13 verse: As ft 
wriLten, Jacob have 1 loved, 'hut notice 
the Lord says,) but Esau has I hated. 
Read on two or three more verses, or 
whole chapter, and then let God be true 
and every man a liar, and, pay what you 
think made God love one chil I '.ale 

the other, neijber having d or 

evil. Say, Mr. C. s it was that the purpose 
of God might siand according to election. 
See Acts, 1 ch;ip. 2 vet se. Hi re you s • 
the Loi'd gave commandments unto the 
apostles wtaefrrrhe hi I' in, Here you 

find the Lord did choose, which you can- 
not dispute, and the reason the Lord did 
choose is, because he had a right • 
and qualify his people for hi:; purpose, ■ . 
so he has as much fight to choose hid 
church as he has so choose his preachers; 
and one has been with God as long as the 
other, and he knew them all bi 
foundation of the world. So he knew who 
would be saved, and who would not; so! 
knew who to prepare - the inheritance • . 
and them thai it was prepared for will gel 
it, and none else. 

Dear brethren, I expect fo continue this 
subject, as there are one or two verses of 
scripture which Mr. C. did much pervert; 
which 1 have not room for on my sheet. 
And I wish you, my brethren, to examine 
this letter closely, as 1 have be en much in- 
terrupted since ! bdgan to write; ! have 
had to throw down my pen three or : 
times since 1 began, ami attend bp some- 
thing else avvhile. "dee the Lord bless 
you and his poor feeble saints, with a he.. 
full of sound doctrine. 

Nothing more at present. As ever your 
brother in Christ. Eajjcwelk 



.Kentucky, Livingston .county, J> 

, : ' I 67/i, 1839. S 

Dear Brethren: Though bearly a 

thousand miles apart, 1 ofitimcs think of 

you, with sorrowful feeling, 

id ■■ ■-. im ■ wii h io\ fui heart when I 

see your sli th and bravery in the cause 

i ead the -most of your 

writing, and it revives our poor droopiing 

h Irearej wih'er- 

; ■ v raids doth blowi 

.3 me tliink cf sitting on the 

iksof itfkin, n mc and my w ife 

were stra ge land: but then 

we only sought the things of ibis world, 

but now our spirits try to climb the ladder 

Jacob saw, but the schemes ei the day 

cloud up the era ,' with SEaoke end mists oi 

>ecul . king merchandize ot 

bur lies. 

My d r brethren, when [ say we or our, 

wifean , dren, am! soraafe 

few poor pilgrims Mnat i \.:^..-w. ara, my 

: servants.' When we can get to- 

.■-• ' -. can sir and tail: of our lonbscrcrie- 

ised us to har.p; quit harps: 

the willo 's and mourn in piece q! 

. g, It makes me feel willing to gross. 

Ian, v> henever summoning conies. 

I ana now in seventy-one years old, 

aiiii ■" be ■■ >■' e fat igufi of Ir'ar- 

g, or-I ivo mighl join 

mj eretli! en tie- Old Softool thpeiss 

:. - fou all, hut. my 

tongue and pi n would fail to tell how much ; 

my soul is: fo and with a thtee- fold 

cord. . D-EJk I ■:.'.■ HUESS. 

TO editors ?:u:i;rivii: battist. 

CJtu:nhcrs count:;, /Hahama, } 
20t: , i -3D. $ 
Brethren Editors: I take my- pen in 
• ;> d to let yen know that 1 still wafct to 
take your papers, ami :essome of the breth- 
ren want me to send or for them, 1 will 
you their names' in a list <felow* Ami 
i want to say to \ ■on, that I am we'll plca- 
■ ith the iVimiih e, still beBeving it to 
advocate Old ihipiist principles. And go 
with me as it imiv in eternity, I believe 
that 1 desire the welfare oi'.all iheeiiihlren 
ofri in ao ! lite prosperity oh God's afflict- 
ed Zton in this world; which i believe to 
be the Old School Ba.pt ists. 

re, my brethren, I want you to 
send on your little despisedpaper until you 


. 1. V 

nrar tVom :nc, for i u-;<i:t to rend them as There an liwee c! uirclm? ■•' that hare dteclarr 
Jon-gas they pojssass the saRW p^incipleis. ed to livi ind die together, before we will ic! low- 
So I will ciose h\ r sayiiigr, that wlitSn it si ip an; i f Lire ievj sch 'noes if the present day,, 
goes well with you, iarethren, retne/inb ■ - ..■ i, the Lord has told as-ol those times 

me. So Care we'll. -I tl latti i i ays and in the lattei 

II. \V. QjIRLIST'E. ye.'. ■-, ho will raise fr.og an 4 Magog and they 

,1 the .nprlih quarters and cover E'ae 

land Lil>e a cloud- to take cattle and goods, gold 

I liver. And ifhal ;. r Go?, but I le oppressive 

laws of govern merit? And* what is Magog, but 

the ■ i Ilea' lhat has filled, the ..world with tra- 

as and-d tel in 3 and commandment of men] 

, ■ ■ : - od is king in Zi n,andth.e yictory his 

own. "■ , thou happy ehui :b of the Lord! 

the primitive baptist. 

SATURDAY, JUftli! 23, 1839. 


Buncombe county, No. C#. il%23, 1339. 

Dtnu Brethren: I have just Been r 
gome of your Primitive Baptist -^papers, whi li 
have almost given roe a new life in my old a; 
to hear thai there are yet a people thatare't : rti i 
with a heavenly armor., enlisted under the b; n 
of King Emanuel, all standing on tl t ills of 
lower Zion with drawn ■:■■ ains 

principalities and the pbw/ets ofd knteis arid spir- 
itual wickedness in high places; 

that I Lad tl e voice pftl i '. ■■ harigel, ih it I 
could speak so loud that my dear beloved bn tl re i 
could hear me, that are scattered over this wilder- 
ness werrd of sin and , lo let. them know 
how happy I feel to hear that the church of my 
blessed Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ has I 
up eourage. and is coming hroughthi fiifri •■ 
bf persecution and: leaving all her di - b hind 
her in the fur a::, e, to he b mt »f> whorl the devil 
and bis 'missionaries and til transformed ministers 
will be wailing and gnashing their teeth forever 
and forevcri 

Dear brethren, fi.e this ii jjra'ry system has over- 
run our country, insarffticli that 1 had gh t aim >s 
to believe that I was left alone. Our Association, 
that is, the French Broaish has taken up with the new 
schemes of the Say, so that myself and them have 
declared unfellowship with each other. We haye 
a great many who say they do not like it, nor 
will not join it, and still lipid it in Fellowship -'so 
far as to invite their preachers inta their n. 
houses and to preaich with them and to take sacra- 
ment with them; and in the name of God, what is 
that but joining them and partakirYgbf their 
mentl I would 'sooner fellowship ohewho'w 
say be was a fud! blooded missionary than I would 
one of these. I can compare cur preachers to 
nothing so much as a weathercocli-^which ever 
■ way the wind bloWs the weathercock is always fa- 
cing it, blow from what quarter it may. So it is 
with our any way preachers — let the devil bringany 
new tradition, or new commandment, or any new 
doctrine, into the church, and they are ready to face 
and embrace it. , 

« and disnn ■■'. has been the night o$ thy afflie- 

lion; ri e and.siwg,-foi thylight is 'breaking forth 

as the rportiiu-g. . ,.;, that he has 

, I ;•■ ■ un prth roc to live to hear the <\yide 

n .- to one another in the 

tying,. COME OUT OP 

VI . PEOPLE, lb tl i ou be no.t partaker 

i f i , 1,-nos iffer ol . • ph gue ;. 

Deai bretbn ,1 must inform you that I am all 
the oi er in all this mountain country, 

hips th lewsehemes ol the 
day. We have a- great v--rv«h;t I Gall hush- 
tie n, tor in 'shippers of fine 

i loth in -. < i v cb iol ■ ay the wisdom 

of this di is foolishne a i ,viih Go i. 

Kfihu; i I , I ' ■■• ■■. i \- opinian concern- 
ing tl| se Ji a a) . .. bo want to alter the scrip' 
ture. ' stall- such men. 
\% for (he pil of hell than the pul- 
pit. ire.ll ■ I.,, ; for 

I tad- ha pt aViin-g; fc-i I spcaji the .enti - 
y ■ - ! publicly in 
all si ijsr.p time to thro/w grass and 

soR Wc I.;.,. \: t jnuat thi iW flint stoic eg "of; the hard- 
est kind, ifw< want to drive iiie devil's ministv-rs 
put of ^.a' churches. 

Dear breile ■ n, I must ci me to a close and say, in 

the name of Elijah's GodTgo on in whatyaajhave 

■ taken, and circulate your papers as fast as 

possible. So no mors a.l present, bat ever remain 

a true friend to the friends oj the apostolical church. 



Bear Cre'eJc, C.t. Wa'y 22<f, 1839. 

RatiTK'tEN Eci.- iris: Grace, rfii rcy and peace be 

multiplied, through' ou L'orcl le is Christ; not 

! only lintb } bit-, ■ : ; a ito ill tl e Israel of God. 

The'object"6f ihlk comnianieation is primely 

to detect error. Report's 'have been industriously 

circulated, that I have come Out a missionary. If 

they will let me define the term to mean, one sent 

of God to preach the gospel, I :\ ii! y v a i guilty to 



the charge; but if we takeit in its general accept; 

tion to mean one in favor of the society system, it 
is as false as lucifer. But perhaps the report has 
originated from the circumstance, of my quitting- 
retailingspiritous liquors. This I have done, ami 1 
am ashamed before God that I ever did do it. 
And if the Lord and my brethren will forgive me, 
I will try to prove my faith by my works. This and 
to weep over my folly while. I live, is all lean do. 

I now proceed to give you my reasons for so 
doing. 1st, it tends to collect about a man a set 
of drunken, profaue, vulgar persons, that are calr 
culated to vex his righteous soul from day to day 
with their filthy conversation. 2d, it influences per- 
sons to idle away their time, to the injury of their 
families and disgrace of themselves. 3rd, it is fil- 
ching from the family of drunkards through the 
poor drunken husband and father, their already 
scanty means. 4th, it is indirectly consenting 
that persons may get drunk, if they will pay you 
for it. 5th, I did not know how to sell a man 
spirits to get drunk on, and then reprove him for 
it. Gth, it will destroy the religious influence of 
any man on earth. 7th, it is corrupting to the 
morals of his childroni - 8th, and also to the youth 
of the neighborhood. 8th, I saw too many profes- 
sors of religion drink too much, and 1 fearsd that 
my selling of it encouraged them in it. And last 
hut not least, I felt guilty before God about it. 

And, brethren, I have not only desisted from 
selling ofliquor, but from drinking of it also. Not 
that I have ever drank to excess since I have been 
a Baptist, but I believe and am sure, that it did ine 
po good and that, that does no good, necessarily 
does harrri. And, brethren, I do not carry my 
jug or bottle in my saddle bags, nor keep it in the 
closet, nor under the bed; but [ have quit it, and I 
would to God all the Old School Baptists would 
do the same, and then the wounds of our Emanuel 
would no more be opened afresh in the house of his 
friends, by the shameful sin of drunkenness, 

■Brethren, just think how you would feel, when 
meeting pomes and in the presence of the world 
and all, the brother rises with his eyes cast to the 
floor, and instead of telling you of the- goodness 
of God, he begins the sad tale, I went to such a 
place such a day and I did not feel very well, and 
I took a dram and I thought it helped me; and \ 
took another, and I drank a little too much? (A lit- 
tle too much!) If I have not wanted to creep off 
iinder such circumstances, then \ am much mista- 
ken, Qh, brethren, for the Lord's sake, let us 
quit. (Come, \ have set the example; who will 
go with rnel) If nope will go, I will goby myself. 
But because I have quit one bad thing, does it 
necessarily follow that I must rush into another] 
Qod forbid. The church of Jesus Christ will do 
mOj without any of the speculative combinations 

of the day. But someone will say, if you do not 

retail, some one else will. All I have to say in 
answer is, because my neighbor kills a man that 
is no reason I should do it. Brethren, this one 
thing is the most fatal weapon our enemies cart 
wield against us; therefore; let us tear it from their 
grasp and consign it to oblivion forever. 

Brethren, I see or think I see, some omens of 
better times. I sed a flower here, and hear of an- 
other yonder. that God of his mercy would 
cause the sun of righteousness to arise once more, 
that his divine rays might warm, our poor hearts; 
and that the Zion of our God that has long lain in 
the dust, at his command might arise and by divine 
assistance, shake herself from the dust and put on 
her beautiful garments of declarative righteous- 
ness, and once more look forth as the morning, 
fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as 
an army with banners, js the prayer of yours in, 
the best of bonds. JVM, MOSELEW 


Four Mile. Branch, B. D. So. Ca. 
May 30///, 1S39. 
Dear Brethren: With much delight 
I have read a paper called fhe Primitive 
Banlist, and I do believe it doth corres- 
pond with the word of truth; and there are 
others of my brethren and friends, which 
say the same, and have authorised me as 
agent, to write to,ypu for papers. I there- 
fore wish you losend me rive papers, 

I conclude, subscribing myself yqurs, in 
gospel love. 


to editors primitive baptist- 

Franklin county, Va. > 
March 31, 1839. \ 

Dear Brethren: I again feel disposer! 
(o send you some of my scribbling. It 
may please the Lord, far what I know, to 
cause it to do some good in some way, as 
he has chosen (he weak things of this world, 
to confound the strong. 

And I want to let you know, dear breth- 
ren, why I am an Old School Baptist. And 
the first reason is, I believe they hold with 
the doctrine that Christ and the apostles 
held with, and do not suffer any of man's 
inventions to poison iheir churches; but 
preach salvation by grace and not by mon- 
ey nor by works, and contend that it is the 
Spirit of God. that quickens the dead soul 
and causes it to see and feel the danger it 
is exposed to. And that he by his Spirit 



leads this soul io repentance, and causes i 1 
todelight in holiness, and hunger and thirst 
alter righteousness. 

And now, my dear brethren, I think 
when a soul is thus led and thus dealt with 
by Almighty God, the time has come when 
God intended this soul sjjould be thus dealt 
with. And now the question arises, when 
did this enter the mind of God to deal thus 
with t Ills soul? Why, I do believe, dear 
brethren, it was there from before the foun- 
dation of the world, Ah, s;iys one, this 
is election. Well, call it what you may, 
and make the best of it you can; I contend 
jt is so. Well, says one perhaps, why is it 
so? Why if it had entered his mind at 
any time since, would not that much have 
been added to his perfection, and therefore 
make him a demi-God? And upqn the 
same grounds, if you say he will not save 
all he intended to save from all eternity, 
you make him the same. And o ! i, what 
folly this would be to make God like sin- 
ful man. Oh, what wickedness, to think 
that God can be changed like corruptible 
man, or that he can be frustrated in any ol 
his desires. Therefore, I cannot think 
money ever will be the means of saving one 
froul, or the want of it be the means of 
one sou I being lost that God intended to gave. 
What think you of this? 

The second reason why I am an Old 
School Baptist is, the New School Baptists 
1 think preach salvation by money and 
works together; and to believe this I can- 
not nor 1 will not; and to be any thing 
pise but an Old School Baptist. I cannot, 
neither do I want to be, neither do I in- 
tend to be, unless God compels me: and 
that 1 thinly never wi|l be unless the Bible 
js changed, and that God never wjll do, 
but man may. For they are trying hard 
now to do it. But dear brethren, I have 
got a good one and l want to keep it; for I 
think 1 love it, and am satisfied with it. 
Therefore, brethren, let us keep our good 
old Bibles, and not have them altered lest 
pur children lack the true word of God. 

I haye many more reasons for being an 
Old School Baptist, but as I want to leave 
room on my sheet for a few lines on anoth- 
er subject, 1 must leave them out. Now 
these lines I would be glad for brother 
Bennett to see. Sometime last winter I 
thought my paper had stopped coming 
andl wrote to him about it. Since that 
lime 1 have found it to come tolerable reg- 
ularly; but by neglect in the post master it 
was sent to another man as he said. The 

aause I do not know myself, but so it was, 
my papers were found in the office at last. 
There is one thing I know, at that time I 
was a member of a church where there were 
a good many members of the New School 
order, and I wrote a few lines to brother 
Bennett, and the mogt of them came out 
in his paper and raised a monstrous fuss 
with the missionary part ofthe church, or a 
part of them at least. But, thank God, \ 
am cjear of them at present, and I never 
want to get in such a mess as some of them 
are again. But, as brother Lawrence, ha<? 
it; I was found in had company and I had 
to bear my part ofthe reproach; but I de- 
served it for being found there, if nothing 
else. I ought to have got clear of them 
some time ago, but I had -some reasons for 
not doing so; but as I have said above, I 
am clear of them now and I want to keep so. 


Pickens county, Alabama, 
Maijkilh, IS 39. 

Bukthken Editors: I am happy and 
thankful for the privilege I have of ad- 
dressing so many brethren at the same time. 
I am much pleased with our method of cor- 
respondence. I find it almost unnecessa- 
ry for me to say much on things of a gene- 
ral nature — r what I mean by the word ge- 
neral is, the gospel in its true sense — a$ 
there are st mmy precious brethren wri- 
ting so edifying to the true church. I am 
getting old, and much of my time is enga- 
ged'in other duties. I still neglect writing. 

There is a personal duty 1 owe brother 
Rudolph Rorer, to answer I7 is request. I 
now say, my brother, and use your lan- 
guage, I hope we are lipid red spirits, and 
I hope, my brother in the gospel, that the 
blessed Lord will continue to give you 
strength by his spirit to use his sword, and 
that he may keep you shod with the prepa- 
ration of the gospel of peace. For I veri- 
ly believe your weapons of warfare are not 
carnal, but they are mighty through God to 
the pulling down the strongholds of the 
Sneaks. And as it regards our kindred 
according to the flesh, there is, some doubt 
of my being the person you anticipated. 
My father emigrated from Franklin coun- 
ty, Pennsylvania, to South Carolina, and 
his name was David Cook, and my grandr 
father's name was Joseph Cook. 

I tell you how I feel about writing in the 
Primitive — just like I feel when I meet 



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with brethren in the ministry at places of j men will not. In this short history of th 

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preaching — when I have fellowship foi 
their faith and doctrine, 1 had rather th •. 
would preach and I be silent. But if tl 
will not, [ will, God being my helper. 

If I am not deceived, brethren, I have 
had abundant reason to n joi.ci !o hear bre- 
thren tall: al! over the United Slates; and 
they all sneak the same thing, not only in 
their experience 6l gr bi . ti Irials 

and persecutions are the fame. Tu • 
wh »t.a concert of action the?e is among die 
effort, or other people, as ] leal] hem. 

Well may our blessed Lord say, who knew 
al! tilings, that that which is horn 
flesh is flesh. These olhi r] op! are 
ing out with us for an approved ministry, 
and after reciting a i n any sciences 
that he must study, the) i a) il : - hij 
necessar) he shall study mathematics. Had 
you not as soon be called upon to measure 
n gallon of water with a yar< . or -a 

yard of linen with a quart pot, as to be com 
pelled lo picach a mathematical sermon? 
Surely I would. And they tejl us' abun- 
dantly' in their preaching,, that' all th pi - 
ties were learned men. 1 heard one say, that 
Christ chose Peter, an-d James, and John to 
be apostles throe years before he comrriis 
gioned them, that they might and did goto 


Accept my best love. 

WM. H. COOl 

Baptists, we see the continued accomplish? 
at of one of Christ's promised predic- 
tions, which is in Matt. 1G, IS: The galea 
of hell shall not prevail against the church. 
That denomination of Christians which are 
ci Hi d Baptists, are the only known society 
of professing Christians against which sa- 
tan hath not prevailed, either in point of 
doctrine or discipline, or both This 
church, or old and inveterate heresy as sa- 
I m would cal| it, he acknowledges by the 
mouth of his servants the Romanists, that 
he could never subdue. It is true, sat.in 
ained many of his legions to it, as he did 
many false brethren to the disciples in the 
days of the apostles; but he hath never, no, 
not for an hour, prevailed upon this ancient 
and Primitive church to give up the doc- 
trines of grace* -or the administrations of 
the ordinances, as Christ delivered them to 
his people. That winch she first received 
she still holds fast, and will. In ail the 
history of the church, we read of no other 
body of professing Christians after which 
satan hath cast a conliuual flood of waters; 
but hitherto, the earth hath helped the wo- 
und i ! flo.od of persecution hath not 
prevailed. Satan's future efforts will be 
equally without eflei I 

So no more at present, but remain yours 

in hov- • ' ' si.ity. 



Tennessee, Blount county, ? 
May 20th, 18,39. $ 
Dear bbetiireji'Ebit.ors: 1 have been 

reading o ire of your . i cal Pri- 

mitive Baptist. 1 like it so well that I 
want you to send me some of them. For 
there are a people among us, that have cau- 
sed more distress in the churches than they 
ever will get forgiveness for. These peo- 
ple are the ones that have been culled 
Sneaks, but they call themselves missiona- 
ries. But I would call them missionaries 
of the devil, for on the 11th of ibis instant 
there were thirteen members turned out of 
a church that was about sixty stropg, some 
for lying against the whole church, some 
for conspiracy to break up' the church,. 
And they took the thirteen that were turn- 
ed out, and made the ihurch out of them. 
All the power, craft and cruelty of the 
wicked, though practiced for nearly oh : 
thousand eight hundred years have 
been able to prevail against the Baptists; 
then surely the misguided zeal of these 


Monroe county, Mississippi, } 
, May ith, 1839.. $ 
Beau Brethren: 1 now lift my pen to 
address you a few lines to inform you, that 
I have been taking your paper the Primi- 
tive Baptist for 'the last eight months, and 
I am very well pleased with the doctrine 
it carries with it; it being to me a source 
of comfort to find there are yet a reserved 
number in our United States, that are earn- 
estly contending for the faith once deliver- 
ed lo the saints. 

I am living in the bounds of the Buthi- 
hatchee Association, and have been wuit- 
'wr for some- of my brethren, to let you 
know something of the times and seasons 
which we have experienced; but seeing no 
communication in the Prim., I thought I 
would let you hear from us also. 

Dear brethren, we have for the last 
three years been living amongst the smoke 
of the pit; but at our last anniversary, 
which convened at jjbenczer, Monro- 


county, Mis?., on I he 12th Oct. 1838, and 
days following, We dismissed six of Ihose 
churches from whence came the advocates 
for the seeds of discoid, or benevolent in- 
stitutions, falsely so called, and entered 
our protest agairist ail Associations who 
advocate the above institutions. 

Brethren. I see in the Primitive, that 
jhe yiexys of brethren are< commonplace 
things. I will give you some of my scat* 
teriiig thought.*! You will find in the 5th 
ch. of.Zac'h. lie saw in vision a fiying Bfoll, 
which the angel said is the curse that go- 
eih. fVrtn over the fare hi the Whole ea'rili. 
Eze. 2nd ch, 9 and' 10 verses: Arid He 
spread it before me, and it was written 
witnio and without, and there was Written 
therein, lamentations, and mourning, and 
woe. He also saw an Ephah go forth, and 
the angel said, this i,s their resemblance 
through all the earth. Kc also saw a tal- 
en't of lead lifted up, and was told, this is 
n woman that sittc'.h in (he i rid of the 
Ephah, which is wickedness. This wo- 
man is seen again in Rev. 17 cli. un- 
der the name oi the great who've with her 
gulden cup in her hand, with whom the 
kings of the earth have committed fornica- 
tion, and the inhabitants of the earth have 
been made drunk wiih th'o wine of her for- 
nication — the false and pernicious doctrine, 
with its train of distress and perplexity 
throughout cur land .among the children of 
Zion. For wherever'tke modern mission- 
isls with their train of institutions go, 
which is their resemblance (the 1 Roll or 
curse,) there is heard in the churches, lam- 
entations, mourning and woe; because of 
the multitude of the whoredoms of the 
weft-favored harlot, irfe mistress of witch- 
crafts, that sell nations through her whore- 
doms, and fafmU'ies through her witch- 
crafts. Nah. 3 ch. and 4 v. Thou hast 
multiplied thy merchants, v. 16. 

Brethren, see them multiplying their 
numbers, in money beggars, tract venders, 
subscription runners, and membership sel- 
lers. But to the text. Then lifted I up 
mine eyes, and looked, and behold, there 
came out two women out of the Ephah, and 
the wind was in their wings, (for they had 
wings like the wings of a stork.) Wee to 
the land, shadowing with wings, that send- 
eth ambassadors by the sea, &c. Isa. 18 eh. 
And they lifted up the Ephah between the 
eaVth and the heaven, to curry it is the 
land of Shinar. 

Now, brethren, the land of Shinar was 
the place where Nimrod, the son of Gush, 

the son of Ham, the second son of Noe, 
began his kingdom; there we find Babel, 
the original of Babylon, the old mother of 
harlots. While she, the woman was in 
the Ephah, where God had given her, her 
bounds, she brought forth one of her harlot 
daughters. Thus we see they two women' 
lirtg '6 tit when there was but one; pulim 
But we see from 1st Thes. 2:'ul cli. 6 and 
7 v., that the mystery of iniquity was al- 
ready working: And now 3-0 know what 
wi-thKoMelh, that he might ho revealed in 
his time. But w"hen the let was taken a- 
way, we sec them sending their missiona- 
ries or mercenaries, which are hirelings 
and tlie wind or spirit, is in their wings, 
crying peace, peace, where there is no 
peace. But like the leaven of malice, fer- 
menting among the churches, rending 
asUnder brethren that have often taken 
sweet counsel together; And when they 
are opposed they cry out, forbear, forbear: 
wiilie they are propagating that corrupt 
Stuff, Paul's spiritual wickedness in high 
places, and Daniel's abomination that ma- 
Ice'tb desolate, standing in the holy place. 
VV'oe unto them, for they have cone in the 

way of '■■ 

ran greedily after the 

error of Balaam for reward. Jude,ll!h. 

In them I sec tl bird's of the air spoken 
of in the parable of the mustard seed, Mat. 
H ch., which I understand to be the mili- 
tant kingdom or church of God; and the 
birds of the air in my judgment, are those 
money hunters and office seekers which 
come like loGUsts out of the smoke of the 
pit, (the theological schools.) And they 
are running to and fro, and you will see 
them lodging among the branches, (chur- 
ches;) and if a prospect of fruit or money 
appears, they will lodge there for awhile; 
but if not, they will soar aloof like every 
oilier unclean bird, with its eyes looking 
downward. And wherever they seethe 
carcase, of money, you will see them gath- 
ering; caring not, for the flock, but for the 
(Teece. : 

Dear brethren, I have nearly filled my 
sheet in some sort, and must close. Jesus 
says to his little ones: Fear not, little flock, 
for it is your Fathers good pleasure to give 
you the kingdom — which is iri righteous- 
ness, and peace, and joy in the Holy 
Ghost. Brethren, standfast in the liberty 
wherewith Christ hath made you free, and 
be not entangled again with the yoke of 

Yours in gospel bonds. 




Georgia, Randolph county, ~) 
May 28th, 1S39. \ 

Brethren Editors: I again have taken 
iny pen in hand lo let you hear from me, 
as it has been sometime since I wrote to 
you. But I have nothing of a very inte- 
resting nature to communicate. The sea- 
sons are dry and dull, Zion seems to be lan- 
guishing. I have many hard b.ittlcs to 
right, such appear to be wars without aiid 
wars Within. 

Your paper is doing much good in this 
section. 1 have a request to make to my 
old beloved brother Lawrence, and those 
of my brethren in this country have 
the same request to him; that is, I wish 
him to give his views on the \, 2, 3, 4, 5, 
6 seals, and then on the opening of the 7th 
seal. Revelations, 6th, 7ih, and 8th chap. 
And whether the desolation of lime will 
lake place at the opening or closing of the 
sixth seal or trumpet whichever, or at the 
Opening or closing of the 7lh seal, or sound 
Of the trumpet. 

You will please give brother Lawrence 
my best compliments, with my request 
together with a great many other good arid 
precious brethren of my acquaintance.' 
Nothing more at present. Yours in lo^e. 

Georgia, TalboJ county, i 
May 20th, 1S39. 5 

Bear Brethren: I again write a few 
lines for the little despised paper the Prim- 
itive Baptist, in order to send on the remit- 
tance for the subscribers for whom I wrote 
a short time since, and also having a few 
more. And truly, there are many heart- 
cheering truths communicated through the 
columns of that little paper. 

And, brethren, the Spirit spcaketh ex- 
pressly, that in the latter days some shall 
depart from the faith, giving heed to sedu- 
cing spirits and doctrines of devils, and de- 
part from the faith; (not from a faith.) 
We understand from the expression of the 
Spirit, that the time has come in which 
this was to be done; latter days, toward 
the latter part of the third dispensation or 
gospel day, in which the modern divines 
should arise, speaking perverse things, to 
draw away disciples after them. It is evi- 
dent, that these men have arisen, for they 
have departed ftom the faith, not only that 
which they professed to believe when they 
joined the church; but have departed from 
the faith of the gospel, and are teaching 
for doctrines the commandments of men. 

.nd saying that the millennial glory fins ap- 
peared in the world; and that in conse- 
quence of which, there should be laws pas- 
sed to put the accursed stuff ardent spirits 
out of the country. 

Now that there are many bad acts com- 
mitted by men when under the influence 
of spirits is certain, but that the liquor was 
not the cause is also evident, for out of the 
abundance of the heart the mouth speak- 
eth; and make the tree good; and the fruit 
good, &.c. And not dnly so, but run the 
principle Out, and abolishing would be this 
result, not only of spirits, but of every oth- 
er thing in which mortal man bad to deal,' 
yea, even generation itself, for there are not 
only in that C3Se many infants brought in- 
to the world, who are incident to all those 
things, but without an eye to the arrange- 
ment of heaven, an immortal soul exposed 
to the wrath of God. 

1 cl )se by saying, that the people should 
have an eye upon these things, and may 
God sjive them understanding is the pray- 
er of "vours. JOHN fV. TURNER: 

Tennessee, Madison county, 
May 2Zd, 1839. 

Dear Edii-ors: As agent for your pa 
per, the Primitive Baptist, it becomes my 
duty to write and inform you, that there 
is yet a call for one more of your valuable 
papers, who wishes to read them. I be- 
lieve the subscribers have got their papers 
regular, and are pleased with the matter 
they contain. And as to my own part 
I dan say, it is very consoling to me to 
read from so many able writers from differ- 
ent States thro' the Primitive, which all 
write the same, as all taught by the Same 
Spirit, &c. 

1 am yours with much esteem, and re- 
main as 1 am. AARON TJSON. 

Marietta, Cobb connty, Ga 
May 281 ti, 1839. 
Dear brethren Editors: With plea 
sure I lake my pen in hand to inform you 
that, I have had the pleasure of reading 
one of your papers recently and have con- 
cluded to write on to you in order to 
let you know that I have made up a com- 
pany of the Old School brethren in this 
county that wish to read your paper, as 
we have a hard row lo weed with the 
missionaries and Armenians in this vil- 
lage, and wish all the information that we 
can get in connexion with the scriptures. 
We have had a serious difficulty in. our 



church last conference, which I expect 
to fijive you a full detail of in a short time. 
I am vours with respect, &c. 


Manchester, Clay county, Kentucky, ~) 
May 8th, 1S39. 5 
Dear Brethren: I take (he liberty to 
inform you, that 1 have lead some of 
your papers called the Primitive Bap- 
tist, and was well pleased with' what I 
read. I have been an eye witness to the 
baneful influence of the money craft for 
some years past iri the Baptist connex- 
ion. It appears that the daughters of 
the great \vhore of Babylon have presen- 
ted themselves before us, beautifully ador- 
ned with fair apparel and wealing veils 
tinged with disinterested benevolence so 
called, and bordered with large capitals of 
gudleaf in the following words, Charity, 
Charily, Missionary Society, Temperance 
Society, Theological Socieiy, Tract Socie- 
ty, Emanuel School Society; Sunday School 
Society, Baptist Convention Society. 
More money, without money we shall 
all die and the poor heathen will never 
be converted. More money, help, 
help, we must have money. Negroes 
help, seil your brooms. Widows help, 
knit stockings, sell them, help con- 
vert sinners. Young ladies, help use 
your needle, we want' money, we must 
hire more preachers or the heathen will 
be lost. You niggardly Baptists, help us 
and you shall be our brethren indeed; 
but if you will not, we will call you Iron 
Jackets, Anlinomians, and you shall not 
have a single crown. Come, open your 
hearts ' and give us ten dollars, and you 
shall be auxiliaries to all the societies our 
great mother can invent. We do not 
want to leave you, some of you have 
money and we want it; you know if we 
have money we can hire even the law- 
- yers to quit the bar and go and preach y 
and they can get the praise even of the 
great and noble^ and we can carry out- 
point to a fraction. We must have 
money, Charity, Charity, &c; 

Brethren, the inscription that 1 think 
I have read on the border oi the above 
veil explains to me, that it is of satan. 
He observed to our Saviour: All these 
things will I give thee, if thou will fall 
down and worship me. Matthew, 4th & 
9lh. But he ordered satan to get hence, 
and he left him. When the kingdoms 
of this world and the glory of them are 

offered to one of the Lord's preachers, I 
have no hesitation in believing he will 
find grace sufficient to enable him to say^ 
get thou hence, satan. The SavioUr let 
his servant know, the foxes have holes 
and the birds of the air have ne'Sts, but 
he had no where to lay his head; as good 
as to sayj you must forsake all if you 
follow nie. 

No man should be ordained to the 
ministry except he is willing to trust iri 
the promise of God where ever he may 
send him, otherwise he is compared to a 
barking dog and the Lord does hot Send 
him and has siiidj he shall not profit hid 
people. The institutions of the day r are 
pleasing to the taste of corrupt men, but 
they are wild gourds to the children of 
God. Dear brethren, let us call upoti 
the Lord for gracs to kill the p'oison^ 
so that we may eat and hot die, &c. 

I am yours in Christian bonds. 


*jm.mr PMBraaj— urn 

t'OR the Primitive baptisti 

North Carolina. — .1. Biggs, Sen. Williamstdn 
R. M. G. Moore, Germantoii. W. W. Mizell, Ply- 
mouth. Jaribb Swindell} WdsMngiimt James Sou- 
therland, Warrenton. Alfred Partin. Raleigh. 
Charles Mason, Roxboro' . James Wilder, An- 
derson's Store. B'enj. Bynum, Speight's Bridge. H. 
Avera, Acerasboro' . Parham Pucketi Richlands. 
John II. Keneday, Chalk Level. Burwell Tem- 
ple, Wake county. Obadiah SoWell, Rogers' P. 0. 
Gea-.-W. McNeely, Leaksville: Wmi H. Vahn, 
Long Creek Bridge. Thomas Bagley, Smithfield 
Stephen Rogers, Holly Spring. James H. Sasser, 
Waynesboro' . John Fruit, Sandy Creek. L. B. 
Bennett, Heathville. William J.Roberts, Buffalo 
Hill, Alfred Ellis, Straban'e; Cor's Canaday, 
Carterettsville, William Welch, Abbott's Creeki 
J. Lamb, Camden C, H. Allen Taylor, Juni 
Rocky Mount. At B. Bains, Jr. Stanhope. C.T. 
Sawyer, Powell's Point. Isaac Tillery, Lapland. 

South Carolina. — Wm. Hardy, Saluda Will, 
James Hembree, Sen. Anderson C. H. Charles 
Carter, Cambridge. B. Lawrence, Effingham, 
James Buiris, Sen. Bold Spring. William S. 
Shaw, Rock Mills. Levi Lee, Rlackville. An- 
drew Westmoreland, Cushvillc. James Ji Kirk- 
land, Four Mile Branch. 

Georgia. — William Moseley, Bear Cr^ek. Al- 
len Cleveland, McDonough. John McKenney, For- 
syth. Anthony Holloway, Lagrange. P. M.Cal- 
houn, Knoxvilk. J. M. Rockmore, Mountain Creek, 
R. Reese, Eutonton. Tho's Amis, Lexington. Jona. 
Nte'elj Macon, Charles P. Hansford, Union Hill. 
John W. Turner, Pleasant Hill. Joshua Bowdoin, 
Adairsville. R.Tol er, Upatoie. Clark Jackson, Fort 
Gaines. John Gayden* Franklin. John S. Keith, 
Luthersville. . P. H. Edwards, Georgetown. Wm. 
Trice, T/wnastoit. W r m. Bowden, Union Valley. 
Ezra McCrary, Warrenton. Wiley Pearce, Cairo. 
! G. W. Holificld, Vernon, B. Pace, Clean Town. 



Lewis Pfefiock, CajswVJ i hal D. Whatley, 

iiarneaAUei Alex. Garden and Thomas (.!, Trii i 
A/yu»/ Monte. Elias 0. Uaw Lhorn S, ■ 
J. G. Wiairiruv! am, l/al/oca. V\ illiam A1 

Aim s. tfi 2 .■ ' Randolph Arnold, /..:/;- 

nicr's &/orc. Tho'ma's .'. FJazen i . Clin fan: 
taniail Stovall, .'l-iinl!;!. a. p, Caution, £!•«# ■ rj- 
iv//r. Jason Sr«vr, Indian S/priiigs. ,\ i ■■• n 

McJElvy, ,!///q.;.-v ,;:. ;, ; , | ; i; -. , , •_ 

William Garrett, ( 'oiton River, Jesse "■' i.o ■ 
Irj.uin1.on. Li onard Pratt, ''•' '■"■■ ' : ' ;' : n 
A. StfTHvan, />,-, ' .■'-. 1 I 
nan. Israel I [Vjnd •', iiji • ...... 

Chesuut ihorc. Win. Tippi t, ( ■■,, • - ■ A.il 

Simmons, Hickory G o$$> "'•'■■■■ iwhon, C.fej 
John- fieri ngton, IVe.lbor-iCsMiik, Jol 
dale, Pdrchitdla. James P. Ellis, -Pwm'lle, :- 
mate J? Sloan, Chcsriut h'U. Fretifi'h Hajrofanf, 
.itfieils. H eft ry -Barron, JaUkson, John Murray, 
Fart Valley. Jiosiah Gr-eslrami ''.*- E)aiiinl jj- 
Neel, Foivlton. John Apple w.hite, JVayncxb • 
J. 13. Morgan, J>.:, , , ' '■ rmiel Williams,, 

Fair F hi:/. Join Wayne", •".. '..".-•, Edmund 
Stewart, jfooiensvilk K, S.'Tle ■■■ Garrollton, 
AhnerTisra atfd 'Oavid Smithy C"»oZ Spring, Al- 
lison Spear. eVe? Shoals, Moses Daniel, iioe 
Moses II. Penman; Marietta. 

Alabama. — L. [). Mosj !y, ; '■ ■. ; . . A. Kea- 
fon, MeComeo. John Blaekstonc, J.« W. 

W. Carlisle, /■■.:• ■ ■.); -,■ Dance, ■ '• . " " 

Fr&rie. Wra. W. Walter, ! 
Gafford, & : e; ■• 7 Samuel Alcove, Snow. ? 
John G.Walker. A ? .7'., . |.>enry Williams* ■ 
iicfta. Samuel' Clay, Jifofc . ■ -.-. John P. %>(• 
vett, Claiborne, Eli;- Daniel, '.'■■•■ F////, 
John Bonds, dSnton, D id . isten Pmghton. 
Adam MoGreSfy, Brooklyn. , ; .'■ : .,■■■.'■. 

so/;. David Jacks, A..//- Mgi-Uot, Shi -.,■] VV. 
Harris, Vicuna. John iVfirtQueen, ■ ■ ■■ / 
William Taliey', 3-J - ■ . .; [|e'i 

ring,' Claytim. (J, Vv. .1 ■■: iamuel 

Ci Jbhfoson, Fhas&mt G,->v,. William I 
■Etiutsvittc. \\ iliiam H: Co hensvill 

"Seaborn Hamrick, PlantermiUe. William 
tor,, Flu ft Port. Jafriei " •, bayton. Wm. 

Hyf&e, GamesVilk, Ri fs ianiel, < ■ !., An- 

derson W. Billiard, Tus^e^ec. F 
Gastori\ Z.Johns, K« Eli Mclionald, fi 
«//«. A. T\Jiirhcll. Carters J/i ! i. William Pow- 
ell, Kwngswlle. James Hay, J' Taeooca, Silas 
fMonk, jfforse <S7;oe 2'r.'i,-' : II, Lackey, Slw 
James F. Watson, Mbeville, David p SPR>.ad\ve!l 
and R.W. Carlisle, Maun! Hickory. Allen Kc 
Jb-gfisi Joseph)!. Kolloway, 7/«~k Greenx Luke 
R. Simmons, Trow. Jesse Lee, Farmerc. 
William S. Armstrong, Louisville. Mark Porte 

Tennessee.— A. V. FarrrfrtJP^. i :•. j\i , 

H. Sellers, 7'<-/;. Mile.. Win. Patrick, Pr:>r . 
Miea'l Burkhaller. Ci ksvitl 
Smith's X Roads. W.E.Pi , w , ; r,, 

Compton, Somej i /■ < 
Jro« Works. Asa Newport 
Mauklen.JVm.Bum?. A.Birrro ,. Wm, 

Groom, .jwekson. Damlel 
mons Sanders, - r /-- : ; ■•'' : 

Lexington, Sion Das^, Three Forks, John W.. 
Springer, Sugar Creek. Sihittli 
Creel, Williaui Si Smitli. Winchester. 1, 
Simmons. Calhoun. Tliomas Hil 
|>, E. Doutiiit. Lynchburg, C^T.EchoIs, ' 

Aaron Tistm, MaJtfn. Levi 'KMclaitd, TVaveyiy 
Abriet Steed; faptieoilki Heary Randoljdi, 
"•" ; .v' i/fe, Pleasant $, Witt, '-V /, ', ^ ^c|^s. 
' ' oop&f, Unionville. GeprgB Turner. Waverty' 
Mil liaei Branson Cc in '•- vatmah . \], [\ u l - 

1 «"?}'•) %azcl.Grcen.. YVilfiam McBte, ■:'.>' J'wtvi 

j.Mts iJKii ■ [.-Jesse Battle, M,T., .. «,,./„„. 
Richmond Baineg, Duilville. ■ Wdr^iato' Vann 

'"' "f " '" :i " : ' Pbl .'. /;.■'-'•:■ . ,ir ;i ,-Vpet' 

'•y, '■'"'• Wijliaip/Hudeileston. Tpomtatm. I\-i- 

' "■ " ;; ' ;,> ' Jon,al:h m D. Qaini (f-'i- 

■■ * • - gTM. Charles 

j, Gotton i [Pert, 

■ '' : ■ ' ■ •■ na iff, CAA-aG/ctr, Da- 

.;.■;>'■ -.-/ / / v^?. 

I ujsiANA,— Peter Banhston,' Mm-biityvilU,— 
a as 1 axtou, Greensboro'. Uriah Steveua, 

6A-';; e. 

lit-^CaJ fh Newport, Sp'rin^/ie/d. Joei 
Fergy son /q :feo;»-. 

ti,USQi8.-rRiehard RL Newji«rt, (??•«?? dj^aw. 
Jam - Marshy 11,] '•<'<"'-■ 

■ si ' S .—Pi te'i f ll ■ an i ew -A,; m uw/, f 
saao W. i;. nm m, Gallatin, Zacharfali McCldrS;, 

Oram. — loseph H. Flint, I3e -/ i//on. R. A. Mor- 
ton, Fttlton. Jo,, i ] [o es, Gprmanl >■_. 
IvKrrre.;. v.— lona. H. Parker, Sa]em. 
ViaraNU.-^jv'emuel C. Gilbert, SydnorjvUle 
f <^' : ' , ■ Store. Jehn-Ciark, Fee, 

'■ ; " ; ' " irrison, LfeningsviUe. Wni. 

W. Wjii.Aijj ?;;/;-,. Joseph H. Eanes, CaWrm&i. 
William t;nr.;;, Halifaas Ci if, On^B W. ;~air- 
Jesse L.afl-Jiftr(T, P^rer.-V 
Uishi-ou^h, <! ■•,.'■..■.','! lc. Wilson Daveu- 
poit, White Hoti - \ 

: rn l;— glli'ert Be^-he, Alexandria. 
Pi.:NVsvT.vATfr.\.-- Hi 2i ';:.:!, West, &«/A ffirf. 
'' di Rubles, 0i«?j 2^-el, Npthan Everitt, 

Wis o Per.— M. W; Dawjall, Blue lkver. 


Sajnuel Moore, 
Thomas C. Trice, 
Alex. Garden, 
J. G. Jackson, 

Wm. Harrcll, 
John Biaokstone, 


Moses Daniel, $?■ 
Ely Porter, 
Wra. H. Cook, 
P. H. Edwards, 
Henry Dance, 
David Buster, 
Aaron Tisoh, 







*0f this sum, $3 did not reach us. 

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Printed and Published by George Iloivard, 


"eomt out of Wttv, ntg people." 

VOL. 4. 

SATURDAY, JULY 13, 1839. 

No. 13. 



Pickens county, .Alabama, 
Sprit, 1839. 
Dear Brethren: I envelope a s-heet of 
paper, nearly filled, which our Associa- 
tion, to wit, Pilgrim's Rest, wish put in 
the Primitive as soon as possible. 


Alabama, April, 1839. 
Whereas, we, Old School Baptists of 
the Pilgrim's Rest Association, having 
seen a Minute of the Union Association, 
bearing date from the 21st to the 24th of 
September, 183S, in which we see a publi- 
cation stating that the Rev. Henry Petty, 
stands excluded from the church to which 
he belongs. Now be it known, that we 
the churches, to wit, Pilgrim's Rest, Beth- 
any, Rehoboth, and Bethlehem, have had 
for a considerable time, the pastoral ser- 
vice, and yet continue to have the labors 
of our worthy and much esteemed brother 
Henry Petty; and his character as a man, 
citizen, and a minister of the gospel, stands 
high and unimpeached. In truth, so far as 
has come to our knowledge, and as it re- 
gards the trial said to be had, and purport- 
ing to be the act of the Pilgrim's Rest 
church, was in the following manner: 
That the Union Association became divi- 
ded in consequence of the missionary, Bi- 
ble, tract, and other unscriptural societies. 
And in said Association, the anti-mission- 
aries were in the majority, and formed a 
new Association called the Pilgrim's Rest 
Association; and in order to avoid further 
difficulties, passed a resolution, and ad vised 

the churches to dismiss by letter from the 
respective churches, all members favorable 
to missionary measures. And the Pil- 
grim's Rest church having a large majori- 
ty, of what are commonly called Old School 
Baptists, tendered letters of dismission lo 
all members favorable to said measures; 
which they utterly refused to receive. 

About this time those members, that 
stood opposed to the resolnlion of the Pil- 
grim's Rest Association, exhibited a charge 
in the Pilgrim's Rest church, against our 
esteemed and much beloved brother Hen- 
ry Petty, for the crime of drunkenness. 
And the said church maturely examined 
the matter, and believing it to be intended 
to prostrate the influence that the said Hen- 
ry Petty had and might have against their 
Delilah of missions, the said Pilgrim's Rest 
church excluded said charge. The oppo- 
sing minority being unreconciled with the 
decision of the church went off, and form- 
ed themselves into a body, and called them- 
selves the Pilgrim's Rest church: and then 
and there excluded (as their Minutes say,) 
the said Henry Petty. 

And now we would appeal, to any in an 
enlightened community, and much more to 
the orthodox Baptist churches in the Uni- 
ted States, to know if a measure of this 
kind is any where precedented in the his- 
tory of the Baptists, that any member of 
the most retired station in life, much less 
an old worthy soldier of the cross, who 
has been laboring in the vineyard of his 
master for near thirty years, and as far as 
we know, or has come to our knowledge, 
has kept his moral and ministerial garment 
unspotted, and is received and esteemed 
among us, as a man of God? We answer, 
not; that in no history of the Baptists has 
such a course been pursued, that a minori- 
ty of a church should raise an unfounded 



charge, after it had once been thrown out 
by a large majority, against an old worthy 
soldier of the cross, and on the evidence of 
men, who to our positive knowledge (or a 
part of them,) travelled with our esteemed 
brother, the same trip, their Minutes pur- 
ports he was intoxicated, and after return- 
ing manifested a newness of love towards 
our brother, for his Christian zeal and god- 
ly walk. 

And as before remarked, when said mi- 
nority formed themselves into a church, 
(as they please to call it,) they raised the 
charge and the very same evidence that 
once proved him clear, now comes boldly 
to testify to the fact of the charge. ■ Breth- 
ren, shocking! how absurd! We believe 
that the plain truth of the malter is this: 
had our esteemed brother Henry Petty, 
been in favor of missions, and departed 
from the word of God to amalgamate 
church and world together, we would nev- 
er have heard about intoxication; but as 
before remarked, it was done to spoil hisuse- 
fulness and stigmatize his characier abroad. 

And whereas, we see again in said Min- 
ute, a resolve in these words: 

"Resolved, that those brethren rent off from us 
because we would not violate our constitution, so 
far as to receive as delegates Jeremiah Pearsall 
and his colleagues, who had been previously ex- 
cluded from Friendship church." 

Here we see according to a resolve, in 
the same Minute, they would have another 
watchman on the walls of Zion excluded, 
to wit, our esteemed brother Jeremiah 
Pears,\II. In like manner our beloved bro- 
ther Jeremiah Pearsall, is and has been at- 
tending four respectable churches, of the 
Old School order, and his walk and labors 
bespeak his character as a minister and 
man of God, and he is heartily received 
among us as such. And as to his being 
excluded from Friendship church, it is un- 
founded and groundless, and not the least 
shadow of truth attending it. And it was 
in this manner: previous to the Associa- 
tion this church, to wit, Friendship, in 
consequence or for the same cause already 
stated in the other case, became divided; 
the anti-missionaries were in the majority. 
The efforlists being in the minority, sought 
out an opportunity, by using very unjust 
measures, and raised or col reeled a sort of 
tribunal, which they called Friendship 
church, and then and there excluded our 
worthy brother, (as their Minutes say.) 
Candid reader, we would again appeal to 
moral order, let alone what wc deem a gos- 

pel tribunal to know, where a measure ot 
this kind is precedentcd? We answer, no 
where. Therefore, in consequence of no 
such measures, being preredented in the! 
scriptures of truih, We, Old School Bap- 
tists could not receive the minority of said 
church in the Association, hence a division 1 
was the result. 

Now, to all whom it may concern* we* 
the Pilgrim's Rest Association, recom- 
mend our much esteemed and beloved 
brethren, Herrry Petty and Jeremiah Pear- 
sall, to any church or churches, of the Old 
Stamp* wherever it may please God in his 
providence to cast their lot, as faithful and 
worthy soldiers of the cross, and deserving 
the love and faithful acceptation of all Bap- 
tists of Old School o.der, wherever they 
may be cast. And we feel it our duty* 
not to have passed such a spurious publica- 
tion, unnoticed. And it becomes us as 
brethren who are receiving the labors of 
our esteemed brethren, to say lo the world* 
that such publication is unfounded and ab- 
surd. This brings to our mind the old 
proverb: He who silently intends a crime, 
has all the guilt of the deed. 

We seen again in another resolve in the 
same Minute, these words: 

"That we deem both preachers and lay mem- 
bers of said faction as being in disorder, and not 
entitled to any privileges in our churches, until 
they return with suitable acknowledgments." 

We here see that the lay members, as 
well as worthy workmen, are charged as 
being in disorder. We have before in a 
faint manner given the cause of our sepa- 
ration, and other orthodox Baptists can 
determine, whether we ought to return 
with acknowledgement. But we conceive 
the cases rest precisely contrary, vice ver- 
sa, and had rather obey Ihe old words, 
and" be ye separate, where we can enjoy 
the privileges of church membership in 
peace and harmony. And in testimony of 
the above facts* we, the below churches* 
and by authority of Ihe same; authorize our 
respective clerks to sign their names res- 

Churches. Clerks. 

Rehoboth, Henry Harrison. 

Bethlehem, Juhn Bonds. 

Pilgrim's Rest, Stephen P. Doss. 

Bethany, S. W. Harris, 

Sarepta, Wm. Scarborough. 

Canaan, Saml. Clay. 

Friendship, J. B. McDonald. 

Five Mile, Henry Williams. 





Georgia, Monroe County, 
January 25th, 1S39. 
Beloved brethken in the Lord: 
Grace be unto you, and peace be multiplied 
from God the Father and from our Lord 
Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Fa- 
ther of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath 
blessed us with all spiritual blessings in 
heavenly places in Christ, having predesti- 
nated us unto the adoption, of children by 
'esus Christ to himself, according to the 
ood pleasure of his will, &c. 
Dear brethren, I have been laboring hard 
I day grubbing in my new ground, my 
oughts at the same time diligently sear- 
ing the scriptures; and I find it written, 
t what is how hath already been — so 
! re is nothing new under the sun. 1 
e just told you, that I have been grub- 
1 "■ in my new ground, and with the gos- 
] mattock I have been digging in the 
» otures, and you need not be surprised if 
] II you, that 1 have digged up a lying 
l Nonary spirit, or the depth of salan; 
v ch will prove to a demonstration, that 
v -h is now among men hath been in 
d gone by. God in the wisdom and 
ei omy of his grace, hath been pleased to 
c< nit unto his faithful servants diversi- 
ty of gifts; but all -these gifts emanate 
fr the one great fountain of wisdom. 
P;i says: Now there are diversities of 
gil but the same spirit; are differences 
of ninistration, but the same Lord; for 
to < is given by the same spirit, the 
wo; of wisdom; to another, the word of 
km edge by the same spirit; to another, 
fait to another, prophecy; to another, 
disr ing of spirits; to others, as minis- 
ters d stewards of the mysteries of god- 
line; to make known among the Gentiles 
the r ies of the glories of his grace, which 
is in irist. It is given to another, by 
the s e spirit to understand the mystery 
of in ity, mystery of Babylon, and also 
'to kn the depth of satan. 

So / candle light I now proceed to 
chalk t to you, first, some of the titles 
this n ster of the bottomless pit bears in 
script , for he is designated by varisus 
names. He is sometimes called, that, old 
serpen' le devil; and satan, dragon, luci- 
fer, pr e of darkness, beelzebub, prince 
of dev , &c. &c. This enemy of all 
rightco less is going about like a roaring 
lion sei ng whom he may devour, and in 
order tc >| rry out and effect his black deep- 

laid hellish designs, he has his clans among 
all characters and classes of the human fa- 
mily. The names of some of his clan I 
will give you also: false apostles, false tea- 
chers, deceivers, deceitful workers, lying 
spirits, dumb dogs, greedy dogs which can 
never have enough, lying dogs, sleeping 
dogs, slumbering dogs, dogs which Cannot 
bark, wolves in sheep's clothing, ravening 
wolves, sheep-devouring wolves, these arc 
prowling round the shepherds' tents seek- 
ing to devour some of the tender lambs of 
the flock of God. Beside the greedy dogs 
or sheep-devouring wolves, satan has a nu- 
merous train of lackiesj tessaboys, evil 
speakers, evil surmisers, haters, backbi- 
ters, with a host of little foxes; these little 
foxes he employs to spoil the vines and de- 
stroy the tender grapes of love and Union; 
yea, those sweet and heavenly ties that 
bind the children of God in one bundle. 
Satan often sends out these little foxes to 
set the children of God by the ears,' and 
too often is successful in his enterprise. 
These false apostles, teachers, ministers, 
and vine-spoiling little foxes, are to be 
known by their fruit, for they bear corrupt 
fruit, the product of an evil spirit. The 
old Book admonishes us, to believe not ev- 
ery spirit, but try the spirits whether thev 
be of God; because many false prophets are 
gone out into the World, and every spirit 
that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is 
come in the flesh is not of God, and this is 
that spirit of antichrist. 1 John, iv. 13. 
And this same spirit of antichrist now 
worketh in the children of disobedience, 
and that according to the workings of sa- 
tan, the prince of the power of the air. A- 
gain: Now the spirit speaketh expressly, 
(that is, the spirit of prophecy,) that in the 
latter times some shall depart from the 
faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and 
doctrines of devils, speaking lies in hy- 

So you see that the devils have doctrines 
and seducing spirits, and to speak lies is a 
devil doctrine. This I shall set down to 
the depth of satan. Bui I will give you 
another passage of sacred Writ: 2 Cor. xi. 
13: For such are false apostles, deceitful 
workers, transforming themselves into the 
apcslles of Christ. 14 v. And no marvel, 
for satan himself is transformed into an an- 
gel of light. 15 v. Therefore it is no great 
thing if his ministers also be transformed, 
as the ministers of righteousness. Whose 
coming is after the working of satan, with 
power and signs, and lying wonders, and 



with "all d6celvablencs3 and unrighteous- 
ness. 2 Thess. 11.0. 

So I have proved by scripture, that satan 
has his apostles, teachers, &c. ministers 
transformed likeunto the ministers of righ- 
teousness; and himself also is transformed 
into (or like unto) an angel of light, has his 
doctrines, shows signs, performs wonders. 
But you must remember, that they are ly- 
ing wonders, full of all subtilty, cunning 
craftiness, deception, and lying hypocrisy. 
One more text, dropt from the mouth of 
him that spake as never man spake. Head 
it. John, viii. 44: Ye are of your father 
the devil, and the lusts of your father ye 
will do. He was a murderer from the be- 
ginning, and abode not in the truth; be- 
cause there is no truth in him. When he 
speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own; for 
he is a liar and the father of it. So to mur- 
der and tell lies, and preach lies, for he is 
a preacher, all of which I will prove by 
scripture before I am done. Yes, sir, I 
will with the help of God prove him to be 
a preacher of ancient date, and is still prea- 
ching, trudging up and down in the earth, 
with his white dress (religion) on, with a 
Bible under his arm, in his pocket, or 
somewhere else about him; with benevo- 
lence on his tongue, speaks as smooth as 
oil and by good words and fair speeches 
deceives the hearts of the simple. I want 
you to understand, that satan in this garb, 
is transformed like unto an angel of light. 

Beloved brethren, my sheet is almost 
full, and I am just getting hold of the sub- 
ject in view. Consequently you will not 
be astonished if 1 bring forth twins while 
grubbing. The lime of night also admon- 
ishes me to stop. 

Grace be with all the dear saints is my 


February 4th, 1839. 

Hail, beloved brethren in the Lord of 
life and glory. By candle light 1 now re- 
sume the subject of probing the depth of 
satan, and digging up a lying missionary 
spirit or the spirit of antichrist. 

Dear brethren, 1 have no other apologies 
for my writing than this: For Zion's sake 
will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusa- 
lem's sake I will not rest. lsa. Ixii. 1. 1 
will answer also my part, 1 also will show 
mine opinion. For 1 am full of matter; the 
spirit within me constrained! inc. Behold, 
my belly is as wine which hath no vent; it 
js ready to burst like new bottles. 1 will 

speak, that I may be refreshed: I will open 
my lips and answer. Let me not, I pray 
you, accept any man's person, neither let 
me give flattering titles unto man. For I 
know not to give flattering titles; in so 
doing my Maker would soon take me 
away. Job. xxxii. 17 to 22. 

The cause of God and truth is dear and 
precious to my soul, and when I hear the 
cause of my master slanderously spoken of 
by nominal professors, carnal Israelites, 
and hypocritical mockers; and see truth, 
Bible truth, gospel truth, yes, God's eter- 
nal truth, fallen in the streets and high- 
ways, and trampled unceremoniously un- 
der the feet of men, I am constrained to 
speak and say some things on truth's side. 
And being slow of speech and of a stam- 
mering tongue, I use my pen as a channel 
of communicating with the dear children 
of God. My trust is in his name; I have 
no confidence in the flesh, nay, 1 hope that 
I am divested of self and self dependence. 
Neither do I look to the wisdom of the 
world to assist me in wielding the wea- 
pons of truth: For the world by wisdom 
know not God, yet it pleased God by the 
foolishness of preaching to save them that 
believe. Thus the poor stripling goes forth 
to the battle in the name and strength of 
the Lord God of the armies of Israel, being 
girt about with a plain simple shepherd's 
bag, and five smooth stones from the 
brook. In this plain and simple shep- 
herd's bag (New Testament) is carried the 
weapons of my spiritual warfare. 

I will now give you a text of scripture, 
which has greatly assisted me in probing 
the depth of satan. Rev. xi. 1: And there 
was given me a reed like unto a rod, and 
the angel stood, saying, Arise, measure the 
temple of God, and the altar, and them 
that worship therein. 2 v- But the court 
which is without the temple leave out, and 
measure it not. 

Dear brethren, whether God has desig- 
nated me to measure his temple, (church) 
altar, and them that worship therein, or 
not, is a question hard for me to solve. 
Yet I sometimes think that he has given 
his measuring reed unto me, and if so, it is 
not wrong for me to use it a little. You 
will recollect that, that reed was like unto 
a rod, but was not a rod. It was a measu- 
ring instrument given, (mark that, given, 
not sold,) unto the revelator John, to mea- 
sure the temple, and the worshippers. All 
them that worshipped in the temple he was 
commanded to measure with the measuring 



reed which God had given unto him. 
This unerring measuring reed I shall set 
down to he the New Testament, which is a 
precise measuring rule or reed. With this 
reed (New Testament) we are to measure 
the temple, and the altar, and the worship- 
pers. By this unerring measuring reed 
(New Testament) we can measure the 
Christian to a hair's hreadth, measure his 
faith and practice, find out whether he 
does all things after the pattern showed 
him in the measuring reed or not. And 
also measure, whether he holds the myste- 
ry of the faith in a pure conscience. By 
the same reed measure the hypocrite, and 
also find out, and probe the depth of satan. 

But to return to the subject, for I have 
wandered a good way off. You will recol- 
lect that I was telling you in my last, that 
satan was a preacher of ancient date, that he 
was a lying preacher and was the father of 
lies; and that his preachers, like their mas- 
ter or father, always preach lies. But no 
marvel at this, since they are of their fa- 
ther the devil, and the lusts of their father 
they will do. 

The first account we hear from satan in 
all the book of God, he was preaching lies 
to our old mother Eve. His preaching to 
her was in direct opposition to God's law 
and irrevocable decree; for the Lord God 
had created man in a primeral state of up- 
rightness, in his own image created he 
them, male and female — had given them a 
law, and informed him if he violated and 
broke the law, that the penalty was death. 
Read Gen. ii, 16, 17: And the Lord God 
commanded the man, saying, of every tree 
of the garden thou mayest freely eat, but of 
the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, 
thou shalt not eat of it, for in the day that 
thou ealest thereof thou shalt surely die. 
This was God's irrevocable law, which 
he gave unto Adam. And you see, if Ad- 
am broke that lav/, (which he did we shall 
presently show,) that the penalty was. 
death. Then it was that satan commenced 
his preaching career. Gen. iii. 1: Now 
the serpent (satan) was more subtle than 
any beast of the field which the Lord God 
had made: and he said unto the woman, 
yea, hath Cod said, ye shall eat- of ev- 
ery tree of the garden? 2 verse: And the 
woman said unto the serpent, we may eat 
of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 
verse: But of the fruit of the tree which is 
in the midst of the garden, God had said, 
ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch 
it, lest ye die. 4 verse: And the serpent 

(not yet tired of preaching) said unto the 
woman, ye shall not surely die: 5 verse; 
For God cloth know, that in the day ye eat 
thereof, then your eyes shall be opened: 
and ye shall be as gods, knowing good 
and evil. 

Thus satan prevailed with the woman, 
and she partook of the forbidden fruit and 
eat thereof, and gave unto her husband 
and he did eat also. Thus through satan's 
sublilty and lying preaching, man became 
a transgressor and violated the law of God, 
and died as God had said he should; and 
through his disobedience entailed sin on all 
his progeny. By the disobedience of one, 
many were made sinners — born under the 
curse of the law — are abiding in a state of 
death, I mean a spiritual death, for that is 
the death alluded to in the 2 chap. 16 verse 
Gen. For I understand spiritual death to 
be that awful state of ignorance, insensibi- 
lity, and disobedience which mankind are 
in by nature, and which exclude them 
from the favor and enjoyment of God. So 
you can sec the awful effect of this first ser- 
mon preached to Adam by old satan. He 
them implanted in man's heart lust, which 
I shall set down to be the pernicious, cor- 
ruptable seed, from whence sin sprang 
forth spontaneously. 

Our first parents disobeyed, becaine 
transgressors, in breaking the law; being 
drawn away and enticed by the enemy of 
all righteousness, who said unto the wo- 
man, ye shall not surely die, for God doth 
know that in the day ye eat thereof, then 
your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be 
as gods, knowing good and evil. Hence 
, arose in their breasts, a carnal, lustful de- 
' sire of aspiring greatness; being as gods, 
I possessing the wisdom of gods, &c. &c. 
! Thus was lust, for I understand the defini- 
tion of lust to mean a carnal, vehement de- 
sire, sensual concupiscence, &c. &c. 

Dear brethren, I am getting into deep wa- 
ter; but that God that saved a sinking Pe- 
ter, can bring the poor stripling safe thro' 
the deep waters. My trust is in his name, 
and should you, my brethren, see the 
youthful stripling sinking into error, reach 
out a hand and halp him. But to return. 
Satan engrafted into their heart a carnal, 
lustful desire of possessing themighty wis- 
dom of gods.. Hence through satan's ly- 
ing preaching they became impregnated 
with lust, and James speaking of lust says: 
When lust conceives it brings forth sin, 
and sin when it is finished bringeth forth 
death. Jam. 1. 15. Consequently men 



come inlo the world possessing a sinful na- 
ture, and are estranged from the womb, go 
astray, speaking lies as soon as thev he 
born; born under the frigid curse of the 
law, for what the lawsaith, it saith to them 
who are under the law, that every mouth 
may be slopped, and all the world become 
guilty before God. Rom. iii. 9. It then 
follows as a matter of course, that all man- 
kind are born sinners, undone sinner*, 
ruined sinners, wretched, and miserable 
sinners, by nature as well as practice. Not 
as Mr. Shehane, Editor of the Morning 
Watch, has it, for he says that mankind are 
not sinners by nature, and do not possess 
sinful natures, but their practices only arc 

Well, dear brethren, as I am wielding 
the two edged sword of truth, I will give 
you testimony, unquestionable testimony, 
that will prove to a demonstration that all 
men and women are born sinners. Read 
Rom. v. 12: By one man sin entered into 
the world, and death by sin, and so death 
passed upon all men for that all have sin- 
ned. 1 Cor. xv. 21: By one man's diso- 
bedience many were made sinners. Be- 
hold, (said David,) I was shnpen in ini- 
quity, and in sin did my mother conceive 
me. Thus I have showed, that we are 
shapen in iniquity, and conceived in sin, 
brought forth or born in sin. 

Again, Paul to the Enhesians, ii. 3, 
said: Among whom we aij had our con,- 
versation in times past, in the lusts of the 
flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh, and 
of the mind, and were by nalure, (mark 
that,) children of wrath- even as others. 
David again: The wicked are estranged 
from the womb, they go forth speaking 
lies as soon as they be born. Once more, 
to the Book: When the fulness of the 
time, God's foreknown, foreordained, and 
Preappointed time was come, he sent forth 
his Son, made of a woman, made under 
the law to redeem them that were under 
the law. So I shall set it clown a? a fact, 
that all the progeny of Adam are born un- 
der the law, and ate sinners, undone, ruin- 
ed, wretched and miserable sinners by na- 
ture. If they were not thus situated, were 
not sinners by nature, and born in a state of 
sinful nature under the law, why was 
Chri3t Jesus made under the law to redeem 
them that were under the law? Why did 
he shed his precious blood to atone for the 
gins of his people? Why did he offer him 
self a ransom for many? Why did he work 
out a complete and finished salvation for 

all the elect, paid their debt, died for their 
offences, and rose again for their justifica- 
tion? So 1 set it down as a tFuth, Bible 
truth, that all the family of Adam are sin- 
ners; and without the mercy of God, will 
live and die sinners, and will be turned in- 
to hell with all the nations that forget 

I could bring fifty passages of scripture 
to prove the doctrine of original sin, but 
time and space will not admit; neither is 
it necessary, for two or three witnesses is 
enough to prove any one point of doctrine, 
provided thev all agree, 

{to be continued.) 


Snow Hill, Wilcox county. Alabama, } 
May 13//;, 1S39. \ 

Brethren Editors: Having been an 
agent for the Primitive Baptist for near 
three years, I acknowledge I have been ne- 
glectful, owing to the scattered condition 
of the brethren for whom I am acting. 

I could write many things to you res- 
pecting the conduct of m^n in the South-* 
west, holding forih that they themselves 
are some great ones, Simon Magus like; 
but thank God, y^e have some that have 
been taught thatthey are but men, and do 
not pretend to praise God for what they 
themselves have done. But fearing that 
by so doing I might take up room in your 
valuable paper, and thereby exclude from 
your columns something much more edify- 
ing, therefore 1 conclude, praying that yon 
may be directed by God, and that, your pa- 
per may be a source of consolation to ma- 
ny more precious brethren. 


TO editors primitive baptist. 

Pittsylvania covnty, Va. 1 
April 1GM, 1«39. \ 
Brethren Editors: I now wish to set 
before you a few more" of Mr. Colbourth'a 
errors, but- not all; for my mind is so 
crowded with things that I think do more 
concern us at this time, so I will say to Mr. 
C. that lie was wrong when he said: The 
text that says, for the gifts and calling of 
God are without repentance, meant without 
repentance on the part of God, and not on 
the part of the creature — which is not so, 
Seethe 11 chap, of Romans and 29 verse, 
which reads thus; For the gifts and calling 



of God are without repentance, either on 
God's or creatine's part. So it can be 
said, they are without repentance, for they 
were given to the church before Adam was 
created, in covenant between the Father 
and his Son. So the church then was 
dead and could not repent, and God as 
God cannot repent; so it is without re- 
pentance on the part of man, as well as on 
the part of God. So you, sir, was wrong 
when you said, it only meant without re- 
pentance on God's part 

And you say that man must repent, or 
not be called; which is not the truth, for 
the gifts and the calling of God are to the 
children of men before the} 7 repent, and 
they are called before they repent. For 
you told us that all men were dead, and 
when they were brought to life they knew 
it. Now, sir, I want you to tell me how a 
dead man repents; they cannot, sir, so 
they must be quickened before they can 
repent; and every one that does repent is 
called to repentance, for it is written that 
the goodness of God leadeth men to re- 
pentance. And again; I have loved you 
with an everlasting love, therefore with 
loving kindness 1 have drawn you— the 
saints. And the reason why he draws you 
js, because he has loved you with an ever- 
lasting love, and not because you repent 
first. No, sir, for you cannot repent un- 
less ) r ou are drawn to it; for you are dead 
and must he brought to life by the quick- 
ening influence of the spirit of God, 

Again: It is written, we love him, God, 
because he God first loved us — the children 
of God. See the 4 chap, and 19 verse of 
first John. And this is the reason that he 
does call us without repentance, because he 
loved us withoutrepentar.ee. So it is not 
of him that wiileth, nor of him that run- 
neth, but of him that callelh. 

Again: Mr. C. told us, that every one 
of us could go out in the sunshine, and 
then the sun would shine on the greatest 
sinner as much as it would on the greatest 
saint; and just so, he said, it'was with the 
sun of righteousness — if you all go to him, 
he will shine upon you all. And then he 
made out, it was as easy to go to the sun of 
righteousness, as it was to go out into the 
sunshine; which is not so. John, 6 chap. 
44 verse, Jesus says himself; No man can 
come to me, except the Father which hath 
sent me draw him. Here you, my readers, 
may see, that Mr. C. has swerved from 
the truth again. And I will here say to 
Mr. C. that 1 do not believe any person 

that ever had been renewed by divine 
grace, would fly into the face of their Re- 
deemer and say, that all men could coma 
to him as easy as a man could go out of the 
house into the sunshine, when Jesus says: 
No man can come to me, except my Father 
draw him. 

Now, brethren, when I hear a man dis- 
pute the word of my Jesus, I do not want 
to know any thing meaner of any man than 
that; and Mr. C. said, all could go to Je- 
sus — and Jesus said, no man can come, &c. 
Now there is a lie out, and I believe Mr, 
C. (old it, for I would believe Jesus before 
all the Sneaks in this world. But again: I 
will ask Mr. C. how a dead man could go 
out into the sun shine? Now, sir, you 
know that you said, the whole human fami- 
ly were dead, or represented them so, 
which was the best part of your discourse; 
if it was true, and if I was you and did 
believe that all men by nature were dead 
in trespasses and sins, I would try next 
time to bring them to life before I would 
start them out of doors, or say they must 
have life before they can go; and then tell 
them that Jesus must give them life, or they 
will remain dead in sin. Bui perhaps you 
thought that all the congregation were 
dead, and you could tell them what you 
pleased and they could not find fault; for 
there is not much danger of the dead find- 
ing fault of the dead, but I hope this was 
not the case with your hearers that day. 
And I will say to you, that you had better 
feel the pulse of your congregation, before 
you tell your extravagant tales and swerve 
from the scriptures. So I will say, that I 
hope the Lord will turn you, and then you 
shall be turned. Nothing more on this 
wise, but will say, you may hear from me 
before long, if God will. 

Dear brethren, I have said much more 
on this subject than I expected, when I 
began. As ever vour friend and brother. 


Columbia county, Georgia, 
May 15, 1837. 
Dear Brethren: I am happy that I 
now have it in my power to inform you 
all, that we are yet tugging and scuffling 
for the sheep skin, teeth to teeth. And as 
we are in the midst of all the 'missionary 
wolfish institutions of the day, we can on- 
ly say: The sword of the Lord and of Gi- 
deon. But thanks be to the Lord, we have 



lately constituted two churches in Wnrren 
rounty, Georgia, on the Primitive faith, to 
wit, one near Newsom's. namely Harris's 
•Spring church, with an ordained preacher 
helonging to said church hy the name of 
brother William Abhott; and the other 
church is near the shoals of Ogeeche, name- 
ly, Sandy Grove, and brother Thaddeus 
Camp, an ordained preacher belonging to 
said church; and I myself, pastor of the 
Snow Hill church, in Richmond county, 
Georgia. And although the Snow Hill 
church is forty or fifty miles from the San- 
dy Grove church, and the other, Spring 
church, in between them, yet if the Lord 
will, we intend this fall to form an Associ- 
ation of these throe churches. 

And now, my dear brethren, the object 
that I have in view in sending you these 
lines is, not by way of boasting, God 
knows; but it is earnestly to solicit all 
your prayers to Almighty God, for these 
ihree poor little churches that God would 
be with us. For we learn from God's 
word, that where two on earth shall agree 
to esk any thing of the Lord, it shall be 
done for them. Brethren, let us all agree 
in this prayer. For Peter when in prison 
prayer was made to God for him, and he 
was delivered by the angel; and Paul call- 
ed on his brethren to piay for him; and E- 
lijah prayed and the rain was stayed and 
heaven shut, and he prayed again and the 
heavens gave rain 4 

Brethren, 1 hope I am in good earnest in 
craving your prayers. May God give you 
the spirit of prayer, is my prayer for you 

I wish you still to continue to send me j 
your paper, as it does refresh my spirits! 
to hear from my good brethren. Methinks 
sometimes our spirits converse together 
about the things of God. I must close by 
subscribing myself yours, in gospel love 
and bonds and afflictions and joy. 



Mabama, Lawrence county, ) 
May 11, 1839. $ 
Dear brethren Editors: It has been 
some time since I last wrote to you, and 
through the Primitive to my brethren, giv- 
ing the state of affairs of God's moral vine- 
yard, in this our section of country. We 
are si ill burthened down by the new 
schemes of the day, missionism, Camp- 
bcliism, priestcraft, &.c. &c. The mission- 

aries are I think losing ground, but they 
are putting forth all their energv; for they 
scarcely ever preach a sermon, but they re- 
vert to the necessity of raising funds for 
the benefit of the heathen missions, they 
sav, as per a clause in the Circular Letter 
of the Muscle Shoal Association: that the 
gospel be preached to every creature, is tho 
express command of our Lord, and to ac- 
complish which, human means must be 
made use of, as God's power is shortened 
and he requires human aid to assist him in 
his work. I deny that his power now ia 
any shorter than it was then, for he has 
told us lie must needs go away that the 
Comforter might come to reprove the 
world of righteousness and of judgment la 

As for the Campbellitcs, they are losing 
ground; among the orthodox professors of 
religion the confused ocean appears to sub- 
side, but they are gaining ground in the 
world. May God cause the scales of igno- 
rance to fall off their eyes, and that they 
might see that it is by the grace of God we 
are saved. 

The Lord is carrying on his work. We 
had a meeting in one of our adjoining coun- 
ties which lasted a week, and there were 
near forty that professed religion and still 
there were twonty or thirty that appeared 
to be mourning their sins, begging for 

1 continue to receive the Primitive, and 
it is a source of consolation to me that it is a 
workman that necdeth not be ashamed. 

As the great subject of missionary opera- 
tions has crept into our Association again, I 
anticipate it will create a division in that 
body, amounting to non-fellowship; for 
which God is not the author of confusion, 
but of peace; neither do I think that God 
unites his children together in love, and 
then sends that among them to cause divi- 
sions. I intend in a short time to give you 
my views on some certain principles. I 
rejoice that we live in a land of freedom, 
where we can worship in lhat way that the 
Spirit leaches us through the instrumental-" 
ity of the word. When I receive tho Pri- 
mitive and read of so many dear soldiers of 
the cross, contending with satan every inch 
of ground, my heart doth run out to them 
in love, that our Siviour has still a remnant 
according to the election of grace, who still 
stand on Primitive ground and are forted 
in by the word of his power. My prayer 
to God is, that he would make manifest his 
power upon earth in that way that all shall 



see eye to eye, and that all schisms, dispu- 
tations, and all manner of evil speaking 
shall be done away. 

Farewell, my brethren, may the Lord 
help you in every time of neeil, is the pray- 
er of an unworthy brother in the gospel. 


SATURDAY, JULY 13, 1839. 


Georgia, Troup county, Jane 14//t, 1839. 
Brethren Editors: I read that in old times they 
had in their harvest fields reapers & gleaners, and I 
judge that the reapers topk rows & worked in them; 
but I reckon that the gleaners picked about any 
where, just where they could find a head or handful. 
Therefore I shall come into your field as a glean- 
er, and riot confine myself to a row, but try to pick 
up a handful here and there, as I can find them; 
and thereby tell you a few things about how affairs 
are going on in this country. 

I think the Old and New School Baptists are 
nearly separated, as you see that the New School 
have declared non-fellowship against us. And 1 
will not exclaim against them as they did against 
us, for I say none of their declarations have in the 
least deprived us of the liberty of conscience; but 
I would rather that they had stated facts as they 
ore, and not have said: Set up a new standard of 
fellowship. For I well know for thirty-six years 
back, that whenever a church found out that any 
of her members were practising any thing in a re- 
ligious way, that had not a thus saith the Lord 
for it, and they would not turn away from it, they 
■were excluded from the church. Now we decla- 
red non-fellowship against them, because they 
have no scripture for their practices. And 1 say 
It, (Nehemiah, or Adiel Sherwood,) did ac- 
knowledge it when he was drove to the necessity, 
to say that God never designed that every specific 
duty of man should be laid down in his word; for 
if it had been done, it would have taken him his 
lifetime to have learned it, and would never have 
had time to have performed iti Now how he 
found out the design of God further than is reveal- 
ed in his word, 1 know not; but these missionary 
folks can find out the most things that nobody 
else knows, of any kind of people that I ever 
knew i They have lately found out, that it cost a 
vast sum of money to bring the gospel to Ameri- 
ca, and that the scriptures had to be translated for 
qhat purposei And they are telling people these 
great tales, I suppose, to induce them to give into 
their plans, 

Now I know nothing about how the gospel 
came to America, only what I have gathered from 
what little history I have read; and agreeably to 
my understanding of Benedict's History of the 
Baptists, the gospel brought men herei For they 
were persecuted in other countries and fled to A- 
merica for refuge, but in some of the States they 
met with what I call cold comfort; for they were 
whipped and imprisoned, nnd that was the pay 
they got for preaching the gospel. But still they 
preached even through the iron grates of jails, and 
the Spirit of God accompanied their words, and 
by them means the Baptists multiplied in America, 
But it is found out of late years by some men, that 
the gospel cannot go without money, and men 
cannot preach without education; and from what 
the missionaries say in their writings, many souls 
may be lost for want of these requisites. But Je- 
sus says: If you believe in God, believe also in 
me. And he says: All that my father hath given 
unto me, shall come unto me. But I will own to 
my missionary friends, that there has been a vast 
amount of money paid for preaching in America, 
but I will not say for preaching the gospel. But 
there were a class of men sent to America, not by 
missionary societies, but by the authority of tho 
king of England; who received 1G,000 pounds of 
tobacco a year besides marriage fees and forty 
shillings for every funeral sermon they preached; 
and one of them in every parish, which must have 
taken a great deal of money to pay them. And it 
is my opinion, that such preaching as that will al- 
ways cost more than the preaching of the gospel. 

Now, my brethren, I want to tell you a little 
more about our missionary folks in this countryi 
For several years back in their Associations they 
have said, that supporting or not supporting the 
insiitutions should not be a bar to fellowship, and 
published it in their Minutes and also constituted 
a church on them principles, But now you see 
that they have changed their sentiment, although 
they would not change the negro's half dollar 
when he agreed to put in V2$ cents, but told him 
to throw it all in and he should have his change 
after a while; but when the man returned back 
with the hat, the negro said he could not slop him 
long enough to get his change. Now, brethren, 
this was a Baptist negro that told this tale, and 
he does not live very far from me, so that he can 
be found if disputed. 

Brethren, I will stop, least I tire you, And 
may the God of alf grace be with you all, &c. 

I subscribe myself yours in tribulation. 


Buncombe county, No. Ca. June 15, 1839. 
Dear brethren Epitors; Being requested by 
my brethren in thi3 country to show my name ia 



the Primitive Baptist papers, as I am the only 

they well knew I ever opposed, and they tin 

preacher in those parts that hold with a final sepa- 
ration between the Old School Baptists and New 
Sceool, I now drop you a few lines for publication 
if you see proper. 

In the first place we have a great many who 
Call themselves Baptists, and say they are oppo- 
sed to the missionary schemes as much as I am, 
and at the same lime invite them to preach in 
their meeting: notifies, and also invite them to the 
sacrament table with them, and also receive them 
into their Association in full fellowship. And 
now, brethren, I want to know what kind of Bap- 
tists you would call such people as those; or has 
the devil with his untempered mortar stopped up 
both their eyes and ears, so that they can neither 
see nor hear] 

Dear brethren, it is my candid opinion that such 
professors as those are doing more harm at this 
time, that the open and profanely wicked; for the 
wicked and profane deceive no man but them-r 
selves, just as we see them so they are; while 
those others are deceiving themselves and others 
with them, all going on .together blindfolded by 
priestcrafti And without a miracle of grace, they 
will certainly plunge into the burning lake togeth- 
er; for if the blind lead the blind, both fall in the 
ditch together) 

And, dear brethren, this way people have of 
saying they believe there is. good and bad in all 
the societies, I believe it very wrong for them to 
say so; for it has opened a door from one end of 
the earth to the other, for men and devils to estab- 
lish their traditions, and try to put them on a level 
with commandments of God. And, brethren, I 
see no way to get clear of those deceivers, but to 
have all our churches separated from the Associa- 
tion entirely, for all the mischief first and fore- 
most is slipt ir. there. 

I see by reading the Primitive papers, that there 
are men to my certain knowledge that are 
strong friends to the missionaries, and are now 
signing for the Primitive Baplist papers. And, 
dear brethren, those weathercocks that can change 
and turn every way the wind blows, you know 
they are and ever have been the worst enemies to 
Christ and his church that ever were or ever will 
be on earth, and the Association is now filling up 
with such people. 1 know a church not ten miles 
from me, that was constituted seven or eight 
years ago, I being one of the presbytery that help- 
ed constitute said church; and being called on, by 
hard persuasion 1 agreed to take the pastoral care 
of said church for one year, till they could look 
out for another to fill the place in my stead; which 
they did not do, nor did not seem willing for me 
to quit them on no terms no how. So I tried the 
ehurch concerning the missionary principles, which 

church all agreed not to invite any preacher, nor 
suffer any preacher to preach in said meeting 
house without examinination, to know whether 
said preacher held missionary principles or not; 
and if said preacher held missionary principles, 
he was not to be allowed to preach in said house. 
Which rules a part of the church did violate and 
break, and invited the friends of the missionary 
over my head, asking me no favors in the matter; 
after firmly agreeing never to do soi 

Then we who held the principles above men- 
tioned, met at our meeting house and cut them off 
for disorderi Then the deserting party gathered 
and got them one of those go-betweeners, and said 
they cut us off for our disorder; and so wrote them 
a letter and went on with their delegates to theAs- 
sociation. And the Association silting in full fel- 
lowship with the missionary, readily received 
them; which 1 verily believe had the devil went 
in the shape of a man and agreed to followship, 
the missionary, they the Association would hava 
received him and called him brother. 

O that the Lord our God in his infinite mercy 
and goodness, may look on us in pity and spare 
our lost 'and ruined world a little longer, fov 
Christ's sake. 

Dear brethren, we are well pleased with our pa-s 
pers and hope lo gain more subscribers shortly. 
So no more at present, but ever a friend to the 
Primitive Baptist! ISAAC TII.LERY.. 

N. B. We, the members of Pine Creek church, 
who hold to the original rules of said church after; 
her being first constituted, which was never to, 
join the Association while the said Association 
fellowshipped the missionaries in their Associa-« 
tion, We, the said members above mentioned, 
living in Buncombe county, North Carolina, do. 
declare an unfellowship with all churches and 
members who call themselves Baptists, who will 
not publicly non-fellowship all the new schemes 
of the day, to wit, missionary and temperance so- 
cieties, Sunday school unions, theological semioa- 
ries, and all such schemes; which we believe to 
be conjured up by men and devils, for. the sake of 
making money> 

The Pine Creek church members being very 
much scattered through the mountains, for their 
convenience had two meeting houses, one on each 
side of the mountain, both kept, up in the name of 
Pine Creek church. And we that keep our first 
faith, hold the old meeting house in our posses- 
sion; and those that departed from the faith, keep, 
possession of the new meeting house. 
I am ever yours in love of the truth. 





Lexington, Oglethorpe county, 6a. } 
June \Sth, 1839. 5 
Brethren Editors: I have nothing of 
interest to write at present. Things con- 
tinue with us much as they have been for a 
considerable time past. There is no ap- 
pearance of revivals among us, but some se- 
rious difficulties among some of the breth- 
ren of our little Oconee Association. 

Dear brethren, try to pray for us that 
God may cause every thing to work toge- 
ther for good to them that love him, and 
are the Galled according to his purpose. O 
that God would give his ministers much of 
that mind that was also in our Lord Jesus 
Christ, and cause them rightly to consider 
the responsible ground they occupy; and 
may the churches of Jesus Christ keep a 
constant watch over their ministers. For, 
dear brethren, whenever ministers go out 
of the way, others will follow, and then 
for distress and division among brethren 
of churches and Associations. The Lord 
said to one of the angels of the seven chur- 
ches of Asia, repent quickly, or else I will 
remove thy candlestick out of his place, ex- 
cept thou repent. Chiefly what the Lord 
charges that angel or minister with was, 
that he had left his first love, tho' he hated 
the deeds of certain idolatrous worshippers 
which the Lord also hated; yet it was neces- 
sary for him to repent and do the first works. 
Dear brethren, let us examine ourselves 
and see if we have nothing to repent for. 
May the Lord give us repentance for all 
pur sins, and a disposition to acknowledge 
them one to another, I think is my pray- 
er. When this is the case, then brethren 
can sit together in heavenly places in Christ, 
Jesus, while the first principle (love) is ful- 
lv in exercise among the dear children of 

I am informed that the missionary chur- 
ches some of them in this country -are in 
difficulties; not with us though, for we are 
spparate from them and their monied insti- 
tutions. I should have said nothing about 
them, if they would have withheld their 
printed pamphlets from me, which they 
send without subscribing any name except 
a fictitious one, which is a plain proof of 
guilt or fear and an indisposition to come 
to the light. I say to them all as friends, 
that if they or any of them wish me to see 
their pamphlets or papers, I want them to 
assign their name to it or them plainly, so 
{.hat tjipy may be known as well as their 

writings. Though I should be very glad 
they would send me no more, without 
they could send some truth V thern. 

Dear brethren, though I am far distant 
from you, I love to hear front you and 
hope to meet you ere long where parting 
will be no more forever. Let us try to 
pray for each other to the God of Israel, 
who is present with us all in every place; 
to his glorious name be the praise both 
now and ever. Amen. 



Farmcrsville, Lowndes county, J3la».y 
June 3d, 1S39. S 
Dear Brethren: Your paper the Pri- 
mitive Baptist is read with much satisfac- 
tion by our brethren, who are of the Ohl 
School Baptist order, and despised by ou-jt 
missionary friends. They say they are- 
not fit for any Christian to read, and there^ 
fore should not be admitted into their hou.-^ 
ses. I have read many of their publi- 
cations that they have sent out to the 
world, and never been able to discover any 
thing like a spirit of grace in them; but to 
the contrary, I have seen columns filled 
with such stuff as could not be food to a 
true Christian; and thereby it was only 
calculated lo nourish none but such profes- 
sors as Cain, and all that depend on their 
own works for life and salvation, And 
from Cain down to the self-righteous 
scribes and pharisees, and even down to 
the present missionaries, who are propaga- 
ting works in the place of the doctrine of 
grace; which is forbidden in the gospel of 
Christ by St. Paul. Read Rom. 14. 6— 
Eph. 2. 8, 9— 2 Tim. 1. 9. 

Dear brethren, let us examine the scrip- 
tures a little further, if God will help us, 
and see how it is that we are jedeemed 
from sin and death, and by what authority. 
It surely is by divine authority, and not 
by the benevolence of men nor angels, as I 
can prove if you will read. John, 9. 4, 
says the great Redeemer: I must work the ; 
works of him that sent me. And particu- 
larly the faith of true believers I shall call 
the work of God. Read John 6. 29: This 
is the work of God, that ye believe on him 
whom he hath sent. The work of redemp- 
tion I shall attribute to the three persons of 
the Trinity and their acts, because they are 
of Ihe same extent; the Father loves all 
those that he gave to his Son Jesus Christ 
1 in the covenant pf redemption, and Christ 



is the Saviour of those that are loved by 
the Father, and the Spirit sanctifies those 
that are justified through the merits of 
Christ's blood. Thus there is a chain in 
salvation, the beginning is from the Fa- 
ther, the dispensation through the Son, and 
the application by the Spirit. So in look- 
ing after the comfort of election, believers 
must first look inward to the work of the 
Spirit on their hearts; then upwards to the 
everlasting love of God the Father in hea- 
ven. Read 1 Pet. 1. 2. Hence it is the 
church of God is not purchased with cor- 
ruptible things, such as silver and gold, as 
some would fain have it in these days of 
error and darkness; nor by all the newly 
invented schemes of the day, nor by their 
long prayers; and in a word, not by all 
their combined effort system: but with the 
precious blood of the Son of God. He 
came into this world and gave himself for 
many, even himself, his life, his blood, on 
the Roman cross; which was fully ade- 
quate, and full price for his elect. 1 Pet. 1. 
13. The evils which the church is re- 
deemed from are, the curse of the law, sin 
and satan, the world, death and hell. 

So, my brethren, you can plainly sec, 
you that have long endured war, and had 
many hard struggles for your divine mas- 
ter's cause, the moving cause of your salva- 
tion is the great and unchangeable love of 
the Almighty God toward you; as you can 
6ee in John, 3. 16. The great procuring 
cause is Jesus Christ. 1 Pet. 1. IS, 19. 
The end of redemption is, that the justice 
of God might be satisfied, his people re- 
conciled, adopted, snnetified, and brought 
home to everlasting happiness. This plan 
is agreeable to all the perfection of the di- 
vine being. What the creature never 
could attain to, is brought to bear in the 
person of Jesus Christ, and is entirely of 
free grace; it is also special and complete 
and eternal as to its blessings. Says one, 
you have trimmed too close to Antinomi- 
ariism for me; I can point you to one or 
two passages of scripture that will prove 
that you are mistaken, or St. Paul would 
not have said to his brethren at Corinth: 
Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or 
whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of 
God. And again, the same apostle tells 
his Ephesian brethren, that they are his 
workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto 
good works. In answer to the above quo- 
tations, I shall proceed to give my views, 
predicated upon the principle of free and 
electing grace. What arc we to under- 

stand by good works? for on this point the 
objection is made, for the apostle had no 
allusion to any other kind of works than 
the fruits of that faith that was given to his 
people, that is, Christ's people, in Christ 
from before the foundation of the world. 
All gospel duties, inward and outward, as 
well thoughts as words and actions towards 
God, and proceeding from a pure heart and 
a faith unfeigned, and are referred to God's 
glory; for it is necessary that good works 
proceed from right principles, and have 
right motives and ends; namel} 7 , a princi- 
ple of love to God, to obey and keep his 
commandments, and the glory o* God as 
the chief end. It is said again in James, 
2. 24: Ye see then how that by works a 
man is justified. The apostle then does 
not treat of our justification in the sight of 
God ; but of the justification of our faith in 
the sight of the world of mankind, and 
therefore asserts that justification is by 
works. Again, verse the 18th: I will 
show thee my faith by my works. For 
works justify our faith, and declare us to 
be justified before men who can never see 
nor know our faith but by our works. 

St. Paul in his letters to the Roman and 
Galatian brethren, asserts by many strong 
arguments our justification by faith, that 
receives and relies upon the righteousness 
of Christ, that is, his obedience and suffer- 
ings. See Rom. 3. 24 — 2S. And surely, 
the apostles being all inspired by the same 
spirit, could not be supposed to contradict 
one another. Man is therefore depraved, 
and weakened with original sin he is not 
able to fulfil the law, and cannot be justi- 
fied or accepted before God on account of 
his works. For therefore, by the deeds 
of the law there shall no flesh be justified 
in his sight, for by the law is the know- 
ledge- of sin. And again, Gal. 2. 16th: 
Knowing that man is not justified by the 
works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus 
Christ, even we have believed in Jesus 
Christ that we might be justified by the 
faith of Christ, and not by the works of the 
law shall no flesh be justified. So Christ's 
righteousness is the sole meritorious cause 
of our justification, and those that are justi- 
fied are sanctified and will be careful to 
maintain good works: For without holi- 
ness it is impossible for any man to see the 
Lord. Read Heb. 12. 14. Christ's righ- 
teousness is the cause of our justification 
and is received by faith, and imputed to all 
true believers in him; which is the causa 
of their justification, and gives them a gra- 



cioiis title to heaven and eternal happiness. 
And has this redeemed, justified, and sanc- 
tified people always been known to God as 
his children? They were known in the 
covenant of redemption, and therefore God 
predetermined to call them, and justily, 
sanctify and glorify them. Read Rom. 8. 
30. And were these chosen people as bad 
sinners as the non-elect? Equally so. 
Dead in trespasses and sins. Eph. 2. 1 — 
Col. 2. 13. A number of other passages 
of scripture might be produced to prove 
the spiritual death of them; they are not 
born with grace in their hearts, as some 
men have it; but to the contrary, they are 
dead to all spiritual knowledge, being void 
of grace, lying under the power of sin and 
entirely unable to do any thing that is spi- 
ritually good, or to convert themselves or 
the world by any and every thing that they 
can do, either by acts of benevolence or 
any thing they can do, as it would be for a 
dead body to quicken itself and arise from 
the dead. If they are so dead, how are 
they to be made alive? God quickens and 
makes alive the dead faculties of their 
souls, Rom. 4. 17, and calls them by the 
mighty power of his Spirit, which he sent 
into their hearts; which effects that great 
and glorious change from nature to grace. 
Thereby the Spirit of God convinces ihem 
of sin and misery, enlightens their minds 
with the knowledge of Christ; the Spirit of 
God also renews their will, the spirit of 
grace doth persuade them and enable them 
to embrace Jesus Christ and his righteous- 
ness, freely offered to them in his gospel, 
and brings them from darkness, sin and 
death, into a stale of life and liberty. God 
makes them heirs, and joint heirs with his 
Son Jesus Christ; and freely gives them 
all things in heaven and in earth, and God 
will be glorified in this present world and 
in the world to conie, in the salvation of 
his people. 

I shall here adopt, in conclusion, the 
language of St. Paul in his letter to his Ro- 
man brethren, in the Sth chap. 35, 3S and 
39 verses: Who then shall separate us 
from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, 
or distress, or persecution, or famine, or 
nakedness, or peril, or sword? 38. I am 
persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor 
angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor 
things present, nor things to come. 39. 
Nor height nor depth, nor any other crea- 
ture, shall be able to separate us from the 
love of God which is in Christ Jesus our 
Lord, 37. Nay, in all these things we 

are more than conquerors, through him 
that loved us. 

So I must conclude by subscribing my- 
self your affectionate brother until dealh. 


Georgia, Butts county, ~) 
2nd June, 1839. $ 
Dear brethren Editors: I have ta- 
ken the present opportunity to let you all 
know, how matters of religion are going on 
in our part of the country. There are va- 
rious sorts of religion in our country, and 
I do not wonder at any and every person 
getting religion, for they can have any 
sort they choose, as brother Thomas Trice 
said in the Primitive, No. 7, vol. 4th, page 
109, from the real old hard shell down to 
no shell at all. 

The Primitive Baptists in this part of 
God's moral vineyard, seem to be united 
in love one towards'another; they seem to 
meet in peace, and part in peace, and when 
they meet in prayers, those prayers seem 
as though they were the voice of one man, 
ascending to God perfumed with the blood 
of Jesus Christ. 1 went to the Union meet- 
ing in the 4th district of the Towali^a Pri- 
mitive Baptist Association, held at Walnut 
Creek meeting house, commencing on Fri- 
day before the fifth Sabbath in March last; 
and 1 can say with one of old, that the chil- 
dren of God seemed to sing and pray and 
preach with the spirit and understanding 
also. The children of God seemed to be 
earnestly engaged for the prosperity of Zi- 
on and the good of souls; their religious 
devotion seemed to be of the same. 

There is a sort of Baptists in our country, 
who seem to be very great advocates for the 
liberty of conscience; and they think that 
every bodv ought to be allowed the privi- 
lege of worshipping God as they please. 
And so say 1 loo, but at the same time we find 
a principle in some of those individuals to 
deprive some people of those privileges; 
for when I was at the above named Union, 
meeting, there was a letter of dismission 
from one of those new fashioned churches, 
which was handed in here; and which 
brethren, goes to not allow the privilege 
that they say they advocate. For in 
this letter they seem to blend both religious 
and political notions together; and I would 
to God, that the religious denomination 
would let the religion of Jesus Christ rest, 
upon the foundation which he Christ laiU 



in Zioii, For he Christ says, on (his 
rock I will build my church, and the gate? 
of hell shall not prevail against it. And 
as for the liberty that each and every body 
is entitled to from tbe constitution of our 
country, that it could rest upon that plat- 
form also, and that ench and every body 
that is in possession of a principle of trying 
1o snp the foundation by having an estab- 
lished law religion, be ashamed at the 
thought of their fore parents who fought, 
bled and fell in the conflict. JViay they 
blush at such an ideaand quitil, is my pray- 
er for Christ's sake. 

Brethren, I will give 3-011 a copy of the 
letter that I referred to above, for publica- 

Georgia, Henry County. 

This is to certify, that sister Milly Win- 
kle is hereby dismissed from us in full 
fellowship to join any other church of the 
same faith and order, holding of the Flint 
River Association, and the order of the lib- 
erty of conscience and republicism, as 
long as our members are orthodox and or- 

Done by order of the church at Kamnh, 
in conference, this 27th January, 1S39. 

Signed, Samuel Tcrrel, Clk, pro. tern. 

Brethren, I jvill come to a close by sub- 
scribing myself your unworthy brother, 

us here, and I believe will be considerable?. 
I do not agree with the missionary prin- 
ciplesor projects, if you choose, and for 
that cause 1 am of opinion they will perse- 
cute me; I therefore wish to become a sub'^ 
scriber to this valuable cause; It may be 
that I shall get more subscribers. I wish 
success to the true gospel of Christ. 



Barbour county, Alabama, ~) 
June <6th, 1839. > 
Dear Brethren: In perusing your pa- 
der called the "Primitive Baptist," some 
few days since, I considered myself inex- 
cusable if I did not aid the good cause 
which you so ably advocated; therefore, I 
request you will forward to me by mail 
six copies of your truly valuable paper, and 
on tbe receipt of the first number, the 
amount for those six copies shall be remit- 
ted to you. Wishing you all success in 
the cause of all good causes, and believe 
me dear brethren, I am your's for Christ's 


Marion, Twiggs county, Ga. } 
June nth, lt<39. 5 
Dear Brethren: I have discovered 
this morning a paper printed in Tarborough, 
jnN. Carolina, called the Primitive Bap- 
tist. There is no little division among 

Lowsville, Madison county, Ala. 
Wth June, 1839. 
Dear Brethren: By request of some 
of tbe brethren, I again take my pen in 
hand to write to you, as there is no agent 
near this place. There are some breth- 
ren that want to continue their papers in 
this neighbourhood. 1 shall still continue 
to write on to you, if the brethren request 
it. Arid may the God of love direct yoii 
in all truth as it is in Christ Jesus. I 
remain yours* with respect. 



Georgia, Wilkinson county, ) 
June 6lh, 1839. 3 

Dear brethren Editors: I have just 
received your papers, and feel very happy 
that we have such papers to read, that we 
can hear from yon and you from us. 

Dear brethren, some of the new money 
beggars say, that they like to hear me 
preach, and that I must be part missionarj'. 
Bt>t I now inform you, that 1 am no part of 
the new order of the day ; no, nor never 
have been, nor never expect to be. Some 
of the sons of the devil prophecied some 
time back, that before one year had foiled 
round I would be a missionary. But the 
3'ear is gone and I have found them liars* 
and that makes me think that they are of 
the devil; for if they had been of God$ 
they would have told the truth. Yours ill 

Tennessee, Blount county, > 
June Slh, 1839. 3 

Dear brethren Editors: I take the 
oppoortunity to inform you that, the 
Old School Baptists seem to be gain- 
ing ground in this county. A good many 
have quit the missionary churches and 
joined the Old School Baptists. May 
the Lord grant that his people may all 
come out from among them, that they 
may not be partakers of their evil deeds. 

No more at present, but remain your 



affectionate brother in the Lord. 


Henry county, Virginia, 
June ISM, 1S39. 
Dear Brethren' 1 have at this time' 
an opportunity of writing you a few lines. 
J rejoice tliat 1 have so valuable a paper to 
read as that of the Primitive, in which 
truth is advocated and error exposed. 
I have prepared several pieces for publica- 
tion) but have failed to send them. 
I am yours most respectfully. 


truths of the gospel and sends it forth with- 
out going and carrying it; believing thus, 
I will use all my influence in spreading the 
Primitive Baptist. Yours in gospel bonds. 

Georgia, Stewart county , 
May 13th, IS39. 
Brethren Editors: At a meeting of 
a number of brethren from several church- 
es, who had withdrawn from the Bethel 
and Columbus Associations, inconsequence 
of the institutions of the day prevailing in 
their bodies, held at Slaughter Creek 
church, Stewart county;, on Saturday the 

North Carolina, Nash county, 
June 2!), fS39, 
Brethren Editors: 1 have received 
several of ) our pbpers^ the Primitive Bap- 
tist. I have nothing of importance to 
write, only I hear abundance of good news 
from the different parts of the country, 
from those who are contending for the 
faith once deliverd to the saints. Nothing 
more at present. . Yours with respect until 


For the primitive baptist* 

North Carolina. — .1. Biggs, Sen. Williamston 

R. M. G. Moore, Germanfon. W. W. Mizell, Ply- 

mouth. Jacob Swindell, Washington, James Sou- 

therland, Warrenton. Alfred Partin, Raleigh. 
8th inst. for thepurposeof taking into con- i Charles Mason, Roxhoro'. James Wilder, An- 

sideralion the propriety of constilu 
ting a new Association upon the prin- 

dcrson's Slore.^ Benj. Bynum, Speight's Bridge. IT. 
Avera, Averasboro' . Parham Pucket, Richlands. 
John H. Keneday, Chalk Level. Burwell Tem- 

ciple of the Primitive Baptists, it was j p] e , Wake county. Obadiah Sowell, Rogers'' P. 0, 
unanimously agreed that I communicate to j Geo. W. McNeely, Lmk&ville. Wijn H. Vanm 
you the following appointment for publica- j Lm S Creek Bridge. Thomas Bagley, Smithfeld 

you the loliowing appointment tor p 
tionin the Primitive; which you will please 
give a place as early as possible, and make 
it a standing article for three or four num- 
bers. Yours as ever. 


A meeting will be held at Antioch 
church, Stewart county, on Friday before 
the 4th Sunday in October next, for the 
purpose of constituting an Association up- 
on the principles of the Primitive Baptists. 
Therelore, as many churches as wish to 
unite in a union of that kind, will please 
represent themselves by letter and delegates 
for that purpose;and our ministering breth- 
ren are earnestly requested to co-operate 
with us in said constitution. 


Alabama, Dallas conniy, > 
May nth, 1S39. 5 
DeAr Brethren: I send a few lines 
for the purpose of obtaining one of your 
papers for a new subscriber, and to have all 
the papers that 1 have become agent for, 
still continued. 

I hope that your paper may still continue 
to spread, as I believe it contains the 

Stephen Rogers, Holly Spring. James H. Sasser, 
Waynesboro' . John fruit, Sandy Creek. L. B; 
Bennett, Heathvillc. William J. Roberts, Buffalo 
Hill. Alfred Ellis, Strabane, Cor's Canaday, 
Carteret tsvi lie. William Welch, Abbott's Creeki 
J. Lamb, Camden C. IT. Allen Taylor, Jun. 
Rocky Mount. Ai B. Bains, Jr. Stanhope. C.T* 
Sawyer, Powell's Point. Isaac Til lery, Lapland. 
South Carolina. — Wm» Hardy, Saludu Willi 
James Hembree, Sen. Anderson .C. H. Charles 
Carter, Cambridge. B. Lawrence, Effingham, 
James Burris, Sen. Bold Spring. William S* 
Shaw, Rock Mills. Levi Lee, Blackville. An- 
drew Westmoreland, Cashville. J)imes J. Kirk- 
land, Four Mile Branch. Ransom Hamilton, Ai- 

Georgia. — William Moseley, Bear Creek. Al- 
len Cleveland, McDonough. John McKenney, For- 
syth. Anthony Holloway, Lagrange. P. M. Cal- 
houn, Knoxville. J. M. Rockmore, Mountain Creek* 
R. Reese, Ealonlon. Thomas Amis and David 
W. Patman, Lexington. Jonathan Neel, Macon. 
Charles P. Hansford, Union Hill. Jphn W.Tur- 
ner, Pleasant Hill. Joshua Bowdoin, Adairsville, 
R. Toler, Upatoie. Clark Jackson, Fort Gaines. 
John Gayden, Franklin. P. IT. Edwards, George- 
town. W m.'Vrice, Tiiomasfon. Wm.Bowden,#Mt<?w. 
Valley. Ezra UcCrary, Warrenton. Wiley Pearce, 
Cairo. G. W.Holirleld, Vernon. H.Vace.CleanTotoa. 
Lewis Peacock, Cassville. Vachal D. Whatley, 
Barnesville. Alex. Garden and Thomas C. Trice, 
Mount Morne. Elias 0. Hawthorn, Bainbridge. 
J. G. Wintringham, Halloca. William M. 
Amos, Greenville. Randolph Arnold, Lati- 
mer's Store. Thomas J, Bazemore, Clinton. 



•fosiiah Stovall, Aquilla. Q. P. Caunon, Culloden- 
vi/lc. Jason Grier, Indian Springs. William 
McElvy, Attapulgus. Furna Ivey, Mdledgeville. 
William Garrett, Cotton River, Jesse Moore, 
Irtvinton. Leonard Pratt, Whilesville. Thomas 
A. Sullivan, Decatur. Thomas J. Johnson, New- 
nan. Israel Hendon, Shi\o. Robert B. Mann, 
Chesnut Grove. Wm. Tippit, Cedar Branch. A.G. 
Simmons, Hickory Grove, John Lawholt, Chenuba. 
John Herington, Welborn's Milk, John McCorquo- 
dale, Par-chitala. James P. Ellis, PineviWe, Shu- 
mate J. Sloan, Chesnut Hill. French Hagcrard, 
Athens. Henry Barron, Jackson, John Murray, 
Fort Valley, Josiah Gresham, Uloy. Daniel O'- 
Neel, Foivlton. John Applewhite, Waynesboro^ ', 
J. B. Morgan, Friendship, Samuel Williams, 
Fair Play, John Wayne, Cain's, Edmund 
Stewart, Hootensville. R, S. Hamrick, Canollton. 
AbnerTison and David Smith, Cool Spring, Al- 
lison Speary/Ya/ Shoals, Moses Daniel, Bowery, 
Moses H. Denman, Marietta. 

Alabama. — L. B. Mosely, Cahawba, A. Kea- 
ton, McConico. John Blackstone, La Fayette. W. 
W. Carlisle, Fredonia. Henry Dance, Daniel's 
Prairie. Wm. W. Walker, Liberty Hill. Dan'l 
Gafford, Greenville. Samuel Moore, Snow Hill. 
John G.Walker, Milton. Henry Williams, Ha- 
vana. Samuel Clay, Mount Hebron. John F. Lo- 
vett, Claiborne, Elias Daniel, Church Hill. 
John Bonds, Clinton, David Johnston, Leighton. 
Adam McCreary, Brooklyn, Josiefh Jones, Jack- 
son. David Jacks, New Market. Sherrod W. 
Harris, Vienna. John McQueen, Graves' Ferry. 
William Talley, Mount Moriah, Graddy Her- 
ring, Claytop. G.W.Jeter, Pint Lala, Samuel 
C.Johnson, Ph.asant Grove. William Crutcher, 
Huntsville. V\ illiam Hi Cook, Pickensville. 
Seaborn Hamrick, Plantersville. William Mel- 
ton, Bluff Port. James S. Morgan, Dayton. Wm. 
Hyde, Gainesville, Rufus Daniel, Jameston, An- 
derson W. Bullard, Tusgegee. Frederick Hines, 
Gastom Z. Johns, Tiara, Eli McDonald, Pains- 
ville. A. Mitchell, Carter's Hill. William Pow- 
ell, YoungsviWe. James Hay, Wacooca, Silas 
Monk, Horse Shoe Bend, R. Lackey, Scraper. 
James F. Watson, Abbeville, David Tread well 
and R.W. Carlisle, Mount Hickory . Allen Knight, 
Argus, Joseph H. Holloway, Haz\e Green, Luke 
R. Simmons, Troy. Jesse Lee, Farmersville, 
William S. Armstrong, Louisville. Mark Porter, 
Demopolis, Henry Adams, Mount Willing. Joel 
Hi Chambless, Lowsvillc. Elliot Thomas, Wil- 

Tennessee. — A. V. Farmer, Blair's Ferry. M. 
H. Sellers, Ten Mile. Wm . Patrick, Poplar Corner. 
Mich'l Burkhalter, Cheeksville, Tho's K. Clingan, 
Smith's X Roads. W.E.Pope, Philadelphia. Aaron 
Compton, Somerville. Charles Henderson, Emery 
Iron Works. Asa Newport, Meesville. James 
Maulden, Van Buren. A. Burroughs, Wesley. Wm. 
Croom, Jackson. Daniel Briggs, Decatur. Clem- 
mons Sanders, Mount Vernon. Daniel Webb, 
Lexington. Sion Bass, Three For/cs. John W . 
Springer, Sugar Creek. Smith Hansbrough,/ac/;« 
Creek, William Si Smith, Winchester. Isham 
Simmons, Calhoun. Thomas Hill, Sevierville. 
Ira E. Doulhit, Lynchburg, C.T. Echols, Mifflin. 
Aaron Tison, Medon. Levi Kirkland, Waver/y. 
Abner Steed, Fayctteville, Henry Randolph, 
Snodysvillc. Pleasant E. Witt, Cheek's X Roads. 
J i Cooper, Uiiionvilk. George Turner, Waver/y, 

Michael Branson, Long Savannah. Jasi H. HoN 
loway, Hazel Green, William McBee, Old Tvwn 

Mississippi. — Jesse Battle, Meridian Springs. 
Richmond Baines, Dailville. Worsham Mann, 
Columbus. Silas Dobbs, Brooklyn. Henry Pet- 
ty, Zion. William Huddleston, Thomaston. Na- 
than Tims, Kosciusko, Jonathan D. Cain, Wa- 
tcrford. Nathan Morris, Lexington. Charles 
Hodges, Cotton Gin Port. 

Florida. — James Alderman, China Grove, Da- 
vid Callaway, Cherry Lake. 

Louisiana. — Peter Bankston, Marburyville. — 
Thomas Paxton, Greensboro'. Uriah Stevens, 
Pine Grove. 

Missouri. — Calvin Newport, Springfield. Joel 
Ferguson, Jackson. 

Illinois. — Richard M. Newport, Grand View, 
James Marshall, A Salem. 

Indiana. — Peter Saltzman, New Harmony. I- 
saac Wi Denman, Gallatin, Zachariah McClure, 
Terre Haute. 

Ohio. — Joseph H. Flint, Hamilton. R. A. Mor- 
ton, Fulton. John B. Moses, German/on, 

Kentucky. — Jona. H. Parker, Salem. Levi B. 
Hunt, Manchester. 

Virginia. — Kemuel C. Gilbert, Sydnorsville 
Rudolph Rorer, Berger's Store. John Clark, Fre. 
dericksburg. E. Harrison, HeningsviWe. Wm. 
W. West, Dumfries. William Burns, Halifax 
C, II, George W. Sanford, Harrisonburg. Jes- 
se Lankford, Bowers's, Elijah Hansbrough, So- 
merviWe. Wilson Davenport, White House, 

Dis. Columbia. — Gilbert Beebe, Alexandria. 

Pennsylvania. — Hezekiah West, South Hill. 
Joseph Hughes, Gum Tree. Nathan Everitt, 
Chillicoats Town, 

•Wisconsin Ter. — M. W. Darnall, B\ue River. 


Sion Bass, $7 

John J. Good, 1 

John W. Turner, 2 
Wm. Hendrickson, 1 
Wm. Grubbs, 1 

Sam'l W. Hearn, 1 
Benj. Lloyd, 1 

A. Holloway, 10 
Levi Lee, 5 

C. J. Branch, 1 

Luke R. Simmons, 5 



David Smith, 
Peter Jones, 
Jesse Lee, 
John S. Keith, 
Joel H. Chambless, 2 
D. W. Patman, 5 
Jos. H. Eanes, 10 
Wm. McElvy, 1 
Ransom Hamilton, 5 


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VOL. 4. 

SATURDAY, JULY 27, 1839, 

No. 14. 



Removed from Pine Grove to Greens- ~) 
boro\ St. Helena Parish, La. > 

April 13th, 1S39. ) 
Dear brethren Editors: It seems I 
rnust not only attend to the creature, but 
also to then*'?./; creature. Be it so. lac- 
knowledge the obligation. The subject 
^'creature" not only pre-supposes a creator, 
but an original production from nothing. 
Although from the latitude which language 
sometimes takes the word create, is some- 
times substituted by the phrase "to make," 
and vice versa; yet the two ideas are Very 
distinct and easily to be conceived. Thus 
on God's fifth day of labor, (Gen. 1. 21.) 
it is said he created great whales, when it 
is clear, that he only made or formed them; 
for he had already created the materials of 
which he made them. See the first sen- 
tence of all scripture, Gen 1. 1: "In the 
beginning God created the heaven and 
the earth." His other works therefore, 
consisted not in creating, but in making, 
and on the sixth day, he made, (not crea- 
ted) man out of the earth, which was al- 
ready created. "His works" therefore, 
•'were finished from the foundation of the 
world." Heb. 3. 4. And we know, that 
"all his works are perfect." "He spake, 
and they stand fast forever." He has in- 
deed promised to create again, when he 
will produce a new heaven and a new 
earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness; but 
he has not yet done so, and the reason that 
he has not, Peter gives in his last chapter, 
while stopping the mouths of the mockers of 
our day, "Where is the promise of his com- 
ing to do this great thing? Verse 9th ; 

" The Lord is not slack concerning his 
promise as some men cotint slackness; 
but is long suffering to vs-ivard not will- 
ing that any (of us) should perish, but 
that all (of us who are predestinated)*//©*//^ 
come to repentance." Says he, "We 
count this lone; suffering salvation. As if 
he had said: Jf it were not for the elect 
which are yet to be born, and without 
whom the church cannot be perfect; thos* 
scoffers would have had their mouths stop- 
ped with a fiery indignation. 

But, my brethren, the Lord will come 
in due time and so all Israel shall be saved. 
They were in Christ before the foundation! 
of the world else they could not then, and 
there, be chosen of the Father. See, Eph. 
1. 4. 1 shall therefore support the follow- 
ing proposition: "That God has never crea- 
ted any thing, neworold, since he made 
Adam, "For we are his workmanship 
created in Christ Jesus unto good works 
which God hath before ordained that we 
should walk in them. If God had crea- 
ted us anew, as some falsely quote this 
passage, the Holy Ghost would, most un- 
doubtedly, have so spoken it; but such an 
idea cannot be found in scripture. Well, 
but when were we created in Christ Jesus? 
I answer, it must be previous, or at the time 
when the Father chose us in him. For no 
man in his senses, can conceive any thing as 
a subject of choice that had no existence any 
where: And it is fully as easy to conceive 
them then, some how, in Christ Jesus, as to 
conceive that now, "we are dead and our 
lives hid with Christ in God." There is "a 
plain parallel text in Rom. 9. 23: "That 
he might make known the riches of his glo- 
ry on the vessels of mercy which he had 
afore prepared unto glory." This passage 
of scripture the Holy Spirit introduces to 
show the reason why "God had mercy on 



•whom ho would have mercy. I appeal to 
the context, wherein the apostle upon the 
subject of God's purpose in election, see- 
med to represent God as unrighteous, by 
choosing some and leaving others that were 
equally near to him. If this were a fact, 
it would have been out of the power of the 
apostle or of any one else, to clear God of 
Unrighteousness according to all human 
conception. But the apostle has fully 
cleared up the whole matter by declaring 
that those whom he chooses, arc afore pre- 
pnred; and those whom he hardeneth, were 
before filled to destruction. Is there there- 
fore unrighteousness with God beeause he 
-will save his own children, and refuse bas- 
tards? I agree that the word children does 
Slbt so fully belong to God's people until it 
is completed by faith in Christ Jesus, but 
they were before his, by creation in Christ 
Jesus. This is my subject and 1 think it 
fully appears to be established. 

I think I hear one crying out, "This 
Seems to smell of the doctrine of the tioo 
seeds. 1 " My dear brethren, I cannot help 
what it smells like, but there is one thing 
1 can & will do, that is, to advance nothing 
\vithout a "thus saith the Lord." I am as 
certain that prejudices abound* as I am that 
*'in many things, we offend all." And that 
"the spirit that is in